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[00:00:00] own lands
[00:00:00] of and uh that's as Israel's national security minister sees
[00:00:04] Palestinian territories as nothing but real estate
[00:00:08] and openly calls for locals to just leave their homes
[00:00:11] voluntarily, just a quick warning, up next we're going to show some
[00:00:15] distressing images. Gaza is a
[00:00:19] real estate arena. I want to
[00:00:21] of a refugee to leave voluntarily, I don't want to send them
[00:00:23] of anywhere. The conditions are not good there for some
[00:00:25] of them, correct? I have no problem with this. I'm
[00:00:28] of humanitarian, okay? I'm doing the... favor, I'm getting them out of here, I want them to say to the
[00:00:32] world, look, there's a solution. Well, amids the
[00:00:36] statements from BenGir and other Israeli top officials, Washington
[00:00:39] remains silent, but if someone tries to speak out against Israeli
[00:00:43] actions, that's when the United States is very quick to shut those
[00:00:47] of voices down. Quite possibly one
[00:00:48] of the
[00:00:49] a world's most famous journalists, Tucker Carson, addressed exactly this
[00:00:53] as the guest on the program going underground. Now, the latest segment
[00:00:57] of the hard hitting interview is here on party later this
[00:01:01] hour, but here's a preview, so meanwhile
[00:01:05] we have tens of millions of people here
[00:01:07] a illegally, not not much has been done to change that, but criticize
[00:01:11] Israel and you get as legal
[00:01:14] in immigrant deported, as a college student or someone with a
[00:01:17] of job, it's um, yeah, the whole the power
[00:01:20] of the US government has been harnessed on behalf
[00:01:24] of
[00:01:26] of Israel, and I never thought I would say that, I can hardly believe it's true, but
[00:01:30] is true and I'm not quite sure what to make of it, I don't know what the end game
[00:01:34] is exactly, I don't how we
[00:01:36] of walk back from this, I've never seen a more
[00:01:40] aggressive display of identity politics, identity politics being the idea that
[00:01:44] certain groups have more rights than others, there's never been a more anti-american idea than
[00:01:48] that our system, the whole promise of our system, that is the
[00:01:51] operating thesis
[00:01:53] of the administration, we defend Israel, anyone who criticizes
[00:01:57] Israel must
[00:01:58] of be destroyed, I mean Trump's... attacking me, not that I care, but it's just
[00:02:02] it's sort of remarkable to me, given how well I know him, how well
[00:02:06] I've always gotten along with him, given how
[00:02:09] of you know how much I've supported him over the years, I criticized Israel and
[00:02:13] like that's it, but Israel is is foreign country, so
[00:02:17] criticizing Israel is no more morally significant to an American than criticizing
[00:02:21] Madagascar or Spain, it's just it's it's another country,
[00:02:25] you can have any opinion you want on it, but no, no
[00:02:27] longer.
[00:02:31] of Now
[00:02:32] of again
[00:02:32] this episode as in just few moments right here on RT
[00:02:36] International. Meanwhile from our news team in Moscow. Thank you for keeping us
[00:02:40] company.
[00:02:52] of
[00:03:03] of December,
[00:03:06] 1947, Rome, Michael Libert, leader
[00:03:10] of the Ukrainian nationalist militant wing, hides out
[00:03:13] in a safe house. He's in panic. He's just learned that the poles are
[00:03:16] looking for him, seeking vengeance for wartime atrocities committed
[00:03:20] in Poland. Meanwhile, the Soviet Union is pressuring Italy to
[00:03:25] in extradite him for collaborating with the Gustapo and for his role nazi
[00:03:28] crimes.
[00:03:36] but liber was rescued by the Americans and swiftly taken safety, first to
[00:03:40] Germany, then the United
[00:03:41] States, all on the direct
[00:03:45] orders of Alan Dallas, one
[00:03:47] of the most powerful men in US intelligence.
[00:03:51] Despite US counter intelligence files describing as a
[00:03:54] Ukrainian fascist saidist and
[00:03:56] of nazi collaborator, Dallas needed men. exactly like
[00:04:00] him. At the time, the recently formed central intelligence
[00:04:04] of
[00:04:04] of agency was developing a plan to establish an
[00:04:07] of anti-Soviet underground movement in western Ukraine. This would be the
[00:04:11] of Fledgeling intelligence agency's first major operation against the
[00:04:15] Soviet
[00:04:16] of Union. Just months
[00:04:20] earlier, on July 26th, 1947, Harry Truman
[00:04:24] signed the National Security Act to establish the
[00:04:27] of CIA.
