RT — Deep State 20260808 153000 UTC 451 transcript segments Google Speech-to-Text API Automatic Transcription (Chirp) Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:00:00] for an hour, but you stay with us up next, the latest episode of Deep State. Bye for [00:00:04] in [00:00:05] of now. [00:00:05] of [00:00:12] in [00:00:39] of [00:00:48] Welcome, I'm John Kiriyaku and this is the deep state. [00:00:51] Here on the deep state we go deep into stories that the mainstream media [00:00:55] doesn't want you to know. The deep state imprisoned me once upon a [00:00:59] time. Well, now we're [00:01:02] of going after the deep state. I want to bring on now Tim [00:01:05] Gordon. Tim is a [00:01:07] of popular Catholic YouTuber, and he hosts the show rules for retrogrades. He's [00:01:11] also the author of a whole bunch of books. [00:01:15] How has your legal training shaped your view of, [00:01:19] well, [00:01:20] of American constitutional order, American society, even our [00:01:24] political system today. Yeah, I went to [00:01:28] the place where I could study the... most constitutional law becuse i [00:01:31] was working a phd a pontifical school in Rome. [00:01:35] my first daughter was born there with, but many brain [00:01:39] surgeries needed, so we we came home and [00:01:42] a i put aside the [00:01:43] of PhD for the time and i [00:01:44] was like, guess i'll need to do something kind of related to making arguments, [00:01:48] of so i went to law [00:01:49] of school, of but didn't really want to just do normal law, so i went to the [00:01:53] place where i could study the constitution most cuuse do love the American constitution, [00:01:57] even though that's out of fashion now, even among right-wingers. [00:02:00] particularly catholic sort of dissident [00:02:02] in right-wingers, they they they think it's [00:02:05] of they don't think there's anything redeeming about it. i love [00:02:07] of the [00:02:08] of [00:02:08] in constitution, i love constitutional history, and the beautiful [00:02:12] thing about the US constitution that no one sings [00:02:15] anymore is that [00:02:19] it, really up until the civil war [00:02:23] in it really and truly was a partly consolidated and a partly confederated [00:02:26] document. now um this this is a [00:02:30] term that um Madison uses in federalists, I think 39 and 51, [00:02:34] where if you look at [00:02:37] of what of the articles of confederation were, which I like, that [00:02:40] was purely confederation, [00:02:43] of confederation, photus is latin term meaning treaty government, basically the kind of government [00:02:47] where it's just league of friendship that you you band together during [00:02:50] wartime, for example under the the articles of [00:02:53] confederation for those 12 or 13 years when we fought the [00:02:57] war for the first half [00:02:58] of the [00:02:59] of time, "there were really 13 separate [00:03:02] countries, and of course I like the size of those 13 separate countries [00:03:06] more than a continent-sized republic, it's it's [00:03:08] a republican name only [00:03:09] of when it's that large, and they they only had one [00:03:12] of branch of government, they only had one congress, another treaty government term, congress [00:03:16] is not [00:03:16] a republic term, it's a treaty gov term, and they met once year in the [00:03:20] summer, and the other branches were all just state [00:03:23] branches, the judiciary and the the executives were just [00:03:27] in gubernatorial, and so [00:03:28] of they really were truly..." 100% confederated, 13 [00:03:31] countries coming together to be a sort of country once [00:03:35] year or to fight wars, that's pure confederation, [00:03:39] yes, pure consolidation is what i would say [00:03:41] in we've of had of after the civil war, the 14th amendment which which [00:03:45] was ratified [00:03:47] of in 1868 made us purely [00:03:50] of consolidated, whatever [00:03:55] of you want to call it, it's basically of globalism, terany, under FDR you had like [00:03:58] of Washington DC telling blue wheat farmers, they can't, they can't [00:04:02] eat their own wheat [00:04:03] of 500 miles away, this is pure tyrany, that pure consolidation means you're [00:04:07] governed from half a world away, and it's all one [00:04:10] consolidated big kind of imperial big government, but [00:04:14] the experiment that was truly unique in