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[00:00:00] Thank you, all right, that is American now for now, I'm Ben
[00:00:02] of Swan, have a great night, thanks for watching and be sure to tune in again every night,
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[00:00:10] everything.
[00:00:17] of non
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[00:00:43] of in Joining us now is
[00:00:43] a renowned diplomat, ambassador Kanwal Sabal, he is India's former foreign
[00:00:48] a secretary, among other things because he's been representing his country in many countries in the past, and
[00:00:52] it's an honor for us to be able to have a conversation, Mr. Ambassador, thank you so much for joining us,
[00:00:55] sir, my my pleasure, thanks for inviting me, I guess we got to start with this...
[00:01:00] situation that's going on, this
[00:01:02] of bruh between India and
[00:01:06] of Metta, how would you describe what's going on? is it a real, is it a real case, is it
[00:01:10] a real story or is the media just kind of going crazy with this thing? no, no,
[00:01:14] it's a real story, and the government of India has taken this very
[00:01:17] seriously, they summoned meta
[00:01:20] chief to India, he has come along with
[00:01:24] another senior executive to talk to the government of
[00:01:28] of India, because the... government is extremely
[00:01:31] unhappy that prime
[00:01:34] minister's address to the nation at
[00:01:38] midnight a particular day when this
[00:01:41] a agitation in Delhi was going on was not aired
[00:01:45] me by meta
[00:01:47] and the protesters what they were saying the
[00:01:51] agitators their statements and some
[00:01:53] of them were absolutely vicious in terms of language
[00:01:57] use was being freely uh
[00:02:00] propagated, which means that the algorithms have been done in
[00:02:04] such a way that anything which is anti
[00:02:06] a government will get amplified and
[00:02:10] of anything which explains the viewpoint
[00:02:12] of the government will be suppressed. five hours they did
[00:02:16] not air
[00:02:16] in this,
[00:02:17] in which has
[00:02:18] in rankled the government and they have summoned these people and they have come,
[00:02:22] i think today they are there, and apparently according to our the
[00:02:26] secretary in charge of our IT ministry, mac zakarb.
[00:02:30] has expressed his regret and said that they will
[00:02:33] now redo things in such a way that this does not, this does
[00:02:37] not get repeated, that is one issue, the other issue of course
[00:02:41] is child sexual abuse and stuff like that, which is a
[00:02:44] problem for Europe and for India, so this
[00:02:48] time we've told them that you going to lose
[00:02:51] of your safe harbor if you continue
[00:02:55] in not to deal with the issues that we are raising with you
[00:02:59] and also in the future when we raise issue with you, we don't want
[00:03:03] you to say,
[00:03:03] of bring a court order and stuff like that, this has to be within, i
[00:03:07] they given some time limit, i don't know what exactly
[00:03:12] of it is, i forgotten, they given time limit in which the objectionable material has to
[00:03:16] be removed from the platforms, we've had people on the air here at RT
[00:03:20] today saying that this could have turned dangerous because he what he was essentially trying
[00:03:24] to do was give an explanation to try and quell demonstrations that were
[00:03:28] going on in the country and if people in those demonstrations don't hear from their prime
[00:03:32] minister, those those those demonstrations could turn uh
[00:03:35] more violent, is is that a good point? do you agree with that? yes, of
[00:03:39] course, but this is true, this is correct. in fact, the whole
[00:03:43] thing, see the prime minister announced in his speech
[00:03:47] that all the youngsters who were guilty
[00:03:50] of the most abominable language directed against the
[00:03:54] government and the prime minister himself, will not be proceeded
[00:03:58] against legally, yeah.
[00:04:00] non there no firs or police reports
[00:04:04] filed against them because he said that look at the end
[00:04:06] of the day children are children they can commit mistakes, they should have a
[00:04:11] of chance to make amens, change the thinking, they have to
[00:04:15] be persuaded, the elders have to deal with this
[00:04:19] in a manner that the children are brought back into the right path, and if he then
[00:04:23] force them to spend their life in courts and in police stations, that's not the way to
[00:04:26] go about
[00:04:27] of it, but those who actually commuted. serious
[00:04:31] criminal offenses by attacking policemen and injuring them, some
[00:04:34] of them severely, those will be proceeded against.
