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[00:01:45] Hello, of I'm Chris Williamson and this is Palestine Declassified
[00:01:49] in where we focus on the international struggle to liberate
[00:01:52] in Palestine and expose Israel's
[00:01:53] of efforts of to manipulate the political class
[00:01:55] of and corporate media. In today's show we'll be
[00:01:58] scrutinizing the way which the British State is abusing the UK's
[00:02:02] anti-terrorism laws to harass and intimidate journalists and
[00:02:06] pro-palestine political activists. But before I talk
[00:02:09] in about this abuse with our
[00:02:10] of resident experts and our invited guest, this report
[00:02:14] of explains how Muslims in particular have been targeted and highlights
[00:02:18] two specific examples of this
[00:02:19] crackdown. The British government's abuse
[00:02:23] of terrorism laws continues with the recent police detention of
[00:02:27] trainy lawyer and podcaster,
[00:02:30] of Kazmi, an active supporter
[00:02:32] of the Palestinian cause and the access of resistance. On the
[00:02:35] 25th of
[00:02:37] me August, on the way to his honeymoon, Kasme was stopped for several hours at
[00:02:41] London Heathro air police, who questioned him a police,
[00:02:44] who questioned him about Palestine, Iran and
[00:02:48] Lebanon. Kasme had appeared on Palestine declassified
[00:02:52] on many occasions and he recently travel to Iran to cover the
[00:02:55] funeral of Ayatollah Khaminai, Iran's martered
[00:02:59] leader. His detention is part of a broader picture of
[00:03:02] political activists and journalists, particularly Muslims
[00:03:06] being harassed in Britain on behalf
[00:03:08] of the Zionist regime. Palestine declassified resident
[00:03:12] expert, Professor David Miller, was also detained in questioned at
[00:03:16] London Heathro airport last year
[00:03:18] of after traveling back from Lebanon. These detentions, which
[00:03:22] affect thousands of people every year occur on the schedule
[00:03:26] 7
[00:03:26] of the terrorism act 2000. Under this...
[00:03:30] people can be stopped,
[00:03:32] of detained and subjected to highly intrusive questions, which
[00:03:36] typically cover political, and or religious beliefs and
[00:03:39] activities. anyone can be stopped under this legislation
[00:03:43] without any suspicion of wrongdoing. the aim of a
[00:03:46] schedule seven stop is supposedly to determine whether someone
[00:03:50] is involved in commissioning, preparing or instigating
[00:03:54] acts of
[00:03:56] me terrorism, but in practice it's used against pro-palestine political activis.
[00:04:00] journalist to intimidate and spy on them. In
[00:04:04] 2014, sample taken by students at Cambridge University
[00:04:08] reveal that 88% of those stopped on the schedule seven
[00:04:12] a particular airport were Muslim,
[00:04:14] of but these
[00:04:15] of intimidatory and spying tactics go far
[00:04:18] of beyond the Muslim community. In 2013, the late David
[00:04:22] Miranda was detained at Heathro airport for carrying
[00:04:26] files related to information obtained by the whistleblower.