America, they called it [00:04:17] imperio in imperium, was having two [00:04:21] layers of government, having a federal layer [00:04:24] of the state rule where all the sexy powers were there [00:04:27] locally, and national level, from Washington [00:04:31] DC where [00:04:31] it was just, if you look at article 1, section 8 of our Constitution, these [00:04:35] of are the scant 15 or so things that the National Congress [00:04:39] was allowed to legislate, they weren't the sexy moralistic [00:04:43] powers described [00:04:45] of in uh the 10th amendment, everything else was left to the local powers, [00:04:49] to the what's at the time was called federal powers, now we use the term an [00:04:53] of opposite way, state rule, and it was really remarkable and it really it [00:04:57] worked, you know the anti-federalists who are my favorite. the [00:05:00] founders warned, well one side is going to preponderate over the other, and [00:05:03] it will probably be the national side, which is what happened after the civil war with the [00:05:07] 14th amendment, but it was really remarkable what these [00:05:11] geniuses did, when they took us from the articles of confederation [00:05:15] to the constitution which really did have two sort of [00:05:18] empires within an empire uh [00:05:22] state legislatures within the national legislature [00:05:26] ruling people until the civil war so guess ultimately the anti-federalists [00:05:29] were right but i would say and i probably would favor something more like an [00:05:33] articles of confederation but but to do even the part confederated [00:05:37] part consolidated government the first 80 years of [00:05:41] constitutional rule would would would suit me, [00:05:45] where do you think the disconnect lies between [00:05:49] America's founding pr principles and [00:05:52] today's catholic church? is there daylight between the [00:05:55] two? there, well, there's [00:05:58] a lot, that's that's what my book's about, and that's i mean i'm coming out with a [00:06:02] documentary about the book, it people believe in their natural [00:06:06] rights, life, liberty, property, man, mean that those are that's a that's a catholic [00:06:09] idea, um, john john. was borrowing [00:06:13] from from Bellaman and Suarez, subsidiarity, what I keep [00:06:17] recurring to throughout this entire interview, the local rule, that's a that's a [00:06:21] natural law principle, virtue ethics, all of those [00:06:24] wasp founders, under Martin Luther [00:06:28] rejected the idea of virtue, yes, they um, they all kept [00:06:31] saying, doesn't matter how good a constitution you get, unless it's a [00:06:35] virtuous people, the constitution is just straw, so they believed in [00:06:39] aristotalian virtue ethics, proper church. relations did [00:06:43] you john that even after the first [00:06:47] amendment was ratified with the bill of rights in [00:06:51] 1791? did you [00:06:52] know that they presumed that all the 13 [00:06:56] states would have an established sect of christianity and nine [00:07:00] the 13 did? did not know that a [00:07:04] kin to a church of england, you're saying? no, they [00:07:08] were, they were, it was up to the state sect of legislature christianity would [00:07:11] which be the... [00:07:19] um they [00:07:20] that so reversed that this a case called Everson versus Board of Ed in 1948, they [00:07:24] it was literally um seven or eight freemasons on [00:07:28] Scotus, they just said that the first amendment meant the exact opposite [00:07:32] of what it ever meant when it says the establishment [00:07:35] clause that um shall [00:07:39] respect no establishment of religion? [00:07:43] this was actually a more often called the disestablishment [00:07:46] clause, so congress shall make no law respecting an [00:07:50] establishment of religion, what that meant is congress was not allowed to [00:07:54] disestablish any the existent state [00:07:57] establishments of, check the car facts on that [00:08:01] everybody, that that was that was what the first amendment was geared to do, and it [00:08:04] always just meant there can be no national branch of [00:08:08] christianity, it won't be catholicism, it won't be orthodoxy, it won't be one the 40 [00:08:11] thousand. [00:08:17] Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm sorry to interrupt you, so so is that [00:08:21] why we say, oh, back in the day at the at the