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[00:00:30] Good morning, you're watching Pakistan TV live from
[00:00:34] of of Islamabad studios, I am Ali ahmed and here are the top stories making the
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[00:00:53] of a Asper the advice
[00:00:54] of the Prime Minister Shabaz Sharif,
[00:00:58] President Asif Ali. imposes emergency
[00:01:01] in khibar Pakhton kwah under articles 232 and
[00:01:05] 234
[00:01:06] of the constitution of Pakistan after citing the gravity
[00:01:09] of the
[00:01:09] situation.
[00:01:15] The government defends the imposition
[00:01:17] of of emergency in Khabar Pakhtunkwaa as a constitutional measure amed
[00:01:21] rising terrorism and forms an 11 member advisory council to
[00:01:25] oversee the key provincial
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[00:01:31] Governor Faisal Kareem Kundi chairs the first meeting
[00:01:34] of the newly
[00:01:35] of constituted KP advisory Council by zero tolerance for the corruption
[00:01:39] prioritizes peace, good governance and effective utilization
[00:01:42] of the mineral
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[00:01:49] At least 12 people have been killed and 309 oters
[00:01:53] wounded in attack on king Khalid international airport prompting
[00:01:57] authorities to suspend operations.
[00:02:02] of Prime Minister Shahbas Sharif strongly condemns the hoosi
[00:02:05] militiaus attack on King Khalid international airport
[00:02:09] reaffirming Pakistan's unbavoring solidarity with the kingdom of
[00:02:12] Saudi Arabia, its leadership and brotherly people saying that Pakistan will
[00:02:16] stand shoulder to shoulder with the kingdom in every time of
[00:02:22] of trial. The
[00:02:25] European Union's talks with the Afghan Taliban faces
[00:02:29] criticism. with the concerns that migration priorities over
[00:02:33] shadow counter terrorism, girls education and women's
[00:02:36] rights and terrorist
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[00:02:39] Afghanistan.
[00:02:44] US president Trump says that Russian Ukraine agreed to
[00:02:47] immediate energy cease fire, urging both sides to
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[00:03:01] flash floods destroy homes and bridges in central Nepal, 49
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[00:03:14] Pakistan beach Sri Lanka by 82 runs in the second T20 International at
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[00:04:30] Pakistan faces evolving security threat as militant groups increasingly
[00:04:34] return to modern technology to challenge the state from
[00:04:37] explosive laden commercial drones used by tarike
[00:04:41] Taliban Pakistan to reported cross uh
[00:04:44] border drone insertions involving Afghan
[00:04:48] Taliban forces, the changing
[00:04:50] of nature of warfare is raising serious concerns for
[00:04:53] Pakistan's national security. Islamabad is repeatedly emphasized the
[00:04:57] Afghan Taliban uh of accused of course
[00:05:01] with proof of providing Afghan Taliban
[00:05:04] sanctuaries to the TTP. Meanwhile Pakistan is
[00:05:08] strengthening its counter drone capabilities in pursuing operation.
[00:05:13] against militant networks across Khaiba and
[00:05:16] Balochistan. The challenge is not just intercepting
[00:05:20] drones, but dismantling the networks that finance,
[00:05:24] supply and deploy them. Meanwhile, in India, Prime Minister
[00:05:27] Narendra Modi's government faces mounting questions over its
[00:05:31] commitment to democratic democratic freedoms, the detention of
[00:05:35] protesters and journalists in New Delhi, restrictions on
[00:05:39] demonstrations and allegations of large scale voter.