[00:04:38] so now this is very important statement, but
[00:04:42] of then then of course the the met people did
[00:04:46] not, they did not relay it, they did not put it on their
[00:04:49] platforms, because the algorithms have been done in such a way that anything which is
[00:04:53] anti government will get air much more than something which actually
[00:04:57] explains the government's point of view. what do you make of? these algorithms that they
[00:05:01] use in social media, I'll give you
[00:05:02] of an example in my case, right? I mean, I have won emi awards, I have
[00:05:06] won p body awards, journalism awards, I
[00:05:10] of worked at CNN and NBC. interviewed four
[00:05:13] different presidents the United States and other prime ministers and world leaders,
[00:05:17] and yet now, simply because I'm based in
[00:05:21] Moscow, the algorithm says, I have to be excluded
[00:05:25] from YouTube, so they've taken down my name, my brand, my
[00:05:28] channel. It doesn't seem fair to me, I'm no different to journalist
[00:05:32] here than I was when I was working in Washington or New York or
[00:05:36] Miami, but the algorithms say now, I'm a bad
[00:05:39] guy. That doesn't seem fair to me. It's almost like what they're doing in
[00:05:43] this case, is it not? Well, I think you're using very mild words
[00:05:47] saying is not fair, I think is worse than that. I mean, this is
[00:05:51] contrary to all the values that they talk about a spouse, and they
[00:05:55] harang the rest the world with those values which
[00:05:59] which makes them feel morally and politically superior.
[00:06:02] This kind of, this kind of suppression of voices,
[00:06:06] not allowing the public to get access to different points of view by serious
[00:06:10] people. Now you are serious person. so it's not as if you
[00:06:13] are a propagandist of any
[00:06:16] kind, but look, at the moment I am in Paris and I
[00:06:20] see the French TV, my god, you would think that Russia is
[00:06:24] collapsing, it's finished as a country, it's on his last legs, is going to break
[00:06:28] up, and Kiev is successful in every possible
[00:06:31] way, and
[00:06:33] then any any drone thing that happens anywhere in Europe, this time in Germany
[00:06:37] somewhere near den or some place like that,
[00:06:40] again that these are the Russians, doing this and stuff like that, now this
[00:06:44] kind of brain washing that is going on, I can understand that you
[00:06:48] have kind of an honest debate where a person can hold these views, but then
[00:06:52] there is another person who gives different point of view so as so that the
[00:06:56] public can judge where really the truth lies, of course, but it is
[00:06:59] all one sided, you don't feel like watching television here, frankly, it's
[00:07:03] such such a comedown, let's talk a little bit what's going on in
[00:07:07] Iran, which is obviously the biggest story in the world and nobody seems to be able to figure it out
[00:07:11] including the president United States, here's what you just wrote, okay, this is your latest
[00:07:15] post, you say everything that could go wrong for the United States in Iran
[00:07:19] appears to have gone wrong, what began as attempt to force a strategic outcome has
[00:07:22] instead strengthened Iran's regional position and
[00:07:26] exposed the limits of American power, this is important to
[00:07:30] hear what you have to say, because you're such an experienced
[00:07:34] diplomat, do you feel like the United States just stepped in it, as
[00:07:37] we say in the west, well if this was the first time
[00:07:41] they did it. 'I would say that it was a mistake, but they've been doing it again and
[00:07:45] again, yeah, this is the problem, they think that they can get away with it and
[00:07:49] they don't learn lessons from history, after all Iraq, look
[00:07:53] what's happened to Iraq, what's happened to Libya, what happened to
[00:07:56] Syria, yugoslavia has been broken up, this hasn't brought
[00:08:00] about stability, peace, peace in this region
[00:08:04] or allows societies to function
[00:08:07] properly or or bring about growth and
[00:08:11] prosperity, nothing of'. Yeah, but this, but I repeat that
