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[00:00:00] people who have been
[00:00:02] of killed and injured,
[00:00:04] of ultimately the truth will triumph. i am
[00:00:07] 100% sure of this. it's
[00:00:11] right. thank you so much, mr. gumsi, i'm going to come back to
[00:00:15] you. mr. wanted to
[00:00:17] of put the same question to you, if a journalist like naga homit is
[00:00:21] detained in this
[00:00:21] a way without any given reason whatsoever, what
[00:00:25] legal
[00:00:26] of mechanisms order to challenge that detention?
[00:00:31] I
[00:00:32] of think there is no way to stop this type of
[00:00:35] detention, whether the arbitrary
[00:00:38] detention, the administrative detention or
[00:00:42] of the sentences
[00:00:43] of from the Israeli government, by the way, two days ago the Israeli government
[00:00:47] sentenced the journalist for
[00:00:51] 48 months under text
[00:00:55] of inciting against the Israeli army, the
[00:00:59] of Israeli government.
[00:01:01] of has a plan, has a policy against the journalists
[00:01:04] and which put which puts
[00:01:08] a big question mark about the
[00:01:12] stance
[00:01:13] of the international community, the institutions about the
[00:01:16] real will from the international community to stop this violation, to stop
[00:01:20] this aggression against the palestinians
[00:01:24] including the journalists, what is the point
[00:01:27] of the United Nations charter, if it does this...
[00:01:30] prevent the these violations from the Israel
[00:01:33] army, we saw
[00:01:36] of the the case of we saw many cases inside
[00:01:40] gaza, we
[00:01:41] of saw the sing
[00:01:44] arresting campaigns against the journalists in the west
[00:01:47] bank with no
[00:01:50] of insight
[00:01:54] of of without of accountability from the international community, because of that i don't turn out that this government will
[00:01:58] take more ' steps against
[00:02:00] of the Palestinians especially the journalists to
[00:02:04] intimidate people here, to put more pressure on the internal
[00:02:07] front to hide their stories, to hide
[00:02:10] their agony
[00:02:14] and to give the settlers more time,
[00:02:18] more space to intensify
[00:02:21] their attacks and their projects by confiscating
[00:02:24] land, burning properties
[00:02:27] of and establishing more illegal settlements.
[00:02:32] and Mr. Alg, what do you think the international uh
[00:02:36] press freedom organization should be doing right now and also the
[00:02:39] governments?
[00:02:43] I'm starting to be the question, the the question was about uh the
[00:02:47] authorities, one
[00:02:48] of them is international press freedom organization and also the
[00:02:51] governments, um, what do you think they should be doing as of
[00:02:55] this moment? they should
[00:02:58] us - Nothing by the
[00:03:02] way, I told you we we have
[00:03:05] hundreds of journalists inside the Israel jails, we
[00:03:09] have tens of journalists were
[00:03:13] killed by the Israeli army and settlers in the gaza
[00:03:16] strip during the disturbation and in the west
[00:03:19] of bank by the Israeli s attacks without
[00:03:22] investigations without files without
[00:03:27] of any issue weather inside. the
[00:03:30] ICJ or inside the
[00:03:34] parliaments around the world or the
[00:03:36] in inside the United Nations institutions, there is
[00:03:40] nothing, I
[00:03:41] of think we have collusion here, we have
[00:03:44] conspiracy against the
[00:03:47] of Palestinians, against the journalists to prevent them from
[00:03:51] covering the truth or delivering the truth or delivering the
[00:03:55] voice of people under these reincubation, and I think this is the
