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[00:00:00] The report also highlights the Iranian government's crackdown on internal
[00:00:03] protests at the end of 2025, stating that
[00:00:06] Tehran used the death penalty as a tool of
[00:00:09] intimidation and control? Ricardo Cabral, an expert in international
[00:00:13] security strategy, joins us to provide an analysis.
[00:00:16] Hi Cabral, good afternoon to you, always welcome.
[00:00:18] Good afternoon, Kelia, it's always a pleasure to be here
[00:00:22] on Record News connection.
[00:00:24] right, and this and the Well, we always evaluate these war issues, we
[00:00:27] know that civilians just...
[00:00:30] suffer too much and also looking at history,
[00:00:33] these crimes end up going unpunished,
[00:00:36] right? Yes, look, Kerry,
[00:00:40] the war, right, for example,
[00:00:43] this school was next to an Iranian
[00:00:46] military facility, the Americans did not update their
[00:00:50] intelligence
[00:00:53] and launched a Tomahawk
[00:00:57] there, 120 people... In
[00:01:00] the United States, this is called, we call it collateral
[00:01:03] damage, but
[00:01:05] the investigations there blamed the Defense Intelligence
[00:01:09] Agency, there is a defense, the
[00:01:12] Pentagon has its own intelligence agency
[00:01:15] and they also blamed the artificial intelligence
[00:01:18] used in these
[00:01:21] attacks, basically the attacks in Iran were
[00:01:25] carried out using this type of instrument
[00:01:29] of artificial intelligence that identifies the target well, it is
[00:01:33] destroyed with precision, but you see, a Tomahawk
[00:01:36] was launched, the explosion of which caused the
[00:01:40] death of these children and it was not only
[00:01:44] this location,
[00:01:47] several American
[00:01:50] attacks against barracks also resulted in civilian deaths,
[00:01:54] of course, collateral effects and so on, but
[00:01:57] nowadays we have conditions to be more precise,
[00:02:01] unfortunately, what you said is true,
[00:02:04] right, unless the United States
[00:02:08] admits its fault, they do it, the military
[00:02:12] goes through a court martial, they will explain
[00:02:15] themselves, but they will hardly be punished, right, it remains
[00:02:18] the question of the unwanted collateral effect,
[00:02:22] nobody wanted to hit a school, but
[00:02:25] the excessive use of force, that's why
[00:02:28] this committee is talking about it, right, because
[00:02:32] excessive force is a war crime,
[00:02:35] exactly, now you mentioned an important detail a little
[00:02:39] while ago, I would like you to highlight
[00:02:42] it for us, because you know a lot about weapons,
[00:02:45] military strategy, right, Cabral, and you said: look,
[00:02:49] nowadays we could be more precise in an action during the
[00:02:52] war, with weapons that would not impact civilians so much,
[00:02:56] that is, do you believe that in
[00:02:58] resilience, very times of war, what is missing is precisely this...
[00:03:01] since there are technologies,
[00:03:06] there is no care, Kylie, there is the
[00:03:08] target, there is the target, there is a person of
[00:03:12] interest, there is the priority target,
[00:03:16] and that is part of the mission, the collateral effects,
[00:03:20] they will always be resolved by the
[00:03:23] question, there was no intention to hit
[00:03:26] civilians, but the priority, the priority of the
[00:03:30] military in war is the target, right, the civilian, the duty to
[00:03:34] protect, which is also part of the
[00:03:37] doctrine, etc. it is never
[00:03:41] always in the background in relation to the mission and the
[00:03:45] target, that's why many
[00:03:47] misfortunes happen, right, the Americans, just remember
[00:03:51] that during the Obama administration, that campaign of
[00:03:54] selective assassinations killed thousands of people, because
[00:03:58] there, what was the priority? Hit the target, it doesn't matter if he
[00:04:02] is with 30 people around, the Americans
[00:04:05] usually, not only the Americans, others, the Russians
[00:04:09] also do this a lot, Israel, right, when in
[00:04:12] combat the priority is to fulfill the mission, hit the
[00:04:16] target and, unfortunately, whoever is close, if they
[00:04:19] suffer death, some
[00:04:23] mutilation, it's war, the excuse is always that
[00:04:27] it was not intentional to attack
[00:04:30] civilians, exactly, well, look at this news
[00:04:33] that's just coming in for us, Cabral, the President of the United States says that
[00:04:36] he hopes the end of the war against Iran is
[00:04:40] near. Donald Trump is expected to meet with Gulf leaders on the
[00:04:43] sidelines of the UN General Assembly next week
[00:04:47] to discuss this conflict. The meeting should focus
[00:04:50] on Washington's plans for a post-war
[00:04:53] strategy.
