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[00:01:00] Everyone has a bit of this, comparatively, it is that
[00:01:03] some of our people are more emotional, they quickly come on social media.
[00:01:06] There has been a complete consensus on this, there have been two or three rounds of
[00:01:10] consultations. And the meaning of September
[00:01:13] was only that if you have to do so much logistical exercise for September,
[00:01:17] to bring 50, 60 thousand, one lakh people
[00:01:21] to Islamabad for a protest, for a long march,
[00:01:25] to highlight the equal rights of non-Muslim for a sit-in, then if you do it in August, then in August
[00:01:28] it will be difficult for people.
[00:01:32] that even now we talk about November 26,
[00:01:35] thing we downplay everywhere
[00:03:25] came with full
[00:03:56] these things will not move forward. We all
[00:04:00] they can adopt the same recipe again to get a new result.
[00:04:03] And secondly, Sheri Arbab Sahib, regarding the National Government, you mentioned Barrister Gohor Sahib,
[00:04:07] who is the Chairman of the party, Summer Sahib.
[00:04:11] He said, "National Government," so National Government, look, National
[00:04:14] Government, if it comes for some
[00:04:17] time.
[00:04:22] It hasn't happened in history for this purpose, okay? But it's not
[00:04:26] like it's someone's personality or some institution's
[00:05:00] Sahib, who was the Chief Minister, he also came. What are your comments on the Peshawar rally
[00:05:03] and this word that
[00:05:06] Sheri Arbab Sahib used about the PTI juggernaut? What would
[00:05:10] you say? I disagree with PTI in this regard because when
[00:05:13] I listen to their conversation from their social media account, they
[00:05:17] are not at all forgiving this announcement that these people have given a very distant date.
[00:05:20] Thank you
[00:05:22] very much. Arbab Sher Ali Sahib
[00:05:26] is
[00:05:28] a well-groomed political person
[00:05:32] and he himself said that
[00:05:35] the 2018 election was also not transparent,
[00:05:39] we admit it. And he also said about his own party
[00:05:42] that emotional people quickly come on social media.
[00:05:46] Yes, they come quickly. Basically, it seems like the party
[00:05:49] is run by social media people.
[00:05:52] Yes, because there is no doubt that Barrister Gohar Khan Sahib,
[00:05:56] the way he is doing politics,
[00:05:59] he talks about negotiations,
[00:06:02] he says that we are not confrontational.
[00:06:06] It
[00:06:09] was Aleema Khan Sahiba who came and said
[00:06:16] that these things are there within the party.
[00:06:20] However, this "ifs and buts" thing
[00:06:22] has come up. Arab Sahib is saying that if there is
[00:06:26] a one-point agenda, we are ready for negotiations.
[00:06:30] In the Peshawar rally, it was said that the preconditions you also
[00:06:33] mentioned were that Khan Sahib should be given access.
[00:06:36] And that petition should
[00:06:40] be filed. But there is one thing, we journalists
[00:06:44] say that there are differences in PTI, PTI is divided.
[00:06:47] But everyone is united on Khan Sahib's orders,
[00:06:50] whether they are social media people, whether they are
[00:06:54] party organization, political committee
[00:06:57] people, or those other
[00:07:00] committees, whenever Khan Sahib's order comes,
[00:07:04] they will all be united. So I never buy this argument
[00:07:08] that there are differences in PTI, it has broken down.
[00:07:11] Yes, I have always disagreed with their political
[00:07:14] strategy or their own people
[00:07:17] keep disagreeing, let's say. Well, we are journalists,
[00:07:21] what disagreement do we have to keep or not keep?
[00:07:25] Their own party people disagree
[00:07:28] with the political strategy. For example, they boycotted
[00:07:31] the Azad Kashmir elections. In my own
[00:07:34] program, whoever I invited, most people said that we were against
[00:07:38] the boycott. Then who said what? This is on record.
[00:07:47] things are in my ear, they didn't whisper to me that there are differences on this matter, the boycott happened, everyone said so, but they immediately say that
[00:07:51] personally we were in favor that political parties should not
[00:07:55] leave the field. The lesson that political parties learned from 1985
[00:07:58] is still resonating today.
[00:08:02] That's why now, regarding the September 27th thing, Arbab Sahib
[00:08:06] himself has given the
[00:08:09] explanation that logistics.
[00:08:12] And there is no doubt that if you bring such a large gathering,
[00:08:16] you should form committees. Your transport committee should be there, your
[00:08:20] food committee should be there, your mobilization committee should be there.
[00:08:23] You should hold corner meetings, at least in your province. Nothing is visible yet.
[00:08:27] Gundapur Sahib's thing was that whenever he came
[00:08:31] towards Islamabad, he brought a long march.
[00:08:34] He thunder.
[00:08:38] He came with his army.
[00:08:42] And he also left a footprint, negatively
[00:08:45] and positively. Fortunately
[00:08:48] and unfortunately, but what happened on November 26th, that was
[00:08:52] unfortunate, but Ali Amin Khan left a footprint.
[00:08:54] I am
[00:08:57] saying negative and positive because his own party also started saying that
[00:09:01] Gundapur Sahib should have stayed, but he said that
[00:09:04] "Okay, you have come, congratulations, let's go back." Now
[00:09:08] Arbab Sahib used these three terms that there will be a sit-in.
[00:09:13] Or there will be a sit-in or we will protest there.
[00:09:16] These things, I think with the passage of time, PTI
[00:09:19] will consolidate on them that
[00:09:23] we are only coming for a one-day long march, plus
[00:09:26] plus, those from before November 26th,
[00:09:29] those from Sangjani, who said that they would sit in Sangjani,
[00:09:33] Khan Sahib would be released and shifted there. Barrister Saif
[00:09:37] Sahib was there, others were also there.
