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[00:00:00] is worth hundreds or thousands of palestinian lives,
[00:00:03] not million, it's 10 million, okay?
[00:00:07] that just sounds racist.
[00:00:24] I'm Rick
[00:00:25] a Sanchez. What would you do if somebody tried to kill your
[00:00:28] family? while they're at
[00:00:30] a restaurant, or your children while they're building sand castle
[00:00:34] a beach. man, I
[00:00:37] of know what I would do, you probably would do the same thing, right? now we also know
[00:00:41] what the Russian military would do, after three days
[00:00:43] of of deadly attacks on families, on diners, on beach
[00:00:47] goers, on children. Russia struck back last
[00:00:50] night, bombing military installations that produced the drones
[00:00:54] and the missiles
[00:00:55] of that were likely used to attack those children and those families
[00:00:59] even. At the
[00:01:00] in beach.
[00:01:01] in Watch.
[00:01:09] See, those are the images that you're looking at right there, images
[00:01:13] of the strikes. Now, those buildings, those are that are being
[00:01:17] hit, are described by Russian Intel as transport
[00:01:20] and logistics facilities for NATO's drone war
[00:01:24] against Russia. So, Russia used long-range
[00:01:27] weapons to target and hit these. compounds that are used
[00:01:31] to store and distribute the long and medium range
[00:01:35] drone parts. They also identified something interesting I never heard
[00:01:39] about before. They targeted what sounds like the motherload of drone technology that they
[00:01:43] found
[00:01:43] of through Intel, right? It's a, it's called an automated
[00:01:47] innovation center.
[00:01:48] There it is right there, where all the drone parts, the robotic systems and the
[00:01:52] electronic warfare equipment is stacked and stored and then
[00:01:56] of shipped out as needed to all the different parts of Ukraine to feed
[00:01:59] of Mr. Zelensky.
[00:02:30] white paper, document, which calls for longer range
[00:02:34] of missiles, counterstrike capabilities, and closer tise
[00:02:38] between its military and the country's private tech
[00:02:42] companies to
[00:02:44] non possibly of use against china. now this is not sitting well with
[00:02:48] china right now,
[00:02:50] of right? china has reacted in the last 24 hours calling the white paper
[00:02:54] document
[00:02:55] of replete with false narratives and
[00:02:57] a exaggerated security risks. sound familiar. so how
[00:03:00] of far will China go
[00:03:02] in to ensure that Tokyo doesn't rearm itself,
[00:03:06] right? remilitarize as it did when it
[00:03:10] attacked China and the United States back during
[00:03:14] World War II, because that's really what this is all about,
[00:03:17] right? so
[00:03:18] of listen to what this Chinese businessman and government advisor
[00:03:22] told me when I talked to him, this was back in
[00:03:25] February, and I asked him, what will China do
[00:03:29] if Japan? and continues down this road of rearming
[00:03:33] itself. watch what he says: there are
[00:03:36] terms for Japan, never to constitute another military
[00:03:40] threat against China, otherwise they will be in
[00:03:43] of breach
[00:03:43] of their unconditional surrender terms and China,
[00:03:47] being victor nation, has the absolute full right to
[00:03:51] strike at Japan to prevent the rise of
[00:03:55] Japanese militarism or new Japanese fascism.