[00:04:30] Edward Snowden and in April
[00:04:33] in 2023, in Ernest Murray
[00:04:35] of who works for the Independent Publishing House, Lafabr, was detained at
[00:04:39] St. Pankras international station while on his way to a London
[00:04:42] Bookfair. La
[00:04:44] of Fabric a produces of books like the holocous industry by Norman
[00:04:47] Finkelsten. Cozmi's recent
[00:04:50] a detention on the schedule seven highlights the need for continued vigilance
[00:04:54] and campaigning against Britain's terrorism
[00:04:56] of laws, in which are
[00:04:58] in increasingly being used to. and spy on
[00:05:01] pro-palestine activists inside the
[00:05:03] country. is joining
[00:05:07] me today to discuss what happened to him and to consider the wider
[00:05:11] ramifications
[00:05:12] a of these? intimidatory tactics amar is a political and legal
[00:05:15] commentator and the host the attration podcast. i'm also
[00:05:19] joined as usual by resident expert in the UK usual by resident expert
[00:05:23] in the UK's leading scholar and critic of Israel david mixer the lobby and watch dog
[00:05:27] spinwatch and a senior research fellow at the center for islam and global
[00:05:30] affairs Istanbul Zayim University. welcome to the
[00:05:33] show. well arm, I mean tell us what happened to to
[00:05:37] you and and the sorts of questions that you were asked. well, this all
[00:05:41] happened the day after my wedding, i was on the way with my
[00:05:45] wife to my honeymoon, i was at London Heathrow
[00:05:48] airport, and as i got to the gate to get onto
[00:05:52] the airplane, my boarding pass scanned red, i was taken to
[00:05:56] the side and uh there were three plain clothed police
[00:06:00] officers who said to me, oh we want to have a little bit of a chat with you,
[00:06:04] and i said uh, under what power uh, what's this all about? they said,
[00:06:08] oh, this is under schedule seven, and i actually completed the sentence for them, i said schedule seven
[00:06:12] the terrorism act, yes, I'm very familiar, because of course I've been in
[00:06:16] situations where I've assisted other people who've been stopped under this power and I'm very familiar
[00:06:20] with how these interviews go, what happens, so this wasn't a
[00:06:24] unique process that happened to me, it's happened to of course many thousands of
[00:06:27] people, and I have tried to learn from their experiences, so I think
[00:06:31] they thought that I was going to be very flustered, very shocked, very
[00:06:34] intimidated, but I wasn't at all, I was pretty composed, I have to
[00:06:38] say throughout the whole process, they then took me to room, they
[00:06:42] took my fingerprints, my g-degree photograph of my face, d-degree
[00:06:46] photograph of my face. uh, what the purpose
[00:06:50] is really of of taking all of this stuff, i don't know,
[00:06:53] because um, they've stopped me under this power for which they don't need any
[00:06:57] suspicion of wrong doing, so as far as i'm concerned, there's no suspicion that i have
[00:07:01] engaged any wrong-doing, so they have no suspicion that i'm engaged
[00:07:04] anything unlawful uh, so why they need all of this
[00:07:08] information uh is beyond me, i don't think it has anything to do with.
[00:07:12] stopping terrorism, it's all about trying to harass me, intimidate me, and
[00:07:16] of course to intimidate other people and to gather intelligence on
[00:07:20] people and to keep them under surveillance a very dictatorial,
[00:07:23] authoritarian way. uh, in terms the actual questions,
[00:07:27] I mean they didn't interestingly asking me about any specific
[00:07:31] organization, they didn't ask me about Hamas, Hisbullah,
[00:07:35] the IRGC, they spoke in very coded
[00:07:39] ways about men. of violence
[00:07:43] and groups that some people would consider to be
[00:07:47] terrorists, but they didn't actually ask anything specific about
[00:07:51] those groups, I think
[00:07:51] it was obvious which groups they were alluding
[00:07:54] to. I was also asked about my recent trip to the Islamic Republic of
[00:07:58] Iran, of course I attended Iran early this year
[00:08:01] to cover the funeral
[00:08:05] of um Iran's martered leader ayatullah Khamenei, and this
[00:08:09] was not something secret or covert, I was very... public about
[00:08:13] the fact that I was in Iran, I was publishing videos and reports from
[00:08:16] Iran on the ground, um, I was also asked
[00:08:20] about my trip to Lebanon last year where I covered the
[00:08:24] funeral of Sayid Hasan Nasarlah, and I
[00:08:28] should also just clarify this point that for both these trips
[00:08:32] I arranged my own visas, my own travel, I
[00:08:36] didn't, I was not the the lacky of
[00:08:39] any organization or government.