[00:04:57] Trump said he heard that Iran. also heard in
[00:05:00] fact Iran directly without giving more details, the president
[00:05:04] stressed that Tehran does want to close a deal, we have already
[00:05:08] seen several statements from Trump before that he wants to close a deal, then he says he is not
[00:05:11] talking to Iran. So why
[00:05:15] is Trump saying this now, does it have to do
[00:05:19] with the weekend meetings, what is your assessment?
[00:05:23] Look, there's a lot of pressure on the Gulf, then we
[00:05:26] followed, right, we talk a lot and we
[00:05:30] are, we are, everyone is scared with this oil
[00:05:33] above $100,
[00:05:36] repercussion, we are entering winter in the
[00:05:39] northern hemisphere, in a few months winter will begin. So
[00:05:43] the stocks are very low, today
[00:05:47] we have news that, for example, from
[00:05:50] Wednesday to now, only six
[00:05:53] ships passed through the Gulf, six large oil tankers,
[00:05:56] 6 million barrels, each
[00:06:00] transporting 2 billion barrels of oil, that is,
[00:06:03] 12 billion passed in more than
[00:06:07] 24 hours, while the average was 20 ships
[00:06:11] per day, each with 2 million barrels, so you
[00:06:14] can imagine how it is, then there is the pressure
[00:06:18] of China at this moment, China is
[00:06:21] not helping, but it is in its own
[00:06:24] interest, pressing Iran and the United States
[00:06:28] for, as the Chinese call it, a little more
[00:06:32] rationality, Iran will not get everything it
[00:06:35] wants and neither will the Americans, so there is
[00:06:39] a lot of pressure for them to be rational.
[00:06:42] they both lift
[00:06:46] their blockades, I remember that Iran blocks
[00:06:50] ships that pass from other ports that are not
[00:06:53] its own and the Americans block Iran, so the idea
[00:06:57] of the Chinese is, look, let's lift the blockade and
[00:07:01] you will resolve the
[00:07:04] issues, but Mohsen Rezai,
[00:07:08] who is currently the strongman
[00:07:11] of Iran, said: look, there will only be a deal
[00:07:15] if the Americans give in to everything we
[00:07:18] demand, Trump says that the
[00:07:22] Iranians must give in to what he
[00:07:25] demands, so I don't know where Trump
[00:07:28] right, the crisis
[00:07:31] is deepening, you have a positive circular
[00:07:35] causation that affects the West a lot,
[00:07:39] which is the sale of oil, it generates dollars, which
[00:07:42] are invested in Europe and the United States, a little goes to
[00:07:46] Asia and from this money it starts to circulate
[00:07:49] and the payment methods of the Middle East are
[00:07:53] starting to collapse, because money is not
[00:07:56] coming in, countries like Qatar, Bahrain,
[00:07:59] Kuwait, right, that don't export, are not exporting
[00:08:03] almost anything and now Saudi Arabia is also
[00:08:06] going through this problem, they start to
[00:08:10] pressure the countries there.
