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[00:00:11] There's of lots of speculation that the U.S. will conduct a short,
[00:00:15] intense renewal
[00:00:16] of the Iran war after the US mid-term elections this
[00:00:20] week, that's on November 3. John,
[00:00:24] why would Trump do so given that the overwhelmingly unpopular
[00:00:27] war, and it's been that way, before February 28,
[00:00:31] why would he do so when the unpopular war
[00:00:35] of helps explain um why the Republicans
[00:00:38] and Donald Trump himself are so
[00:00:41] in unpopular?
[00:00:42] of well, it's not clear that he will actually attack Iran
[00:00:46] even after the elections,
[00:00:50] lots of people have said that we have no military
[00:00:54] option here, and a three-day bombing campaign
[00:00:58] is not going to accomplish with a full 40 day bombing campaign did not
[00:01:02] of accomplish at the beginning of this conflict, and if you listen to
[00:01:06] number
[00:01:07] of the people around him, Scott Bessent for example,
[00:01:10] they're not interested in
[00:01:12] a going to war. Bessant wants to rely on economic
[00:01:16] strangulation and the blockade is the best way to defeat
[00:01:20] of Iran, because Besson surely understands
[00:01:23] a there is no military option here, so it's not clear
[00:01:27] he'll go, but if he does go... "it will
[00:01:31] not uh have a
[00:01:32] in happy ending as the Iranians have made clear to
[00:01:36] him, and is, I would say most analysts
[00:01:40] in the west now understand, we
[00:01:43] of just say these th these wave of strikes do take place,
[00:01:47] as many media outlets are publishing stories in the course
[00:01:51] of the last week, that's what they're suggesting, what many people in Washington see as an
[00:01:55] increasingly weak regime in Tehran, could these
[00:01:58] strikes muscle them to the?" " negotiating table and make more
[00:02:02] concessions, well tom, they're at the negotiating table, they're actually
[00:02:06] at the table right now, they
[00:02:07] a were at the table september when they were at the
[00:02:10] UN, I don't think Trump
[00:02:14] is necessarily looking for concessions as much as
[00:02:18] he's looking for capitulation, and I don't see capitulation in the
[00:02:22] of cards at all, and as John correctly pointed out, there's really
[00:02:26] no good reason to believe that the next round.
[00:02:30] produce things dramatically different from what the first round and the second
[00:02:34] round failed to produce, and when you take a look at the second round, it's really
[00:02:37] astonishing to me, what on earth was that? there was no new
[00:02:41] strategy,
[00:02:42] no new target system, no new thinking,
[00:02:47] of of nothing, but nevertheless us went back at something that had already proven to be a
[00:02:50] failure, so I fear that
[00:02:52] of if there is a third round, there's a likelihood that Trump will do
[00:02:55] exactly what he has said he would do, and
[00:02:58] of what the Israelis have been very... explicit, which is
[00:03:01] of to go after infrastructure, critical infrastructure, energy
[00:03:05] of infrastructure,
[00:03:06] in and hope that that one way or
[00:03:08] in another will bring the government to its knees, I very much
[00:03:11] of doubt it,
[00:03:12] of because the messaging from the Iranian side has
[00:03:15] been really quite remarkable in the sense
[00:03:19] that they longer, meaning that in this type of scenario they will not respect any type
[00:03:23] of red lines, they're saying that there is no geographic
[00:03:26] limitations to the war any longer and and they make... It's
[00:03:30] a very clear that they will strike at Europe as well if Europe ends
[00:03:34] of up providing logistical support for
[00:03:36] of the of United States, so I think both sides are now really gone to the
[00:03:40] brink
[00:03:40] of the abys, making the most
[00:03:44] aggressive
[00:03:45] of threats that we've seen so far, and right now they are still
[00:03:48] talking each other indirectly in Doha to see if there
[00:03:52] is a possibility to walk it back, because reality is it
[00:03:56] will be an absolute lose, lose, lose. "if the
[00:04:00] United States and Trump goes, if the United States and Trump
[00:04:04] of goes forward with this third round in that manner, the only potential
[00:04:08] winner, at least in their own minds, I don't think ultimately will be good for them either, but in
[00:04:12] their own minds, are these Israelis and particularly
[00:04:15] the the current prime minister whose future of course is uncertain at this
[00:04:18] point. John, Treta, I, I
[00:04:22] think if this plays itself out in terms of
[00:04:26] real escalation, you get a real war, I think the Iranians win."