[00:08:42] 'um, I was free to travel and to
[00:08:46] do and say whatever I wanted to do and say, so no one was controlling me on either
[00:08:50] these trips, um, but basically they were trying to
[00:08:54] infer that or trying imply, sorry, that
[00:08:57] you know you were there and you were doing something defarious, probably on behalf of
[00:09:01] Hisballah or the irgc, which is of course completely uh ludicrous
[00:09:05] and there's no evidence at all for that, um, we also spoke a
[00:09:09] little bit about the Zionist entity and'
[00:09:12] and zionism and zionist infiltration in
[00:09:16] Britain, and I made that point actually, that really the threat here
[00:09:20] is zyanism, there's no threat
[00:09:24] to Britain from the Islamic Republic of Iran or Hizbullah, Hamas, all this
[00:09:28] stuff is completely preposterous, but really in terms the questions I was being
[00:09:31] asked, I really failed to see
[00:09:34] what any of it had to do with supposed terrorism, as far as I'm
[00:09:38] concerned, this was attempt to interrogate me and my
[00:09:42] will. view uh a deeply authoritarian way, a
[00:09:46] way that is reminiscent of some the worst dictatorships that the
[00:09:50] the planet has ever seen, and this is
[00:09:53] how so-called you know
[00:09:56] democratic Britain treats it citizens.
[00:10:00] well, David, I mean, you were also stopped weren't you, were last February on your way
[00:10:04] back from from Lebanon, back from from
[00:10:07] Lebanon, what was your experience similar to what amar
[00:10:11] went through? well, I think the uh cops
[00:10:14] in his case seemed a little bit better briefed than perhaps
[00:10:18] were the ones in my case, because what happened to me was that they
[00:10:22] clearly didn't have any idea who I was
[00:10:24] or why. said i had been bounced into uh stopping me
[00:10:28] by the fact that the zionist had clutched their purls and managed
[00:10:32] to get the telegraph and the mail to report
[00:10:35] that this very bad man was coming back from Beirut so I was stopped for four
[00:10:38] and for four and a half hours and uh they didn't really know what to ask
[00:10:42] me and uh they got progressively more and more embarrassing in
[00:10:46] their cross-examination of me so I think the comparison with the
[00:10:50] ar cases is instructive because it kind of looked like at least one
[00:10:53] the... cops in his case was a little bit better
[00:10:57] briefed on matters and was able to be a little bit more sophisticated, I mean the
[00:11:01] questions in my case involved things like saying well
[00:11:05] what about all this terrorism that's happening uh in the UK do
[00:11:09] your friends and colleagues support that and I said what terrorism and they said
[00:11:13] well the southport attack and I said well not even the police think
[00:11:17] that that was a terrorist attack and his colleague shame facedly
[00:11:21] said uh yeah that's correct and so it was just embarrass
[00:11:25] for them, but um,
[00:11:26] you know, I think
[00:11:27] you you can go into these um uh interviews and uh be scared that
[00:11:31] they're going to somehow interrogate you or bring things out that you
[00:11:35] don't want to say, but actually um my experience and it seems to some
[00:11:39] extent I'm ours is that uh the people who are doing the inter, the
[00:11:42] people who are doing the interrogations are not really up to the job and
[00:11:46] don't really understand the pol uh pin you pin you
[00:11:49] with, I know George Gaway was saying buse
[00:11:53] he was also stopped. wasn't he last last year and he's now
[00:11:57] in self-imposed exile is a consequence of that, but he was saying that they
[00:12:01] said to him, you're not under arrest, but you're not free to leave, and you must
[00:12:05] answer our questions, you can't reserve your right to remain
[00:12:09] silent, was was was that your experience as well? well yeah, that's the
[00:12:13] script, the standard script that they read to you and they actually give you a copy the script
[00:12:17] as well, that's the law, give you a copy the script as well, that's the law that
[00:12:20] you yes, are not being arrested, you're being detained and you have to answer
[00:12:24] the question. but of course you can also ask for legal advice, you can
[00:12:28] have your lawyer present or you can speak to your lawyer in advance, which is
[00:12:32] what happened with me, and they will advise you on what to see and what not to say,
[00:12:36] but you actually have to answer the questions, the other thing of course is that
[00:12:39] the answers you given the questions can't be used in evidence against you,
[00:12:43] so it's more or less about trying to gather
[00:12:47] insights for then further evidence
[00:12:49] to be gather, that of course is the
[00:12:50] real reason why people are stopped because they want to get their devices, they want to
[00:12:54] understand yes? yesuh who they know, who they message and
[00:12:57] whatsapp, and we've seen a case just recently where uh someone's
[00:13:01] being uh prosecuted for a supporting a prescribed
[00:13:05] organization, I think Hamas and instead
[00:13:08] of uh actually having any evidence against them, what they've done is the they've taken
[00:13:12] a speech that the person's made where they refer to Palestinian resistance
[00:13:16] etc. and they then tried to say what they really
[00:13:19] meant was Hamas, because when they looked at
[00:13:23] the whatsapp messages the... was a time when once upon a time they said
[00:13:27] something about Hamas, so it's an attempt to try and fit you up and to
[00:13:31] do also to find out who else
[00:13:33] you you're in touch with, yeah, crazy, crazy, well, well, I
[00:13:36] mean, you're a law obiding citizen, and I mean, and you've previously worked in in
[00:13:40] parliament, so why do you think the police decided to stop
[00:13:43] you? well, I think we have to ask, what exactly
[00:13:47] is all of this about, of course they don't believe that I'm involved in
[00:13:51] terrorism, um, as I mentioned earlier, there was no...