[00:03:58] of I have declared on many occasions, the moment Japan possesses
[00:04:02] nuclear weapon will be the moment
[00:04:05] of the annihilation of Japan as a state,
[00:04:08] period, period, the
[00:04:11] non annihilation, he said, if they go with nuks or develop
[00:04:15] nukes. Japan,
[00:04:17] you know, is not the only country that used China as a threat in the United States, the Trump
[00:04:21] administration has all but created a red scare regarding China since
[00:04:24] he's been in office. It's mostly hype, mostly
[00:04:28] politics, you know, but "that is not stopping the
[00:04:32] usual fearmongers from
[00:04:35] weaponizing, in this case educational
[00:04:39] of
[00:04:40] a exchanges. look at this headline, right? this is the global times, it spells out the key
[00:04:44] a question that no one has yet answered. how is limiting or stopping
[00:04:48] or or or deporting Chinese international students going to make the United
[00:04:52] States safer country? it
[00:04:54] won't,
[00:04:56] you know what it will do,
[00:04:58] of it's probably going to make it..." students from china
[00:05:02] and India and other Asian countries regularly triple
[00:05:05] outscore all other students at US universities I
[00:05:09] mean by a wide margin right? so much
[00:05:13] so that it's almost like a running gag in movies that even
[00:05:17] Hollywood puts out or memes that you see on social
[00:05:20] media, but right now, look,
[00:05:24] America, my country, is an angry place, it's not
[00:05:27] exactly a place that's fostering a welcoming environment, which is
[00:05:31] why as ridiculous as it may sound, suddenly Chinese students are the
[00:05:35] enemy, they're seen as a national security threat bause they go there
[00:05:39] to attend us universities, he... Here is what the
[00:05:43] global times says in its editorial about this. I'll read it
[00:05:46] to you. It says quote, how exactly do international
[00:05:50] students threaten US national security? This report offers
[00:05:53] zero evidence, this white paper, student visa policy has become
[00:05:57] deeply devisive and highly politicized in the United States. Since last year, US
[00:06:01] immigration and customs enforcement, ice agents, they've
[00:06:05] arrested foreign students, triggered widespread panic across the United
[00:06:09] States and international community. "as
[00:06:13] you look at that, it's kind of hard to disagree right, especially when
[00:06:17] students, some of whom who aren't even
[00:06:20] Chinese, but they look Chinese or they have parents who are
[00:06:24] Chinese are also being attacked and excluded. listen to
[00:06:28] this young man story. one of my main concerns was
[00:06:32] that is the fact that I am Asian American something that actually benefits me or
[00:06:35] something that actually disadvantages me. my dad ended up joining this fight as
[00:06:39] well, so my dad and a bunch of other leaders..." Asian-American community
[00:06:43] formed the Asian-American Coalition of Education, with that coalition
[00:06:47] together, they together filed a joint complaint
[00:06:51] against Harvard University. Since 2014 we
[00:06:54] have lots of progress and I always ask
[00:06:57] my son and well contributed the
[00:07:01] community, service for the
[00:07:02] community.
[00:07:07] He's really not even Chinese. Here's another one about
[00:07:11] this kind theme right? Right, that we talked about this yesterday, remember yesterday we were
[00:07:15] talking about Israel's finance minister, the guy who said he doesn't want the
[00:07:19] United States to know this, guess what, we know
[00:07:23] now, but it's better to have American soldiers fighting Iran
[00:07:27] rather than Israeli soldiers fighting Iran, and and he inferred that
[00:07:30] Israel is deploying the United States military in Iran,
[00:07:34] so Israel doesn't have to do the fighting, and so Iran can
[00:07:38] be weakened. Well, this comment underscored what,
[00:07:42] many Americans are now saying out loud that Israel has
[00:07:46] some kind of superiority complex that has involved
[00:07:50] now them taking advantage of America's benevolence
[00:07:54] right, but if you thought that comment was
[00:07:57] crazy, by the way, that comment went viral, if you thought that
[00:08:01] comment was bad, wait until you hear the one I'm about to play for
[00:08:05] you, so this is apparently some guy on the West Bank, he's being asked
[00:08:09] by reporter why he feels... and he's representative the
[00:08:13] views there by the way, why he feels Israel are
[00:08:17] better than other people other races, especially of
[00:08:20] course when it comes to Palestinians, watch what he
[00:08:24] says, now after they kill one Israeli
[00:08:27] people, we need to kill all the people in Tel and
[00:08:31] Sarah, even jit and farata,
[00:08:35] why? because we don't want to happen
[00:08:38] again. it sounds like you're saying one Jewish life.
[00:08:43] is worth hundreds or thousands of palestinian lives,
[00:08:46] not million. one
[00:08:50] Jewish life, it's 10 million.
[00:08:54] okay, that just sounds racist. yes, i
[00:08:57] know. i know, but this is the
[00:09:01] true, because god choose us, because
[00:09:05] of this, you are jealous.
[00:09:08] wow, did you hear that?