[00:04:30] uh, I think it will devastate uh, what's left
[00:04:34] of the American military infrastructure in the region, uh,
[00:04:38] will inflict great damage uh, on the Arab
[00:04:42] states, their allied with the United States,
[00:04:45] uh, and uh, this will work to
[00:04:49] Iran's advantage, uh, and I would just add to
[00:04:53] that, that it'll do significant damage, if not grave damage to the
[00:04:56] international economy. You want to remember that the Iranian.
[00:05:00] of are talking about tearing up those seven internet
[00:05:03] of cables that run underneath the Persian
[00:05:05] of Gulf, they're talking about going after 20 trillion dollars worth of
[00:05:09] data centers in the region, they're telling the... americans who
[00:05:13] seem to want to hit pet pickax mountain that if
[00:05:17] we hit pickaxe mountain they're going to hit demona.
[00:05:21] the Iranians are playing hard ball here. i think what's happened trida is the
[00:05:24] Iranians have figured out more and more as time goes by
[00:05:28] that they have much more leverage than they realized at the
[00:05:32] beginning of this war. and my view is that if a war
[00:05:36] actually breaks out and we have serious set of
[00:05:39] exchanges between the two sides, the Iranians will... end up
[00:05:43] on the winning side, are they going to suffer a lot of damage? yes they
[00:05:46] are, but are they the point? that's the point, that's
[00:05:50] the on, they absolutely have that confidence
[00:05:54] that at the end the day if it comes to this, they believe that
[00:05:58] they will fair better uh than the United States because of tremendous
[00:06:02] damage they will do to the US, US bases,
[00:06:05] uh, US ships, this time around, there's a debate going on in Ivan in which
[00:06:09] the criticism that the Ivans didn't strike at the... american warships
[00:06:13] in the Persian Gulf or outside the Persian Gulf, they claim to have the
[00:06:16] technology, there's a high likelihood that they do have the technology, and they probably
[00:06:20] could have sunk a couple of American warships, they didn't go that uh far
[00:06:24] in the previous rounds, and there's some elements inside of Ivan that criticizes the
[00:06:28] governor for not having done so, so I I do agree with you that there will be a
[00:06:32] tremendous amount of damage, but I think it's important to recognize the Iranians are
[00:06:36] not looking forward to this, they're not opting for this because they
[00:06:40] recognize that they too will suffer. tremendous tremendous
[00:06:43] costs in such a war, so for instance,
[00:06:47] last weekend the Israelis actually breached Iranian
[00:06:50] airspace, and the Iranians chose not to
[00:06:53] respond, and incidentally there were also two attacks in Tabris against
[00:06:57] radar sites, they still didn't respond, and the only explanation I can
[00:07:01] see and based on conversations I've had is that they viewed it as a
[00:07:04] trap, that this was something the Israelis were doing, they were hoping for the
[00:07:08] Iranians to respond and by that force Trump's hand and make sure.
[00:07:12] that there would be a third round and even if the Iranians believe that they will do better than
[00:07:16] the US and it
[00:07:17] it will still be tremendously costly for them and this
[00:07:21] is I think also very important aspect from the Israeli
[00:07:24] standpoint the way they're looking at these things is that
[00:07:28] they're not looking at strategic victories in the same way that the US
[00:07:32] is, instead they're just looking at the tally of how much things have
[00:07:36] been damaged in Iran and how far Iran has been set back in
[00:07:40] years, the Israeli for... defense ministry on Israeli TV
[00:07:44] said that we're going to set them back to the stone age or at least 40 years
[00:07:48] in this next round, and I think this reflects very important
[00:07:52] difference between the US and Israel, frankly most countries in Israel, the
[00:07:56] Israelis look at the images the massive destruction in
[00:07:59] Gaza, and in that they see victory, they see
[00:08:02] strategic strategic achievement, the rest the world just sees
[00:08:05] horror and and meaningless destruction, even Benny Guns
[00:08:09] in his 2018 campaign video. showed
[00:08:13] images the destruction he had inflicted in Gaza, and then this
[00:08:17] is supposed to be one the more dovish people in the
[00:08:21] Israeli political
[00:08:21] spectrum.
