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[00:00:00] The end of the news bulletin, see you again. would now be in the International Criminal Court. Israel would have been condemned by the Security Council. No one could turn a blind eye to what Israel is doing except the United States. But does the United States have the readiness to bear Israeli behavior or Israeli crimes similar to what happened in Gaza? I believe the United States is annoyed by Israeli behavior. I believe it seeks to find solutions. How to find solutions? I believe that the countries of the region can illuminate the picture or the path for a clearer American vision for the necessity of stability. And stability cannot be achieved unless the Palestinian issue is resolved fairly.
[00:00:14] the issue of Jerusalem,
[00:00:15] this conflict into a religious
[00:00:17] to religious extremism
[00:00:23] the occupying state.
[00:00:28] I mean, they are the ones
[00:00:34] all the detainees have no
[00:00:34] And there is also Jewish involvement in what happened last
[00:00:40] becoming Israeli, the individual interests week, except that it is an expression of the resentment present
[00:00:43] among Israelis,
[00:00:46] and part of it is punishment for citizens and families.
[00:00:49] Religion has a deep
[00:00:50] but it is a very important
[00:00:58] files. Therefore, this has become a key
[00:01:03] succeed in supporting the steadfastness
[00:01:19] separately, and that it does
[00:01:33] homes were built for unless you give me concessions States, "I will not interfere
[00:01:39] Welcome, dear viewers, to today's file. Since November
[00:01:43] 11,
[00:01:44] and stand in its
[00:01:45] will not interfere in this 2023, the Arab-Islamic Ministerial Committee
[00:01:48] unless there is on Jerusalem was formed. Since that date, the committee,
[00:01:51] which includes a large number of Arab
[00:01:54] foreign ministers and Islamic
[00:01:56] power demographically. countries, has traveled the world to discuss ways to stop Israeli
[00:01:59] violations against the city of Jerusalem and its Islamic
[00:02:02] and Christian holy sites. Today in
[00:02:05] Amman, the committee held its meeting to reaffirm
[00:02:09] the same position: the sovereignty
[00:02:11] Therefore, when a house is over Jerusalem is Palestinian, and the guardianship over
[00:02:14] its holy sites is Hashemite.
[00:02:17] of injustice. Injustice In bold letters, we present
[00:02:18] Therefore, its location these headlines to our guest in the studio, the writer and political analyst Dr.
[00:02:21] Mundher Hawarat. Welcome. Hello, Professor Ahmed, to
[00:02:27] to make concessions all your dear viewers and to our people in Palestine and the West Bank in general. Dr.,
[00:02:30] first of all, does this committee,
[00:02:33] which includes a large number of Arab foreign
[00:02:37] ministers and Islamic countries, add momentum, in your opinion,
[00:02:41] to the Jerusalem file? Without
[00:02:43] The issue here is the occupation a doubt. If we look at the composition of the committee,
[00:02:46] the committee includes Arab countries, major Islamic
[00:02:50] countries
[00:02:52] like Indonesia, Turkey. Turkey is a member of NATO.
[00:02:56] Therefore, this adds weight to the committee.
[00:03:00] The demographic
[00:03:03] weight of Indonesia, of Egypt
[00:03:06] as a pivotal Arab state, of Jordan, of Pakistan
[00:03:11] they call it. And of course, as a nuclear Islamic state. All the participating
[00:03:14] states are states of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, and Qatar.
[00:03:18] All these states
[00:03:21] willing to die very extremist and demand these are active on the regional and international levels
[00:03:24] and have significant influence. They have
[00:03:27] soft power, hard power, and technological
[00:03:30] result will be more beautiful power. They can exert pressure
[00:03:34] on the international
[00:03:37] equation? There are signs community because each of these parties possesses its soft
[00:03:41] tools through
[00:03:44] extremist organizations which it can exert influence. For example, Turkey
[00:03:46] can influence NATO.