[00:13:55] suspicion that I have been engaged in terrorism and I have been engaged in
[00:13:58] terrorism and they don't need suspicion in order to use this about it, this is about
[00:14:02] harassment, if they of course if they believed that I
[00:14:06] was actually involved in some sort of terrorist financing,
[00:14:10] plotting, coordination, they would have arrested me
[00:14:14] and they would have charged me with something because I'm sure if they really thought
[00:14:18] I was a terrorist they'd be taking that very seriously, they wouldn't have just stopped at an airport and
[00:14:21] then let me go on my way afterwards. so the
[00:14:25] point of this principally in my view is about
[00:14:28] harassment, of course you mentioned the fact that I a
[00:14:32] law-abiding citizen here
[00:14:34] of parliamentary office chris and parliamentary office chris
[00:14:37] and by the British intelligence services by the British
[00:14:41] Intelligence services in order to be able to do that, so at
[00:14:45] some point Britain thought that I was not a security threat and now they've
[00:14:48] decided that I am um for some reason,
[00:14:52] obviously we know what the reason is, it's because I support palestine and I support
[00:14:56] the axis of resistance uh that doesn't mean that
[00:14:59] I'm uh somehow trying to undermine British interests, actually I
[00:15:03] think that Britain's interests will be better served by being allies
[00:15:07] the Islamic Republic of Iran, the access of resistance of Palestine and
[00:15:11] of cutting diplomatic relations and all relations with the Zionist
[00:15:14] entity. Um, that's my personal point of
[00:15:18] view. Um, and look,
[00:15:21] the the point these stops of course also, addition to harassment is about trying. to
[00:15:25] obtain intelligence from people, because when you're in
[00:15:29] that position, they have really extreme powers
[00:15:33] that they don't have in other circumstances, so let's say you get
[00:15:37] rest. and the police take you to a police
[00:15:41] station, they don't have an automatic right to
[00:15:44] demand the pin code to devices that you may have on you, to
[00:15:48] devices that you may have on you order to do that,
[00:15:51] and the order
[00:15:52] to do that, and then in order to get that warrant they of course need to have some
[00:15:56] suspicion of wrong doing that maybe there's data on this device that will assist a
[00:16:00] police investigation, under schedule 7 they don't need any
[00:16:04] of that suspicion, they can.
[00:16:08] right there and then that you give them the pass code to
[00:16:12] your phone, they can then enter your phone, build a
[00:16:15] picture of your your personal network, this is all
[00:16:19] about intelligence gathering and community
[00:16:22] surveillance, and i think it's also about sending a
[00:16:25] signal that we as the British
[00:16:29] intelligence services, we as SO15 the Metropolitan
[00:16:33] police, we're keeping an eye on you, and this is about
[00:16:36] trying to... tur um any future work
[00:16:40] or future activism that someone might want to be
[00:16:43] engaging and that's not going to work, it's not going to work
[00:16:47] against me certainly if they think that uh by stopping
[00:16:51] me
[00:16:51] at at an airport and by questioning me and looking through
[00:16:55] my
[00:16:56] you know devices that I'm going to get scared and
[00:16:59] intimidated by them and I'm going to therefore stop speaking out, I'm
[00:17:03] going to stop publishing, I'm going to stop appearing uh on programs like...
