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[00:01:45] of the interrogations of the candidates for the Senate across
[00:01:48] Brazil. For the state of Ceará, Sid Gomes, from
[00:01:51] PSB, participated in an interview with the
[00:01:54] presenters Marcelo Moreno and Bianca Saraiva from
[00:01:58] TV Cidade. Let's watch
[00:02:00] now.
[00:02:06] This week, Jornal da Cidade is interviewing the candidates for the Senate
[00:02:10] for Ceará. All those who belong to parties with representation in the National
[00:02:13] Congress were invited. The order of the interviews was defined by a
[00:02:16] lottery, and today's guest is Sid Gomes. Candidate,
[00:02:20] your time will be 20 minutes, which will be counted from now. Good
[00:02:23] evening, welcome to Jornal da Cidade. Good
[00:02:31] the moment. If the elections were today, possibly Ciro
[00:02:35] Gomes could be the next governor for the next
[00:02:38] 4 years here in the state of Ceará. Possibly also, if the elections were
[00:02:42] today, you would become senator for
[00:02:45] another 8 years. How would this relationship be today
[00:02:48] between separated brothers in a scenario
[00:02:51] like this? Would there be peace sealed for the good of
[00:02:54] Ceará? Well, my relationship with Ciro is independent, for
[00:02:58] me, of political issues. He's my
[00:03:01] brother, and that speaks for itself.
[00:03:05] I believe in the election of Elmano, right, and
[00:03:09] face. We can't remain I am working with
[00:03:11] him as I always have. I was a candidate
[00:03:15] and elected governor in 2006. The people,
[00:03:18] the parties that were with me back then, 20 years
[00:03:22] ago, are the same parties that are on our
[00:03:25] side. So, I repeat, my
[00:03:28] personal relationship, as far as it depends on me,
[00:03:31] will exist
[00:03:35] without relation to politics. But given
[00:03:39] any post-election scenario, is there any chance of this family relationship being
[00:03:43] resumed, candidate? As far as it depends on me, absolutely. I have zero
[00:03:47] problems. The respect, admiration, affection
[00:03:50] remain the same. We are simply on different
[00:03:54] paths, on opposite sides, and I have, in some way, the
[00:03:58] consolation, the comfort that... it wasn't me who changed
[00:04:01] sides, it was him who changed sides.
[00:04:04] Ciro is allied today with people who are
[00:04:08] our traditional adversaries. Wagner, André, they are
[00:04:11] our adversaries. They are people who bet on
[00:04:14] disaster and have very few proposals for the state of Ceará.
[00:04:18] Candidate, going back to 2019, do you regret having,
[00:04:20] uh, during the military police strike, advanced with a
[00:04:24] backhoe towards a group of strikers in Sobral, even though you were already
[00:04:27] a recently elected senator, you had taken
[00:04:30] office? I was on leave from the Senate at the time.
[00:04:34] Well, I didn't, I didn't try to do that, okay?
[00:04:38] I was in Fortaleza, I was
[00:04:41] informed that there were groups
[00:04:44] of plainclothes police, using
[00:04:48] police vehicles, telling merchants
[00:04:51] light festivals also illuminated the to close their stores, and people sent me videos
[00:04:55] and called me desperate. I feel responsible
[00:04:58] for my... city, just as I feel
[00:05:01] responsible for my country and my state. I called the mayor, the mayor
[00:05:05] was not there, he was in São Paulo, he had gone to a meeting there of the Instituto Cenceno Foundation.
[00:05:08] I felt it was my duty to go there and give some comfort,
[00:05:12] to give some solace to the people, and I walked through the
[00:05:15] center with several
[00:05:18] people, and at a certain point I
[00:05:22] asked to turn right, but the traffic flow of the street had reversed,
[00:05:25] it had become a one-way street in the wrong direction. So I was forced to go to the next street and turn
[00:05:29] right. When I arrived about 100 meters
[00:05:32] after turning right, they were blocking the street. It wasn't
[00:05:36] me who invaded, they were blocking the street. I
[00:05:39] went there and asked them to... evacuate
[00:05:43] the place, I warned them that what they were doing was illegal,
[00:05:46] and unfortunately, they did not
[00:05:50] evacuate. I felt obliged
[00:05:53] to mark a space,
[00:05:56] right? I never imagined I would take a shot or two
[00:05:59] shots, more than that, one person
[00:06:03] and her circumstances. In that conjunction, I had no other
[00:06:07] alternative, or it would be my demoralization. I would
[00:06:10] live from then on without honor, and I, yes, I
[00:06:14] cannot live without honor. So, objectively, there is no regret. So
[00:06:18] I didn't, I didn't try, right?
