RT — America Now 20260808 000000 UTC 434 transcript segments Google Speech-to-Text API Automatic Transcription (Chirp) Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:00:00] destroying the Soviet Union, why did the peace so many had [00:00:03] longed for give way [00:00:04] to new protracted [00:00:08] of war? when exactly did the post war world take faitful [00:00:14] in turn? [00:00:22] good evening, it's 8 [00:00:23] of p.m. on the east coast, I'm Olivia Flynn and here are the stories we're following [00:00:26] tonight. first breaking tonight the US senate just passed. a [00:00:30] sweeping new sanctions bill targeting Russia will break it all [00:00:33] down. Plus, they're not just catching [00:00:37] criminals, they're [00:00:37] of tracking your every movement. Tonight, why some Americans say flock cameras have [00:00:41] gone too far? And finally, [00:00:45] Beijing unleashes a new wave of trade retaliation against the United [00:00:49] States. Is this the start of much bigger economic war? We'll find [00:00:53] out. On this show, we know that you don't need more content, you need [00:00:56] context. Anyone can tell you what's happening in the news. Tonight we hope to... help you understand [00:01:00] why it's happening, how it's happening, and how [00:01:03] of it affects you. This is America [00:01:04] now. [00:01:15] We start this evening with breaking news out of Washington DC. The US senate has [00:01:19] passed yet another round of sanctions on Russia [00:01:22] in a vote of 86 to 11. The legislation was the pet project of [00:01:26] recently deceased senator and known warhawk linsy Graham of South Carolina. [00:01:30] and the legislation would punish countries which buy Russian fossil fuels [00:01:34] in an effort to deprive Russia of [00:01:36] of revenues. President Trump would now be able to impose tariffs on countries like [00:01:40] India or China if they continue to import Russian gas or [00:01:43] oil, and the bill must now pass the House of Representatives, which will [00:01:47] reconvene after [00:01:48] a recess at the end of August. [00:01:52] Joining us now to discuss all this, we have former Pentagon [00:01:55] of official Michael Maluv. Michael, thank you for being back with us tonight. [00:01:59] Sure. so will these sanctions [00:02:02] in your estimation pass the house and become [00:02:05] effective before the end [00:02:07] of the year? the indication is it's going to [00:02:11] pass the house and the president said he's going to sign it, and that just [00:02:15] gives him the authority, whether he actually implements it or not, it's going [00:02:19] to be something else, but but i think it will [00:02:22] have tendency to really really backfire, this was meant to be more [00:02:26] of a proforma type of. memorial if you [00:02:30] will to gram, but I think in reality [00:02:34] the the use [00:02:36] of the of this legislation if if he signs it will could [00:02:40] be could really backfire on the [00:02:42] of United States in many ways and do you think these [00:02:46] sanctions will [00:02:47] of alter the course [00:02:48] of the war if it continues? oh not at [00:02:51] all, Vladimir Putin [00:02:55] is well on his way [00:02:57] to taking a... not taking out key, [00:03:01] he's he's uh, he's definitely picked up uh the [00:03:04] tempo uh considerably in in uh and [00:03:08] of hitting military sites and um and he becomes [00:03:12] even more enraged every time keive [00:03:15] decides to hit the civilian uh [00:03:19] of locations such as they just did in uh in Yalta [00:03:22] a uh uh in [00:03:24] in a beach resort totally [00:03:28] civilian no absolutely [00:03:30] no um uh [00:03:33] of military [00:03:34] uh uh objective there whatsoever and I think that Keive [00:03:38] is is resorting to uh going out to Survains now as a [00:03:42] policy because they know they've lost the [00:03:44] of war and do [00:03:46] of you a think [00:03:46] this is the Congress's way of putting pressure on Donald Trump to [00:03:50] continue supplying weapons to Ukraine as opposed to [00:03:53] seeking path to peace? there's [00:03:57] some element of that sure but uh it all it also [00:04:01] is to is, it's also meant to sanction Iran too, [00:04:05] and uh, again, these countries have become so [00:04:09] uh sanctioned that there's nothing to [00:04:11] sanction, the legislation also sanctions [00:04:15] Vladimir Putin himself and is and and [00:04:17] the and the upper Estalon, but they've also also all been sanctioned, [00:04:21] so again the effectiveness of what is being [00:04:24] passed [00:04:25] of is more proforma, I think [00:04:27] of than substantive, and uh... "and if if [00:04:31] he wants to put [00:04:33] a up of to 100% tariffs on [00:04:37] countries [00:04:38] a such as India and China as you point out, [00:04:40] you know China and all the other countries can