[00:08:13] In this case, Iran will only be sensitive to China and
[00:08:17] Russia, Russia is insensitive to talking to
[00:08:21] Iran about this, quite the contrary, it is supplying
[00:08:24] material, while China, because it is being
[00:08:27] harmed, is starting to pressure Iran and the
[00:08:31] United States, right, now they are starting to feel
[00:08:34] it at home, a gallon of diesel is
[00:08:37] costing more than $6, a gallon of gasoline more than
[00:08:41] four and... there will be elections in November, Trump's
[00:08:45] popularity is at its lowest and the
[00:08:48] Democrats have opened more than seven points
[00:08:52] in relation to the Republicans, so the pressure now
[00:08:55] is also on the United States, within the United
[00:08:59] States he prohibited the export of diesel, he should
[00:09:02] prohibit gasoline and gas, right, with
[00:09:06] that Europe will be the most affected, it will
[00:09:09] lose another major supplier and the countries
[00:09:12] are all very anxious with the
[00:09:16] arrival of winter and with the worsening of their
[00:09:19] stocks, Europe is afraid of 60% of the
[00:09:23] stocks it should have at this time of year and
[00:09:27] without prospect of completing the minimum
[00:09:30] level to get through the winter, look at the problem, Kerry, exactly and
[00:09:34] the problem can escalate, we are still checking here with the
[00:09:38] international agencies, but information from a North
[00:09:40] American TV channel says that Iran's forces
[00:09:44] would have shot down at least two North
[00:09:46] American military drones, we are, of course, checking all
[00:09:50] this, but Cabral, if this information
[00:09:54] is confirmed, how does this negotiation between Trump
[00:09:57] and Iran turn out, can anything change?
[00:10:01] Look, Trump,
[00:10:05] we, we talked about his election, Trump is
[00:10:08] stable, right, he can decide to
[00:10:11] open action, for example, he signed that
[00:10:14] memorandum to unblock the Gulf, he can do something
[00:10:18] similar, so far the pressure he is
[00:10:21] under is even from within the cabinet,
[00:10:25] Jared Kushner, Marco Rubio are
[00:10:29] pressing him to reduce
[00:10:32] the demands on Iran, Scott
[00:10:36] Bessent, who is the Treasury Secretary and is
[00:10:39] responsible for implementing economic
[00:10:42] sanctions against Iran, he comes from another
[00:10:45] plan, he says, look, this is the moment
[00:10:49] of greatest resistance from, Iran is already
[00:10:53] yielding, it has already... We have already passed the point of
[00:10:56] no return, there is food shortages
[00:11:00] in Iran, they don't have electricity all
[00:11:02] day, they don't get water every
[00:11:06] day, what was a water shortage of one day a week for
[00:11:10] rationing, now there is no water several days a
[00:11:13] week, so there is a lack of food, so he thinks
[00:11:17] that pressuring Iran at this moment with an
[00:11:21] economic agenda and maintaining tightening the blockade will yield results.
[00:11:25] But it's destroying the Americans, right? Well,
[00:11:29] it's a very complex situation, let's talk
[00:11:32] now about another dramatic situation, the war in
[00:11:35] Ukraine, Russia bombed the capital Kyiv and
[00:11:39] other cities with drones and missiles this morning, Cabral,
[00:11:43] more than 20 people were injured according to authorities and at least
[00:11:46] eight regions reported damage. In Sumy and
[00:11:49] Odesa, energy infrastructure was hit. The bombings
[00:11:52] happened hours after the US Congress
[00:11:56] approved an important sanctions bill against Moscow,
[00:11:59] the goal is to intensify economic pressure on Russia
[00:12:03] due to the invasion of Ukraine. The bill
[00:12:06] was now sent to President Trump for sanction.