[00:06:22] And well, if everything happened the way it happened,
[00:06:26] I repeat, for me it's better to die
[00:06:30] with honor than to live without honor. Candidate, yesterday we
[00:06:33] also received a candidate for the Senate from your political group,
[00:06:36] Luíannis, and we talked to her
[00:06:39] about the break that happened between the two, yes, from
[00:06:42] Liziane in ah in 2012. So
[00:06:45] I repeat the question that was asked to her yesterday: did someone change
[00:06:49] during that time, you or her, so
[00:06:52] that these ties could be re-established once again? We have more
[00:06:56] affinities than that, we
[00:06:59] were many times on the same side, many
[00:07:03] times, much more than on opposite sides. In politics, that happens.
[00:07:06] Luisiane, even leaders of her party
[00:07:10] were on one side, she... was on the other, right?
[00:07:13] So that doesn't mean we're going to
[00:07:17] marry and live a a a a life together.
[00:07:21] We are making an alliance. She is
[00:07:23] in another party, it's no longer her historical party, but I am
[00:07:27] grateful to her because she supported me for
[00:07:30] the candidacy for governor in 2016. I
[00:07:34] felt it was my duty to
[00:07:37] support her when she was re-elected in 2018. Isn't
[00:07:41] it confusing for the voter at a certain point, because there were
[00:07:44] exchanges of insults during a period, and today there is support? So how does
[00:07:48] the voter manage to understand this scenario?
[00:07:52] Personal insults, I don't think there ever were any
[00:07:55] from either side, right? What we
[00:07:58] had together in 2016, we had together in
[00:08:02] 2018. In 2020, I
[00:08:05] defended that there should be a PT candidacy, I was willing to
[00:08:09] support it for the mayor of Fortaleza, and
[00:08:11] I understood. The polls showed that the
[00:08:15] administration had an evaluation that
[00:08:18] did not recommend having a candidate directly linked to
[00:08:22] the administration. I brought this consideration to President Lula,
[00:08:25] who was a former president at the time, but they understood that he should
[00:08:29] be the candidate. So at that point, I ended up launching the
[00:08:32] candidate who was Roberto Cláudio, and then you see today,
[00:08:36] politics has this, today I am with Luisiane,
[00:08:40] Luisiane is with me, Roberto is with... me. So it happens,
[00:08:44] it happens. I, I don't change like that, for me,
[00:08:47] people have virtues
[00:08:50] and they have flaws. I don't, I don't, I don't change my
[00:08:54] concept of people because they are on my side or against
[00:08:57] me. People, for me, still have virtues and
[00:09:01] flaws. Candidate, uh, you said in a recent interview, in a
[00:09:05] podcast interrogation, that you are against the existing polarization
[00:09:09] in the country, criticizing it or classifying it as harmful. You also
[00:09:12] stated that you are neither a PT member nor a Bolsonaro supporter, you are from the PSB, the
[00:09:16] party you belong to. But your political group, uh, uses
[00:09:19] this tool, let's say, to classify the opposition candidate, to draw
[00:09:23] votes from those who decided to vote for President Lula, but did not decide on a vote for
[00:09:27] governor. I ask, do you believe that the current voter can
[00:09:30] and should make this separation? Well,
[00:09:34] look, we have two very clear projects in
[00:09:37] Brazil, that is, I, for my
[00:09:40] taste, would have a third, a
[00:09:43] fourth, a fifth project, honestly. Of the
[00:09:47] alternatives that are out there, it's not just me, the vast majority
[00:09:51] of Brazilians end up making a choice for one of the two,
[00:09:54] right? You can be sure that whenever there is a
[00:09:58] political, a dispute, in which on one side is
[00:10:01] Lula, who for me is the greatest, the best president in the
[00:10:05] history of Brazil. I will not change my concept. God willing,
[00:10:09] a better one than him will come, but comparing him to the
[00:10:12] previous ones that I followed, that I
[00:10:15] follow, he is, he is much better than anyone,
[00:10:18] on the other side is this Bolsonaro
[00:10:21] thing, which I think is a much worse evil.