[00:09:41] If such a scenario happened once in their
[00:09:44] own long march movement, then what would happen if it happened again?
[00:09:48] Therefore, as Arbab Sahib is saying, there are still
[00:09:52] many ifs and buts because there is still a lot of time. Okay.
[00:09:55] Very fairly put. Summer Sahiba, I think
[00:09:59] you are saying that the meeting that took place, the Speaker Sahib has clarified this.
[00:10:02] If Sher Ali Arbab Sahib, but he also expressed some
[00:10:05] annoyance that "I am tired of saying it, maybe they don't
[00:10:09] want to negotiate." So since I
[00:11:25] no harm should come to the public, roads should not be blocked, school-going children, college- going children, dignitaries come,
[00:11:29] routes are set. It's a capital city, isn't it? So we will
[00:11:32] make our preparations. They should first introspect that Junaid Akbar
[00:11:36] Sahib had said that people have earned billions of rupees
[00:11:39] in Imran Khan Sahib's name.
[00:11:43] So first they should cooperate with us, so first they
[00:11:47] should give us a review of this transparency, because we are saying that there
[00:11:51] is corruption happening there. Junaid Akbar Sahib should tell that they are in.
[00:13:36] Regarding the September 27th date, although you
[00:13:40] obviously amplify the message of the people or Khan Sahib,
[00:13:43] but many people, including you, also get dragged into it.
[00:13:47] So what is your reaction? Look, social
[00:13:51] media has its own impact. When
[00:14:25] such an event happens, a week before, Punjab Police
[00:14:28] presses the accelerator, raids happen everywhere,
[00:14:32] people are picked up. Just give them three days' breathing space. In Punjab,
[00:14:35] the police are not used for political purposes.
[00:14:39] See how Punjab doesn't come out. But our advantage is that
[00:14:43] we have a government here. Sher Ali Arbab is a colorful.
[00:14:46] Look, if there is no scope, the real thing is to show
[00:14:50] up there.
[00:14:50] No,
[00:14:54] look. People came out in Lahore, people came out
[00:14:58] in Karachi. I
[00:15:01] will show you our.
[00:15:04] How many came out,
[00:15:06] I said?
[00:15:11] You can estimate people's turnout only when there is an environment
[00:15:15] there. If special branch and police and all these people are lying around,
[00:15:18] then what do you think?
[00:15:22] What do you think? Your People's Party, do you remember? When there were crackdowns
[00:15:26] there, this is what used to happen. What do you think, will they welcome you? Will they
[00:15:29] give you open roads?
[00:15:33] Now will you give me a minute, please, please, please. This is the People's Party's
[00:17:09] we talk about November 24. One
[00:17:13] is what you said in the beginning of the program that through the courts,
[00:17:17] Khan has been convicted by the trial courts.
[00:17:20] Until now, in many places in the High Courts, in many places,
[00:17:24] he has been acquitted. In many places, his dates are not being given
[00:17:27] yet. Okay. Important, Shaukat Sahib, I will take your closing comments. But they are saying
[00:17:31] that we are not allowed to hold a rally in Lahore, we are not getting political space.
[00:17:35] So what are our options then? So this is
[00:18:07] that our colleagues with Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf,
[00:18:11] they should come, sit at the table, present all their problems.
[00:18:14] Listen to the other side too. The other side also has a lot of grievances. There
[00:18:18] are many things there too. Come, sit, listen, and see.
[00:18:22] They repeatedly feel that the civilians have
[00:18:26] no power. But we will empower
[00:18:29] each other. If they sit with us, we will be empowered.
[00:18:32] And we will solve their problem, no one else will. Tomorrow, we will
[00:18:36] get stuck.
[00:19:07] You can also see this, regarding the record, as I said, Farasha Sahib only
[00:19:11] picked 2018. I have mentioned 2018 before.
[00:19:15] The flood
[00:19:19] of 2013. So these things, until politicians
[00:19:22] step back from these things,
[00:19:26] politicians will only do politics, and they will tell others
[00:19:30] that enough is enough. Until then,
[00:19:34] make up stories. Okay, sir ji. Mr. Paracha, sir, I agree
[00:19:37] with what you said that politicians have to find a solution to this. Mr. Paracha, please close.
[00:19:41] Mr.
[00:19:44] Shaukat, this is ideal. Ideal is
[00:19:48] not practical. It means it is ideal.
[00:19:51] But
[00:19:54] it's not happening, that's why I'm saying so.
[00:19:58] Yes, this is the idea. Politicians should
[00:20:01] sit today. They should sit tonight.
[00:20:04] And I would say they should sit with muscle,
[00:20:07] until they reach a final course of action,
[00:20:11] until they reach a conclusion, until they reach a result.
[00:20:15] I would say they should sit now. I mean, I am
[00:20:18] not at all that type of insolent person who would provoke
[00:20:22] them and say, "No, stand firm, you should flex your muscles
[00:20:26] completely." No, we have always said that
[00:20:30] they should sit and talk. Politicians should sit
[00:20:33] with politicians. Even when this government was being formed,
[00:20:37] the current N-League one, the People's Party was also looking towards
[00:20:41] PTI. These things are on record. But PTI
[00:20:45] said that we will not sit with anyone. And the People's
[00:20:48] Party had to sit with the N-League, and they were
[00:20:52] taunting each other. Or when
[00:20:55] Arbab Sahib also talked about the 45-47 form,
[00:20:58] they are taunting it, but they say
[00:21:02] that no, we will follow this democratic process,
[00:21:05] whatever weak this process could
[00:21:08] be. But only the democratic system
[00:21:12] has to move forward, and no one will come from outside
[00:21:15] to cleanse it. Politicians have to sit and make decisions
[00:21:19] themselves.