[00:12:10] Volodymyr Zelensky classified the decision as an extremely
[00:12:13] powerful tool to end the war. He also said
[00:12:17] that tougher sanctions were essential to force
[00:12:20] Moscow to return to the negotiating table,
[00:12:24] Cabral. Look, Peskov
[00:12:27] just said that the approval, the approval
[00:12:30] by Congress, if Trump signs it, he can veto
[00:12:34] it, right, but the law was passed, the law
[00:12:37] is bipartisan, it is the law of the late Senator
[00:12:41] Lindsey, I believe that it is indeed a very
[00:12:44] strong instrument to
[00:12:47] bring the Russians to the table more flexibly,
[00:12:50] see Ukraine is doing its part, it is attacking the
[00:12:53] refineries, it has taken out... only this week, six
[00:12:57] refineries, right, with more than 1 million barrels of
[00:13:00] oil, then there's more gasoline, look at the diesel, you have to
[00:13:04] divide that, right, 400,000
[00:13:08] 400,000 liters of gasoline plus the diesel
[00:13:11] etc, all of this has already come out, it's pressure
[00:13:14] on the Russians, right, now if the
[00:13:18] Russians, a Russian characteristic is
[00:13:23] resilient, the Russians are very resilient and their
[00:13:27] expectation is war until 2028,
[00:13:30] they got support at the BRICS meeting from India
[00:13:34] and China said that it will
[00:13:36] also continue to buy oil and supply material.
[00:13:39] Look, American pressure is important,
[00:13:43] but the Russians, I may be
[00:13:47] very wrong, they will not give up Donetsk,
[00:13:51] Zaporizhzhia, if Ukraine does not give in, there will not be
[00:13:55] more attacks or fewer attacks, American
[00:13:58] sanctions, Peskov said, this will only hinder
[00:14:01] and prolong the war against Ukraine, that is, the Russian
[00:14:05] response is, you can impose sanctions, we are
[00:14:08] not worried, yes, we have even been following
[00:14:12] here that no sanctions stop the war, right,
[00:14:15] so you see, it's a situation that we don't know if it will really be
[00:14:18] effective, right, looking at what has already happened at other times in this
[00:14:22] conflict, now Ukraine is proposing... Cabral,
[00:14:25] record spending on defense already for next year,
[00:14:28] 2027. According to authorities, as the cost of the war with Russia
[00:14:32] increases, the country needs more financial support from
[00:14:36] partner countries. The forecast is that defense spending
[00:14:40] will reach 110 billion dollars next
[00:14:43] year, an increase of 12% compared to this
[00:14:46] year. They represent about 2/3 of total
[00:14:50] expenditures in a budget proposal for
[00:14:53] 2027. The Minister of Finance stated that Ukraine will
[00:14:57] need more than 52
[00:15:00] billion dollars in international financial aid. The
[00:15:04] daily cost of the war rose, do you know to how much?
[00:15:08] 190 million dollars this year compared
[00:15:11] to 116 million in 2022,
[00:15:15] when this war began. Cabral, impressive numbers,
[00:15:19] huh? Yes, and all
[00:15:22] of this funded by the European
[00:15:25] continent, because Ukraine is bankrupt, Ukraine has no money for anything
[00:15:29] and what is happening, this is the other
[00:15:32] side, war usually has several facets,
[00:15:36] right, and this is an economic
[00:15:38] facet that is also dragging
[00:15:42] Russia down, right, the Russian sovereign fund has already gone
[00:15:46] to space, public debt has practically
[00:15:48] doubled, inflation, according to official numbers,
[00:15:52] is controlled, but there is a very big inflation
[00:15:56] problem there, they have very, very high
[00:15:59] interest rates, they increase their dependence on
[00:16:02] China, as China supplies a large
[00:16:06] part of the electronic components and other components that
[00:16:10] Russia needs to wage war, there is the
[00:16:14] issue of personnel shortage, right, Russia has
[00:16:18] a chronic problem of personnel shortage like Ukraine,
[00:16:21] but you see, as I said, Russia is not
[00:16:24] worried about this, Russia is worried
[00:16:28] about the issue of, let's say, the
[00:16:32] survival of the regime, a defeat in Ukraine
[00:16:35] could mean not only the
[00:16:38] end of Putin's regime, but
[00:16:41] also a possible fragmentation, this is
[00:16:45] a conversation that is happening within Russia, Russia cannot
[00:16:48] admit defeat, and that's it, if
[00:16:51] you remember some conversations, then come the threats
[00:16:54] from Medvedev, right, from
[00:16:58] other elements of the
[00:17:01] Russian leadership, saying, in
[00:17:04] extreme terms, we always have
[00:17:08] nuclear weapons, we will not be defeated on the battlefield,
[00:17:11] it's a very dangerous thing, right,
[00:17:15] Ursula von der Leyen has already talked about this, Marine Le Pen commented
[00:17:18] on this, right, look, we are at
[00:17:21] a very dangerous moment in the war, yes, well,
[00:17:25] dangerous moments of geopolitical
[00:17:27] tensions, right, tensions with war and commercial
[00:17:31] tensions, we often see countries reorganizing
[00:17:34] themselves, look at this news, I would really like your analysis.