founding the [00:08:24] republic, Maryland was catholic state, Rode Island was catholic [00:08:28] state, uh, Massachusetts was puritan state, is [00:08:32] that is that what that stems from, absolutely, [00:08:35] now interestingly enough, Maryland was [00:08:38] not uh an one the established uh [00:08:42] Maryland [00:08:46] was very catholic, but it did not have an establishment, but yes, [00:08:50] the northern states were all some form of [00:08:53] covenantalism, and the southern states were all [00:08:57] anglican, the ones that had it, it was nine out the 13, and the [00:09:00] founders when they wrote, when Madison wrote [00:09:03] this, uh, he really assumed that 12 the 13 wouldn't, I think he [00:09:07] thought Rode Island wouldn't, but he thought [00:09:10] it would be 12 the 13, but those state establish. [00:09:42] establishment clause means that the individual states are not allowed to have [00:09:46] establishments, no, it just meant there can be no national establishment, a, and [00:09:49] b, that the congress cannot disestablish the state [00:09:53] establishments, and scootus was doing just what congress was always forbidden to do, [00:09:57] to disestablish state establishments, so people have been [00:10:00] completely brainwashed to the exact opposite, the diametrical [00:10:04] opposite of what the point the first amendment [00:10:06] was, we are, we [00:10:10] seem to be living in [00:10:25] more faithfully or in closer [00:10:28] contact with the church their their roots. what do you think [00:10:32] the most important habit is for someone trying to live more [00:10:36] faithfully a confused age like [00:10:38] this? that's interesting. i would [00:10:42] say, mean if you're a [00:10:44] Christian, what what's been in the water the last [00:10:48] five years is? christians are just realizing that [00:10:52] the first millennium of christianity. involved [00:10:56] bishops in an apostolic lineage, sacr, the seven [00:11:00] sacraments, church, you know, that [00:11:03] this 90's idea, which only left [00:11:07] protestantism standing of, well, I [00:11:11] love the faith, but I don't, I hate religion, now you'd even hear a lot of [00:11:15] protestants say that, yeah, non-denominationals, it's the exact [00:11:18] opposite, people are connecting with again nature, and nature [00:11:22] calls us to worship, so actually worshipping the real [00:11:26] presence the eukarist is the first thing we're called [00:11:30] to, there's really, mean if you think the difference between the [00:11:34] actual apostles and you and [00:11:36] i, they got to walk with Jesus, now they got [00:11:40] to be around him, well so do you and in the [00:11:44] form of your eucharistic devotion or echaristic [00:11:48] consumption with the blessed host, and [00:11:52] it it definitely i'm sure phenomenologically feels a little different. than it did to [00:11:55] walk with Jesus, but people are understanding [00:11:59] now that just reading [00:12:01] the the the true stories in the new testament of [00:12:05] Jesus is not enough. okay, so that's that's, [00:12:07] I mean, I guess I kind of answered slightly different question than you ask. that's okay, that's why [00:12:11] there's this flooding of former protestants into [00:12:15] apostolic Christianity, whether orthodox or catholic. okay, and the [00:12:19] way the way that an orthodox or catholic can stay close to [00:12:23] his faith is one, to practice the sacraments, which [00:12:26] really, [00:12:27] you know, you don't, you don't go get rebaptized, you don't go get [00:12:30] reconfirmed, but the practice the sacraments means a a [00:12:34] daily pattern, a quartidian pattern [00:12:37] of confession, communion, confession, communion, [00:12:41] mean a weekly pattern at least, right, you need to go to confession to [00:12:45] receive communion, you need to be receiving communion, that keeps you a state of grace and it's [00:12:49] just easier to be good, yeah, and any any [00:12:52] practicing christian will tell you it makes it easier to be [00:12:56] good, [00:12:56] and then of course, to follow the commands, faith without works is [00:13:00] dead, but I would say the practice the sacraments is what [00:13:03] keeps apostolic Christians faithful, [00:13:07] and it's what's attracting non-apostolic Christians into our [00:13:11] ranks. Yeah, I think that's probably [00:13:15] true. There is debate taking place [00:13:19] mostly in the state of Michigan today, to to slightly lesser [00:13:23] extent in the state of New Jersey. among Muslims, American [00:13:27] Muslims, American citizens, and the debate is over whether or [00:13:30] not Muslims, or whether or not Islam allows [00:13:34] Muslims to participate in the political process, of course it [00:13:37] does, but this is something [00:13:39] that is being genuinely debated, how do you think Catholics should [00:13:43] be engaging in politics without becoming consumed by [00:13:47] partisanship? Is it possible for Catholics to be [00:13:51] on both sides a system that is... is [00:13:55] really a [00:13:55] duopoly? well, [00:13:59] it is. mean, not, not in the sense that it would the direct sense that it would [00:14:03] be in the days the holy roman empire, but in a real [00:14:07] sense, i'll give you answer that's consistent with the [00:14:11] themes and even the the diction of earlier parts of [00:14:15] this interview. so what more [00:14:19] evils the 14th amendment, right? 1868, 14th [00:14:23] amendment, is whereas [00:14:27] or um, hopefully none these words get your your channel a strike or [00:14:31] anything like that, but um, contraception, yep, [00:14:35] abortion, uh, prawn, as they call it on the [00:14:38] internet, sodomy, gay marriage, take these five things [00:14:42] right, that that that no christian should be [00:14:45] supporting, directly or indirectly, [00:14:49] yeah, those were in red [00:14:51] states legislatively outlawed, as anyone could [00:14:55] imagine, they were not allowed in 30 to [00:14:59] 35 the states depending on the issue, literally, i i'm going [00:15:03] through it now, contraception, abortion, [00:15:06] pornography, sodomy, gay marriage, so at [00:15:10] the level the so-called culture war, um, what the left did is [00:15:13] they used the 14th amendment which really supplanted the constitution, which [00:15:17] allowed states to decide for themselves, you know, to [00:15:21] regulate health, welfare, safety, moral, security, [00:15:25] those states de decided for themselves, well what the 14th [00:15:28] amendment did through the jurisprudence [00:15:32] was it literally made it illegal to [00:15:36] illegalize? those things across all 50 states, [00:15:39] i don't if you knew that, i once debated josh hammer and he said, oh, [00:15:43] i'm like you, [00:15:43] i don't like that, i said, no, you believe in um, something like Adrien [00:15:47] Vermel's constitutionalism, you have to own these things even if you don't like them, [00:15:51] literally, the case, grisweld versus [00:15:54] connecticut in 1965 banned the [00:15:58] banning of contraception in all 50 states, so the [00:16:02] 30 to 35 states where it was illegal to have [00:16:06] contraception, they banned the... banning and grisweld under 14th amendment [00:16:09] jurisprudence in 1969 stanley versus [00:16:12] Georgia they banned the banning through this case [00:16:16] supreme court case of pornography in those red [00:16:20] states where [00:16:20] it was illegal they made it illegal to illegalize it 1973 of course ro [00:16:24] did did the same ban the banning of abortion uh [00:16:28] what is it 2002 or something was lawrence versus [00:16:32] Texas they banned the banning of Sodomy in the red states [00:16:35] and in Ber think was 2015, they [00:16:39] banned the banning of gay marriage in those states, so this is what I keep [00:16:43] talking about. A Catholic has to just look at that that [00:16:47] beautiful encyclical that we have by Pope Pius the 11th in [00:16:50] 1931, very famous because it enshrines the [00:16:54] foremost catholic political principle, [00:16:58] which is called um subsidiarity, which means it was beautiful, [00:17:01] it was really well enshrined in the American Constitution prior to the 14th [00:17:05] amendment. It enabled... red states, which is where you or [00:17:09] i should try to live to bring our families, our wives and children, to [00:17:13] decide for themselves. there wasn't one national policy on these [00:17:16] five obvious Christian evils? well, the Supreme Court, [00:17:20] being masonic, um, one by one in court cases [00:17:24] und did that, they banned the banning these things, so I think it's it's not [00:17:28] larpy at all to understand the way the constitution actually works, it's not [00:17:32] larpy at all for catholic or an orthodox or a protestant