reciprocate very very [00:04:43] of easily, we we have a multiolar world here now, we don't have a [00:04:47] of unipolar world and we're not in full control of things any [00:04:51] longer, and these countries have have become sanction [00:04:54] proof for the most part because of all the years of [00:04:58] weaponization [00:04:59] of the dollar and..." and the sanctions that we've that have been imposed on them, and [00:05:03] that's why you see the rise of bricks, you're seeing the [00:05:06] SCO, the uh Shanghai Cooperation Organization, now [00:05:10] becoming much, much larger. and more um [00:05:14] influential throughout the world, and when you consider their [00:05:18] collective GDP, it's greater than uh the [00:05:20] G20, which is [00:05:23] astounding, and they and they represent more than half the [00:05:26] world population, so we in effect are isolating [00:05:30] ourselves by by our actions and and these countries [00:05:34] are going to go, steam ahead, they don't care, they [00:05:38] can, we can launch all kinds of sanctions, but uh, they [00:05:42] can do... the same thing and and deprive us of some [00:05:46] very very critical uh mineral rights, for example, rare [00:05:49] earths and and and politically it [00:05:53] could be very very detrimental if you want to get anything done. well, [00:05:57] michael move, that's all the time we have tonight, but thank you for kicking off for 8 p.m. we'll talk to you [00:06:01] soon, thank you. my pleasure, thank [00:06:04] you. there are cameras watching you [00:06:08] drive all across America, you probably don't notice them, you probably never agreed to [00:06:12] them. and you don't have to be suspected of a crime for them to photograph your [00:06:16] car. they're called flock cameras, automatic license plate readers used by [00:06:20] police departments and communities across the country, and right now [00:06:24] they are at the center of a growing fight over just how much surveillance Americans [00:06:27] are willing to accept in the name of public safety, because these [00:06:31] cameras don't just look for a stolen car, they can create searchable [00:06:35] record of where cars have been and when, and some recent [00:06:39] cases are raising much bigger question: what happens when tech? technology [00:06:43] designed to find criminals starts being used to track people who aren't criminals at [00:06:46] all. flock safety sells automated license flate recognition [00:06:50] cameras that capture information about vehicles traveling past them. the [00:06:54] company says its technology helps law enforcement solve crimes, recover [00:06:58] stolen vehicles and find missing or endangered people. but unlike a [00:07:01] traditional police investigation where officers might begin with suspect [00:07:05] and then track that person's movements. flot cameras can collect information about [00:07:09] vehicles passing them first, creating a database. that can [00:07:13] potentially be searched later, and then that distinction is huling [00:07:17] controversy, because critics say we're moving from we have suspect, [00:07:20] let's find the car, to we have millions of cars, let's search the [00:07:24] database, it's almost like you're creating a suspect, and look at what's [00:07:27] happening right now, this week 404 media reported a Wisconsin [00:07:31] case involving a man who traveled across state lines to Michigan where [00:07:35] recreational marijuana is legal. According to the report, police used flock [00:07:39] data showing his vehicle had repeatedly traveled to... while [00:07:43] developing the justification to stop and search his [00:07:46] car. think about that, it's almost like they're building case about the president [00:07:50] critics are worried about here. you legally drive from one state into [00:07:53] another, your license plate gets photographed along the way, you legally [00:07:57] visit somewhere, you drive home, and now that travel history can [00:08:01] potentially become information law enforcement uses to investigate you, and [00:08:05] Wisconsin isn't the only case drawing attention. civil liberties [00:08:08] advocates have also raised alarms over a Texas investigation. [00:08:13] in which flock data was reportedly used to identify and track [00:08:16] vehicle connected to woman suspected of obtaining a [00:08:19] self-administered abortion and that case became especially [00:08:23] controversial because abortion laws can change dramatically the moment you cross a [00:08:27] state line, so can marijuana laws, gun laws and potentially a whole list [00:08:31] of other activities, and that creates a problem that didn't really [00:08:35] exist on this scale before, something can be completely legal where you [00:08:38] go while technology creates a permanent trail that follows you home, um [00:08:42] and then there's another part of this