[00:03:59] main policy. from the Israeli
[00:04:01] of government against the Palestinians to b the way for the settlers on their
[00:04:05] attacks, we the Israeli army by the way
[00:04:08] prevented tens of outlets in the
[00:04:12] west
[00:04:13] of bank from being as
[00:04:15] offices in many
[00:04:18] of cities in the west bank closed these offices
[00:04:21] and
[00:04:24] told
[00:04:25] of themries there the correspondents there don't
[00:04:29] cover. any news on the
[00:04:32] ground, risks against our army, this is the
[00:04:36] risks against our army, this is the pretext
[00:04:38] of the Israeli army to arrest journalists, to
[00:04:42] prevent them from coverage coverage and to pay the way for the
[00:04:46] settlers tax, this is the real
[00:04:50] story here, unfortunately, without
[00:04:53] of accountability, without real will from
[00:04:56] the international community, i think israel
[00:05:00] took that as a green
[00:05:02] in light to go through its plan instead of
[00:05:05] stopping its aggression against the journalists. i think
[00:05:09] Israel
[00:05:11] of understood these bad. signs from the international community as a green
[00:05:14] light to go through their satanic
[00:05:17] plans. Mr. um,
[00:05:20] we also have been covering how some European countries are
[00:05:24] changing their course when
[00:05:26] it comes to their treatment
[00:05:28] to this routi regime. One them has been the UK. Do you
[00:05:32] think those moves are going to change this regime
[00:05:36] in any possible way? No, we saw
[00:05:40] the the UK by the way. give us gives
[00:05:43] us service about the settlements, about the settlers
[00:05:47] in the west bank, they didn't prevent any
[00:05:50] institution or organization in UK
[00:05:54] from supporting the settlements financially and politically and
[00:05:58] militally by the way, they
[00:05:59] didn't call the ambassador
[00:06:03] of Israel to ask him about
[00:06:07] the the the closure of consultat in Jerusalem, they
[00:06:10] didn't remove. the citizenship
[00:06:14] the UK from any settler in the west
[00:06:17] bank, as they told us, they refused the
[00:06:21] settlements in the west bank, okay, if you have a
[00:06:25] real stance, you have
[00:06:29] to to ask the settlers in the west bank, if you
[00:06:32] want to stay in the west bank, you have to
[00:06:36] abandon the UK citizenship or we will remove it,
[00:06:40] but when you see the... the reality,
[00:06:44] they didn't do any real action
[00:06:47] against the settlers and the settlements, by the way the
[00:06:51] settlements and the settlers became
[00:06:54] larger and the hostilities
[00:06:58] became huge
[00:07:01] after the declaration the UK, they
[00:07:05] just gave us lip service, there is
[00:07:07] no reaction on the ground to stop the
[00:07:11] sat or... the Israeli army,
[00:07:14] Israel continued its policies
[00:07:18] against the Palestinians by targeting journalists,
[00:07:21] targeting people, confiscating water springs,
[00:07:25] establishing more illegal to distract the
[00:07:28] Palestinian daily life, and they did by the way, and
[00:07:32] we saw their last action against the journalists, they
[00:07:35] arrested as a
[00:07:39] way, as a tool to put more pressure on. the palestinians
[00:07:43] and especially on journalists to intimidate
[00:07:46] them. mr. you also
[00:07:49] heard um Mr. Mazen Rumsia's analysis on
[00:07:53] my last question in which he said that this is a sign of
[00:07:57] desperation when it comes to this regime, it means the end of this occupation um
[00:08:01] is actually much nearer than we
[00:08:05] thought. um, would you agree with that assessment that this is
[00:08:09] a sign of desperation by this really regime?