to [00:17:35] say, this is bad, it should... more than legal, it should be [00:17:39] great, especially a red state for all the, [00:17:43] majority 60 plus% the people to say, we don't want [00:17:47] contraception, abortion, sodomy, [00:17:51] gay marriage, etc. um, and and that's [00:17:54] that's the kind of stuff that that people need to not only know their faith for, but they [00:17:58] need to know the constitution and the workings of federalism in [00:18:02] order to accomplish. yeah, you are quite a [00:18:06] prolific writer, What books are you working on right [00:18:09] now? Right now I am working [00:18:12] on, I've also become a filmmaker and I'm I'm working on [00:18:16] doing for my first book Catholic Republic which I've been talking about quite a bit [00:18:20] today into a documentary, have some uh big backers on [00:18:24] that, I won't I won't say who yet, but it's a similar project [00:18:28] to what I did with regard to my book, the case for patriarchy, I i turned [00:18:32] that one into the um now Candace Owens film called What woman is, you [00:18:36] can go see it on Candas owens. com is basically that [00:18:40] book turned into an hour and a half documentary, i'm i'm working [00:18:43] on doing the same with uh my book catholic republic explaining lot the [00:18:47] things we've talked about here today um [00:18:49] i wrote five books in five years uh so i got kind [00:18:53] of burnt out and uh you know so now i'm [00:18:57] i'm taking a different thing and i i have a podcast that [00:19:01] i go three times a week on youtube [00:19:03] you know rules for retrogrades timothy gordon so it keeps me pretty busy with [00:19:07] my [00:19:07] kids and my wife, what do you hope [00:19:11] readers or listeners are able to take away after [00:19:15] hearing you speak? when you when you go out there, especially [00:19:19] at universities, what is the message that you hope [00:19:22] lands the best with [00:19:24] people? [00:19:27] just act natural. you, I'm from Bakersfield, California, Buck [00:19:31] Owens, once saying Act natural, that you know the philosophy, having the [00:19:35] proper philosophy of nature enables us to... [00:19:39] like we've kept recurring to traditional where where it's [00:19:42] natural and to pray for tradition when it's out of our hands [00:19:45] to you the old alcoholics anonymous prayer [00:19:49] to to change what we can to as as hope [00:19:53] people become retrogrades dissident [00:19:56] right-wingers to turn back the clock where we [00:19:59] can and give it give it to Jesus [00:20:03] where it's truly out of our hands but lot is in our hands and to take [00:20:07] back over their families, be lot more involved in in both [00:20:11] in positive ways in their families and um [00:20:15] understand that you know the the kind [00:20:18] of dispensationalism that took over evangelical churches all across America [00:20:22] over the last century was co-attended by kind of [00:20:26] feminism and um nominalism and a view [00:20:30] of um all you know men and women are the same you know men aren't leaders [00:20:34] women can be leaders that kind of stuff that has kept men from reaching [00:20:38] out and claiming what's rightfully theirs [00:20:40] and it's messed up whole generations of people to not have strong loving [00:20:44] fathers that are very hands on and [00:20:47] and um and sweet help [00:20:51] meet mothers that are hands on a completely different [00:20:55] way, so they can really that's where they can really make a big difference, and when it [00:20:59] comes to um politics and culture, vote with [00:21:03] your feet, get to red state and pray that American [00:21:06] federalism comes back where the states really have [00:21:10] self-determination as they were intended to do, that's that's all you can do and [00:21:14] pray and and live in the sacraments. I'm glad that you brought [00:21:17] up the idea of documentary. I'm I'm [00:21:21] working with a prominent catholic filmmaker right now on on two [00:21:25] documentaries, one is on the the history [00:21:29] the Christians of Gaza, this is something [00:21:32] that I think most Americans don't know is that there has been [00:21:36] a Christian presence in Gaza for 2000 years, there aren't [00:21:40] a lot of Christians, it's between 1 and 2%, but if [00:21:44] the population of Gaza is 2 million, [00:21:47] we're talking about as many as 