story that really got attention, listen to how [00:08:46] flock CEO, Garret Langley has talked about surveillance and human [00:08:50] behavior. If we look at our kids [00:08:54] as a proxy, like the level of punishment other and time out for five [00:08:58] minutes or an hour does it matter to five-year-old, they they they do something buse [00:09:02] they think they going [00:09:02] to get away with it, and as soon as they find out that as a parent you you know have all [00:09:06] seeing eyes, they stop doing bad things [00:09:09] and the the punishment has nothing to do with it and... [00:09:13] "maybe it's unfair [00:09:14] to to call adult a five-year-old, but that's generally how our brain works, we operate a booleian [00:09:17] equation of like, I get away with this, so I do it, if I don't think I get away with it, I [00:09:21] don't do it. Okay, now that is where this becomes [00:09:25] bigger than license plates, because there's an enormous difference between using [00:09:28] surveillance to catch someone who committed a crime, and using surveillance [00:09:32] because the knowledge that you're being watched might change how you [00:09:36] behave. One is investigation, and the other starts getting into [00:09:39] deterents, and critics would argue so..." control, and the [00:09:43] backlash is growing. According to Washington examiners, since the beginning of [00:09:47] 2026, roughly 23 city councils have voted to [00:09:51] cancel, reject, deactivate or not renew flock license [00:09:54] plate reader programs. Residents and privacy advocates have raised concerns [00:09:58] about mass surveillance, fourth amendment protections and information being [00:10:02] shared between law enforcement and agencies and another investigation [00:10:06] from 404 media added fuel to the fire. The outlet reported [00:10:10] obtaining police guidance, instructing. officers, according to the [00:10:14] report, officers were advised in certain circumstances not to [00:10:18] tell drivers that automatic license plate reader information contributed to the [00:10:21] stop, and to avoid explicitly mentioning, the technology [00:10:25] on reports in less necessary, so now the [00:10:29] controversy isn't only who's being tracked, it's also do people [00:10:33] even know how they're being tracked, be because when [00:10:36] i went down another rabbit hole, while everyone is [00:10:40] talking about the cameras themselves, take a look at who's investing in this [00:10:44] industry. one of flock's biggest investors is venture capital firm [00:10:47] Anderson Howitz, better known as A16Z. The firm led [00:10:51] a major funding round for Flock, but Flock isn't the only surveillance. [00:10:55] related technology company Anderson Horitz has backed. They've also [00:10:59] invested in a company called Toka and this technology is very [00:11:03] different. Toca is an Israeli cyber intelligence company and [00:11:06] according to reporting about the company's technology, Toca has developed [00:11:10] tools designed to infiltrate internet-connected devices, including [00:11:14] security cameras. Reported capabilities have included locating [00:11:18] vulnerable cameras, accessing their feeds and manipulating [00:11:21] video, and that can reportedly include altering live feeds. and [00:11:25] modifying or deleting previous recorded footage. some reporting has [00:11:29] also described tools designed to operate without leaving the kinds of [00:11:33] obvious digital traces normally associated with unauthorized [00:11:36] access. so in other words, in basic English, Flock is [00:11:40] building technology capable of helping authorities find and track [00:11:44] vehicles. Toca has reportedly developed technology capable of [00:11:48] accessing and manipulating cameras and the same major venture [00:11:52] capital firm has invested in both companies. now to be very clear here, [00:11:56] because this distinction matters. there's no evidence that Toca is hacking flock [00:11:59] cameras. there's no evidence that flock footage is being secretly altered by [00:12:03] Toca, and sharing investor does not mean these two companies are working [00:12:07] together, but the connection is worth understanding because it shows you where [00:12:11] surveillance technology itself is going. we're moving into a [00:12:15] world where one set of technology can potentially [00:12:19] reconstruct where you've traveled, another can identify vehicles [00:12:22] automatically, another can access cameras. remotely and another can [00:12:26] manipulate what those cameras see. individually, if we look at it [00:12:30] that way, each tool may have legitimate law enforcement or national [00:12:33] security purpose, but connect enough of those capabilities [00:12:37] together, and suddenly the question isn't whether technology can track nearly everything we [00:12:41] do. it's