[00:08:15] mistake time and again, but this time, Mr. Ambassador, if I can interrupt you, it seems to be
[00:08:19] like this time, this might be the McDady of all uh,
[00:08:23] errors on on on the part the United States, because you're
[00:08:26] right, we lost a war in Vietnam, we
[00:08:29] lost Libya, we lost in Iraq, we lost in
[00:08:32] Afghanistan, and you could go right down the list, but nobody really
[00:08:36] notice, no, nobody really said, wow, the United States just got
[00:08:40] its butt kicked, right? "this time, that's
[00:08:44] what all the world is kind of saying, I think, maybe I'm looking at it from
[00:08:48] too far, you agree? well, actually,
[00:08:51] it is, it is very surprising that Iran has shown such
[00:08:55] capacity, such resilience, after all, it has been under
[00:08:59] sanctions for god knows how many decades, yeah, nevertheless, despite
[00:09:03] this, despite this, they have been able to develop
[00:09:06] military capabilities which are absolutely astonishing, yeah, of
[00:09:10] have the kind of military capabilities that" most countries in the global south
[00:09:14] simply don't have, how have they done it? and then their
[00:09:18] capacity to bear punishment, after all they have, they have been subject
[00:09:22] to, god knows how many thousands their targets have
[00:09:25] been been attack, the infrastructure has been attacked
[00:09:29] also, but nevertheless they are committed to a
[00:09:32] certain, they have committed to their country and they are willing to bear
[00:09:36] this punishment, now the biggest, biggest, biggest
[00:09:39] tool that they have in their hand which united states did not cater
[00:09:43] for and Trump to my mind quite surprisingly admitted that
[00:09:47] Iran will close the state of hormos, which would mean that this
[00:09:51] will affect the flow of oil through this region and then will affect global oil
[00:09:55] prices, yes, secondly that he will actually
[00:09:58] attack the gulf countries, now in so
[00:10:02] both both the state of hormones and the gulf countries have become
[00:10:06] hostage, because if he start destroying the energy infrastructure
[00:10:10] of Saudi Arabia or of UAE or the... the salination plants or
[00:10:13] whatever else and they have shown the capacity to do so because they have actually attacked
[00:10:17] successfully the US bases in the region which were
[00:10:20] defended now all these other civilian plants
[00:10:23] energy or water. selling nation, they are not defended, they're not,
[00:10:27] so they can be easily targeted. now if that happens, these
[00:10:31] societies in the Gulf will collaps and it will be dramatic
[00:10:35] consequence for this region and for the global economy. so I just don't
[00:10:39] know who the advisors of Mr. Trump are, whether he listens to anybody
[00:10:42] advice, what his world view is,
[00:10:44] what is his sense of geopolitics, I mean he thought that you
[00:10:47] know he can do a Venezuelan like operation in Iran and and get
[00:10:51] away with it, and now he has to live with the consequences and those
[00:10:55] consequences maybe in some senses Iran has become
[00:10:59] stronger, but this doesn't necessarily mean that tomorrow there is going to
[00:11:03] be sort of better geopolitical situation
[00:11:06] situation in this region, it won't be the case. you know what it
[00:11:10] is about India in particular from diplomatic standpoint,
[00:11:14] and I'm talking to the right guy to be asking this question, because you
[00:11:17] are you know supreme among the many diplomats that have come
[00:11:21] out of India over the hundreds of years, but ' India
[00:11:25] always plays the role the moderate and India
[00:11:29] is always able to be
[00:11:32] opportunistic about all things that happen in the
[00:11:36] world, and I ask you this because you, I've seen
[00:11:39] India do that regarding China, regarding the United States, regarding Europe,
[00:11:43] and most notably now regarding uh Russia when it comes to
[00:11:47] oil, for example, where used, you're now getting like a third of
[00:11:51] your crew from Russia where you weren't in the past and...