[00:10:25] So 100 times, if there were a dispute between Lula and
[00:10:29] Bolsonaro, 100 times I would be on Lula's side. To wish
[00:10:32] for a third way, I wish for it, I defended it
[00:10:36] until a little before the definition of the candidacies
[00:10:40] that we had a third way, and I always acted this way. If you
[00:10:43] look at my history, in the last election,
[00:10:46] right, I voted for Ciro in the first round and I voted for Lula in the
[00:10:50] second round. In the 2022 election, in the previous election, I voted for Ciro in the
[00:10:54] first round and I voted for Haddad in the second round. In the
[00:10:58] previous election, I, I have always had this
[00:11:01] stance, I haven't changed anything, right? You
[00:11:05] didn't vote because you were absent, but you said
[00:11:08] you would vote 100 times if necessary for the PL of
[00:11:11] dosimetry, which would reduce the sentences
[00:11:15] for, the sentences that would be applicable to those convicted of
[00:11:19] the January 8th act, a position that is contrary
[00:11:23] to that of your political group. Why? I
[00:11:26] don't, political group, I have an alliance with the PT, I'm not of the
[00:11:30] PT. If I were 100% allied with the
[00:11:34] PT, I wouldn't be affiliated with another party, I would be affiliated with the PT. What we
[00:11:38] do are alliances at the national level. The PT is
[00:11:41] allied with the PSB, the vice-president of
[00:11:45] Lula is Alckmin, and he is now a candidate for vice-presidency
[00:11:49] and he is the vice-president of my party,
[00:11:52] right? So we have alliances. I am not
[00:11:55] a PT member and I don't, I don't align
[00:11:58] myself. I think it's bad to automatically align
[00:12:01] with theses, because it's a thesis of petism or a thesis of
[00:12:05] bolsonarism. I think we should reflect on the
[00:12:07] issue. So we are the ones who made
[00:12:11] us senators. I was already in office. The law
[00:12:15] that dealt with
[00:12:18] having the penalties provided for
[00:12:21] crimes, attacks against democracy, we were the ones who made it. "I
[00:12:25] participated in that law. When we make a
[00:12:28] law, the law is subject to amendment
[00:12:31] later, and the
[00:12:34] justice system is obliged to comply with the law. So to
[00:12:37] condemn a person to 18 years in prison because
[00:12:40] she put lipstick on a statue in the Praça dos Três
[00:12:44] Poderes, I don't think that's reasonable,
[00:12:48] honestly. Why did they give 18? Because there was no
[00:12:51] alternative to giving a different sentence. Participated in..."
[00:12:55] movement and participants, financiers,
[00:12:58] ideators and organizers
[00:13:01] were treated the same way. So what we understood from a
[00:13:05] meeting we had with five or six senators with three or
[00:13:08] four Supreme Court ministers, is that
[00:13:11] an adjustment should be made to the law, including Alexandre,
[00:13:15] who was the judge of the case, the rapporteur
[00:13:19] of the case, was present at that meeting. So that's what I did.
[00:13:22] If I didn't vote, I think I did. Right, I think I
[00:13:26] did. But anyway, I, I am in favor of defending
[00:13:29] dosimetry in this specific case. I'm not trying to give amnesty to
[00:13:33] Bolsonaro, that's another story. Bolsonaro is the leader of this
[00:13:36] movement, there are other people who financed it, these should
[00:13:40] be exemplarily punished,
[00:13:43] because there is no greater value than democracy, although,
[00:13:46] unfortunately, many Brazilians do not
[00:13:49] give due eh attention, respect
[00:13:53] to this sacred thing that is democracy.
[00:13:56] Democracy is the power of the people to choose their rulers. We
[00:14:00] cannot transfer that to anyone. There is no one more enlightened than the
[00:14:04] people to choose their representatives. And whoever attacks
[00:14:07] this, organizing, I repeat, organizing,
[00:14:11] planning, elaborating, financing, should be
[00:14:14] rigorously punished with harsh penalties. A person who is used as
[00:14:18] a pawn, who was there for a movement, didn't even know what
[00:14:21] they were doing right, cannot have the same penalty, honestly. They would
[00:14:25] have a penalty, they would be convicted, but not, a penalty, on a scale,
[00:14:28] of course. 18 years in prison for a person who put on
[00:14:32] lipstick, this became, became an icon, but so
[00:14:35] many others like that, penalties for vandalism, you
[00:14:38] destroy a piece, uh,
[00:14:41] historical, a clock in the palace, that is,
[00:14:45] this should have a penalty for vandalism, not for
[00:14:49] attack on democracy, right? You break the window of a, of
[00:14:53] a, of a series of... of a power,
[00:14:56] that's already a more serious thing, anyway, the penalties
[00:14:59] they must be, uh,
[00:15:01] individualized
[00:15:04] and proportional to the crime committed. It's not reasonable that you treat
[00:15:07] everyone the same way. Dosimetry did
[00:15:10] this. Today, today many people who
[00:15:14] criticized it are defending it. Candidate,
[00:15:16] the choice of the first alternate also and of the alternate also makes up the
[00:15:20] image of a candidacy for the Senate. Your first alternate,
[00:15:23] Elmano, has already been involved in political controversies here in the state.