[00:05:42] exclusion have intensified scrutiny the country's
[00:05:46] electoral institutions. Opposition parties accuse the
[00:05:50] authorities of undermining the public's right to political
[00:05:53] representation, while the BJP and election commission deny
[00:05:57] manipulating electoral roles. Of course, with Rahul Gandhi
[00:06:01] backing the protest protests and the UN human rights
[00:06:04] office raising concerns over arbitrary
[00:06:07] detentions. The controversy presents a serious
[00:06:11] challenge to Modi's. government, can a government
[00:06:14] claim democratic legitimacy while facing growing
[00:06:18] questions about electoral transparency, freedom
[00:06:22] of expression and the right to peaceful
[00:06:25] descent? tonight on perspective examine the modi government's
[00:06:29] handling these protests, of course the controversy surrounding
[00:06:33] vote of registration and the widening debate over
[00:06:37] constitutional rights in India. we have with us Richard
[00:06:40] Levi, former bureau chief. the Washington Post joining us,
[00:06:44] a little later, a little later on we'll have other guests during the course the
[00:06:48] program. Thank you for joining us. Richard,
[00:06:52] as far as the TTP, Afghan Nexus is
[00:06:55] concerned, when we look at what's happening, of course, the
[00:06:59] TTP has expanded its operational capabilities,
[00:07:02] intensified attacks inside Pakistan. Given your
[00:07:06] experience of covering the Afghan war and the
[00:07:10] TTP insurgency. How would you assess the
[00:07:13] relationship between TDK Taliban Pakistan
[00:07:17] and the Afghan Taliban today? Is it
[00:07:21] primarily an ideological alliance, a
[00:07:25] strategic partnership or has the TTP also become
[00:07:28] a source of regional pressure against
[00:07:32] Pakistan?
[00:07:35] first let me sayid, I appreciate the opportunity to
[00:07:39] talk again on Pakistan TV and and your
[00:07:42] questions are right spot on, it may the answer
[00:07:46] may be all three. um, proxy wars
[00:07:50] have to be funded, supplied and
[00:07:54] maintained by an opposing
[00:07:57] force that wants to allie with the proxies. in this case, the
[00:08:01] proxies are the TTP, in this case it's
[00:08:05] a pretty good bet that the supporters are the Afghan
[00:08:09] taliban. um, these wars... are
[00:08:13] not unknown throughout the world, of course, um, and
[00:08:17] eliminated, eliminating insurgency is
[00:08:20] tough work for a standing
[00:08:23] army. um, up until very recently, the
[00:08:27] TTP had no air, air force. it does
[00:08:30] now, it has drones, called
[00:08:34] often the poor man's air force,
[00:08:38] which are able to hammer sites in
[00:08:41] Pakistan. um, it has clearly some
[00:08:45] sort of support network supplying the drones
[00:08:48] and it has
[00:08:50] purely not just
[00:08:53] purely ideological reason to support the
[00:08:57] TTP, but a political reason
[00:09:01] that extends, I
[00:09:02] think,
[00:09:05] to a continuing conflict between
[00:09:09] the two, the two states, Afghanistan and...
[00:09:14] when we look at you know the evolution of TTP
[00:09:18] capabilities, of course it seems that they've moved beyond conventional
[00:09:22] ambushes, suicide bombings, bombings and
[00:09:25] improvised explosive devices to of course you
[00:09:28] increasingly sophisticated attacks including drone
[00:09:32] use, surveillance and coordinated
[00:09:34] attacks. what what and who has driven this
[00:09:38] evolution in your opinion and to what extent?
[00:09:42] does it reflect the group's own adaptation in terms of
[00:09:46] of course their battle field experience, access to
[00:09:49] expertise, from other militant networks, what what
[00:09:53] is this evolution about and what has given rise to
[00:09:56] it? well, pakistan right now is
[00:10:00] dealing with
[00:10:00] what i call feast of snakes, there are militant
[00:10:04] groups obviously out of
[00:10:06] baluchistan, and there are other militant
[00:10:10] groups, possibly...
[00:10:25] has any eyes on Pakistan, I'm sorry, eyes on
[00:10:28] Afghanistan, the um intelligence
[00:10:31] services have been withdrawn,
[00:10:35] before, as you know, the intelligence services of
[00:10:38] CIA and the US Air Force in conjunction
[00:10:42] were able to have drone strikes their
[00:10:46] own against the terrorist networks in
[00:10:50] Pakistan and help diminish their role uh
[00:10:53] that "air power isn't any
[00:10:57] longer available,
[00:11:00] and also the intelligence gathering, I
[00:11:04] believe the number of actual
[00:11:07] militants in Afghanistan is estimated to be
[00:11:11] 9,00, and obviously that's
[00:11:14] sizable force for to operate within
[00:11:18] a another country,
[00:11:21] the goal then of..."