[00:11:55] because Russian oil
[00:11:56] is a premium and it's less expensive, makes sense, right? It's a business
[00:11:59] decision. So what I'm wondering is is I hear you talk about
[00:12:03] the rise of Iran, what will happen or what
[00:12:07] might happen in this relationship in the future
[00:12:10] between Iran and India, if indeed Iran comes out the
[00:12:14] victor in all of this? Well, from our point of
[00:12:17] view, we have to have, we have
[00:12:21] to, you know, very... delicately
[00:12:25] balance our ties in this region, because our ties with
[00:12:28] the gulf countries, especially with the UAE are extremely important, we
[00:12:32] have about 3.7 million expatriates in the UAE and about
[00:12:36] 9 to 10 million all together in in this region, but
[00:12:40] Iran is very important a very a very different way, mind
[00:12:44] you, at one time Iran was the second biggest supplier of
[00:12:48] oil to India until United States forced us with
[00:12:52] the threat of sanctions to stop buying oil from Iran. and
[00:12:55] since we could get oil from Iraq and Saudi Arabia
[00:12:59] and UAE and there other sources, so we sort
[00:13:02] of we sort of decided, all right, we have no
[00:13:06] choice, we will do it, but we will not be left high and dry because we have
[00:13:10] all alternative sources of supply, but tomorrow if there
[00:13:14] is an agreement in this region, Iran is right close to us,
[00:13:18] it is natural that we should have an energy ties with Iran
[00:13:22] and they can be revived and because of that, 'there will be
[00:13:26] such a there will be much more fallout in terms of economic ties and
[00:13:29] then of course there is a chabar port which links us to Afghanistan and central
[00:13:33] Asia, the international north south trade corridor which links
[00:13:37] India to Russia, these are projects which have not gone off the ground because of
[00:13:40] US sanctions and Iran's very troubled
[00:13:43] relationship with with the United States, but if tomorrow there is
[00:13:47] stability, these projects can also take off and it can
[00:13:51] benefit, it can benefit central Asia and benefit Russia, benefit'.
[00:13:55] India and then finally we need to have a balance between the shas and sunnis,
[00:13:59] frankly, the gulf countries are sunnis largely, Iran is
[00:14:03] Shia, we need to balance our relationship with with these
[00:14:06] two, you know,
[00:14:09] sectarian bits of the Islamic world,
[00:14:13] so that we are not seen as being close to one or close to
[00:14:17] the other, now you mentioned that India has been opportunistic, I would say not
[00:14:20] opportunistic, this is part of our philosophy right from the time that
[00:14:24] we this to be aligned during the during the cold war, that it
[00:14:28] didn't serve our interest to be on one side against the other, what for, if
[00:14:32] the other side doesn't do any harm to us, why should we be against the other side? yeah,
[00:14:36] right, is the same logic today, if we can have good relations with everybody, we
[00:14:40] would like to have them, there's only one sticking area
[00:14:44] where India has been getting a little bit of a blast of late
[00:14:48] from people around the world, of course these are all johnny come lately because people
[00:14:51] who never criticized Israel are all of sudden all over.
[00:14:55] Israel, it only took him a while to get there, but there there seems to be a
[00:14:59] sense that India might be a little too cozy with Israel, how would you
[00:15:02] respond to that? well, we have
[00:15:06] been cozy with Israel, no doubt after the Madrid
[00:15:10] peace accords, we establish diplomatic ties with
[00:15:14] Israel, and after that the Arab countries have never objected,
[00:15:18] in fact our relationship with Egypt with the Gulf
[00:15:21] countries, including Saudi Arabia, what have you, has blossomed.
[00:15:25] 'all these years when they knew very well what our ties
[00:15:29] with Israel were, even with Iran, we are maintain
[00:15:33] a certain level of ties, the Iranian presidents have visited
[00:15:36] India - prime minister has visited Iran, our foreign minister
[00:15:40] has visited Iran several times and they know that we are very close close
[00:15:44] relations with Israel, so they have understood that if you have close relations with
[00:15:48] Israel, the target are not the Palestinians, we were
[00:15:52] the first arab state to recognize Palestinian as a state
[00:15:56] and they opened their embassy in New Delhi and we continue to support their
[00:15:59] cause, but there are other reasons why we need close
[00:16:03] ties with Israel, because they have supplied us certain very critical
[00:16:07] technologi over these in the area of counter terrorism and since we have suffered
[00:16:10] from terrorism all these years, this is very very helpful,
[00:16:14] plus there are certain areas, some advanced missile
[00:16:18] technologies where they have collaborated with us
[00:16:21] and established very close ties with people working on
[00:16:25] these systems in India, so it's a very, it's a very
[00:16:29] mutually beneficial relationship, but from our point of
[00:16:33] view it does not come a cost of our relationship either with the
[00:16:37] Arab. world or or Iran whatever and I'll come back
[00:16:41] to the same thing, why should the Arab World and Iran then tell us like
[00:16:44] United States is telling us right, friendly with Russia, so why should they tell us
[00:16:48] don't be friendly with Israel? no, it's consistent, it's consistent with, I mean if you
[00:16:52] study India's mo as much as I have tried to, it's
[00:16:55] consistent with what India's diplomatic policies
[00:16:59] have long been. I mean, the only thing I would add though, in
[00:17:03] this case though, how do you skirt the issue the uh...