[00:03:49] issue and on the Jerusalem Indonesia
[00:03:52] Israel is heading to the right, is influential. Qatar, Saudi Arabia,
[00:03:54] the Emirates,
[00:03:56] Israeli entity was planted all of them. Jordan is an active state, and Egypt is a major state. Therefore,
[00:04:00] I imagine that this
[00:04:03] from the conflict, momentum in this committee
[00:04:06] is capable of producing
[00:04:08] them centrally. results if
[00:04:09] I mean, the Palestinian there is effective coordination or important effective coordination
[00:04:12] between the parties and selecting
[00:04:16] the methods that can be used to exert
[00:04:20] lies in how to convert pressure on the international community and choosing the method of exerting
[00:04:24] pressure. They are oil-producing countries, as I told
[00:04:28] you, they have the capabilities
[00:04:30] to exert pressure for the benefit
[00:04:32] of Jerusalem and its cause, and for the benefit
[00:04:36] of the Palestinian cause. Previously, by the way, such
[00:04:39] pressure was exerted and led to positive results. Dr.,
[00:04:42] I stop at what you said: "If these countries wanted
[00:04:46] to the Arab world? It has to." What could prevent these countries from exercising their influence
[00:04:49] on the international stage
[00:04:52] of planting an entity to stop these violations, at least with regard to Jerusalem? The problem is the nature
[00:04:55] of the countries' alliances.
[00:04:57] of what is happening in Palestine, Each country has its own interests. We do not consider
[00:05:00] this group of countries as one bloc
[00:05:03] that can melt itself into one crucible
[00:05:07] and exert pressure through it. Each of these
[00:05:10] countries has its own agenda,
[00:05:13] its national interests,
[00:05:17] its internal interests. But
[00:05:20] in the end, Turkey has its interests.
[00:05:24] It may sympathize with
[00:05:27] but it will not give up its interests
[00:05:29] for the sake of Jerusalem. And
[00:05:33] the same applies to Indonesia. Therefore, the idea
[00:05:36] of melting all these countries into one
[00:05:40] direction to exert pressure for the benefit
[00:05:43] of the Palestinian cause,
[00:05:47] this happens, but how to overcome
[00:05:52] of each country, the individual alliances
[00:05:55] of each country? How do we find a common
[00:05:58] denominator for these eight committee members
[00:06:01] of a large committee, these members, without
[00:06:05] this exerted pressure conflicting with the internal
[00:06:08] interest of each party? I think this is the mission
[00:06:11] of the Arab League and the mission
[00:06:14] of its president and the mission of the foreign minister,
[00:06:17] the head of this committee, who is the Jordanian
[00:06:20] foreign minister. If they can establish
[00:06:23] coordination between
[00:06:26] the interests of the states, not excluding the interest of each state
[00:06:32] not conflict with their international obligations
[00:06:35] and their international interests, and they find
[00:06:39] common ground between them that all contributes
[00:06:42] to one momentum for the benefit of Jerusalem
[00:06:45] and the Palestinian cause, I think they can succeed.
[00:06:49] But how do we reach this point? I think it requires leadership
[00:06:53] ingenuity. It requires leadership ingenuity and coordination ingenuity. And
[00:06:57] I don't think the Arab region, or the President
[00:07:00] of the Arab League, or the Jordanian Foreign Minister, lack this
[00:07:03] experience, because there is accumulated
[00:07:07] experience in how to manage regional work
[00:07:10] and institutional work.
[00:07:12] Therefore, I also think it's important not to set
[00:07:16] exaggerated demands. I think we won't get
[00:07:20] all of them. Let's divide the agenda into specific
[00:07:24] points. Now, the important thing is to highlight
[00:07:27] the Israeli violation
[00:07:30] of international law
[00:07:33] and the basic conflict as an occupying
[00:07:36] power. This is important,
[00:07:39] and we prove that it violates international laws.