[00:11:25] I think should be continuing
[00:11:29] to vitiate or eliminate this
[00:11:32] force, easier said than done,
[00:11:35] however, especially when it appears
[00:11:39] the EU has some interest in engaging the Taliban
[00:11:43] regime, which I know has gotten coverage
[00:11:47] there, because
[00:11:50] to stop you right there, when we look at the drone warfare and
[00:11:54] access to... this kind of drone drone technology or
[00:11:58] you know Pakistan of course has reported militant you
[00:12:01] know the the militant drone attacks, they've also
[00:12:05] reported you raised concerns about the use of commercially
[00:12:08] available cod copters I believe, and and for
[00:12:12] surveillance, offensive operations,
[00:12:16] commercially available quad copters, where might the
[00:12:19] TTB be obtaining this kind of
[00:12:23] sophisticated. technology and and obtaining
[00:12:27] its drones, comp you, components, technical
[00:12:30] expertise, because what is this development
[00:12:33] reveal about the accessibility of this
[00:12:37] kind of technology you know to to militant groups and of
[00:12:41] course then obviously the challenges it creates for
[00:12:44] Pakistan, well a
[00:12:47] quadcopter probably costs in the vicinity of
[00:12:51] $2,500 us. um
[00:12:55] they can be assembled from kits, so
[00:12:58] they're available and they're available
[00:13:02] reportedly from Turkey and
[00:13:05] China. do I have
[00:13:09] confirmation of that? no, it's what I read in
[00:13:12] reports, the um
[00:13:15] availability, availability becomes
[00:13:18] obvious because they're being
[00:13:20] used, perhaps being
[00:13:23] assembled, some... where in
[00:13:26] the northwestern regions of Pakistan,
[00:13:30] perhaps being assembled in Afghanistan,
[00:13:34] it's a very difficult situation to
[00:13:36] assess, I'm not in the intelligence
[00:13:40] agency, and it's
[00:13:44] increasingly difficult because the
[00:13:48] United States has very little regard anymore for what's
[00:13:51] happening in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
[00:13:55] because the troops were withdrawn, as you know five years
[00:13:59] ago, um, President Trump has essentially said,
[00:14:03] you're on your own to
[00:14:05] Pakistan, although
[00:14:07] it is still the most favored
[00:14:11] non-Nato ally the United States for good
[00:14:14] reason, the incredible importance of
[00:14:18] Pakistan to the region, I
[00:14:21] don't want to push the...
[00:14:26] point, but insurgencies have a way of taking on their
[00:14:30] own life, they
[00:14:31] are asymmetric and they can gain
[00:14:35] momentum because the people want
[00:14:39] to cast off the state, that is
[00:14:41] trueshistan as i understand it, so
[00:14:45] they the
[00:14:46] of course richard with sustaining these
[00:14:50] operations of course require funding,
[00:14:53] equipment, supply of it, and of
[00:14:57] course the reliable supply channels also, how
[00:15:00] might the TTP finance and its activities,
[00:15:04] procure drones and and explosives, other equipments
[00:15:08] a steady supply so to speak, and what role
[00:15:12] can informal financial systems, criminal
[00:15:15] networks, external facilitators
[00:15:18] play, how can these channels be disrupted and
[00:15:22] and you know weaken of course to weaken the... groups
[00:15:25] operational capacity in
[00:15:27] particular, the
[00:15:31] um answer that is a again a bit
[00:15:35] blurry um...
[00:15:37] the UN recently sanctioned
[00:15:41] any support for terrorism
[00:15:44] carried out against Pakistan. um, sanctions
[00:15:48] mean something, but there's
[00:15:52] no, let's put it
[00:15:55] regular effort or ability to
[00:15:58] enforce, except through um
[00:16:02] say the international police
[00:16:05] agencies, interpol.