[00:15:27] Did you evaluate the impact of this choice on the electorate? Do you
[00:15:31] believe it could cost you votes? Look,
[00:15:33] Marcelo, for me, everyone is innocent until...
[00:15:37] proven otherwise. It's not a
[00:15:39] reference, a citation, an inquiry,
[00:15:43] or something that makes a person condemned. How many
[00:15:47] times have we seen even people condemned
[00:15:50] later be reviewed,
[00:15:53] right? And, well, if
[00:15:57] they, uh, admit that an injustice was done,
[00:16:00] then Júnior Mano, for me, is a person who leads
[00:16:04] many leaders in the state of Ceará. It's not
[00:16:10] redundancy, but it's not easy to lead leaders. Júnior
[00:16:13] Mano has, uh, with his attention,
[00:16:17] more than 40 mayors and female mayors in the
[00:16:21] state of Ceará. Few people have that, and for me it's
[00:16:24] incompatible. I'm not naive, for me it's
[00:16:27] incompatible. There are people who, in politics, in these things of
[00:16:31] amendments, pass the amendments and
[00:16:34] ask for commission on these amendments. There are
[00:16:38] people who pass the amendments and obviously expect recognition
[00:16:41] in votes, in attention, in political
[00:16:45] alignment, and even electoral. For me, these are two
[00:16:48] absolutely different things. I have never seen from the mayors, and I
[00:16:52] have a direct relationship with mayors, with many mayors,
[00:16:55] anyone say that Júnior asked for commission, uh, for
[00:16:59] the release of some funds, as I see in many
[00:17:02] other cases. From the voter's point of view, from the voter's point of view, I don't
[00:17:05] mean yours. right? Uh, regarding Júnior
[00:17:09] Mano, but the voter, uh, can also judge, since
[00:17:13] it's a vote that you cast together, you, it's you,
[00:17:17] you're voting for the Senate and also for the first alternate. It's
[00:17:20] written in my propaganda, it says "Senator" cannot
[00:17:23] impact,
[00:17:26] I, I, I will repeat what I have already said, right? I
[00:17:30] have conviction, otherwise I would not have
[00:17:34] chosen him as my first alternate. "I
[00:17:37] am convinced of his innocence. Well, and I think
[00:17:41] that's a right everyone has. To only be
[00:17:45] convicted if there is a trial,
[00:17:48] if there is an accusation, if there is a defense, the right
[00:17:52] of defense in all judicial instances
[00:17:56] has been complied with. Otherwise, you will lynch people.
[00:17:59] This is like the Inquisition, it's not modern times. In fact,
[00:18:03] these things are coming back, right? These things are coming back. I think we
[00:18:07] should be very careful with these things of accusation
[00:18:10] and already culpability without the
[00:18:14] person being able to have the opportunity to defend themselves in an appropriate
[00:18:18] space for that. You state that you are not against,
[00:18:21] I say this in the totality of the thought of reducing the age of criminal
[00:18:25] responsibility, do you believe that this measure can be discussed in the
[00:18:29] country as a form of protection of public safety, Bianca? Well,
[00:18:33] yes, I, I'm not saying I'm in favor, or defending it, but not totally
[00:18:36] against it. I will, well, I think the following: we have
[00:18:40] to look for solutions to the problems we
[00:18:46] inert, we have to move and look for
[00:18:49] solutions. Many, many people point
[00:18:53] to this, the reduction of the age of criminal responsibility
[00:18:57] as a way to reduce even
[00:19:00] the opportunism of some criminals who
[00:19:02] put underage people, under
[00:19:06] 18 years old, on the front lines so that their
[00:19:09] sentence is shorter. So what I said is that we can do a
[00:19:13] test. I personally do not believe this is the best
[00:19:17] way. I made that very clear and I will make it clear here, I do not
[00:19:20] believe it is the best way. For me,
[00:19:24] this faction thing in Brazil will only be
[00:19:28] resolved with a task force led by the
[00:19:31] federal government. If not like that, no one will
[00:19:35] fix it. No one
[00:19:37] can, isolated in a state or a city, solve the problem. The moment
[00:19:41] you take action in a city, I have seen this, in São Luís do Curu they killed the uncle
[00:19:45] of the president of, the uncle of the, of the mayor,
[00:19:49] the father of the president of the chamber. So, a task force was
[00:19:52] formed, they flee and go to Rio de Janeiro and
[00:19:56] go to who knows where and keep giving orders there by cell phone.