[00:08:26] destruction and the manner that you said countries back years is the
[00:08:30] strategic objective. I've never seen any American official or
[00:08:33] military personnel look at or show images of destruction in
[00:08:37] Mosul and used a metric of American success, but the
[00:08:41] Israelis do this. and as result they will happily welcome
[00:08:45] any such confrontation, even if the Iranians inflict more damage on the
[00:08:49] US than the US inflicts on Iran, it will nevertheless set
[00:08:52] Iran back decades, and that's a win for the Israelies.
[00:08:56] John, well, I think that if
[00:09:00] you have major conflict along the lines that we're
[00:09:04] describing, it will do enormous damage to
[00:09:08] Israel as well as to the United States as well as
[00:09:12] to... Iran: the international economy is going to be
[00:09:15] badly damaged and Israel is integrated into the
[00:09:19] international economy as is the United States. uh,
[00:09:23] furthermore, the Iranians will go to great lengths to
[00:09:26] target uh oil infrastructure, maybe even nuclear
[00:09:30] infrastructure inside of Israel, they will punish
[00:09:34] Israel greatly. Israel will not get off Scott Frey
[00:09:38] if the Israelis and the Americans attack Iran.
[00:09:42] "the more general point that I would make Treta is that it's important
[00:09:46] to understand that from Iran's point of view they are up against the mortal
[00:09:49] enemy, they're up against the United States and Israel, which are
[00:09:53] bent on destroying Iran, and the only way you deal with
[00:09:57] adversaries like the United States and Israel, as
[00:10:01] you is that you play hard ball, you have no choice, and if you
[00:10:05] have to go to the brink, you go to the brick, but the idea that you can
[00:10:09] negotiate in Doha and you can convince the United States and Israelis
[00:10:13] to give you a sweetheart deal or deal that's kind of okay,
[00:10:17] i just don't think it works that way. if you don't play hard wall
[00:10:21] now, they'll come back at you later. so i think the Iranians have.
[00:10:25] deep-seated interest in making United States and
[00:10:28] Israel pay a significant price, if they can do that without a
[00:10:32] war, all for the better, but they have to make
[00:10:36] Israel and the United States pay a real price to get the
[00:10:40] kind of deal they need to make something happen like the
[00:10:43] memorandum of understanding of 17
[00:10:46] June. Let's
[00:10:48] talk, so
[00:10:51] uh clearly they are playing hard ball, what the rec'. Izing
[00:10:55] the John is that um the cost so
[00:10:59] far on the US, setting aside what
[00:11:03] Trump may or may not do right now, given
[00:11:05] the fact that Trump is too heavily invested in this and he doesn't have the ability
[00:11:09] of recognizing when he really should stop, is that I find it
[00:11:13] very unlikely that any future American president
[00:11:17] will think about a war with Iran again and make
[00:11:20] you know empty, needless threats
[00:11:24] against Iran. militarily as we have seen almost every previous American
[00:11:27] m president do, so I think the Iranians see that
[00:11:31] already having been achieved, but you're quite right, they going to play very hard ball and they clearly are
[00:11:35] right now in Doha as well, with Israelies it's very different and you and I
[00:11:39] had that conversation in another podcast after the June war in
[00:11:43] which again the Iranians did afflict a lot of pain on the Israelis
[00:11:46] and many thought that as result the Israelies wouldn't go at Iran again and
[00:11:50] my argument was on the contrary, it's precisely because the Iranians and for that that
[00:11:54] these... would go back to war with Ivan, because they want to live a neighborhood in
[00:11:58] which no one will be able to have any type of deterrance against
[00:12:02] Israel. Israel's ability to be secure is for everyone else to be
[00:12:06] insecure, and as long as Trump is still in the white house,