[00:09:12] is worth more than 10 million because that's the way God wants
[00:09:16] it to be for his chosen
[00:09:19] people. you
[00:09:22] know, when I when I when I first saw this comment as I was
[00:09:26] preparing this newscast, this show for us, I
[00:09:30] thought that more often than not, when when people
[00:09:34] describe Israelis and that Israelis believe that or that kind of rhetoric
[00:09:38] that's coming from Israelis, I i've always thought,
[00:09:42] come on. they don't really think like that, they would never say that kind of thing, they don't really
[00:09:45] believe that kind of thing, and then and then I hear it for
[00:09:49] myself, right, and and I can't help but
[00:09:52] think, my god, these people are
[00:09:56] serious, this is how they really
[00:09:58] think, it's not like just
[00:10:02] him, right, I mean, this is a chorus that we
[00:10:05] hear over and over again,
[00:10:08] scary, I mean, here, listen for yourself, one...
[00:10:12] time, his words, one
[00:10:16] jewish life, it's 10 million,
[00:10:20] okay,
[00:10:24] i want to tell you about a US congressman, I know this guy buse I covered him when he
[00:10:28] was running for office, I'm going to show him to you here, his name is Rapael
[00:10:32] Warnock, he's from Georgia, he's a democrat, not
[00:10:34] exactly the type of US politician one would
[00:10:38] expect to be defending Russia by the way, but he's kind of defending
[00:10:42] Russia, I'll tell you how, what he's actually defending is
[00:10:46] America's right not to have to continue to pay higher prices
[00:10:50] every time they go buy something, which is what automatically
[00:10:53] happens we know.
[00:11:25] United States, in honor of Lindsay Graham, the Congress wants
[00:11:28] President Trump to now impose what Lindsay would have wanted,
[00:11:32] 100% tariffs on China, Russia and
[00:11:35] Iran and all the countries who do business with China,
[00:11:39] Russia and Iran, right, because this is what Lindsay would have
[00:11:43] wanted in his death, I guess, this dude, Warnock, the
[00:11:47] Democrat from Georgia, says that's crazy, so
[00:11:51] here he is, in fact in the past, not too long ago, telling the...
[00:11:55] treasury secretary uh, what
[00:11:58] tariffs do to American families?
[00:12:01] listen, well, you should talk
[00:12:04] to the people in Georgia, they they will tell you sir,
[00:12:07] that whatever tax relief you think you gave them was
[00:12:11] more than taken up by these
[00:12:14] tariffs, they they they according to according to
[00:12:18] the yall budget lab, the administration's tariffs cost families three
[00:12:22] times as much as they got back. "here's the real
[00:12:26] irony in all of this: while the United States and the
[00:12:29] west are talking about taxing Russian oil and gas
[00:12:33] and tariffs on Russian oil and gas and punishing Russia you
[00:12:37] know because because it's selling oil to people and they don't want them to be
[00:12:41] selling oil to anybody like it's their business, but anyway
[00:12:44] uh there's a new report, amidst all that, there's a new report out
[00:12:48] that seems to show that Belgium, which
[00:12:52] is the epicenter, the very hard..."
[00:13:26] um, they can't make it through one day without Russian gas, while
[00:13:30] they're hating on Russia, criticizing Russia,
[00:13:34] a daily basis, bad Russia, give me your oil, give me your gas, we need
[00:13:38] it, I mean, right, you can't make
[00:13:42] this stuff up, when we come back, we
[00:13:45] told you yesterday about YouTube taking down my
[00:13:49] account, right, this is what happens in social media, well now
[00:13:52] Meta has apparently also taken that. the video of somebody
[00:13:56] who is much more important than Rick Sanchez by about 1 million
[00:14:00] times, the prime minister of India, if you can believe that,
[00:14:04] that's right, Mr. Modi's video was taken down, the Indian
[00:14:08] government's upset because what he put out was important, it could have stopped people
[00:14:11] from demonstrating and possibly getting hurt, they're not
[00:14:15] happy about this, what's going on, we're going to talk about this with our
[00:14:19] guest, ambassador Khanwal Sabal, who is India's former foreign
[00:14:23] secretary, he's... Graceus with his presence, when we come back, do not go
[00:14:27] away. We kick
[00:14:31] off the new season of Inland Visions from El Bruce, the
[00:14:34] roof of Russia, where every step and view takes your breath
[00:14:38] away, so join us as we take the show to new
[00:14:41] heights.