who gets access to that power and what rules [00:12:45] stop them from abusing it. and that's ultimately why this [00:12:48] fight over flock matters. nobody's arguing that police shouldn't be able [00:12:52] to find a kidnapped child or locating. stolen vehicle or identify [00:12:56] dangerous suspect, it probably be amazing to help those scenarios. Those are [00:13:00] exactly the kinds of cases that make this technology incredibly [00:13:03] powerful. The debate is about what happens after the cameras are already [00:13:07] everywhere. Who can search the database, what qualifies as legitimate [00:13:11] search? How long is that information stored? Can another police [00:13:15] department access it? There's all these questions, and can your movements [00:13:19] be searched even when you were never suspected of committing [00:13:22] a crime? And perhaps the most important one, [00:13:25] Do you even know what's happening? Because America has had surveillance cameras for [00:13:29] decades. What's changing now isn't necessarily the camera, it's the database [00:13:32] behind it. A camera a street corner sees one moment. A network of cameras [00:13:36] connected to searchable software can potentially tell story [00:13:40] about where you went, when you went there, and when you went [00:13:44] next. And once that infrastructure exits, we're not just [00:13:47] deciding how it should be used. We're deciding how much power we're [00:13:51] comfortable giving whoever has access to it tomorrow because. because the real [00:13:55] privacy question may no longer be, are you doing anything wrong? it may [00:13:59] be, should the government be able to know everywhere you've been, and [00:14:03] when you haven't. joining us now, we have [00:14:06] Conor Boyac joining us on the show. he is the president the libertas [00:14:10] Institute. Connor, thank you so much for joining us tonight. thanks for having [00:14:14] me. so let's talk about flock. for people who have never heard of [00:14:18] flock cameras, what exactly are they? what are they collecting, [00:14:21] and how is that different from a traditional license plate read? [00:14:26] Yeah, so license plate readers have been around for years, observing [00:14:30] the, as they're called, the license plates of a cars as they pass by, they're [00:14:34] used for traffic control, finding cars that have been stolen and so [00:14:37] forth. What flock cameras are are a sort of new [00:14:41] evolution beyond those that uh can capture not only the license [00:14:45] plate, but also what bumper stickers are there, are there [00:14:49] decals, what is the make and model the car, what color is it, and they're [00:14:52] attempting to create more of fingerprint. of a car beyond just [00:14:56] the license plate, because license plates can be switched out or moved or blurred, and [00:15:00] so this is giving law enforcement new capabilities to track people as [00:15:04] they're moving throughout town compared to the traditional models [00:15:08] the past. more worrisome, they're creating massive [00:15:11] databases the movements of American people where law [00:15:14] enforcement officers without a warrant can go effectively a fishing expedition [00:15:18] to find out any time where has connor ben or where has Olivia been and [00:15:22] tracking our movements and our cars that... new power that the government has is [00:15:26] what's worrying so many people lately and right off that point I want to talk [00:15:30] about like where the line is crossed here because supporters say these cameras [00:15:34] help police find stolen cars wanted suspects and missing. people, [00:15:38] but at what point does a public safety tool like this one cross the line [00:15:41] into mass surveillance? well, there's no question that [00:15:45] empowering the law enforcement with surveillance capabilities can help them solve [00:15:49] crimes, like we can concede that argument at the outset, living a total surveillance [00:15:53] state, yes we would solve more crimes, but obviously there's a [00:15:57] trade-off to be had, and the question is to what extent is surveillance [00:16:00] appropriate. now, in our estimation, the the conversation [00:16:04] has been had, we've already found that balance, and it's the fourth. the founders [00:16:08] who drafted that were very concerned with what the british were doing, with what were [00:16:12] called ritts of assistance or general warrants where they could empower [00:16:16] themselves to go search through your home any time, for no [00:16:19] reason, without any oversight, and so when they enacted the fourth amendment they said, [00:16:23] look, we want there to be particularity, in other words, we need to [00:16:27] individually suspect Olivia of a crime if we're going to invade Olivia's [00:16:31] privacy or monitor her whereabouts, rather than a