[00:07:45] Doctor, if we want to be pragmatic, for example,
[00:07:48] the Gaza file and the West Bank file,
[00:07:51] and when the occupier or the Israeli right
[00:07:55] talks about expelling Palestinians, about ethnic cleansing
[00:07:58] and so on, it goes to the issue of Arab national
[00:08:01] security and the issue of joint Arab security regarding the issue
[00:08:05] of displacement, and therefore the positions are firmer
[00:08:08] regarding Jerusalem. Does Jerusalem represent to many Arab countries
[00:08:12] (and here we do not diminish their rights or
[00:08:15] their positions) it may be a moral or
[00:08:19] humanitarian issue and not
[00:08:22] an issue with a national or Arab security dimension in its broad sense,
[00:08:26] unlike the West Bank and Jerusalem, and this, of course, does not apply to Jordan
[00:08:30] nor to Palestine nor to some very close Arab
[00:08:33] countries to the Palestinian geography. Now,
[00:08:37] the close Arab countries, especially Jordan, Egypt, and the Gulf
[00:08:41] Arab countries, for them, the issue of Jerusalem
[00:08:44] combines and mixes being a political issue
[00:08:48] as an occupied Arab land, and it must
[00:08:51] gain its right to an independent entity
[00:08:55] ruled by Palestinians. This
[00:08:57] is one. Two, it has a religious
[00:09:01] significance for
[00:09:04] Arabs.
[00:09:06] For countries like Turkey, Indonesia, and other
[00:09:10] Islamic countries, it may be far
[00:09:15] it may not concern
[00:09:22] issue is not a central issue for them. However,
[00:09:25] the religious dimension in this issue is very important
[00:09:29] for these countries. Therefore, the intelligence
[00:09:33] this religious idea or the religious dimension in these
[00:09:37] countries' views of the Palestinian issue and transform
[00:09:40] it into political momentum. For example, when I transform
[00:09:44] Indonesia or Turkey from emotional and moral
[00:09:47] momentum into political momentum, this
[00:09:50] is something that needs discussion. Practically,
[00:09:54] if Israel achieves its goals
[00:09:57] in Jerusalem, this
[00:09:59] will affect not only Jordan,
[00:10:03] not only Egypt or Saudi Arabia or all the Arab Gulf
[00:10:07] states, or generally Arab states,
[00:10:10] it will affect the Islamic conscience everywhere.
[00:10:14] Therefore, this will have a political impact. Therefore,
[00:10:17] the stance of major Islamic countries in favor
[00:10:21] of the Palestinian cause is not just an emotional issue.
[00:10:25] When Muslims anywhere
[00:10:28] in the world see this blatant violation,
[00:10:31] in my opinion, their anger will turn political, and this
[00:10:35] will lead to undesirable political consequences for these
[00:10:39] countries. Therefore, the process of translating emotion
[00:10:42] into politics requires what we might call
[00:10:46] tactical ingenuity from the Arab countries to convince
[00:10:50] leaders that their internal political
[00:10:54] interests align with serious
[00:10:57] support for the cause of Palestine and the cause
[00:11:00] of Jerusalem, because in the end it will be in their interest.
[00:11:04] Countries like Turkey have elections, Indonesia as
[00:11:07] well. These major countries are important. Pakistan
[00:11:10] too, I apologize for overlooking Pakistan,
[00:11:15] country, especially at this time. Pakistan
[00:11:19] base in many international and regional
[00:11:23] position of Pakistan
[00:11:27] may give it important pressure
[00:11:29] tools that can influence. Therefore, in my opinion,
[00:11:33] the process of converting
[00:11:35] sympathy into a strong
[00:11:38] political stance, not just a political stance.
[00:11:42] The demand is that this political stance
[00:11:45] of support turns into a pressuring
[00:11:48] stance. For example, Pakistan can tell the United
[00:11:53] in such and such an issue
[00:11:57] in the Palestinian file,
[00:12:00] in the occupation file." For example, Turkey
[00:12:03] is capable of saying that
[00:12:06] I
[00:12:10] issue in the region
[00:12:13] a concession in the Palestinian issue for the benefit of Palestinians.