[00:17:07] palestiny classified, i'm going to abandon the palestinian cause,
[00:17:11] then they have another thing coming, and i think
[00:17:13] that that should be everyone's attitude who stopped under
[00:17:17] this power, and thankfully it is. mean, of course, professor David Miller, the
[00:17:21] resident expert the show, was also stopped under this power and he's still going strong, and i very
[00:17:25] much commend you, David for that. um,
[00:17:28] and we have to understand
[00:17:32] that uh, this power is not
[00:17:35] about genuinely. trying to interrogate or to stop
[00:17:39] terrorism, it's about harassment, and once you understand that, I
[00:17:43] think that that gives lot of confidence. Well, David,
[00:17:46] I mean it seems these laws are
[00:17:47] are being weaponized by the Zies to to shut down support for for
[00:17:51] Palestine in the access of resistance, I mean is that fair
[00:17:55] assessment, do you think? Well, you say weaponize and of
[00:17:58] course the zionists are trying to weaponize them, they're trying to
[00:18:02] push the police uh to arrest people who shouldn't
[00:18:06] otherwise bear. many these cases now we've seen
[00:18:10] have been the result of pressure put
[00:18:14] on the police or the home office or MI5
[00:18:17] by zionist groups
[00:18:19] you identified zionist groups UK for Israel campaign against anti-semitism
[00:18:23] etc. in my case of course the CA is taking a private prosecution
[00:18:27] against me because the police declined to prosecute me because i
[00:18:31] hadn't broker any laws so that's how that works but when you say weaponize
[00:18:35] it's not correct in another sense the legislation.
[00:18:37] is itself a weaponization, it's not that they are abusing the
[00:18:41] legislation, the legislation actually makes it illegal to
[00:18:45] voice support for an organization in the sense of
[00:18:48] analyzing the activities of say hamas or palestinan islamic
[00:18:52] jihad or hisb and and saying things which might be said
[00:18:56] to be sympathetic to those organizations, now they don't really
[00:19:00] believe that we're going to set up a Glasgow branch of
[00:19:04] Hezbulah or the south London branch of Hamas, believe that's good to happen at
[00:19:08] all, but that is the implication the legislation and legislation is drawn so
[00:19:12] widely that it can catch anyone who who says something
[00:19:15] ill-advised or or or loose about about hamas or
[00:19:19] PIG or whatever, but and that even by
[00:19:23] itself in the terrorism act 2000 didn't work, so they had to
[00:19:26] actually uh make the offenses even broader, so it's
[00:19:30] not just about supporting a prescribed organization, it's using words which might be
[00:19:34] interpreted as supporting such an organization, so the real time to kind of
[00:19:38] run a dragnet through society which doesn't allow people to speak
[00:19:42] openly about uh matters of political
[00:19:44] violence. would it be a stretch then to to
[00:19:48] say that the legislation then has been weaponized on
[00:19:51] behalf the the zinish lobby? well I don't think that's
[00:19:55] unfair but the legislation itself was put in
[00:19:59] place uh in part by pressure from the zionist
[00:20:02] movement way back in the in the day, I mean the original
[00:20:06] legislation you. was the prevention of terrorism brackets
[00:20:09] temporary provisions act in 1974 and it had to
[00:20:13] be had to be formally agreed by parliament every
[00:20:17] single year as result it was temporary until 2000
[00:20:21] when they made it permanent and of course the way in which they made it permanent
[00:20:24] started to prescribe other organizations was as result of
[00:20:28] zionist movement lobbing that's why we started to have this
[00:20:32] ridiculous list of organizations nothing to do with with britain
[00:20:36] because the original list was only. organizations and they've started
[00:20:39] to add on all these palestinian groups, which of course nobody's going to start a
[00:20:43] branch of of those organizations in this country, that's what the legislation kind
[00:20:47] of assumes, so it's extended and extended. so legislation
[00:20:51] itself has been put in place with the under pressure from the zionis and then the
[00:20:55] zionits wanted to go even further than that, yes right, yes
[00:20:58] indeed, well well am I, I mean, you're you're training to be a lawyer, aren't
[00:21:02] you? do you think the British terrorism laws are really
[00:21:05] designed to to stop terrorism? look, I think
[00:21:09] objectively speaking, you could say that Britain's uh
[00:21:12] terrorism laws have some relation to trying to
[00:21:16] stop so-called terrorism uh because...