[00:17:38] The Prime Minister of Canada gave a speech in the European Parliament
[00:17:41] this Thursday. Macron stated that Canada
[00:17:45] and Europe must ally to protect
[00:17:48] markets, democracies and the rule of law in a world
[00:17:52] dominated by the United States and China. Yesterday, the
[00:17:55] leader of the European Commission stated that Canada could become
[00:17:59] the first associate member of the Bloc.
[00:18:03] Guess what, Donald Trump spoke after the declaration. The president
[00:18:07] criticized the measure and threatened to
[00:18:10] cut trade with Europe. stated that he is not seeking
[00:18:13] to form a third bloc to act as a rival to Washington and
[00:18:17] Beijing. However, he reinforced that no one
[00:18:20] can dictate Canada's international agreements,
[00:18:23] Cabral. Look, this is a
[00:18:27] complex moment for the United States, largely Trump's fault,
[00:18:30] who was not skilled enough to
[00:18:33] close a deal with Canada.
[00:18:37] Things are extreme, Canada has a serious problem,
[00:18:41] it only has a surplus with the United States, its
[00:18:45] other two big partners, the European
[00:18:48] Union and China, it has huge
[00:18:51] deficits, more than 20 billion in trade
[00:18:55] deficit with China and
[00:18:58] almost 10 in deficit with the
[00:19:01] European Union, so what is left
[00:19:05] for it, right, to try to
[00:19:08] build alliances for the clash that
[00:19:12] is the fundamental clash for it, which is
[00:19:15] this alliance with the European Union aims
[00:19:19] basically at what? It aims to get better
[00:19:22] conditions in the negotiation with the United
[00:19:26] States. Now, the United States will not stop
[00:19:29] trade with the European Union and much less with Canada. At this moment they
[00:19:33] depend a lot on Canadian oil. So
[00:19:36] it's a bargain, but we have to see that it's a
[00:19:40] movement that also interests the Europeans,
[00:19:44] because Europe is also having very tough negotiations,
[00:19:47] not only with the United States, but also with China and these
[00:19:51] alliances, that's why they made an agreement with Mercosur,
[00:19:54] that's why they want an agreement with Canada,
[00:19:58] they will seek agreements with Japan and
[00:20:01] Korea and with the countries of the Middle East, this
[00:20:05] meeting that Trump will have with the Gulf Cooperation
[00:20:08] Council, there will also be a meeting with Ursula
[00:20:12] von der Leyen, they are trying to organize, which is a way of
[00:20:16] what? You balance the
[00:20:18] game in trade, of the geoeconomic pressures,
[00:20:22] when you have two big actors that are
[00:20:26] extremely aggressive against
[00:20:28] smaller partners, and look, the European Union is not that
[00:20:32] small, the European Union is the third, if we consider
[00:20:36] the totality, it's the third bloc in the world, hence also
[00:20:40] another concern, adding another country to this, another
[00:20:43] country, you mentioned the news, the United Kingdom,
[00:20:47] they are negotiating with the United Kingdom, doing with... people to bring the United
[00:20:51] Kingdom back, well, look, there's still more news
[00:20:55] coming in, all in real time, because still talking about
[00:20:58] Canada, Cabral, the country formally requested
[00:21:02] to join the military coalition led by the United Kingdom, the
[00:21:06] force, a group of 10 NATO member states is a rapid