[00:04:32] "the organization that helped libid and hundreds of other Nazi war criminals
[00:04:36] escaped the doc and noos by giving them jobs in the U.S.
[00:04:41] of instead. I would think a large and
[00:04:44] of a large emphasis after the creation was the counter the Soviet
[00:04:47] Union. the Soviets never really, never
[00:04:51] really,
[00:04:51] of of really threatened the west. I certainly believe that the
[00:04:55] West is responsible for the start and the continuation
[00:04:59] of the cold." This war would drag on for
[00:05:03] decades, but the decisive battles would not be fought with tanks,
[00:05:07] war planes and under artillery thunder, they would manifest in
[00:05:10] clandestine shadows. by men in plain
[00:05:13] clothes. It's true that the cold war was
[00:05:16] largely waged by intelligence agencies determined
[00:05:20] to try to weaken and undermine the other
[00:05:23] side.
[00:05:52] In the warm spring of 1945, it felt as though world peace
[00:05:56] had come for good. They are the ture reunited with each
[00:05:59] other and with all peace-loving nations, buse the
[00:06:03] idea of lasting peace will become a reality. Peace
[00:06:07] and endure only so long as humanity
[00:06:11] really insisted. on it and is willing to work for
[00:06:15] it and sacrifice for it. It felt as though that would always be
[00:06:19] the
[00:06:19] case.
[00:06:46] 'but these were mere flashes of rare warmth and light amidst the
[00:06:50] icy darkness of emnity between the two poles of 20th century
[00:06:54] world order. why did the
[00:06:57] peace so many had longed for give way
[00:06:59] to new protracted war? at what point did the
[00:07:03] post-ward take fateful turn? which decisions and
[00:07:07] most importantly people shaped that course of events? let's
[00:07:11] start at the very'.
[00:07:12] beginning.
[00:07:20] In December, 1947, shortly after its creation, the
[00:07:23] US National Security Council issued directive
[00:07:26] 4A. It defined America's enemies and outlined
[00:07:30] how they should be fought. To plan and conduct within
[00:07:34] available funds, covert psychological operations designed to counteract
[00:07:38] Soviet and Soviet inspired activities. It
[00:07:42] was. operation or directive which included psychological warfare, that
[00:07:45] includes, part of that includes
[00:07:48] distributing documents,
[00:07:51] pliers, um, infiltrating
[00:07:55] groups
[00:07:57] um to um to try to build and and and
[00:08:00] question the settlement, basically trying to influence people's perspectives
[00:08:04] their own countries.
[00:08:08] many now believe the Hollywood line that the USSR was the first to...
[00:08:12] engage in the long-running confrontation with the CIA and
[00:08:15] MI6, but that is far from
[00:08:17] true.
[00:08:26] It wasn't until 1952, five years after the CIA's
[00:08:30] creation that Stalin initiated intelligence and counter intelligence
[00:08:34] reforms. Two years later, that culminated a new name
[00:08:38] for the service, the KGB, by which time
[00:08:42] start. had
[00:08:42] died, and as for
[00:08:46] the KGB, they felt they were defending Russia, which to an
[00:08:50] extent, of course they were, but by the
[00:08:53] mid-1950s, the CIA had already launched a large scale if
[00:08:57] covert offensive on multiple fronts. In
[00:09:00] 1948, US intelligence launched the first phase of
[00:09:03] operation Icon. The objective was to engage with
[00:09:07] Russian-speaking emigrate communities to counter Soviet influence
[00:09:11] worldwide.
[00:09:15] In 1949, as part the new operation
[00:09:18] Redskin, agents recruited from displaced persons were
[00:09:21] sent to infiltrate Soviet territory. We dropped
[00:09:25] people in uh, you lithuanians back into the Baltics
[00:09:29] and to that place them there as assets of
[00:09:33] our own,
[00:09:34] you know, basically promoting pro
[00:09:37] pro-separatism movements as well, where
[00:09:40] operation Redskin involved. covert agents infiltrating the Baltic
[00:09:44] States, the parallel operation Red socks saw armed militants
[00:09:48] deployed to join the forest brothers who had fought the Soviet authorities
[00:09:52] since the war ended. The Forest
[00:09:56] Brothers were known sympathizers and supporters,
[00:09:59] nationalis basically,
[00:10:02] and supporters of the Nazis as they came
[00:10:05] through, anti Soviet
[00:10:09] elements and they are very alter.
[00:10:15] Recently declassified documents now reveal that the CIA well knew that
[00:10:19] it was backing nazis and hardened
[00:10:21] criminals.