[00:15:04] Joining us now is renowned diplomat, ambassador Kanwal Sabal, he is
[00:15:07] India's former foreign secretary, among other things, because he's been representing his country
[00:15:11] and many countries in the past, and it's an honor for us to be able to have a conversation. Mr.
[00:15:15] Ambassador, thank you so much for joining us, sir, my my pleasure, thanks for
[00:15:19] inviting. I guess we got to start with this situation that's going on, this
[00:15:22] bruha between... India and
[00:15:26] Metta uh, how would you describe what's going on? Is it a real
[00:15:30] uh, is it a real case, is it a real story, or is the media just kind of going crazy with this
[00:15:34] thing? No, no, it's the real story and the government of India. has taken
[00:15:38] this very seriously, they summoned meta
[00:15:42] Chief to India, he has come along with
[00:15:45] another senior executive to talk to the government of
[00:15:49] India, because the government is
[00:15:52] extremely unhappy that prime
[00:15:55] ministers address to the nation at
[00:15:59] midnight a particular day when this agitation in Delhi was going
[00:16:03] on, was not aired by meta.
[00:16:07] h and the protesters, what they
[00:16:11] were saying, the agitators, their statements, some them were
[00:16:15] absolutely vicious in terms of language use, was
[00:16:19] being freely propagated, which
[00:16:23] means that the algorithms have been done in such a way that anything which is
[00:16:27] anti-government will get
[00:16:30] amplified, and anything which explains the viewpoint the government will be
[00:16:34] suppressed, five hours they did not, a
[00:16:38] this which has rankled the government and they have
[00:16:41] summoned these people and they have come, i think today they are there and
[00:16:45] apparently according to our the secretary in charge of our it
[00:16:48] ministry mac zakarb has expressed his
[00:16:52] regret and said that they will now
[00:16:56] redo things in such a way that this does not this does not get
[00:16:59] repeated that is one issue the other issue of course is
[00:17:03] child sexual abuse and stuff like that which is a problem
[00:17:07] uh for Europe and for India, so this time we've told them
[00:17:11] that you going to lose your safe harbor if you
[00:17:14] continue not to deal with the
[00:17:18] issues that we are raising with you, and also in the future when
[00:17:22] we raise issue with you, we don't want you to say bring a court order and
[00:17:26] stuff like that, this has to be within, they given some time
[00:17:29] limit, I don't know what exactly
[00:17:31] it is, I forgotten, they've given time limit in
[00:17:34] which the objectionable material. has to be
[00:17:38] removed from the platforms, we've had people on the air here at RT
[00:17:41] today saying that this could have turned dangerous because he what he was essentially trying
[00:17:45] to do was give an explanation to try and quell demonstrations that were
[00:17:49] going on in the country, and if the people in those demonstrations don't hear from their prime
[00:17:53] minister, those those those demonstrations could
[00:17:57] turn uh more violent, is is that a good point? do you agree with that? yes, of
[00:18:01] course, but this is true, this is correct, in fact the whole
[00:18:04] thing, see the prime minister announced in his speech,
[00:18:08] that all the youngsters who were guilty
[00:18:12] the most abominable language directed against the
[00:18:15] government and the prime minister himself will not be proceeded
[00:18:19] against legally, yeah there no
[00:18:22] firs or police reports filed
[00:18:25] against them because he said that look at the end the day children are children,
[00:18:29] they can commit mistakes, they should have a chance to
[00:18:33] make amends, change the thinking, they have to be persuaded.
[00:18:37] "the elders have to deal with this a manner that the children are
[00:18:41] brought back into the right path and if he then force them to spend their
[00:18:45] life in courts and in police stations, that's not the way to go about it, but
[00:18:49] those who actually commuted serious criminal
[00:18:53] offenses by attacking policeman and injuring them, some them
[00:18:56] severely, those will be proceeded against.