[00:08:17] I'm sorry, the question, yeah, sure thing,
[00:08:20] Mr., I just said that you heard
[00:08:24] Mr. Gumsia's analysis and my last question, that
[00:08:27] this is actually a sign of desperation byidary
[00:08:31] regime, when it comes to uh detaining journalists, would you
[00:08:35] agree with that assessment? By the way,
[00:08:39] I will be precise here, and from my point of view, when the... Israeli
[00:08:42] army and the Israeli intelligence target
[00:08:46] targets the journalists
[00:08:49] that a bad
[00:08:53] sign from them and that will
[00:08:57] reflect negatively on their image in front the international community
[00:09:01] and their society, why you are chasing the
[00:09:05] journalists, because they exposed you,
[00:09:09] this is an important point for the Palestinians and Israelis by the
[00:09:13] way in front the international community, i
[00:09:17] will crify something here, the Israeli army and the
[00:09:20] Israel intelligence, all the israeli
[00:09:24] sectors, security sectors, they are
[00:09:28] trying to keep their
[00:09:32] narrative as main narrative without
[00:09:35] hesitation, without reaction from the palestinians, when you
[00:09:39] see their aggression, the
[00:09:43] journalists, against the writers, against the
[00:09:46] outlets, this is the point here, when it
[00:09:49] comes to the Palestinians, they will arrest them,
[00:09:53] they will kill them, they will chase them, when it comes to the
[00:09:57] Israeli journalists, they just will ask them
[00:10:01] to stop or to keep them away, but
[00:10:05] indeed this is racism
[00:10:08] policy, and this is the
[00:10:12] sign, that the Israeli government a big
[00:10:14] dilemma to pass its narrative or
[00:10:18] to spread its narrative, this is an obvious
[00:10:22] point that Israel failed in,
[00:10:25] renewing or renovating its image in front
[00:10:29] the international community after its massacres and genocides
[00:10:33] salvation and aggression against the palestinians and the neighbor
[00:10:36] countries. this is also the case, mr. when it comes to
[00:10:40] israely journalists in other countries, i
[00:10:42] right? yeah, when it comes to the Israeli journalists, they
[00:10:46] will deal with them smoothly, they will
[00:10:50] according, they will dealing with
[00:10:54] them. to the Israeli institution, rules,
[00:10:57] laws, but about the palestinians, they will go
[00:11:01] through sharp laws,
[00:11:04] sharp actions by arresting
[00:11:08] them, beating them, killing them, as we
[00:11:12] saw, this is the racism policy,
[00:11:15] and Israel has justifications for everything,
[00:11:19] Israel wanted to create an enemy in every era,
[00:11:23] every time, every place to... justify or to
[00:11:26] convince the international community of its
[00:11:29] sacrifice as victim as a skill to emerge as
[00:11:33] escape goat, we have threats from
[00:11:36] journalists, they are covering the
[00:11:40] they are making some risks
[00:11:44] against settlers, against soldiers who
[00:11:48] has weapons, journalists all
[00:11:51] this is real, that's right, now let me bring
[00:11:55] back Press TV's political correspondent Homeira
[00:11:58] Ahad, are there according to the same thing that
[00:12:02] Mr. Alqiq, our other guest was just saying, shouldn't
[00:12:06] there be more protections for the journalists in
[00:12:10] the occupied West bank territory, as we have been
[00:12:13] saying, more than two years
[00:12:16] the aggression against the occupied Westbank territory
[00:12:20] against the its journalists and your thoughts on what should the
[00:12:24] international. press Freedom organization should be doing as of
[00:12:27] now? yeah, you absolutely right, there should be more
[00:12:31] protection for the journalists who have been working in the occupied territories, because for the
[00:12:35] last few years we have seen how the Israeli
[00:12:39] occupied territories are the most dangerous place for
[00:12:43] journalists, they specifically mentioned Gaza that's the most dangerous place
[00:12:47] for journalists to function, then we had ICJ, rsf and all these
[00:12:51] organizations which are journalist organizing.
[00:12:55] talking about the thats that are
[00:12:59] being faced by journalists working in the occupied territories,
[00:13:03] we also them, we also had them issuing statements time and again, we had
[00:13:07] statements from RSF, journalist, syndicate from even different
[00:13:11] media houses, be be them in the region
[00:13:15] or the international media houses, but what we have been
[00:13:18] seeing on ground is that nothing substantial has happened,
[00:13:22] still the journalists work. in the occupied
[00:13:26] territories are facing threats every day, they are being persecuted, they
[00:13:30] are being killed, they are being tortured, they are families are being
[00:13:34] harassed, their houses are being destroyed, these
[00:13:38] organizations are meant to protect journalists, they are,
[00:13:42] they have not been made to just give the numbers of how many journalists have
[00:13:46] been killed or how many journalists are behind the bars
[00:13:49] in the so-called administrative detention the
[00:13:53] Israeli regime, they should be bring something on the ground when their main
[00:13:57] primary function is safeguard the
[00:14:00] journalists working a conflict zones, but as
[00:14:04] all the organizations the world, as the United
[00:14:07] Nations, as the international court of justice have
[00:14:11] failed to deliver anything on ground, similarly these organizations
[00:14:15] which have safeguard the security of
[00:14:18] journalists have also failed to do something on the ground, but
[00:14:22] now if they are serious about the security of
[00:14:26] journalists who are risking their lives specifically in
[00:14:30] the occupied territories to show to the world
[00:14:33] the uh the horrific face of Israeli crimes being committed
[00:14:36] in the occupied territories then these organizations would
[00:14:40] have to do something substantial all
[00:14:42] the substantial on the ground they can buycott the Israeli regime it's
[00:14:46] already pehraya state being regarded by the world
[00:14:50] population so byyoting them would not be something difficult it is a substantial
[00:14:54] step. that can be taken by these organizations, they can
[00:14:58] stop the journalists from Israel from
[00:15:01] covering international events, and through these
[00:15:05] steps and through this bicott they can
[00:15:09] maybe do something on the ground where these
[00:15:12] atrocities which are being committed against the Palestinian journalists
[00:15:16] would come to the four, the people the world would be able to know
[00:15:20] what the Israeli regime is doing to the journalists in the occupied
[00:15:23] territories. Thank
[00:15:26] you, Mr.