[00:12:09] which has that level of control, which may only be till
[00:12:12] January depending on what happens on Tuesday, I think the Israelis will continue to push for
[00:12:16] that war, and particularly if the prime minister's name is Netanyahu, he certainly will, not to
[00:12:20] say that the others will be dramatically different, but he has a
[00:12:24] particular. drive for this issue, so I think he will continue to
[00:12:28] push, and again the Israelis you're quite right, they suffer too, and
[00:12:32] they will certainly suffer, and they have had massive military
[00:12:35] censorships that doesn't allow us
[00:12:37] to see what they actually suffered, but their calculation is, if they don't suffer now,
[00:12:41] they'll suffer more down the road, much more, if the Iranians are
[00:12:45] allowed to be major power in region. the
[00:12:49] Iranian, mean the israelis can push all they want, their
[00:12:52] situation does not improve. move over
[00:12:55] time, the Israelis are in deep
[00:12:59] trouble, Iran has an incredibly formidable
[00:13:03] array of ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and
[00:13:06] drones, and that array is only going to get more potent
[00:13:10] with time. furthermore, in terms the nuclear issue, there's no
[00:13:13] evidence you're going to get settlement on the nuclear issue anytime soon,
[00:13:17] and further more, the Iranians have very powerful
[00:13:21] incentives to acquire nuclear weapons their own. Say...
[00:13:25] point I'd make to you is you're saying that the Iranians,
[00:13:29] given what's happened so far, are a very good
[00:13:32] position, because it's means that any
[00:13:36] future president
[00:13:37] the United States will not attack Iran down the
[00:13:41] road the way President Trump did on February 28th, that's correct, but the
[00:13:44] Iranians have a bigger set of goals than just preventing the United
[00:13:48] States from attacking, they want the sanctions taken off, they want
[00:13:52] reparations, they want their... frozen assets
[00:13:56] return, they want American military forces out the region. You know
[00:14:00] what's in the 17 June memorandum of understanding, that's their
[00:14:04] list of demands, and the question is, what do they have to do to
[00:14:08] realize almost all of those demands? And the answer is,
[00:14:11] they have to play hard ball if they want to achieve those
[00:14:15] goals. Let's talk about the uh negotiations in
[00:14:19] Doha, because all this comes a time when we hear that the vice president
[00:14:22] J.D. Vance uh has written. directly to a senior Iranian
[00:14:26] security official, i think he was a former commander the the
[00:14:30] revolutionary guards and vances proposing these
[00:14:33] negotiations, comprehensive peace negotiations, which raises the question
[00:14:37] to what extent is the administration in Washington
[00:14:40] divided over this issue,
[00:14:42] I mean John earlier mentioned the treasury secretary Scott Beson
[00:14:46] preferring to keep in place the naval blockade design to strangle the
[00:14:49] Iranian regime, you've obviously got Vance, apparently was against the war from the
[00:14:53] outset, he was a supporter of... the memorandum of understanding, to
[00:14:57] what extent does this show that Washington itself or the administration
[00:15:01] itself is divided on how to deal with Iran, increasing the
[00:15:05] strikes or peace negotiations treater, I think I think
[00:15:09] it's a very important question, you're asking Tom and far more important than the question that
[00:15:13] oftentimes is asked, which is how divided is Iran, and Iran has its
[00:15:17] divisions, but it's been very clear on this issue and this iteration of
[00:15:21] it, that the divisions are far deeper on the American side '
[00:15:25] "I don't think Rubio ever was in favor of any the negotiations, I
[00:15:29] don't, it doesn't fit with his long pass a neocon to want to
[00:15:33] have any kind of deal with Iran. I think we saw very clearly how aggressively..."