[00:18:59] so now this is very important statement, but
[00:19:03] then then of course the the mata people..."
[00:19:07] did not, they did not relate it, they did not put it on their
[00:19:11] platforms, because the algorithms have been done in such a way that anything which is
[00:19:15] anti government will get air much more than something which actually
[00:19:19] explains the government's point of view. what do you make these algorithms that they
[00:19:22] use in social media? give you an example in my case, right? mean i have won
[00:19:26] emi awards, i have won p body awards, journalism
[00:19:29] awards, i've worked at CNN and NBC, i've
[00:19:33] interviewed four different presidents the United States and prime
[00:19:37] ministers and world leaders and yet now simply because
[00:19:41] I'm based in Moscow, the algorithm says I have to
[00:19:45] be excluded from YouTube, so they've taken down my name, my
[00:19:49] brand, my channel. It doesn't seem fair to me, I'm no different to
[00:19:53] journalist here than I was when I was working in Washington or New
[00:19:57] York or Miami, but the algorithms say now I'm a
[00:20:01] bad guy. That doesn't seem fair to me, it's almost
[00:20:04] like what they're doing in this case, is it not? Well, I think...
[00:20:07] you're using very mild words saying is not fair, i think is worse
[00:20:11] than that. mean, this is contrary to all the values that
[00:20:14] they talk about in his spouse, and they harang the rest the world
[00:20:18] with those values which which makes them feel
[00:20:21] morally and politically superior. this kind of sending, this kind
[00:20:25] of suppression of voices, not allowing the public to get
[00:20:29] access to different points of view by serious people. now you are serious
[00:20:33] person, so it's not as if you are a propagandast.
[00:20:37] of any kind, but look, at the moment I am in Paris and
[00:20:41] I see the French TV, my god, you would think that Russia
[00:20:45] is collapsing, it's finished as a country, it's on his last legs, he's going to break
[00:20:49] up. "and Kiev is successful in every possible
[00:20:53] way, and then any any drone thing that happens anywhere in
[00:20:57] Europe, this time in Germany somewhere near den or some place like
[00:21:01] that, again that these are the Russians who are doing this and stuff like
[00:21:05] that, now this kind of win washing that is going on, I can
[00:21:08] understand that you have kind of an honest debate where a
[00:21:11] person can hold these views, but then there is another person who gives different point
[00:21:15] of view so as so that the public can judge where really the
[00:21:19] truth."
[00:21:22] of course, it is all one sided, you don't feel like watching television here, frankly, it's such such a
[00:21:26] come down. let's talk a little bit, what's going on in Iran, which is obviously
[00:21:30] the biggest story in the world, and nobody seems to be able to figure it out, including the president the united
[00:21:34] states. here's what you just wrote, okay, this is your latest post, you say
[00:21:37] everything that could go wrong for the United States in Iran appears to have gone
[00:21:41] wrong, what began as attempt to force a strategic outcome has instead
[00:21:45] strengthened Iran's regional position and exposed the
[00:21:48] limits. power, this is important to hear
[00:21:52] what you have
[00:21:53] to say, because you're such an experienced diplomat, do you feel like the United
[00:21:57] States just stepped in it as we say, in the
[00:22:00] west? well, if this was the first time they did
[00:22:03] it, I would say that it was a mistake, but they've been doing it again and again,
[00:22:07] yeah, this is the problem, they think that they can get away with it, and they don't
[00:22:11] learn lessons from history, after all, Iraq, look what's happened
[00:22:15] to Iraq, what's happened to Libya, what's happened
[00:22:18] to Syria, has been broken up, this hasn't brought
[00:22:22] about stability, peace, peace in this region
[00:22:26] or allows societies to function
[00:22:29] properly or or bring about growth and