[00:20:00] So, it's like this, either you have a planned
[00:20:02] action where there is a pact, legislation is advancing,
[00:20:06] we already have a law of
[00:20:09] punishability for members of criminal factions
[00:20:12] who threaten, right?
[00:20:15] And this is the biggest problem, the
[00:20:18] amount of threats is much greater than the amount of actual
[00:20:22] crimes, right? And they take advantage of this, of the fear, of the fear of
[00:20:25] people. The threat today of jail, of the
[00:20:29] 20-year prison sentence, if
[00:20:32] the person is a first-time offender,
[00:20:35] 70% of the sentence must be served. If not a first-time
[00:20:38] offender, 80% of the sentence must be served. So the
[00:20:42] legislation regarding something that
[00:20:46] threatens, before, the threatened person had to make a statement.
[00:20:50] "Now if the threatened person is terrified, how is he going to make a
[00:20:53] statement, expose his name and remain vulnerable to later having a
[00:20:57] a a a well, a a revolt or an
[00:21:00] action against him?
[00:21:03] Today, just a report already allows you to
[00:21:07] file the accusation, file the
[00:21:10] judgment of the person, so the legislation is already
[00:21:14] more or less adequate, and we will
[00:21:17] adjust, right? Law is like that, we make it..." and we see in its application
[00:21:21] how it works. The other legislation, the capacity
[00:21:24] of the Union to have a greater action, is to be
[00:21:28] voted on there through a PEC. I think now in October we should vote,
[00:21:31] and with that we will certainly have a greater action from the federal
[00:21:35] government. Candidate, 50 seconds remain until the end of our interrogation. Can you
[00:21:39] use this space for your final considerations? Well, I want to congratulate
[00:21:42] TV Cidade, the entire
[00:21:45] system for bringing these
[00:21:48] issues, the discussion of the electoral candidates,
[00:21:52] to congratulate and thank you for the opportunity
[00:21:55] to address the voters of Fortaleza and
[00:21:59] the metropolitan region, to ask for an opportunity. I don't, I don't work
[00:22:02] alone in this, I'm not a, a
[00:22:05] savior of the homeland. I, I seek and throughout my life I have always done so,
[00:22:09] to work collectively, to work in a group. We have a
[00:22:12] team that is led in the country by President Lula, in the
[00:22:16] state of Ceará, by Governor Elmano, two senators.
[00:22:20] Me and a group of federal deputies, state deputies, please,
[00:22:23] uh, help this team continue
[00:22:27] working for the state of
[00:22:28] Ceará.
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[00:28:45] requests for the first license was
[00:28:48] 7.3 million between January and
[00:28:52] August. The period coincides with the entry into force
[00:28:55] of the new rules for obtaining the official
[00:28:59] document. The main change is the end of the
[00:29:02] mandatory driving school
[00:29:06] are now conducted outside
[00:29:10] driving schools, either in accredited
[00:29:13] institutions or with authorized independent
[00:29:16] instructors. In the first 8 months of this
[00:29:20] year, 4.4 million theoretical courses were held and
[00:29:24] more than 2 million new drivers were trained.
[00:29:27] According to the Ministry of Transport, the waiting
[00:29:30] time for obtaining a license was reduced by
[00:29:34] 30%. The estimated savings by the
[00:29:37] ministry is almost 10 billion
[00:29:41] reais.
[00:29:42] With one minute to
[00:29:48] 6 o'clock in the afternoon, Gabriela Torres, our international affairs
[00:29:52] editor, is here in the studio. Good afternoon still, good afternoon
[00:29:55] still from Isa to you, to everyone watching us here on Link News.
[00:29:59] Well, today, with topics that are not so
[00:30:02] uh, good, let's say,
[00:30:05] because we're going to talk a little bit about September 11th, right? It's been 25 years
[00:30:09] since the last one, since that attack that happened in the United States
[00:30:13] on uh, September 9th,
[00:30:16] 2001, September 11th, 2001.
[00:30:20] It's 9/11 and we also have a reporter in the United States to help us
[00:30:24] contextualize, right, for those who are not so familiar with the subject, let's
[00:30:27] talk about some things, right, about some documents that came out, especially this week
[00:30:31] leading up to it. But anyway, in fact we're going to start by saying, right, that
[00:30:35] New York and other American cities are now paying tribute,
[00:30:38] especially between yesterday and today, to the almost 3,000
[00:30:42] victims of the terrorist attack, then of September 11th, which turns 25
[00:30:46] years old today. So drones recreated the Twin Towers, right,
[00:30:50] over New York Harbor,
[00:30:54] city, the city sky, and all this time
[00:30:57] later, right, the consequences of the tragedy are still part of it.