[00:10:25] members the Latvian legion were faced with the choice of reporting to assembly
[00:10:29] points and becoming prisoners of war, or taking to the forests and
[00:10:32] continuing to fight. In this manner, larger and smaller groups of
[00:10:36] partisans sprang up. The demoralized, but
[00:10:40] otherwise good fighting groups aim became bandity in all sorts of
[00:10:43] illegal acts without taking into consideration the moral or
[00:10:47] patriotic views their victims. These
[00:10:51] people had themselves uh had fairly bad
[00:10:55] record and had committed crimes and therefore it
[00:10:58] was unwise of any western power to
[00:11:02] actively encourage these groups. Today the Forest Brother's
[00:11:06] traditions continue with regular Baltic NATO
[00:11:09] units. The alliance even made a film about
[00:11:12] it. But the legacy of a struggle by a
[00:11:16] small force against overwhelming odds lives today in the
[00:11:20] special forces units of all three countries. All our
[00:11:24] history. derives from the forest browers, their
[00:11:27] tactics uh of spreading out to the forest in small groups.
[00:11:31] Michael Binnon, renowned British journalist spent many years as the
[00:11:35] Times is correspondent in the Soviet Union.
[00:11:39] Perhaps more than anyone, he knows the true history the cold
[00:11:42] war. And who was really responsible
[00:11:46] for escalating it? Chancellor Helmut
[00:11:50] Cole. Some the operations carried out when the cold war
[00:11:53] began, particularly.
[00:12:55] and the Ukrainian insurgent army,
[00:12:57] the UPA, played active parts in SS mass reprisals and
[00:13:01] anti-semitic programs in which more than one and a half million people were
[00:13:05] brutally killed, primarily jews and poles.
[00:13:09] even though they supported nazi Germany and supported hundreds
[00:13:13] of thousands of deaths. we embraced them, we funded
[00:13:16] them, we trained them, we supported them
[00:13:20] in order to uh gather information
[00:13:23] from them to to... supporter countering the soviets. US and British
[00:13:27] intelligence services began to prepare Ukrainian nazis for sabotage
[00:13:31] operations against the Soviets as early as the end of World War
[00:13:34] II. Well, during the war in Ukraine there was a strong
[00:13:38] pro-fascist element. The United States through the
[00:13:41] OSS and then the CIA builds up the
[00:13:45] pro-fascist forces in the post war period, forces
[00:13:49] around Bandera. Stepan Bandera, the
[00:13:52] Ukrainian nationalist leader who entered in. an alliance with Hitler's vermacht as
[00:13:56] early as 1941. In Poland and Israel he's still
[00:14:00] regarded as a symbol of bloody terror and the genocide of Polish and
[00:14:04] Jewish people. In Ukraine there are statues of Vandera
[00:14:08] and streets named in his
[00:14:09] honor.
[00:14:16] Bandera, libid and other Ukrainian nationalist leaders
[00:14:19] mobilized their supporters for the first phase the west operation Cartel
[00:14:23] against the USSR. which began as early as the late
[00:14:27] 1940s, basically a cartel involved in the
[00:14:31] aerodynamic, but basically those were key instruments
[00:14:34] to uh to provide
[00:14:38] assets both in and to nurture assets and
[00:14:41] to fundranational sentiment within the
[00:14:45] soviet union along mostly center out of ukraine
[00:14:49] in those cases create disruptions, however
[00:14:53] to counter soviet as...
[00:15:25] становиться по мере возможности членами там сельсоветов, потом
[00:15:29] Райсоветов, даже вступать в коммунистическую партию, до этого доходило,
[00:15:32] вот когда начался наша перестройка, развал
[00:15:36] Советского Союза.
[00:16:10] have the tools, why
[00:16:11] to say don't we we just start with stability and business
[00:16:14] deals, living on man? we have very good
[00:16:17] propaganda in our press here in Europe. i think we don't know the
[00:16:21] aftermath. anytime that you're not allowed to ask questions,
[00:16:24] you should ask all the questions. the more questions ask, the better the answers
[00:16:27] will
[00:16:28] be.