[00:16:08] "and that takes a lot of focus and
[00:16:12] commitment by the authorities. I'm
[00:16:16] certain the ISI is tracking where these are coming
[00:16:19] from, and that's
[00:16:23] something that has to be sustained and and
[00:16:26] well-focused, the
[00:16:30] because the inexpensiveness of
[00:16:34] drones
[00:16:35] um or the and the ability to..." assemble them, the ability to
[00:16:39] get them up there, I mean a 14-year-old kid
[00:16:43] in America could assemble
[00:16:47] a serviceable drone, not for warfare, but I hope you take
[00:16:51] my point, um, it's a large
[00:16:54] scale problem, it's a problem for the United
[00:16:58] States, um, I i want to mention that the United
[00:17:01] States lost two service members to a drone attack
[00:17:05] from Iran uh, uh against personnel in
[00:17:09] Jordan um and
[00:17:12] obviously drone warfare has now
[00:17:16] spread so so many places across the globe that it's
[00:17:20] it's being it used to be what was called a boutique weapon, it is
[00:17:23] now a pervasive weapon and drone
[00:17:27] control arms control richard for for a country for a country like
[00:17:31] Afghanistan,
[00:17:32] this is you know war ravaged land in terms of funding that's
[00:17:36] available.
[00:17:37] how what we know about the funding in terms the aid that is
[00:17:41] accessible to the Afghan Taliban, you
[00:17:45] think that you you
[00:17:45] know think there are external source source of steady
[00:17:49] funding and and what do they indicate
[00:17:53] and and the regions and the areas and the countries that they are coming
[00:17:56] from? well, as I said at the top the
[00:18:00] conversation, a proxy war requires
[00:18:03] uh weaponry, shelter, um...
[00:18:08] supplies food for the
[00:18:11] army it's supporting
[00:18:14] um
[00:18:15] I believe it remains
[00:18:18] opaque to a certain degree to
[00:18:21] the uh United States we we have no
[00:18:25] NATO I'm sorry we Nato has no
[00:18:27] presence um and it's it's
[00:18:31] as I said before kind of looking into a black box I think you
[00:18:35] can assume that the Afghan
[00:18:38] Taliban government and military
[00:18:42] is providing some sort of
[00:18:46] protection and access
[00:18:50] to to the TTP and other radical
[00:18:53] groups um that that
[00:18:57] would explain why there's more of a
[00:19:00] proliferation these
[00:19:02] weapons. the the role, what
[00:19:06] about the nexus that we seen as far as India is
[00:19:50] course there are dosiers, there's also Kul Bushan
[00:19:53] Yadav, you
[00:19:54] know, other cases in point that have
[00:19:56] you know been cases in point that have proven the
[00:20:00] role of infiltration, the role of cross border terrorism, the
[00:20:04] role of perpetration of terrorism that comes through the... Indian
[00:20:07] territory, but moving on, as far as the Afghan Taliban
[00:20:11] responsibility themselves is concerned, as far as cross border
[00:20:14] militancy is concerned, of course Pakistan has
[00:20:18] repeatedly raised this concern, as far as TTP
[00:20:21] sanctuaries are concerned, operational freedom inside Afghanistan, of course
[00:20:25] arguing repeatedly that these networks
[00:20:27] contribute -
[00:20:31] irrevorcably to the kind of terrorism that
[00:20:34] then seeps into the Pakistani territory. How
[00:20:38] would or how should the Afghan Taliban be held accountable
[00:20:42] for preventing this kind of cross border
[00:20:45] militancy, barring of course consequences that
[00:20:49] are then you know that that are then of course lashed out
[00:20:53] on their people and their women and their children also, so how do you
[00:20:57] assess that situation? I would
[00:21:01] like to go back to the EU overchore,
[00:21:04] um, that is diplomatic
[00:21:08] path, considering how
[00:21:11] much af taliban two