[00:15:37] acted against the MOU as soon as it was signed, both pressing the
[00:15:41] GCC to go along adopt a position on the straight that
[00:15:45] was simply not workable and simultaneously striking this
[00:15:48] trilateral agreement between Israel, the United States and Lebanon that
[00:15:52] completely contradicted Mou. I think Bestant has always been
[00:15:56] far more favorable towards these kind of economic warfare, although we
[00:16:00] know very clearly economic warfare has tendency to far
[00:16:04] more likely lead to military warfare than to anything else. uh and then of
[00:16:08] course you have Hegset and others who have also been more on the hawker side.
[00:16:11] Vans is one the few inside that has really been willing to be major
[00:16:15] champion for diplomacy. I think what they're seeing now though is
[00:16:19] that again this is not going to be around one or around two, this is going
[00:16:23] to be something far far more um devastating that we've seen
[00:16:27] before, and I think it has caused a lot of different people in the administration to have some
[00:16:31] pause. I think the fundamental problem though is with Trump himself.
[00:16:35] Trump is looking for some think that still will turn this into a
[00:16:39] win and I don't think that simply is in the cars any longer. Yeah, John,
[00:16:42] these deep divisions in the administration that we're talking about here, what do you make of
[00:16:46] that? I mean, doesn't that hurt any prospect of getting
[00:16:50] revised memorandum of understanding, which presumably vance
[00:16:53] once? Yes, but this supports my point that I was making
[00:16:57] against Trita before,
[00:16:59] that this is why the Iranians have to play hard ball, you can't trust the
[00:17:03] Americans. Yeah, yeah.
[00:17:07] disagree on that point, the point is is not that whether they should or
[00:17:11] shouldn't play hard ball, they clearly are playing hard ball. the question though, i
[00:17:15] think is do you want to play hard ball because
[00:17:19] you want to go to a third round because the calculation that Iran will do
[00:17:23] better in that third round of war, or do you want to play hard ball because you
[00:17:26] want to get deal that ensures that there is no third round in the first place and that you
[00:17:30] secure all of your other interests. my point is that even if the
[00:17:34] Iranians believe that they will do better in the US in the third round. "all
[00:17:37] evidence shows that they're not looking for that type of a third round, they know very
[00:17:41] well that it will be devastating for them as well, and as
[00:17:44] resultting table right now rather than to win atting table right
[00:17:48] now rather than to win at the uh battlefield.
[00:17:52] John, I think Trita, the
[00:17:55] Iranians would prefer to get new
[00:17:59] version the June 17th memorandum of
[00:18:02] understanding without going to war, and I think that's an effect what
[00:18:06] you're saying." "and I agree with that, maybe they'll get
[00:18:10] it, I think the administration is getting cold feet, and at the same
[00:18:14] time I do think the administration is increasingly
[00:18:17] desperate, so they may win without, the
[00:18:21] Iranians may win without a war, but my point is,
[00:18:25] if that doesn't happen, then going to war is better than
[00:18:28] not going to war, because I think from Rand's point of
[00:18:32] view, you have to understand that they are
[00:18:36] facing an exercise." central threat, they are dealing with two
[00:18:40] states that have genocidal intentions towards them. President Trump
[00:18:44] has made this manifestly clear on more than one occasion, and all you have to
[00:18:48] do is look at what the Israelis are doing in Gaza, what they're doing in southern
[00:18:51] Lebanon to realize that you're dealing with a genocidal
[00:18:55] state, so from Rand's point of view, you're in the driver's
[00:18:58] seat now, and you want to take full advantage of
[00:19:02] that, you want to make sure you get the best deal possible,
[00:19:06] you want to protect your... yourself over the long term, this is not in
[00:19:10] America's interest, it's not in Israel's interest, but what we're trying to do
[00:19:13] here is strategize from Iran's point of view, and I think the
[00:19:17] Iranians are to play hard ball from their own point of view
[00:19:21] now and moving forward. We want to make
[00:19:25] it very clear here for our viewers, because we often talk
[00:19:29] amongst each other, assuming that everyone knows what we're talking about, when we're
[00:19:33] talking about the issue of trust, I think this is key issue just to just to
[00:19:36] elaborate. because you're both arguing
[00:19:40] that Tehan has good reason not to trust anything Washington does, and the
[00:19:44] history here is important, it's not just the American
[00:19:48] withdraw from the Iranian nuclear deal
[00:19:52] that
[00:19:52] was signed in 2015 and that was withdrawn in 2018, that's one
[00:19:55] thing, but it was the US decision
[00:19:58] and
[00:20:01] negotiations on
[00:20:03] two occasions, so that was February this year and...