[00:21:20] "you know, obviously they've designated various groups that I think everyone would
[00:21:24] agree on the various groups that shouldn't be being financed, shouldn't
[00:21:28] be being supported any way, shape or form, alqaida,
[00:21:31] ISIS uh, things like that. Um, the
[00:21:35] problem is though, that the definition of
[00:21:38] terrorism is basically now meaningless, at least from legal
[00:21:42] standpoint. The classic understanding was that
[00:21:45] terrorism is the use of violence by non-state
[00:21:49] actors. in order to achieve political ends, but
[00:21:52] firstly what is violence, right? so the idea of what violence
[00:21:56] is has been expanding, now we have you a non-violent direct
[00:22:00] action network here in Britain called palestine action being prescribed as
[00:22:04] a terrorist organization, we have people holding placards saying that they
[00:22:08] oppose genocide, that they support palacing action being arrested,
[00:22:12] 80-year-old priests, disabled
[00:22:16] people who are just protesting that being charged under the...
[00:22:20] terrorism act, so uh, what is the meaning of violence,
[00:22:23] what is the meaning of terrorism? and um, even when
[00:22:27] it comes to the classic understanding of terrorism about state
[00:22:31] bodies, well they're now prescribing state
[00:22:34] bodies like the uh IRGC um, which state, but
[00:22:38] now that's been classed as a state, but now that's been classed as a terrorist
[00:22:42] organization here in Britain. I mean, you kind of had that already with the prescription
[00:22:46] of Hamas's political wing and of Hisbullah's political wing. 'hamas of
[00:22:50] course being the elected government of Gaza, Hisbullah having two ministers
[00:22:54] in the Lebanese government, so in some ways you could say those are also
[00:22:58] sort of state actors, but with the prescription the IOGC it's
[00:23:01] even clearer, so um, this
[00:23:05] is basically about fulfilling zionist wishes, this
[00:23:09] is zoonist lobbying, zionist pressure, zionist
[00:23:12] infiltration uh, which is really damaging
[00:23:16] Britain uh, Britain Britain's interests, indeed it's standing across'.
[00:23:20] the world, people just look at Britain now, I think, what's going on
[00:23:23] there, it's absolutely absurd, they're calling everyone and everything uh, a
[00:23:27] terrorist, so um, what they ought to be doing, and I made this point in
[00:23:31] my interview is Britain should be, like if we're going to have this terrorism apparatus
[00:23:35] and it's going to mean anything, Britain should be prescribing
[00:23:38] zionist organizations, they should be confiscating their funds, shutting
[00:23:42] them down, and of course Britain should be detaining and
[00:23:46] charging anyone going from Britain to fire.
[00:23:50] in the Israel occupation forces and we know that thousands of British Jews have done
[00:23:54] that, those people need to be tracked, followed,
[00:23:57] imprisoned uh, and they should be facing very large
[00:24:01] sentences in prison, and I think also Britain and the British
[00:24:04] intelligence services ought to be far more concerned about false flag
[00:24:08] terrorism coming from the mossad than they should about you,
[00:24:12] ficticious Iranian, lebanese or Palestinian
[00:24:14] terrorism uh, which
[00:24:17] you know there's really no evidence for and is not a threat to... person, well
[00:24:21] David, I mean, we've discussed this on on previous shows,
[00:24:24] but this seems to be further circumstantial evidence that the
[00:24:28] British intelligence services and police have been penetrated
[00:24:31] essentially, influenced by the cienist lobby, isn't
[00:24:35] it? well, it does look like that, and of course it
[00:24:39] looks like that going back some some considerable distance in history, but in
[00:24:42] only the recent past, we've seen all sorts of
[00:24:46] nonsense spouted by, especially by MIF.