[00:15:29] Mr. before he left us, he was talking
[00:15:33] about different cases and the occupied west bank of people
[00:15:37] being... with no justification or reason
[00:15:40] whatsoever for more than six months, which
[00:15:43] is totally possible to be renewed, six months,
[00:15:47] six months and then another one, and it can go on as long as
[00:15:51] therey officials want. the question that i have, what should
[00:15:55] the family of hammed be looking? it depends on the
[00:15:59] cost of things and it depends on the course of things and the
[00:16:02] transformations about the investigation, the the
[00:16:06] Israel government. has two polices against the
[00:16:10] palestinians to by charging
[00:16:13] them or to give them
[00:16:16] charges or by
[00:16:20] accusing them the security actions against the
[00:16:24] Israel army settlers and after that they will transfer
[00:16:27] transfer them to administrative
[00:16:31] detention arbitrary detention without charges without
[00:16:34] trial just because the... secret
[00:16:38] information that they took against
[00:16:42] the prisoner and after that they will transfer him to
[00:16:46] the administrative detention for six year
[00:16:49] months or four months or three months and they have a
[00:16:53] right to renew
[00:16:56] these these
[00:16:59] months depends on their
[00:17:02] security informations and their coordination with the
[00:17:06] judge. judge inside the court, the they
[00:17:10] call kingaro court, they have kingaro court with the
[00:17:13] military judge by the way against the Palestinians,
[00:17:17] now the main charge for the Israeli
[00:17:21] government is incitement, incidement against their army,
[00:17:25] against their settlers, under this title they
[00:17:28] will transfer you to the administrative intention or
[00:17:32] to charge you and transfer
[00:17:36] you to the trial, these
[00:17:40] steps will depends on the
[00:17:43] transformation or the course of things inside
[00:17:47] the trial or investigation session or
[00:17:51] the recommendations from the intelligence office
[00:17:54] against the correspondent or anyone
[00:17:58] inside under their
[00:18:01] arrest and again mr alq
[00:18:05] as there was an incidement by the settlers and
[00:18:08] then the arrest ofmed correct me from wrong there, but there is
[00:18:12] a link between the settler incidement and violence and then
[00:18:16] an arrestment of a palestinian journalist
[00:18:20] by the
[00:18:20] IOF,
[00:18:24] Naqa has a US citizenship,
[00:18:28] maybe that will accelerate the majors
[00:18:31] in in her case to release
[00:18:35] her with conditions to... prevent her from cover
[00:18:38] coverage, to prevent her from travelling, to prevent her
[00:18:42] from going outside her home, it depends on the recommendations
[00:18:46] from the intelligence office, but I think
[00:18:49] recently they ignored the US
[00:18:53] citizenship, and we saw the the
[00:18:56] ambassador the US Hakavi when he
[00:18:59] visited, he declared it and
[00:19:03] he made it clear that he supports the...