[00:20:07] last year, am I raten sign that?
[00:20:11] definitely, there's no question, the Iranians were, the
[00:20:15] Iranians were negotiating in good faith, and the
[00:20:19] Israelis and the Americans launched two pearl harbor
[00:20:22] attacks, or the equivalent of two pearl harbor
[00:20:25] attacks on the Iranians, look, I'm a realist,
[00:20:29] I don't believe that you place much emphasis on trust under any
[00:20:33] circumstances, I'm with Ronald Ray on this one.
[00:20:37] aside Iranians case the
[00:20:46] the but trust putting rhetoric the I in would in use in you want to assume worse case in.
[00:20:50] every instance when you're dealing with these two adversaries, yeah, I just
[00:20:54] thought I'd make that clear, because uh, this often gets lost on people, I was at
[00:20:58] the pub the other day talking to people who followed the subject in very general terms,
[00:21:01] they had no idea that the United States had actually attacked Iran during
[00:21:05] negotiations,
[00:21:06] and I just think that's very important to recognize, John,
[00:21:08] meanwile, it's a testament
[00:21:12] of how badly mainstream media is
[00:21:16] handling this issue, because in the conversation, the mainstream media,
[00:21:20] it is deliberately overlooked over and over again, and you can have
[00:21:24] questions being asked, but why should the United States trust Iran? which is not
[00:21:28] an unfair question in of itself, but a context in
[00:21:32] which the United States and Israel have twice attacked Iran in the midst of
[00:21:35] negotiations, the only deal that ever has been signed between the United States
[00:21:39] and Iran was one in which the US betrayed it and walked out of it,
[00:21:43] then that question then is just completely out of place, but the reverse of it
[00:21:47] is almost never asked, and that's why ordinary people following this from the pub
[00:21:51] will never be fully informed of what the actual situation is, and i John,
[00:21:55] you're shock
[00:21:55] to hear that? yeah, I mean, I often make the point that
[00:21:59] Iran, since it's been created as a modern nation
[00:22:02] state, has never initiated a
[00:22:06] war against another state. Israel, on the other
[00:22:10] hand, is one the most aggressive states in recorded history, and
[00:22:14] with regard to the subject of genocide, last time I checked, there
[00:22:17] is zero evidence that... Iran has ever committed a
[00:22:21] genocide, but we have watched the Israelis commit a
[00:22:25] genocide in Gaza. Yeah, if you ask the average
[00:22:28] person on the street in the west, who are the good guys and who are the bad
[00:22:32] guys, they would tell you the Israelis are the good guys and the Iranians are
[00:22:36] the bad guys. Why? because as you said, Tom, this is the
[00:22:40] way our mainstream media deals with facts in this
[00:22:43] day and age. Yeah, I mean, the media response or the
[00:22:47] conventional wisdom would respond by saying that, the Iranian shia
[00:22:51] militia have committed horrible abuses in
[00:22:54] say um uh Iraq when they were fighting the
[00:22:58] suni jihadists that's that's and that you know the
[00:23:01] Iranian sha militia are the major source of terrorism in the middle
[00:23:05] east that's that's what I would say to you all treat a
[00:23:09] deal with this uh look there are Iranian supported
[00:23:13] militias in Iraq that have been involved in all kinds of atrocities the
[00:23:17] idea that they would be the main source. of
[00:23:20] terrorism, it's just factually wrong, when you take a look at
[00:23:24] the American victim, let's just take a look at the American victims
[00:23:28] of terrorism, it is overwhelming, I mean we're
[00:23:32] talking about 99% coming from jihadi groups that
[00:23:36] are falling into the sunni bracket of course, they not Iranian
[00:23:39] b yeah, one way or another related to
[00:23:42] al-qaeda, groups that have been supported by American
[00:23:46] allies and funded by American allies such as Saudi Arabia.