[00:21:09] response military partnership. Canada, already a member of the North
[00:21:13] Atlantic Alliance, seeks closer military cooperation with European
[00:21:16] nations in an attempt to
[00:21:20] reduce dependence on the United States, so how do you see this
[00:21:23] whole movement? Look, it's another
[00:21:27] issue, for example, we could talk about several
[00:21:31] things about armament here, but I won't mention that, everyone, the
[00:21:34] European Union depends on American technological
[00:21:38] input, but this technological
[00:21:41] input serves as a weapon of
[00:21:44] coercion, intimidation, right,
[00:21:47] you force an
[00:21:51] alignment, right, that is, the United States can simply not
[00:21:54] approve the sale of weapons to the European Union, as is happening
[00:21:57] now, they need air defense systems,
[00:22:01] they, they decided to prioritize their
[00:22:04] allies in the Gulf at the expense of themselves,
[00:22:07] the Europeans, so the attempt by the
[00:22:11] European Union, Canada, and adding to this, South
[00:22:15] Korea and Japan to create a new
[00:22:18] technological hub that allows
[00:22:21] to replace some armaments that are
[00:22:25] supplied almost exclusively by
[00:22:28] the Americans, right, for example, long-range missiles
[00:22:32] are from the Americans that have them, right, missiles
[00:22:35] with beyond-visual-range for fighters, only
[00:22:38] the Americans have systems, these
[00:22:42] artificial intelligence
[00:22:44] systems, Europe is far behind, right, so
[00:22:48] it means it's a way of... of trying to have
[00:22:51] strategic autonomy,
[00:22:54] expanding, right, for you to get out of an alignment,
[00:22:58] you see the price that the Europeans are paying for not
[00:23:01] aligning themselves, because if it depended on the United States, they would have invaded the
[00:23:05] Gulf along with the Europeans, and the Europeans said:
[00:23:08] no, we are committed to Ukraine, we don't have
[00:23:12] money or strength to go to the Middle East,
[00:23:15] so these measures, including Brazil should think
[00:23:19] a lot about this. in having autonomy from these big centers
[00:23:22] not to be subordinate, right? well, there's another
[00:23:26] piece of news coming in here, it's also hot news, Cabral,
[00:23:30] the influential sister of the North Korean leader defended North
[00:23:33] Korea's nuclear arsenal. According to
[00:23:36] Kim Yo-jong, Pyongyang's position as a
[00:23:40] nuclear power is absolute and cannot be
[00:23:43] reversed under any circumstances.
[00:23:46] She also stated that the country's nuclear arsenal contributes greatly
[00:23:50] to deterring the outrageous acts of international
[00:23:53] criminals, this is the meaning of these
[00:23:57] weapons and classified as idiots those who expect
[00:24:01] denuclearization. Recently, Donald Trump says
[00:24:04] Pyongyang has 57 very powerful
[00:24:07] nuclear weapons while the UN estimates the number
[00:24:11] to be between 80 and 120.
[00:24:15] Cabral, look, the way the
[00:24:19] Russians are doing with North
[00:24:22] Korea, they will very quickly reach something
[00:24:25] close to 150 warheads, this is
[00:24:28] true, there is a pressure from the
[00:24:30] Europeans in general on North Korea
[00:24:34] to dismantle its nuclear arsenal, they will not
[00:24:38] do that, and they are
[00:24:40] attentive to the nuclearization of South
[00:24:44] Korea and Japan, Japan openly
[00:24:47] discusses the construction.