40,00. Christians, that's that's [00:21:51] a lot of Christians in a small [00:21:53] space, um, has it been your [00:21:57] experience, Tim, that Americans don't know [00:22:01] about the history of Christianity and [00:22:03] the and the wide array of Christian communities around the [00:22:07] world, or even more specifically the Middle East, and one the other reasons that I bring [00:22:11] this up is just this, just this past [00:22:15] week, the city of Tehron, the [00:22:18] the capital of. had the grand [00:22:22] opening, [00:22:23] there was a soft opening earlier, but the grand opening of [00:22:26] new subway station called [00:22:30] Virgin Mary station, and there's a statue of Virgin [00:22:33] Mary, there's a bronze plaque there, telling the story the [00:22:37] Virgin Mary, something the most Americans don't know is happening in [00:22:41] Iran. um, wow, what, what are your [00:22:45] experiences as you cross the country meeting with young [00:22:48] Christians? "especially with young Catholics, [00:22:52] so I assume orthodox Christians also attend your talks, [00:22:55] are are are people aware that these ancient Christian communities [00:22:59] still exist? yeah, I think orthodox [00:23:03] are more, I do have an orthodox following are more aware [00:23:06] of it, Catholics are becoming increasingly aware of it with the [00:23:10] conflict in Iran, yes, over the last three [00:23:14] years, and they need to become more aware of it. I mean, I was a church history [00:23:18] teacher for 10 years." and mean we aren't catholics [00:23:22] aren't even aware their rich [00:23:24] history and qu europe [00:23:28] let alone the middle east so and of course they're so [00:23:32] underrepresented there christians that it's really good work think [00:23:36] i think i can guess which filmmaker you're [00:23:39] working with to make that one and that man what an important [00:23:43] documentary that should be because when when [00:23:46] americans have been caught up in the false higalian dialect. of who do you [00:23:50] support muslims or jews in the middle east, it's like [00:23:54] christians is who i want to support in the midd [00:23:57] and i don't care protestent orthodox catholiced [00:24:00] any christian in the middle east is on my team and that's who i want [00:24:02] to support and that's the the dollars and love and [00:24:06] prayers that i want to send over there so [00:24:10] it is interesting though that if you compare i didn't [00:24:13] know that there was the holy virgin mary train station [00:24:17] in terron but they the muslims do... i will say think she [00:24:21] is the holiest woman, they think she was the mother a [00:24:25] virgin, perpetual virgin, they think she was the mother - they rightly believe [00:24:29] she was the mother the messiah, they just of course um [00:24:33] don't believe that that uh the messiah was also god, but but they [00:24:37] have and it's in it violates shariya law in most their countries [00:24:40] to say something nasty about um [00:24:44] mary, so it's it's it's interesting and many [00:24:48] many converts come into... from our [00:24:51] lady of Zetoon, Egypt, they have a [00:24:54] profound love that's very workable toward [00:24:58] conversion in regard to blessed Virgin [00:25:01] Mary, [00:25:03] and thank you for watching, [00:25:05] this is the deep state, and remember, keep asking us the questions the government wants [00:25:09] you to ignore. I'm John Kiriaku and we'll see you next [00:25:12] time. [00:25:44] If any two countries want to resolve issues, they can resolve it outside of [00:25:48] Syria because winds. area, we want connectivity to [00:25:52] ports, to highways, to internet to be hub [00:25:56] for, and if we want that, we cannot be area of [00:25:59] conflict. [00:26:09] "Ja sam htio da dam krv za ranjenike [00:26:13] iz razloga pod broj jedan što su ruska i srpska krv jedna [00:26:17] krv za donbas, jednostavno hoću [00:26:21] da da pokažem ljubav kao što su i Rusi pokazivali ljubav kad je nama bilo [00:26:25] teško u Republici Srpskoj na Kosovu koji su, ja sam htio [00:26:29] da vidim kako ovaj narod ovde živi, ja sam hteo da dođem ovde..." [00:26:48] dešavanja koja se ovde dešavaju i kako ovde narod [00:26:51] živi, [00:26:55] ja sam hteo da se sretnem sa ruskim borcima da vidim i [00:26:59] mogu vam reći da su to sve heroji da. 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