[00:19:08] and he against the violence from the
[00:19:12] teenagers settlers, it's silly to think about
[00:19:16] this point, but with his principles, with
[00:19:19] his promises to to the Israeli entity, he
[00:19:23] declared these points and he didn't care about the
[00:19:26] citizens who hold who holdings
[00:19:30] holding the citizenship, the us
[00:19:33] citizenship, he didn't care about them and he asked them to
[00:19:39] without hesitation and he
[00:19:42] calls for coexistence with the settlers
[00:19:46] and he didn't ask about the
[00:19:49] citizenship them and their
[00:19:52] rights and
[00:19:56] who who who is a prisoner who is
[00:19:58] released, this is the pattern
[00:20:02] the us in the west bank when when it comes to the
[00:20:05] Israeli. relations, but they will
[00:20:09] give us sleep service as UK as other
[00:20:13] European countries to num us to mislead the
[00:20:17] international community that they are caring about the
[00:20:21] about holding the US citizenship, but holding the
[00:20:25] US citizenship, but in on
[00:20:28] on the field or the reality, they have
[00:20:32] nothing to do to save or to
[00:20:35] protect with it. with her citizenship, this is the
[00:20:39] point here, but let's see the that is my question
[00:20:43] investigation session
[00:20:47] and the recommendation the Israeli intelligent.
[00:20:51] don't forget that these resettlers incited
[00:20:53] against two weeks ago and they
[00:20:57] asked this real army to arrest her, but with the
[00:21:01] hair us citizenship, i think maybe they will
[00:21:05] release her with conditions to prevent her from
[00:21:09] coverage, to prevent her from travelling or to
[00:21:12] stay at her home
[00:21:14] for some period, sometime
[00:21:18] month or two months. but it depends on the recommendations
[00:21:22] the Israeli intelligence during the
[00:21:25] investigation sessions, if they have no
[00:21:28] charges, i think if they have no evidence by the
[00:21:32] way, i think they will go through another theory
[00:21:36] to transfer her to administrative detention under the text
[00:21:40] of having security informations against information against her
[00:21:43] or to release her with
[00:21:46] conditions, well definitely see a about that,
[00:21:50] Mr., I'm going to come back to you.
[00:21:53] Homira, the question that I wanted to ask you is, is
[00:21:57] Naga's case right here, an isolated incident,
[00:22:01] or does it fit into a broader pattern that we have been
[00:22:04] saying in nearly three years right now? It's not
[00:22:07] an isolated case obviously, as far as
[00:22:11] our analyst was talking about the US teasonship that Naka holds
[00:22:15] and that may help her, he is much more
[00:22:19] aware about. procedurees that the Israeli regime exercises and
[00:22:23] all that, but we have examples of Shirin Obu Akle
[00:22:27] and then we also have example of James Miller, both
[00:22:31] them were wester,
[00:22:33] I know Shireen had a US passport and James
[00:22:37] was a British citizen, but both them were
[00:22:40] killed by the Israeli army and it was
[00:22:44] deliberate killing, it was not something which was a misfire, they
[00:22:48] deliberately killed. both them as
[00:22:52] far as pattern goes for the last few years at least since
[00:22:56] 2023 uh we have been seeing
[00:22:59] how Israel has people has been persecuting
[00:23:03] the palestinian journalists the two cases i mentioned of shiren and
[00:23:07] james they were they were much before 2023 so if somebody
[00:23:11] think but after 2023 we have seen a manifold
[00:23:15] increase where now gaza and now
[00:23:19] west bank also has been declared as the most dangerous place
[00:23:23] for journalists to operate, july was
[00:23:26] the most dangerous month for journalists in the west bank
[00:23:30] where at least 108 journalists
[00:23:34] faced attacks from either settlers or from the
[00:23:38] Israeli army, so this the case of
[00:23:42] naka fits into the equation where hundreds of
[00:23:45] journalists are being attacked by settlers or by
[00:23:49] the Israeli army, they are being arrested, they are being interrogated,
[00:23:53] their press equipment is being destroyed and
[00:23:57] in the worst case they
[00:23:59] are even being killed, so it is not an isolated
[00:24:02] incident where our press tv colleague has been arrested, it
[00:24:06] is it is something which we have been
[00:24:09] seeing for the last three years, at least first we
[00:24:13] were seeing that in Gaza every day we had reports of journalists being
[00:24:17] killed every day, two or three journalists were killed.