[00:17:07] genocide concern that so many people raise, how do you deal
[00:17:11] with that?
[00:17:13] it is very difficult issue, but if there is anybody responsible
[00:17:17] for this genocide in terms of
[00:17:19] support, which is that country? let ask
[00:17:23] you, and which is that country which has actually
[00:17:26] given full political, military, security cover to
[00:17:30] Israel to do what it did. are you referring to my country, mr.
[00:17:33] ambassador? well,
[00:17:35] you know, i don't want to say all the time America, America, America, but
[00:17:39] is clear, yeah, so rather than focusing on India, if
[00:17:43] you have kind of relationship with Israel, which is not
[00:17:47] at all the same dimension, I mean if the US, Israel
[00:17:51] dimension was 100, our dimension Israel is one, I mean, so
[00:17:54] why blame us for what Israel has done in Gaza and
[00:17:58] this and that and that, but to to be more serious answering your question
[00:18:02] it is a problem, yeah, there are no voices in
[00:18:06] India which are... feeling awkward about the fact that we have
[00:18:10] very close ties with Israel and Israel has dragged us into a
[00:18:13] situation where we seem to be some some
[00:18:17] way not sufficiently vocal enough in order to condemn
[00:18:20] Israel for what has been done in Gaza. our opposition
[00:18:24] parties are pretty open, they condemn Israel. government is more careful
[00:18:28] because they balance the positives and negatives and they don't feel that they are
[00:18:32] any way responsible for this and the countries which
[00:18:36] actually ought to... be able to to win Israel
[00:18:40] away from this method of dealing with
[00:18:42] opposition is the United States of America and
[00:18:46] now the United States of America has teamed up with Israel to hit at
[00:18:50] Iran creating even a further problem
[00:18:54] so therefore i i would say yes it's an issue but we have
[00:18:58] to see things in proportion yeah in diplomacy it is
[00:19:02] never that things are always lily white and every every
[00:19:05] way there are compromises here. there but they should be compromises which
[00:19:09] are defensible. It's a fair answer and I think uh that
[00:19:12] you've uh you you've met it head on and I appreciate that and I think our viewers all over the world
[00:19:16] watching us right now, millions of people are listening to your words and I think
[00:19:20] uh that you've uh you you you've walked that balance
[00:19:24] of this difficult situation very well and and expressed
[00:19:28] yourself very well. Uh, what do you think of Mr. Modi? Is
[00:19:32] he good, is he good PM? I think in the
[00:19:36] last uh... 10 years of his
[00:19:39] governance and more, he
[00:19:42] has brought a great deal of
[00:19:45] change in India, economic
[00:19:49] growth has been sustained, infrastructure has been
[00:19:52] developed, especially road and railways, remarkable
[00:19:56] change there, the IT sector is doing extremely well,
[00:20:00] now he has embarked upon a mission to
[00:20:03] develop critical technologies in India, semiconductor and whatever.
[00:20:07] you lot of money, lot of money is going into into this, he is giving
[00:20:11] tax holidays to companies which can come and set up
[00:20:15] fabrication units in India in these
[00:20:18] critical areas, so he's looking ahead, I mean
[00:20:22] his goal by 2047 is that India should be developed
[00:20:25] country, now we won't be there in 2047, we won't
[00:20:29] be there either, but nevertheless this is what his
[00:20:33] aspiration is and he is working towards that now.
[00:20:37] "the international environment has become much more difficult, at one time is seen that it
[00:20:41] will be smoother sailing than
[00:20:43] it is now with the kind of policy that Trump is pursuing, he w the
[00:20:46] entire international system, political, security."