[00:12:16] The same applies to Indonesia. Indonesia is a great
[00:12:21] We should not deny its status as the largest
[00:12:24] power in terms of population,
[00:12:28] an Islamic power, and its strategic location in a region
[00:12:31] that will lead the
[00:12:33] future, its strategic location in
[00:12:37] a region that is qualified for the global
[00:12:39] weight to be there.
[00:12:43] near China, near these places,
[00:12:46] it can exploit it as an influential political
[00:12:49] weight for the benefit of the Palestinian issue,
[00:12:52] perhaps better than all the weapons in the world. This is important.
[00:12:56] I want to stick to what you said, and I don't want to go into analyzing the final statement.
[00:12:59] The final statement is clear, but as it is said,
[00:13:03] understanding the problem or understanding the question is half the solution.
[00:13:08] and the mentality of this Israeli right, and even the Israeli
[00:13:12] left, it is the mentality of the Israeli presence on Palestinian
[00:13:15] lands. The Israeli idea or the Zionist
[00:13:19] belief states that this Jerusalem,
[00:13:22] in all its details, is a Jewish city,
[00:13:26] and this mosque must be demolished to be replaced
[00:13:30] by the Temple of Solomon, or Solomon's Temple, as
[00:13:36] this is what pressures the top of the Israeli political
[00:13:39] pyramid to resort to more extremist policies
[00:13:42] because the people have become
[00:13:46] demands. If we want to measure this on the Arab
[00:13:49] and Islamic countries, do the Arab and Islamic countries
[00:13:53] and their peoples (and here I mean the peoples)
[00:13:57] possess this direction? I don't want to call
[00:14:01] it extremist, but it is adherence to the idea
[00:14:04] that Jerusalem is an Islamic-Christian city with an Arab presence.
[00:14:07] Therefore, the peoples also pressure their governments to have
[00:14:10] positions on the Palestinian
[00:14:14] file. Now,
[00:14:17] and this does not concern it. It may affect
[00:14:20] the reality for a temporary period and push towards
[00:14:24] the Judaisation and Israelisation of the city of Jerusalem.
[00:14:26] These are ideologies that cannot be relied
[00:14:30] upon as being achievable. They say so. I am
[00:14:34] now saying that we need to unite the Arab world.
[00:14:37] Its unity or lack thereof, I will say what I want,
[00:14:40] and he will say what he wants. But in the end,
[00:14:43] the Israeli-Palestinian relationship is subject to
[00:14:47] the logic of occupation and therefore the logic
[00:14:49] of international law. No matter how much it boasts
[00:14:53] of its power, it must submit to international law.
[00:14:57] Therefore, we cannot rely on what the settlers
[00:15:00] say. We are now in a phase where they are receiving
[00:15:04] support from an extremist right-wing government. But
[00:15:08] will this extremism spread
[00:15:11] already spread. Many of the extremist movements
[00:15:15] in the Arab world, if you search for their seeds,
[00:15:19] you will find that the injustice
[00:15:22] this feeling that a large and broad nation is not
[00:15:26] able to fight in defense
[00:15:30] of a small entity and avenge the Palestinian
[00:15:33] people and remove injustice from them. This
[00:15:37] scenario will certainly happen if the settlers
[00:15:40] continue this behavior in the city
[00:15:44] of Jerusalem, because the city of Jerusalem does not only
[00:15:48] mean politics. Its conflict is political. Transforming
[00:15:52] one will lead
[00:15:55] within the Palestinian territories
[00:15:58] of the occupying state, and to a corresponding
[00:16:01] religious extremism in the Islamic or Arab world. I'm talking
[00:16:05] about 400 million people. You may not feel it now,
[00:16:09] but if there is a real development,
[00:16:12] and Muslims feel that this city
[00:16:14] is inevitably
[00:16:17] there will be an outburst of anger that no one
[00:16:21] knows how to control. Now,
[00:16:23] people are calm.