[00:24:20] "and now we are have in
[00:24:24] the last few months been seeing this in the west bank also when the violence has
[00:24:28] increased in the west bank, the attacks on journalists
[00:24:31] have also increased. that's right,
[00:24:35] mr. it was natonyahu a couple of weeks
[00:24:39] ago that uh told the iof according to different reports that they should
[00:24:43] get ready um for waging a war
[00:24:47] on the occupied west bank ' the detention of journalists
[00:24:51] and um increase when it comes to the settler
[00:24:55] violence, the e1 settlement project, and
[00:24:59] also the tension that Israel regime is going through with some
[00:25:02] European countries, you can correct me uh if I'm wrong any of
[00:25:06] those points, your thoughts on all
[00:25:08] these, with the last detention,
[00:25:12] I think the Israely government showed us
[00:25:16] that it will go through more escalation.
[00:25:20] against the west bank and it will use the
[00:25:23] settlers to conduct
[00:25:26] more attacks, more violation
[00:25:30] to intimidate people and to scare them, to
[00:25:34] push them to leave their land, to install or to
[00:25:38] establish more illegal settlements to confiscate more land, this
[00:25:42] is a golden time, golden opportunity
[00:25:46] for the settlers and the Israeli coalition here we are talking about
[00:25:51] and their promises before the elections, this is
[00:25:54] the electoral campaigns to
[00:25:58] to to gain more votes
[00:26:02] to... more popularity at the expense the
[00:26:04] palestinians, by the way, the Israeli
[00:26:08] army who arrest, arrested, the Israeli
[00:26:12] army took support from the US
[00:26:15] administration, which
[00:26:19] naqa pays the taxes for, it's unbelievable, this
[00:26:23] is, this is critical point here
[00:26:26] that the taxes for the administration the us
[00:26:29] and after that the us supports the
[00:26:33] Israeli army to by
[00:26:37] giving them vehicles, weapons and now they are
[00:26:41] arresting naka who holds the citizenship
[00:26:45] the US in their vehicle that
[00:26:47] they took from the
[00:26:50] US. mr. in
[00:26:54] your previous response you also talked about um the it
[00:26:58] depends on the investigation by the isi regime, the question that i
[00:27:02] had is if there is genuine security concern
[00:27:06] against the case of hammed shouldn't have we
[00:27:10] seen at
[00:27:11] minor? i think they will
[00:27:15] intensify the investigation
[00:27:18] sessions to to to push her
[00:27:21] to admit of something
[00:27:25] about relations with the outlets from Iran
[00:27:28] or coverage that brought.
[00:27:32] more risks against the soldiers or settlers to
[00:27:36] to at least to convince the international community
[00:27:39] their detention, their policy, their
[00:27:43] operation against to b the way
[00:27:46] for put her on trial,
[00:27:49] this is their policy by the way against people to
[00:27:53] intimidate them, to raise the seading
[00:27:56] their charges to
[00:28:00] to to to put her under pressure under
[00:28:04] concerns to isolate her from
[00:28:07] the the world to think about her life, these ways,
[00:28:11] these tools that the Israeli government, the Israeli
[00:28:14] intelligence used against the
[00:28:17] Palestinians, day, day and night, time and
[00:28:21] again by the way, and now we will see their
[00:28:24] investigation, and I think her family called
[00:28:27] the embassy the US in Jerusalem
[00:28:31] to, make reaction to call the
[00:28:35] Israeli lazan office to
[00:28:39] to discuss this issue, but I think the Israeli
[00:28:42] government wanted to intimidate the journalists, wanted to send message to
[00:28:46] Iran that there is no way to
[00:28:50] to to to to give you any
[00:28:53] space to cover the field on
[00:28:57] the according to the incitement from the
[00:29:00] settlers, all these...
[00:29:05] all these choices on the table now or all these expectations on the
[00:29:08] table, but think it depends on the
[00:29:11] investigation sessions and
[00:29:14] what will tell them, what will
[00:29:18] admit, what will refuse, all
[00:29:22] these choices as told you on the
[00:29:25] table, and i think they will put more
[00:29:29] pressure on her to take some.
[00:29:32] information to to cover their
[00:29:36] detention, to cover their operation against her, to go to say,