[00:24:50] about the threats that are faced by this country, of course they do in
[00:24:54] relation to Russia and to China as well, but in particular
[00:24:58] threat from the alleged threat from Iran, and that's of course
[00:25:01] why they prescribed the IRGC, it's supposed to be running
[00:25:05] agents and running operations in the UK, which of course manifestly
[00:25:09] isn't, but the reason that they say this is not just
[00:25:13] because they're incompetent and ideological, it's also because they're being
[00:25:16] pressured by the mosad and given information. "the mossad were
[00:25:20] the ones who supplied the information about this new pro Iran terror
[00:25:24] group, which of course doesn't exist, which has been made up in order that they could
[00:25:28] prescribe the IRGC, in order they could pass millions
[00:25:31] of more public money to zionist lobby groups, which themselves have close
[00:25:35] connections with the mosad, so yeah the whole thing is a scam uh, but
[00:25:39] the but we're not allowed to say that because apparently that would be
[00:25:42] antisemitic, no indeed, mean of course amar as he was saying there,
[00:25:46] mean they didn't think he was actually a terrorist and i think he he's..." "I
[00:25:50] think you what you're saying that this is really about you,
[00:25:54] intimidation and
[00:25:55] and and just fishing exercise, well of course it is, I mean I
[00:25:59] mean you, I've been stopped by the police uh way back." when
[00:26:03] when the the pass and ingreats weren't even
[00:26:06] prescribed going to Ireland and that that was just all
[00:26:09] about one time they said well you can go less now off we go on the boat
[00:26:13] quick it's going to shot soon and they knew it was already shot they just did it to to
[00:26:17] annoy us you know that's the long history the special branch
[00:26:21] sure sure no indeed indeed indeed well I'm afraid that's what we got time
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[00:26:52] bye for
[00:26:52] now.
[00:27:10] نحن الحمد لله بنصبر ابنائنا
[00:27:13] بنصبرهم على ان شاء الله بنقول لهم يما بيصير
[00:27:17] مستقبل قدامكم احسن من هذه الحياه اللي نحن
[00:27:20] عايشينها بس نحن لازم نصبر على هذا
[00:27:24] لانه هذا بلاء والحمد لله من رب العالمين بدنا الصبر
[00:27:28] نصبر عشان ان شاء الله الاحتلال مش
[00:27:31] حيدوم. she has been displaced 15 times, honestly it's
[00:27:35] easy to say that, you can't even begin to imagine what it means to be displaced 15
[00:27:39] times. the problem with western feminism, i
[00:27:42] think is more that it doesn't link the struggle of
[00:27:46] for example, palestine, Iran, wherever, to the
[00:27:50] Iran, wherever, to the fight against imperialism, and if
[00:27:53] you don't fight against imperialism, then
[00:27:57] uh the
[00:27:58] problem.
[00:28:02] Yeah!
[00:29:00] Behind the cold lifeless. statistics of war, lifeless
[00:29:04] statistics of war, lie human faces, each one's a
[00:29:08] world of life, laughter and unfulfilled dreams earth
[00:29:12] was reduced in a single instant a picture frame a
[00:29:16] wall. one of those names is Elijah Khatami, a
[00:29:19] 12-year-old boy from the city of Lamer, full of
[00:29:22] vitality, sharp-witted and with smile that never left
[00:29:26] his face, like many boys his age across the globe, he had a
[00:29:29] dream, he loved football, he would erupt... with joy with his
[00:29:33] team one cheer for Cristiano Ronaldo and lose himself in
[00:29:37] the sheer thrill of chasing ball, yet deep in his
[00:29:41] young heart, even bigger dream had taken root. he
[00:29:45] wanted to be firefighter, to run into the flames and save
[00:29:49] lives. his father still vividly recalls the day he dressed
[00:29:53] him an oversized firefighter uniform, handing him
[00:29:56] extinguisher as Elia's eyes sparkled with the
[00:30:00] passion to put out fires and rescue.
[00:30:02] people, but the fire that engulfed this land was not
[00:30:06] meant to be extinguished, nor did it leave any room for rescue and
[00:30:10] devastating war waged by the US and Israel, the dreams of
[00:30:13] generations collapsed in the blink of an eye. on
[00:30:17] February 28th, the first day of war, it was on that very
[00:30:21] afternoon as Elia thrilled by the school break, tied
[00:30:25] his football clates and stepped outside with light, eager
[00:30:28] steps that the terrifying roar of air strikes tore through the...
[00:30:32] sky his father running desperately through gridlocked panicked.