[00:16:26] impact on souls. No one can predict
[00:16:30] the reactions of a religious person towards
[00:16:33] a sacred place of deep sanctity
[00:16:36] like the city of Jerusalem. Therefore,
[00:16:40] they believe that their religious
[00:16:44] text says that the laws cannot be established
[00:16:47] until the temple is built, and that there are laws
[00:16:50] that are suspended until the temple is built. On the
[00:16:53] other hand, there are 400 million people,
[00:16:57] now 450, and 1.2 billion
[00:17:00] Muslims. These people have a conviction,
[00:17:04] a large part of them, let me say half of them, have a firm
[00:17:08] conviction that
[00:17:10] the idea of
[00:17:12] uprooting the entity becomes deeply rooted in their
[00:17:16] souls, and this is not in Israel's interest if it wants to remain.
[00:17:19] I mean, tomorrow I might have 100 Daesh,
[00:17:23] and the official Arab system, which is stable
[00:17:26] and capable of pragmatic and political dealings with
[00:17:30] Israel, will be in danger. Therefore, the entire
[00:17:33] region will enter a state of chaos and infighting,
[00:17:36] and this, unfortunately, no one is taking into
[00:17:40] consideration. I mean, how long did it take countries
[00:17:44] to eliminate ISIS? Al-Qaeda, all these
[00:17:46] organizations that they called terrorist.
[00:17:50] All these organizations arose from a feeling
[00:17:55] from whom? From Western countries and from
[00:17:59] the occupation of Palestine, which was the real seed
[00:18:02] for producing this hidden anger in the souls
[00:18:06] of Muslims and Arabs: they see Palestine occupied
[00:18:10] and all this world is unable to save it.
[00:18:14] Therefore, the feeling of anger was ignited. If this
[00:18:17] happens again, the first time the world was able
[00:18:20] to unite and stop it. The second time
[00:18:23] the world is preoccupied with something more dangerous
[00:18:26] than the region. The world I mean is the United States.
[00:18:29] So, Doctor, you are saying that the Jerusalem file
[00:18:32] is extremely important because if the
[00:18:35] occupation tries to turn it into a purely religious
[00:18:39] file, or to turn it into a religious war,
[00:18:42] then it will ignite a wide-ranging war,
[00:18:46] which is not in Israel's interest. Without a doubt, it is not
[00:18:49] in Israel's interest, because people can fight
[00:18:52] for homelands and sacrifice for them.
[00:18:55] But for religion, they are
[00:18:59] because they are confident that this death means
[00:19:02] martyrdom and going to heaven,
[00:19:05] and that the
[00:19:07] than life. But does Western society or the international
[00:19:11] community understand this
[00:19:14] of such understanding. There is a beginning
[00:19:18] to understanding why
[00:19:21] emerged in the Arab and Islamic region.
[00:19:24] This understanding has begun to produce a different
[00:19:27] understanding. Firstly, in the beginning of the
[00:19:30] conflict, when the
[00:19:34] in the region, the West was convinced that this
[00:19:37] region was a desert of camels and shepherds,
[00:19:41] let's say, less than human, and that the Jews
[00:19:45] were civilized people. In addition, getting rid
[00:19:48] of the Jewish problem, creating a homeland for Jews
[00:19:51] in Palestine, was not out of love for them,
[00:19:55] it was out of hatred for them. They got rid
[00:19:59] of a large part of a problem that was bothering Europe.
[00:20:02] Therefore, they rejected any settlement
[00:20:06] related to their return or talking about them being
[00:20:09] able to return to Europe. So they stood firmly
[00:20:13] with Israel that this state must be established.