[00:21:15] looks like taliban one in terms of um,
[00:21:18] it's uh... complete
[00:21:22] and utter devastation the
[00:21:26] rights of women and girls, um, and
[00:21:30] if the taliban is going
[00:21:34] to want any legitimacy, it's going to have to deal with those concerns, and
[00:21:38] once it gains some legitimacy, I would say it can deal more
[00:21:41] effectively, and Pakistan can be be more effective in its
[00:21:45] diplomacy, um, it surgencies can't last
[00:21:48] forever, they have... have to have some sort of
[00:21:52] bridges to um the the
[00:21:55] principal state that they're attacking, i
[00:21:58] think. um, and then you can get
[00:22:02] back to even playing field
[00:22:05] diplomatically. um, the united states
[00:22:09] settled the
[00:22:09] vietnam
[00:22:14] war,
[00:22:15] and the um Iranian, sorry, the Iranian, iraq war was settled,
[00:22:18] the... point I'm making is war
[00:22:22] doesn't help anyone and that may sound like a
[00:22:26] complete um piety uh but I
[00:22:30] think governments eventually realize that there are track
[00:22:34] to overchores um
[00:22:36] and eventually people come to their
[00:22:40] senses one would think I mean it doesn't always happen human
[00:22:44] nature being what it is and perhaps I'm overly
[00:22:47] optimistic. "you
[00:22:51] no, we would all like to be optimistic, but when we look at the Afghan Taliban and of course,
[00:22:55] the insertions that have contributed to Afghan Taliban
[00:22:58] adding another dimension to the tensions
[00:23:02] between Islamabad and Kabul, when we look at
[00:23:06] Pakistan security, when we look at you, of course the talks that were
[00:23:10] earlier held, even in
[00:23:12] Turkey, in terms of this, this
[00:23:15] confrontation, the cross border militant attacks, what steps are
[00:23:19] assent?" in your opinion for for there to be
[00:23:23] some kind of background to credible diplomacy
[00:23:27] or successful diplomacy at this
[00:23:29] time,
[00:23:33] well certainly you have to have a mandate from
[00:23:37] the top, unfortunately
[00:23:41] a mandate like that doesn't always
[00:23:42] work,
[00:23:45] as you know, because sometimes the civilian government is out-ranked
[00:23:48] um "I just
[00:23:52] think that again, I'm not trying not trying to
[00:23:56] be too optimistic, but does either side really want another
[00:23:59] kinetic war, um, to the
[00:24:03] extent that it is not perhaps going to
[00:24:07] end anywhere, but a cease fire or
[00:24:10] truth.
[00:24:12] Look at what happened with the United States in Iran, there's it's essentially sease fire
[00:24:16] and a um pausing."
[00:24:20] because both sides are realizing the the damage that it's
[00:24:24] done and so on the
[00:24:27] ground, journalism has no boots on the ground in
[00:24:31] in this conflict between pakistan
[00:24:34] and always go by
[00:24:37] the maximum that the first casualty in war is the
[00:24:41] truth, so you don't
[00:24:43] have
[00:24:45] independent interlocutors even in
[00:24:49] med. to say this is really what's happening,
[00:24:53] we only know what both sides PR agencies said, say and both sides
[00:24:57] armies, now technically
[00:25:01] the the taliban does not
[00:25:05] have pr
[00:25:07] apparatus,
[00:25:11] but always hunger for both sides, let's hear
[00:25:15] why they are doing this, let's hear whether truly and find
[00:25:19] out whether truly. Afghanistan is supporting
[00:25:21] them um and you can tell I'm cautious because
[00:25:25] again I say having been a journalist a long time I don't have dog in
[00:25:29] the fight um the United States I mean
[00:25:33] I'll be blunt at this point doesn't care uh
[00:25:37] Trump has talked about retaking
[00:25:39] Bagram airbase in
[00:25:43] Afghanistan I don't think that's going to
[00:25:46] happen um so the US is very standoffish and I'm not.