[00:23:50] 'm administration revealed that the seed money to al-qaeda came from Saudi
[00:23:54] Arabia and of course we have seen massive intervention by the US
[00:23:57] government any trials and court cases in which the family
[00:24:01] members the 9/11 survivors have put forward to try to get to the
[00:24:05] bottom of what was Saudi Arabia's role in all of this and the
[00:24:09] executive branch is using its privilege to intervene in those cases national
[00:24:12] security grounds so we're not even allowed to fully know what the full
[00:24:16] content of that support lack of support whatever the role was'. "if there's
[00:24:20] nothing to hide, I would assume that it would be pretty easy for them to allow the allow
[00:24:24] these members the families the victims of 9/11 to be able
[00:24:28] to get their justice in court. Just on this
[00:24:32] note, um, in 2014, 2015, at the height the Obama
[00:24:35] administrations war on the Islamic
[00:24:38] State, this policy to degrade and destroy the
[00:24:42] Sunni fundamentalists known as Islamic State. A school
[00:24:45] of thought says that the only way the Americans could really be..."
[00:24:50] effective in that coalition against
[00:24:52] ISIS was not through the air
[00:24:55] campaign but because it
[00:24:58] was the Iranian backed militia that did the dirty work on the
[00:25:01] ground against the sunni jihadists. fair point? it's
[00:25:05] absolutely correct. mean look, the iraqi defense minister
[00:25:09] himself said that once isis took
[00:25:12] mosul and the fear in Baghdad was that within a day or
[00:25:16] two they would have rushed and taken baghdad as well and he believed that they would have.
[00:25:20] succeeded, the first amount of aid came directly
[00:25:24] from the Iranians, no questions asked, they were sending munitions,
[00:25:27] weapons etc. and according to the Iraqi defense minister, had it
[00:25:31] not been for the Iranian intervention, bag would have fallen to ISIS as well, and
[00:25:35] if isis had taken back that, the whole course of that conflict could have taken a
[00:25:39] completely different direction. yeah, John, isn't that interesting, you really hear that
[00:25:43] analysis in the mainstream media? this is hardly
[00:25:47] surprising, tom, the mainstream media gives a completely
[00:25:50] distorted view of middle east politics, it gives us a completely
[00:25:54] distorted view the Ukraine war. it's just the way things
[00:25:58] are in the west, and anybody who challenges uh...
[00:26:02] "these narratives gets lamb-basted for being Putin's
[00:26:06] puppet uh or for being anti-Israel or anti-semitic or
[00:26:10] what have you? it's really kind of crazy. one the principal reasons the
[00:26:13] United States is in so much trouble on the foreign policy front
[00:26:17] is because it's impossible to have rational legal debate
[00:26:20] inside the United States, and by the way, it's impossible to have rational
[00:26:24] legal debate inside Europe today about the Ukraine
[00:26:28] war. anybody who disagrees with the conventional war
[00:26:32] uh..." The conventional wisdom uh is sent to the
[00:26:34] Ghullock.
[00:27:09] The clamor of
[00:27:10] life,
[00:27:15] seclusion and thought,
[00:27:19] and untold mysteries of a
[00:27:21] man, an
[00:27:25] erodite scholar from the
[00:27:27] east.
[00:27:45] a bridge between eastern and western
[00:27:47] thoughts, علامه
[00:27:51] یقبال
[00:27:51] لاحوری.
[00:29:19] Headlines on Press TV, the IRGC says two oil tankers have
[00:29:23] caught fire in the straight of Ormoz after attempting to cross the
[00:29:27] unauthorized routes and striking sea
[00:29:28] mines. a
[00:29:32] US media report that Vice President JD Vans is seeking to build new
[00:29:36] political alliance with deact with deactivate support of President
[00:29:40] Donald Trump following Republicans humiliates and defeat in the
[00:29:44] midterms and Palestinian officials says
[00:29:48] thousands of patients at risk of losing their lives in Gaza as
[00:29:52] Israeli restrictions prevents them from receiving treatment outside the
[00:29:56] territory.