[00:20:50] so how do we navigate
[00:20:52] and he has created a lot of tensions in relations with India and we were depending
[00:20:56] on United States as as a key partner for
[00:20:59] modernizing our country for developing our manufacturing in the most advanced
[00:21:03] sectors for big time investments and this and that now
[00:21:07] that that has been interrupted but let's see Trump will will not be
[00:21:11] there forever and hopefully the Americans will find a new president who is a
[00:21:14] little more reasonable and has better sense of
[00:21:17] geopolitics so... on the whole I would say
[00:21:21] that Modi is doing extremely well, but
[00:21:25] but but but people are many people in
[00:21:28] India, the opposition parties and many almost
[00:21:32] congenital anti Indian forces abroad are not happy, they don't want a
[00:21:36] strong India, because a strong India can't be manipulated, a
[00:21:40] weak India or an India that is not sure of itself, which
[00:21:43] needs needs to make compromises externally to be
[00:21:46] able to get the things that I mentioned. that
[00:21:50] India they like, that India they like, India they can talk down
[00:21:54] to India, they can lecture, and whose internal
[00:21:58] affairs they can interfere with, so this
[00:22:02] is where the problem is, unfortunately for us, our internal lobbies
[00:22:06] and certain external lobbies and think tanks in the media, now look,
[00:22:10] we have some excellent relations with some European
[00:22:13] countries, including this country where I am currently,
[00:22:17] but look at their media,
[00:22:19] it is not at all sympathetic to India, no right, and
[00:22:22] here's the case with Britain, Britain is not at all sympathetic towards
[00:22:26] India, German media is not sympathetic towards India, though mind you at the
[00:22:30] political level, India and Germany, India and France, India and the
[00:22:33] UK, India and the US, US press is very negative about India at
[00:22:37] the official level, there is good understanding, there is
[00:22:41] a feeling that we must move forward together, but they use the media
[00:22:45] to keep us, keep us unbalanced, to make us look towards
[00:22:48] them, to make a ple you to to sort of
[00:22:52] exploit our weaknesses within within our system, because
[00:22:56] 1.4 billion people with so many ethnic groups and
[00:23:00] religions and cultures and languages, there is lot of scope for
[00:23:03] mischief, always
[00:23:05] they always will be pp, people will be unhappy a
[00:23:08] democratic society of 1.4 billion people, so this
[00:23:12] gives this gives gives an opportunity for others to interfere in
[00:23:16] our relation and they want to do that, but we have to coke with this, it's funny how
[00:23:20] this works in America, India, America relations, cuz on the
[00:23:24] one hand, from a personal or familiar standpoint, right?
[00:23:28] I'll give you an example, just using myself as an example, I live in Miami, and
[00:23:31] my doctor, he's an Indian American, my lawyer,
[00:23:35] Ravi, he's an Indian American, so the
[00:23:39] depth and breathth the penetration of
[00:23:43] India and its culture and its people in America is
[00:23:46] vast, as obviously you well know, because you're well.
[00:23:50] but the perception of India outside the people who are
[00:23:54] from India who live in America is not wide and
[00:23:58] varied, in fact too often it's
[00:24:01] stereotypical if anything
[00:24:03] else. Is that your
[00:24:06] perception as well? we not able
[00:24:10] to change that, because in part this meta
[00:24:14] business, control over these platforms, international platforms and
[00:24:18] their algorithms and everything else. "it's a very powerful tool
[00:24:22] that's available to the west, the United States America to
[00:24:26] shape narratives and they play very very major role,
[00:24:30] especially because the youngsters now only want
[00:24:33] to have access to these platforms, they don't read any serious
[00:24:36] journals or newspapers or whatever you, and their minds can be
[00:24:40] conditioned, certain narratives can be promoted, and we don't have the
[00:24:44] tools, the Chinese have shielded themselves, but democratic India can't shield
[00:24:47] itself, so we are constantly fighting. this battle of
[00:24:51] changing the narratives, but even if we have story to
[00:24:55] sell, who will pick it up, who will pick it up, the
[00:24:59] international media not going to pick it up, these platforms are not going to pick it up,
[00:25:03] i will, we will, we'll do it, we'll put it here, that's what we try to
[00:25:06] do, mean, and uh, and we've got a pretty big audience,
[00:25:10] no, but you're absolutely right, i get what you're saying, i think it's hard
[00:25:14] to fight the hollywoodization the media in the
[00:25:18] United States,
[00:25:19] you know, one they what they do with movies about India for example,
[00:25:23] they make it look like the country's a slum when when it's far
[00:25:27] far far from that, they they they don't they don't accentuate the
[00:25:31] the the economic capabilities the country where it's going and
[00:25:34] instead we get the that stereotypical same as Russia same as China
[00:25:38] same as Muslims in the Middle East
[00:25:42] and and that's that's the culpart in the end. I think you're absolutely
[00:25:45] right, Mr. Ambassador, how do we change that, because that's...