general suspicion of maybe [00:16:35] there's crime somewhere out there, we need to individually suspect [00:16:39] uh criminal conduct on the part the person whose privacy we are going [00:16:43] to invade, we need to have probable cause, in other words, we need to [00:16:46] suspect that there and have reason to believe there is a crime being [00:16:49] conducted, and most importantly we need to have judicial uh [00:16:53] review, we need to have a warrant that a dispassionate judge can [00:16:57] review and say is this appropriate, but that's not what's happening with flock, it's a [00:17:01] huge database, cops are searching through it without any warrant, without any judicial [00:17:05] review and without any particularity, of suspecting anyone of actually [00:17:09] committing a crime? well, let's not suspect Olivia of a crime, but on the topic of [00:17:12] allegations though, one the most controversial allegations is that officers [00:17:16] are being instructed not to mention flock or ALPR use [00:17:20] to drivers, and sometimes not even in police reports unless it's necessary, they [00:17:24] say, so why is that such serious transparency [00:17:28] issue? well, that's an issue because criminal defense [00:17:31] attorneys who on behalf their clients want to help challenge these cases may not [00:17:35] know where Trump on Chinese company. The new sanctions target [00:17:39] multiple American enterprises, restrict robot imports and curb [00:17:43] exports of drones and their components. Our corresponding Constantine [00:17:46] Rojov has more. The Trade Intech [00:17:50] war between China and the United States has heated up [00:17:54] sharply over the past few days. China has now unveiled one [00:17:58] of its largest packages of retaliatory measures yet. [00:18:02] The move drawing the most attention is Beijing's decision to [00:18:06] tighten controls on exports of drone-related components [00:18:10] and technology to the United States. Here's what the official [00:18:14] statement from China's Ministry of Commerce says drone exports [00:18:18] to the United States and the export their key components and related [00:18:21] technologies listed in the export control list of dual use items the [00:18:25] people's republic of China shall be subject to strict case by case [00:18:29] review. expedited licensing procedures and other licensing [00:18:32] facilitation measures shall not apply. anyone who has ever [00:18:36] flown or even the DJI drone knows just [00:18:39] how dominant China is in the global commercial drone market, [00:18:43] though this isn't an out-ride export ban, it does [00:18:47] mean that the Chinese government will now closely [00:18:50] scrutinize every drone related shipment [00:18:54] bound for the United States. As part the same package, [00:18:58] Beijing has also barred Chinese companies from doing [00:19:01] business with seven US firms and launched [00:19:05] investigation into U.S. security company, [00:19:09] Poloalto networks and the products it sells in [00:19:12] China. All of that sends a clear political [00:19:16] message. If you hit us, we're going to head back. And just [00:19:20] few days ago, the United States announced a new round their [00:19:24] own trade restrictions on China. Most notably, it [00:19:27] banned imports of newly manufactured foreign [00:19:31] made humanoid robots and quadroped robots, [00:19:35] better known as robot dogs. market dominated [00:19:39] by Chinese manufacturers, the US also dramatically [00:19:43] expanded its sanctions list adding 43 Chinese [00:19:46] companies over allegations of weager force labor [00:19:50] and impose new tariffs of 10 to [00:19:53] 12.5% on imports from 60 [00:19:57] trading partners including China of course, but the [00:20:01] tech and trade fight is only one [00:20:04] part the broader tensions that have been... simmering [00:20:08] between Beijing and Washington over the past few [00:20:11] weeks, law makers in the US congress are now [00:20:14] anticipating record 40 billion military aid [00:20:18] package for Taiwan. Here's what senior Republican [00:20:22] Congressman Michael McColl said during his [00:20:25] recent visit to Taipei, a trip that was [00:20:29] itself bound to irritate Beijing. Last [00:20:32] December, Congress signed off on the largest foreign military sales [00:20:36] package in history. at 11 billion US dollars, and [00:20:39] we aren't stopping there. I am confident the president will forward soon [00:20:43] another package to Congress with additional $14 billion in [00:20:47] critical military defense articles. Taiwan also has launched [00:20:51] major weeklong military exercises rehearsing a [00:20:55] possible conflict with Beijing. One the scenarios [00:20:59] involves evacuating the island's leadership in the event of [00:21:02] what military planners sometimes call [00:21:05] decapitation