[00:22:32] prosperity, nothing the kind, yeah, but repeat that
[00:22:36] mistake time and again, but this time, mr. ambassador, if I can interrupt you, it seems to be
[00:22:40] like this time, this might be the macddy of all
[00:22:44] uh errors on on on the part the United States buse, you're
[00:22:47] right, we lost a war. vietnam, we
[00:22:50] lost Libya, we lost in Iraq, we lost in
[00:22:54] Afghanistan, and you could go right down the list, but nobody really
[00:22:57] noticed, no, nobody really said, wow, the United States just got
[00:23:01] its butt kicked, right, this time, that's
[00:23:05] what all the world is kind of saying, I think, maybe I'm looking at it
[00:23:09] from too far, you agree, well, actually,
[00:23:12] it is,
[00:23:13] it is very surprising that Iran has shown such capacity, such
[00:23:17] resilience, after it has... been under sanctions for god
[00:23:21] knows how many decades, yeah, nevertheless, despite
[00:23:24] this, despite this, they have been able to develop
[00:23:28] military capabilities which are absolutely astonishing, yeah, the
[00:23:32] have the kind of military capabilities that most countries in the global south
[00:23:35] simply don't have, how have they done it, and then their
[00:23:39] capacity to bear punishment, after all they have, they have been subject
[00:23:43] to, god knows how many thousands their targets have
[00:23:47] been been attack, the infrastructure has attack
[00:23:50] also, but nevertheless they are committed to a
[00:23:53] certain, they have committed to their country and they are willing to bear
[00:23:57] this punishment. now the biggest, biggest, biggest tool
[00:24:01] that they have in their hand, which united states did not cater for, and
[00:24:05] trump to my mind quite surprisingly admitted that Iran will
[00:24:09] close the state of hormos, which would mean that this will affect
[00:24:13] the flow of oil through this region and then will affect global oil
[00:24:16] prices, yes, secondly that he'l actually
[00:24:20] back the gulf countries, now in so
[00:24:23] both both
[00:24:25] the state of hormones and
[00:24:26] the gulf countries have become hostage, because if he start
[00:24:29] destroying the energy infrastructure of Saudi Arabia or of
[00:24:33] UAE or the water desalination plants or whatever else, and they have shown the
[00:24:36] capacity to do so because they have actually attacked successfully the US
[00:24:40] bases in the region which were defended, now all these other civiliant
[00:24:44] plants, energy or water salination, they are not defended,
[00:24:48] they not so they can be... targeted, now if that
[00:24:51] happens, these societies in the Gulf will collapse and it will be
[00:24:55] dramatic consequence for this reason and for the global
[00:24:58] economy, so I just don't know who the advisors of Mr. Trump are, whether he
[00:25:02] listens to anybody advice, what his world view is, what is his sense
[00:25:06] of geopolitics, I mean he thought that
[00:25:09] you know he can do a Venezuelan like operation in Iran and and get
[00:25:13] away with it, and now he has to live with the consequences and those
[00:25:16] consequences may be in some senses has become
[00:25:20] stronger, but this doesn't necessarily mean that tomorrow there is going to
[00:25:24] be sort of better geopolitical
[00:25:27] situation in this region, it won't be the case. you know what
[00:25:31] it is about India in particular from diplomatic
[00:25:35] standpoint, and I'm talking to the right guy to be asking this question, because
[00:25:38] you are,
[00:25:39] you know, supreme among the many diplomats that have come out of India
[00:25:43] over the hundreds of years, but India
[00:26:00] I've seen India do that regarding... China, regarding the United States, regarding
[00:26:04] Europe, and most notably now, regarding uh Russia when it comes
[00:26:08] to oil, for example, where used, you're now getting like a third
[00:26:12] of your crew from Russia where you weren't in the past, and it's
[00:26:16] because Russian oil is out of premium and it's less expensive, makes sense, right?