[00:25:50] saying the US has to be involved or
[00:25:54] wants to be involved or should be involved, but without a
[00:25:57] US roll, sometimes nothing gets
[00:26:01] settled forgive. me for
[00:26:20] that you said that of course, as far as India's role is concerned,
[00:26:23] in terms the proof that is available, when we look
[00:26:27] at India's role and balot separate
[00:26:31] groups for... example, pakistan of course has repeatedly
[00:26:35] raised concerns, we've raised concerns about the Indian support for militant
[00:26:39] groups, operating against it, including the
[00:26:42] BLA, Islamabad has also again, like I mentioned earlier,
[00:26:46] cited the example of Kulbushan Yadav and other
[00:26:50] incident presenting its position on external
[00:26:54] involvement in militancy, which is not only
[00:26:57] interestingly, you know,
[00:27:01] relegated
[00:27:01] to Pakistan only, we've
[00:27:02] seen what... happened in Canada also, we've seen, as far as Indian
[00:27:05] involvement is concerned in external territories, I mean just to quote
[00:27:09] examples, so when we look at for example army
[00:27:13] commander, when we look at the Boloach National Army Commander reported,
[00:27:16] reportedly disclosed Indian financial support for separatist
[00:27:20] elements while Bras claimed that its actions including
[00:27:24] its involvement in 2022 lesbela helicopter
[00:27:27] crash, so they were directed by India,
[00:27:31] so so these are cases. point, I'm basing my
[00:27:34] question on, when you say that, how do you respond to that, and how
[00:27:38] should Pakistan respond to this when we are looking at this available
[00:27:42] evidence to expose and disrupt external support for the
[00:27:46] Afghan Taliban and its groups that then flows into
[00:27:50] Pakistani territory? I think you
[00:27:54] present very solid
[00:27:55] foundation
[00:27:58] for suspicions and or
[00:28:02] pro'. of indian involvement, let me go back to the
[00:28:05] bigger picture again, India and Pakistan fought
[00:28:09] a brief air war,
[00:28:12] and actually the border and line conflict has been
[00:28:15] declared an active war, active
[00:28:19] war, so we know
[00:28:22] this, what we don't know is
[00:28:25] whether there's a way to solve the problems
[00:28:29] and I Again,
[00:28:33] do you want a kinetic solution, that is uh,
[00:28:36] missiles firing across lines, or do you want
[00:28:40] diplomatic solution, and that's up to both
[00:28:44] governments, India and and
[00:28:46] Pakistan to lay aside and
[00:28:50] persistent historical enmities and suspicions
[00:28:54] if possible, and certainly I'm,
[00:28:57] I'm not privy to any diplomatic
[00:29:01] overtures, I went... on one track to assignment
[00:29:04] to um New Delhi um
[00:29:08] and both sides at the launch table that
[00:29:12] I was at Indian general
[00:29:16] um was was optimistic but that never
[00:29:20] happened um obviously never
[00:29:23] happened so if there's a way
[00:29:27] to solve these issues without more people being
[00:29:30] killed. that would be wonderful, how
[00:29:34] would you, i
[00:29:38] understand richard, yeah, but would you in, if you if you look back at history and
[00:29:42] in terms of how things are, when we look at the landscape
[00:29:45] overall with Modi's India at this time, how would you rate
[00:29:49] diplomatic success between Pakistan and India
[00:29:53] on such such a for example trading of evidence on
[00:29:56] such a you know sort of sitting across the table in terms
[00:30:00] of some kind of serious? solution, how would you rate it?
[00:30:04] because we've also seen what happened in the the war
[00:30:08] recently between pakistan in India, in which of course we
[00:30:12] saw the role the US president also, so so there is
[00:30:16] you know a certain background to what happened, so so what are your thoughts at
[00:30:19] this time of that kind of diplom success of of that kind of
[00:30:23] diplomatic
[00:30:24] effort?
[00:30:30] 10%? uh at
[00:30:33] first, but then you bring in the
[00:30:37] the um global powers, including the global south,
[00:30:40] including the western powers, and you start to make
[00:30:43] progress. um, and the Vietnam
[00:30:46] settlement, years were
[00:30:50] spent debating the size the
[00:30:53] table that diplomats would sit at, and and how many
[00:30:57] people would be at that table, so...