strike designed to knock out [00:21:09] Taiwan's political command. And what a difference few [00:21:13] months can make really? I remember covering Donald Trump's visit to [00:21:16] Beijing when he and Shijing Ping shook hand. fans uh [00:21:20] smiled for the cameras and gave the impression that both sides [00:21:24] were trying to cool tensions and work through their [00:21:28] differences, not create new ones. the two leaders are expected [00:21:32] to meet again at the end of September, but if tensions [00:21:36] keep rising at this pace, both Donald Trump and Xi [00:21:40] Jin Ping will have lot of fires to put out when [00:21:43] they finally sit down face to [00:21:46] face. that's America now, I'm Olivia Flynn. For more [00:21:50] stories, visit our website at RT.com and join us every night at [00:21:53] 7-8-9 and 10. Thank you for watching and have a good night and [00:21:57] remember question [00:21:58] everything. [00:23:33] Starting the US Israel war in Iran was easy, ending this war [00:23:37] seems almost impossible. America's overwhelming military [00:23:41] power has proven to be indecisive as Iran holds [00:23:44] significant high cards. Eventually the global economy will [00:23:48] force Trump's hand. [00:23:57] Towards the end the 18th century, wave of decolonizations caused the [00:24:01] colonizers to focus their attention on Africa, a period marked by the brutal [00:24:05] legacy of European imperialism and the systematic [00:24:08] exploitation of African peoples and resources. Many of our [00:24:12] nations remain caught in the grip of [00:24:16] new-colonial systems. Africans must be the law. [00:24:20] their own land, the masters their own [00:24:23] resources. [00:24:24] It is time to leave Africa and other developing countries alone. [00:24:28] The west needs to stop with the foreign interference. They [00:24:32] know that divided Africa is a weak [00:24:36] Africa. Let us challenge the poisonous tongs that [00:24:39] seek to divide us and build bridges of [00:24:43] understanding instead. Today [00:24:45] that opportunity lies in cooperation with nations across the global [00:24:49] south. and with allies like [00:24:51] Russia, [00:25:11] after the end of World War II, Great Britain decided to make up [00:25:15] for its losses with the merciless exploitation of its [00:25:18] colonies, the... wondering the occupied territories hit [00:25:22] Malaya, devastated as result of decades long fighting, [00:25:26] extremely hard. tension grew, and in [00:25:29] 1948 the colonial administration was forced to [00:25:33] declare a state of emergency. in response, patriots [00:25:37] united into the Malaian people's liberation army and began [00:25:41] a gorilla war. london decided to suppress [00:25:44] resistance, torture and mass deportations, [00:25:48] executions of civilians and brain of chemicals, scalping and [00:25:52] cutting off heads. These were the barbaric methods the British [00:25:55] use trying to keep Malayya within their empire. The [00:25:59] massacre in the village of Batong Kali committed. by the Scots [00:26:03] guards against the unarmed peazants caused a particular [00:26:06] stir. the entire male population became [00:26:09] victims. trying to suppress the gorilla movement, the [00:26:13] occupiers relocated 500 thousand people to concentration [00:26:17] camps. the ferocious cruelty bore its fruit. the [00:26:20] patriots were scattered. however, the British [00:26:24] experienced the strength the Malay resistance to the full [00:26:27] extent. the British army losses in Malaia were the largest [00:26:31] since the end of world war. two: in 1957, the [00:26:35] British Empire was forced to recognize Malayan [00:26:38] independence. The resilience the Malay people put an [00:26:41] end to the history of British colonialism in Southeast [00:26:45] Asia. [00:27:03] Welcome, I'm John Kiriaku and this is the deep state. Here [00:27:07] on the deep state we go deep into stories that the mainstream media [00:27:11] doesn't want you to know. The deep state imprisoned me once upon a [00:27:15] time. Well, now we're going after the deep [00:27:18] state. I want to bring on now Tim Gordon. Tim [00:27:22] is a popular catholic youtuber and he hosts the show rules for [00:27:26] retrogrades. He's also the author of a whole bunch of [00:27:29] books. How has your legal? shaped your [00:27:33] view of well, american constitutional [00:27:37] order, american society, even our political system [00:27:40] today. yeah, i went to the place where [00:27:44] i could study the most constitutional law, i was working a [00:27:48] phd a pontifical school in Rome, my first [00:27:52] daughter was born there with many brain surgeries [00:27:56] needed, so we we came home and i put aside the phd for the time [00:27:59] and i was like, guess i'll need to do something kind of related to...