[00:26:20] It's a business decision. So what I'm wondering is is I hear you talk
[00:26:24] about the rise of Iran, what will happen
[00:26:28] or what might happen in this relationship in the
[00:26:31] future between? Iran and India, if indeed
[00:26:35] Iran comes out the victor in all of this? well, from our point
[00:26:39] of view, we have to have, we
[00:26:43] have to
[00:26:44] you know very delicately balance our ties in
[00:26:48] this region, because our ties with the gulf countries, especially with the
[00:26:52] UAE are extremely important, we have about 3.7
[00:26:55] million expatriates in the UAE and about 9 to 10 million
[00:26:59] all together in in this region, but Iran is very... important a
[00:27:03] very a very different way, mind you, at
[00:27:07] one time Iran was the second biggest supplier of oil to India
[00:27:10] until United States forced us with the threat of sanctions to
[00:27:14] stop buying oil from Iran and since we could get
[00:27:18] oil from Iraq and Saudi Arabia and UAE and there other
[00:27:21] sources so we sort of we sort of decided
[00:27:25] all right, we have no choice, we will do it, but we will not
[00:27:29] be left high and dry because we have alternative. sources of
[00:27:33] supply, but tomorrow, if there is an agreement in this
[00:27:36] region, Iran is right close to us, it is natural that we
[00:27:40] should have an energy ties with Iran and they can be
[00:27:44] revived, and because of that, there will be such a,
[00:27:48] there will be much more fall out in terms of economic ties, and then of course there
[00:27:51] is a chabar port which links us to Afghanistan and Central Asia, the
[00:27:55] international north south trade corridor which links India to Russia,
[00:27:59] these are projects which have not gone off the ground because of us. sanctions
[00:28:03] and Iran's very trouble relationship with with the United
[00:28:07] States, but if tomorrow there is stability, these projects can also
[00:28:11] take off and it can benefit, it can benefit central Asia and
[00:28:14] benefit Russia, benefit India, and then finally we need to have a
[00:28:18] balance between the Shias and Sunnis, frankly, the gulf countries are
[00:28:22] sunnis largely, Iran is Shia, we need to balance
[00:28:26] our relationship with with these two
[00:28:29] you know sectarian bits of... the Islamic
[00:28:33] world so that we are not seen as being close to
[00:28:36] one or close to the other. now you mentioned that India has been
[00:28:40] opportunistic, I would say not opportunistic, this is part of our
[00:28:43] philosophy right from the time that we decided to be aligned
[00:28:47] during the during the cold war, that
[00:28:50] it didn't serve our interest to be on one side against
[00:28:52] the other, what for? if the other side doesn't do any harm to us, why should we be against the
[00:28:56] other side? yeah, right? is the same logic today? if we can have good
[00:29:00] relations with everybody, we would like to have that. "there's only one
[00:29:04] sticking area where India has been getting a little bit of a
[00:29:08] blast of late from uh people around the world, of course these are all johnny come
[00:29:12] latelies because people who never criticized Israel or all of sudden
[00:29:16] all over Israel, you know it only took them a while to get there, but there there seems
[00:29:20] to be a sense that India might be a little too cozy with Israel, how
[00:29:24] would you respond to that? well, we
[00:29:27] have been cozy with Israel, no doubt after
[00:29:31] the Madrid peace." we establish diplomatic
[00:29:34] ties with Israel, and after that the Arab countries have never
[00:29:38] objected. in fact, our relationship with
[00:29:41] Egypt, with the Gulf countries, including Saudi Arabia, what have you,
[00:29:45] has blossomed all these years when they knew very well what
[00:29:49] our ties with Israel were, even with
[00:29:52] Iran, we have maintained a certain level of ties, the
[00:29:56] Iranian presidents have visited India, our prime minister has visited
[00:30:00] Iran, our foreign minister has visited... Iran several times and they
[00:30:03] know that we are very close close relation with Israel, so they have
[00:30:07] understood that if we have close relations with Israel, the target
[00:30:11] are not the Palestinians, we were the first arab state to
[00:30:15] recognize Palestinian as a state and they opened their embassy in New
[00:30:19] Delhi and we continue to support their cause, but there are other
[00:30:22] reasons why we need close ties with Israel, because they
[00:30:26] have supplied us certain very critical technologies in the area of counter
[00:30:30] terrorism and since we have suffered from terrorism all these
[00:30:33] years, this is very, very helpful, plus there are
[00:30:37] certain areas, some advanced missile technologies
[00:30:40] where they have collaborated with us and established very
[00:30:44] close ties with people working on these systems in
[00:30:48] India, so it's a very, it's a very mutually
[00:30:51] beneficial relationship, but from our point of
[00:30:54] view it does not come a cost of our relationship either with the
[00:30:58] Arab world or or...