[00:20:16] And they looked at us, Arabs and the region,
[00:20:19] as uncivilized, primitive
[00:20:21] people, shepherds who don't
[00:20:25] understand the concept of a homeland. Therefore, the idea
[00:20:30] was easy. Now it's different. Now the vision
[00:20:33] for the region is completely clear.
[00:20:37] It has peoples, cities, development, investment.
[00:20:40] Even the vision for the Palestinian citizen
[00:20:43] by the West has become clear
[00:20:46] and evident to all. This Palestinian
[00:20:50] who immigrated to Europe or to Latin
[00:20:53] America or North America found himself
[00:20:57] to be educated, understanding, productive,
[00:21:00] capable of holding leadership positions,
[00:21:04] being an expert, a leader. Therefore, the vague idea
[00:21:08] about the region, about the Palestinian, about the Arab has changed.
[00:21:12] And the idea that the Jew is civilized and these
[00:21:15] are backward has changed. Therefore, the balance
[00:21:18] of power is changing, not in Israel's interest.
[00:21:24] pressure from outside against Zionist policies
[00:21:27] against the Palestinian people, Doctor. I will remain
[00:21:31] within the pragmatic framework, as we
[00:21:34] called it. The issue of supporting Palestinians
[00:21:38] and supporting Jerusalemites and supporting this holy
[00:21:41] city. The statement referred to the issue
[00:21:45] of financial support or material support.
[00:21:48] In your opinion, to what extent can these countries
[00:21:53] of Jerusalemites, at least financially? And there were decisions from
[00:21:57] the League of Arab States, for example, to support
[00:22:00] the state of Palestine, but this was not implemented,
[00:22:03] unfortunately. This is very important
[00:22:06] because I will keep supporting. There is certainly a sincere
[00:22:09] intention to support, but Israel, the other
[00:22:12] party, obstructs support. You need
[00:22:16] a mechanism to deliver support. For example, Israel
[00:22:19] demolishes Palestinian homes. If
[00:22:23] Palestinians, if a city exclusively for
[00:22:27] Palestinians was built, in my opinion, it would
[00:22:30] reduce the suffering of Jerusalemites. By the
[00:22:34] way, Jerusalemites are steadfast on their land. We are not
[00:22:37] seeing a significant shift despite all Israeli
[00:22:40] measures. In fact, the Palestinian people have proven, with
[00:22:44] conclusive evidence, that they are a people who want
[00:22:47] their country and do not want to leave it. They have
[00:22:51] learned from past experiences that if you
[00:22:54] leave your place, a vacuum will be created
[00:22:58] and occupied by the Israelis.
[00:23:01] demolished, they build another one, even if it is
[00:23:04] illegal in the eyes of the Israeli.
[00:23:08] But they build it, and they lose its cost
[00:23:11] so that Israel is condemned when it demolishes
[00:23:15] it. Therefore, this Palestinian policy needs
[00:23:19] support. It needs money, it needs money. How can
[00:23:22] this citizen, whom Israel is trying to prevent from
[00:23:25] working, live? Many of them
[00:23:29] live on the support of their children abroad. If
[00:23:33] it weren't for their children abroad, they might have
[00:23:36] left. But when support comes from the Arab
[00:23:39] League or from an Islamic organization,
[00:23:42] and by forcing or pressuring the United
[00:23:46] States that this is allocated to these people for
[00:23:50] electricity, for water, for streets,
[00:23:53] for housing, and the United States, every ally of
[00:23:57] every United States, the United States is an ally
[00:24:00] of everyone, and each of these parties
[00:24:03] has a mechanism to pressure the United
[00:24:07] States and influence its position. And I believe
[00:24:10] that when pressure is exerted on it to intervene
[00:24:14] or allow or pressure Israel to allow the entry of funds
[00:24:18] by creating an internal
[00:24:21] fund. This fund must always be full.