[00:25:50] ke to be able to change people's acceptance the world and other
[00:25:53] countries. in 1970s Mrs. Indira
[00:25:56] Gandhi was at the head
[00:26:00] the what we now called the global south or the
[00:26:03] online countries in UNESCO to build
[00:26:07] new information order, new world information
[00:26:11] order, because the feeling back then,
[00:26:14] and
[00:26:15] this is
[00:26:16] f decades ago that the narratives about the rest the world were
[00:26:20] being controlled by the west, so we need a
[00:26:23] changed change in the information system, but it
[00:26:27] hasn't happened, on the contter
[00:26:28] to the development these platforms, now there is even a bigger grip.
[00:26:33] the western media broadly defined
[00:26:36] including social media on defining
[00:26:40] global narratives. I feel like I've just had a long conversation with a
[00:26:44] friend, we could go on forever, but we'll have to do it another time. Mr.
[00:26:48] Ambassador uh Khanwal, it's such an honor and a pleasure and you've been so
[00:26:52] gracious with your time. We thank you for spending such wonderful time with
[00:26:55] us. My pleasure, thank you very much. All right, well that's
[00:26:59] that's it for us. It's always a wonderful opportunity. to be able to speak to
[00:27:03] someone who gives you a you know a true measure of uh
[00:27:07] nation in his case, I mean this is one the most respected and uh diplomats in
[00:27:11] the world and to be able to go through the litany of all the questions that need to
[00:27:15] be asked about you know including my conversation with him about his
[00:27:19] relationship or his country's relationship with Israel which is really a
[00:27:23] as they would say they're a sticky wicket issue right um and he
[00:27:26] was honest you know and he was transparent and he took on the
[00:27:30] questions that's so important I'm so glad that we're able to do this for you
[00:27:33] and I'm so glad that you're there to let us do this for you, thanks so much for being with us, we're
[00:27:37] going to share this of course on X and on Spotify and it'll be on
[00:27:41] bit shooting, believe it or not, people, I don't have a channel on
[00:27:45] YouTube, but yes last night my wife and I were looking at YouTube, so
[00:27:49] people on YouTube are now taking our shows and putting it on the
[00:27:53] air and they're getting tens of thousands of views, has nothing
[00:27:57] to do with us, people just take it and put it on there cuz they want people to see it,
[00:28:01] whoever you are, thank you. Thank you, that's nice, I guess,
[00:28:05] uh, and then there's bit shoot, uh, you know, I've joined bit shoot because
[00:28:08] they promise they won't take my stuff down, they will not cancel me, they won't
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[00:28:20] homes, I'm Rick Sanchez, and we'll look for you next
[00:28:22] time.
[00:28:46] Take a fresh look around at life, colydoscopic, isn't
[00:28:50] it? A shattered reality distorted by
[00:28:54] power, tired vision with no real
[00:28:57] opinions, pictures designed to
[00:29:01] simplify or... fews, who really wants a
[00:29:05] better world, and is it just for the chosen
[00:29:08] few? fractured images presented as
[00:29:12] fact, can you see through their illusions? going
[00:29:15] underground
[00:29:16] can,
[00:29:29] you're walking what 26, 2,800 miles for peace? you need
[00:29:33] positive stuff right now, it's
[00:29:36] the, I mean, they're walking for peace, it's something that they're doing, it's
[00:29:39] phenomenal, monks have not asked one
[00:29:43] person to conform to their religion, they only want to
[00:29:46] bring the attention to peace and everybody needs to listen
[00:29:50] to
[00:29:50] that,
[00:29:56] the crowd surprised us the most uh, with everyone coming out,
[00:30:00] as far as the crowd, it just started like... and progressively like
[00:30:04] small, we have
[00:30:08] to continue our walk for the rest of our life to turn
[00:30:12] this world into a beautiful world, will you walk with
[00:30:15] us?
[00:30:19] pm
[00:30:19] on the east coast, I'm
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