[00:24:58] it's a problem of enriching uranium, same for Korea
[00:25:01] South and both North Korea and
[00:25:05] Russia and China see
[00:25:08] this as a breakdown of
[00:25:11] the balance that exists in the Asia
[00:25:14] Pacific. The Americans observe this very
[00:25:17] carefully and
[00:25:20] point to the increase in the Chinese arsenal,
[00:25:23] which should reach 100 warheads by
[00:25:27] the end of this decade, and the
[00:25:31] modernization of the Russian nuclear arsenal, which
[00:25:35] is largely Soviet. They now practically have a
[00:25:38] new nuclear arsenal, even more modern than the
[00:25:41] Americans'. So the Americans look at this and
[00:25:45] are not, I wouldn't say encouraging, but allowing
[00:25:48] the ambitions... of Japan and Korea, who
[00:25:52] feel pressured
[00:25:54] by North Korea, by China and, in Japan's case,
[00:25:58] in addition to these two, by Russia, to nuclearize, uhm.
[00:26:02] This is a danger, right? We
[00:26:05] know how it starts, we
[00:26:09] don't know how it ends. The North Korean regime
[00:26:12] always plays high. When pressured,
[00:26:16] it goes forward. This week, query, they carried out a
[00:26:19] large exercise with missiles of various
[00:26:23] ranges: short, medium, and long range, with
[00:26:26] what everyone was astonished by: missiles
[00:26:30] that were nuclear, but without a nuclear warhead.
[00:26:41] What are these guys doing? The North Korean
[00:26:44] regime cannot be
[00:26:46] coerced to try
[00:26:50] a otherwise they will
[00:26:53] respond. There was a time when Russia
[00:26:57] could convince them, China
[00:26:59] currently has autonomy. The
[00:27:03] North Korean nuclear
[00:27:06] and they manage to say no to the Chinese and
[00:27:09] Russians, imagine to the Americans. Well,
[00:27:13] at a time when we are really seeing countries arming themselves,
[00:27:17] many really using this issue of having nuclear
[00:27:20] weapons as protection and without transparency,
[00:27:24] right? Today the situation is very complicated, Cabral.
[00:27:28] Yes, the International Atomic Energy Agency
[00:27:31] failed
[00:27:33] largely, but look, whose fault was it? You want, I'll
[00:27:37] list, I'll talk about the culprits, for
[00:27:41] example, Pakistan nuclear weapons,
[00:27:44] built nuclear weapons, detonated bombs. India too. Why weren't
[00:27:48] they punished? Because they were allies of the Soviet
[00:27:52] Union and the United States, right? Israel itself,
[00:27:54] Israel has nuclear weapons. How many weapons? No one
[00:27:58] knows, but it also was never questioned about
[00:28:02] the fact of not having nuclear weapons. North Korea,
[00:28:05] Iden, an ally of China and an ally of the Soviet
[00:28:08] Union, not the Soviet Union, because they didn't have nuclear weapons at that time,
[00:28:12] but an ally of Russia. So we had several countries that
[00:28:16] circumvented the nuclear
[00:28:19] weapons blockade, and currently the problem tends to
[00:28:23] worsen, because look,
[00:28:26] let's play fair and square here.
[00:28:30] Iran will have nuclear weapons.
[00:28:33] It apparently has agreements with North Korea and Pakistan
[00:28:36] so that when this confusion is over,
[00:28:40] it will have nuclear weapons because it sees balance. If Israel has it, I
[00:28:44] have to have it. Just to conclude, and within
[00:28:47] this conversation, it's like, if Israel has it, I have to have it.
[00:28:50] If Iran has it, I, Saudi Arabia, have to have it. The
[00:28:54] United Arab Emirates has already said, if Saudi Arabia has it, Iran
[00:28:57] has it, I also have to have it. Egypt has already told everyone,
[00:29:01] look, the Middle East
[00:29:04] nuclearized is a powder keg. Ah, I also want to have nuclear
[00:29:08] weapons, okay? Look at the mess you're making with
[00:29:12] this. Well, these countries all,
[00:29:15] we hope for peace, Cabral, it's always important to
[00:29:19] hear you. Thank you very much for the analysis. Have a good afternoon. See
[00:29:22] you next time. Thank you very much. Good afternoon everyone.
[00:29:25] And I hope we stay away from this, that this doesn't go forward.
[00:29:29] Exactly. Thank you once again. The Brazilian government
[00:29:32] publishes a decree readjusting the Bolsa Família. After the break,
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