[00:24:24] And I don't think a billion or two billion or three
[00:24:28] billion dollars a year will cripple the Arab
[00:24:31] and Islamic world. I mean, if each country donated
[00:24:34] 50 million, I believe the fund will be full
[00:24:37] and will help ensure the steadfastness
[00:24:41] of Jerusalemites. It will support it, not guarantee it. It actually exists.
[00:24:45] They want to stay on their land. It will support
[00:24:49] their steadfastness, enhance their
[00:24:52] well-being in life, confront
[00:24:56] Israeli measures against them,
[00:24:59] support their presence in a stable environment
[00:25:02] at least so that they can live their lives with
[00:25:05] dignity and respect, instead of Israel pursuing
[00:25:08] their livelihood and existence. And I believe this is
[00:25:12] one of the basic tasks of
[00:25:15] the Arab collective action organizations,
[00:25:19] first and foremost the Arab League
[00:25:22] and the Islamic organizations, first and foremost the Islamic
[00:25:26] Conference. This is in addition
[00:25:29] to political support, of course.
[00:25:32] The most important part of political
[00:25:35] support is that Israel must be compelled
[00:25:39] to treat Jerusalem as an occupied
[00:25:43] city. Therefore, even part of these
[00:25:46] funds should be provided by Israel as
[00:25:50] a state concerned with caring for citizens
[00:25:54] or the occupied territories. Doctor, you named
[00:25:56] the most important party in this
[00:25:59] equation, which is the United States of America. After
[00:26:03] President Donald Trump came to office
[00:26:06] in his first term and decided to move
[00:26:10] the American embassy to Jerusalem,
[00:26:13] some countries are now racing to move
[00:26:16] their embassies to the city of Jerusalem
[00:26:20] in recognition of it being the capital of
[00:26:25] Now, how can we convince America and President
[00:26:29] Trump that what he is doing
[00:26:32] now regarding the holy city is a violation
[00:26:35] of international resolutions? And
[00:26:38] how can we also tell the countries
[00:26:42] of the world, or convince them, by force
[00:26:44] or by interest, that interest is not
[00:26:48] always with America and not always
[00:26:51] with the American president's absolute direction? If
[00:26:55] we focus a bit, now Trump in his
[00:26:58] first term was different from his second
[00:27:02] term. Trump in his first
[00:27:06] term was committed to the Israeli
[00:27:09] conviction in a way that, in my opinion,
[00:27:12] there was no way to stop it. But in this term,
[00:27:16] Trump has become more understanding
[00:27:19] of the nature of the region and more aware of
[00:27:23] the importance of its stability. And he has become
[00:27:26] concerned about its stability, because opening the
[00:27:29] region's file wide open means a chronic
[00:27:32] headache for the United States,
[00:27:35] distracting it from the danger that the United
[00:27:39] States has begun to identify, not us,
[00:27:42] that it wants to confront China's expansion
[00:27:47] way and prevent it. Therefore, its chronic
[00:27:50] preoccupation in this region
[00:27:53] will hinder it from exercising its mission
[00:27:56] of defending the United States as a dominant
[00:28:00] nation or a dominant pole. Therefore, Israel's
[00:28:04] continuation, even if there is a strategic alliance
[00:28:07] (and we noticed some points of disagreement
[00:28:11] between them), even if Israel is an ally
[00:28:15] of the United States, its continued troubles for the United
[00:28:18] States will be in the interest of
[00:28:22] Arabs to pressure the United States
[00:28:26] to pressure Israel
[00:28:29] for the benefit of Palestinians. And this is the right
[00:28:32] time, I believe. This is the right
[00:28:36] time. Now there is a war in the
[00:28:40] Arabian Gulf, there is confusion or
[00:28:44] chaos in the region generally. The United
[00:28:47] States does not need new chaos after
[00:28:51] the Gaza chaos. After Israel committed shameful crimes in
[00:28:54] and the basis and the fundamental pillar of the just
[00:28:58] solution is that you