[00:16:38] "now that the Soviet Union has long ceased to exist, and Ukraine is an independent
[00:16:42] state, western operations against Russia, including its soil have only
[00:16:46] grown, but now they're not so covert
[00:16:48] anymore. you now that
[00:16:52] mr. newland was caught on uh on
[00:17:05] yeah, clearly, clearly, clear. US influence on on the
[00:17:09] overthrow of Ukraine. I think there are agents in Washington that want to
[00:17:13] keep the cold war going because they make lot of money out of it to put it
[00:17:17] bluntly. I don't think the same group of
[00:17:20] people are around in Russia, because
[00:17:23] apart manything else, what do they want? I
[00:17:27] mean, all Russia wants, as far as I can
[00:17:30] see, is secure near
[00:17:33] abroad. That's what every country wants.
[00:17:46] But let's go back to when it all started. The US Special Services
[00:17:50] Global Plan required lot of investment and the government spared no
[00:17:54] expense. If in the CIA's first year of existence its budget
[00:17:57] was $4.7 million dollars, four years later, at the height
[00:18:01] of anti-Soviet operations, that figure had grown to
[00:18:05] 82 million. And after World War or two, money
[00:18:08] was no problem for the White House. The United States ended up as
[00:18:12] the only great country that had not been touched by
[00:18:16] war, its factories were in fine shape, its factories in fact have been
[00:18:20] built up by making production for the war
[00:18:23] effort. American production doubled during the war.
[00:18:27] America, the United States controlled half the world's wealth, even more. With the
[00:18:31] период, собственно, никакой альтернативы доллару
[00:18:35] как главному расчётному средству.
[00:19:07] to strengthening Hitler's position in Germany, so it was a really
[00:19:11] ugly kind of collaboration that is not really understood, not
[00:19:15] understood very well. A lot of those arrangements have been established
[00:19:19] through Sullivan and Cromwell, the Wall Street
[00:19:22] firm that was headed by John Foster Dullis and Alan
[00:19:26] Dullis. The same two Dullas men, one will become the US
[00:19:30] Secretary of State, and the other will lead the world's most sinister intelligence
[00:19:34] agency, the CIA, but they weren't the only ones. keeping
[00:19:37] ties with Nazi Germany, George
[00:19:40] Bush's grandfather, Prescott
[00:19:43] Bush was one the people who was instrumental in that, he had
[00:19:47] these banking accounts with United
[00:19:50] Banking uh that maintained the accounts with
[00:19:54] many the German corporations. Major US
[00:19:58] corporations
[00:19:58] were actively working with
[00:19:59] the Third Reich in the 1930s, but chose not to cut
[00:20:03] ties, even when the Nazis began to destroy with sadistic
[00:20:06] fervor. anyone who didn't fit in with their new world
[00:20:10] order. Montegue Norman, Henry
[00:20:14] Ford, leaders of American
[00:20:16] corporations. A lot them were
[00:20:19] either covertly or openly supporting
[00:20:23] Hitler. On Hitler's orders in 1938,
[00:20:27] Henry Ford was awarded the Grand Cross the German Eagle.
[00:20:31] Nazi Germany's highest honor for foreign nationals. Hitler
[00:20:35] says at one point, Henry Ford is...
[00:20:50] profit to gain from fighting it, even at
[00:20:54] the height of fascism in the 30s, it was the
[00:20:57] communists that - worried the
[00:21:01] British, choose nice neutral
[00:21:04] word, 80 years ago, millions were budgeted
[00:21:08] specifically to defend against communism, which the Soviet Union
[00:21:12] allegedly meant to impose on the whole world, the Americans and the British really
[00:21:16] were afraid of communism and basically
[00:21:20] isn't
[00:21:20] that much further advanced is socialism which is uh pretty much through lot
[00:21:24] of western Europe and France and in Germany and in Italy, they
[00:21:28] have healthcare, they have lot of state-owned
[00:21:31] production, they have semi planned
[00:21:34] economy, but somehow that's
[00:21:37] fine.
[00:21:42] in the late 1940s, US and UK authorities worked
[00:21:46] tirelessly to convince their citizens that communist ideology was...
[00:21:50] no less than an existential threat to all
[00:21:52] mankind.
[00:21:56] in recognizing a communist, physical appearance counts for nothing. if a
[00:22:00] person consistently reads and advocates the views expressed a
[00:22:04] communist publication, he may be a
[00:22:07] communist. since 1947, by Truman's
[00:22:11] decree, anyone suspected of having communist ties has been
[00:22:15] barred from public service. in the same year a new
[00:22:18] law banning. states communist party members from holding senior
[00:22:22] trades union positions. In few years, this becomes
[00:22:26] one the most shameful stages
[00:22:28] of 20th century American democracy,
[00:22:30] mccarthiism. And even even if there
[00:22:34] were only one communist in the state department, even if there are only
[00:22:38] one communist in the state department, that could still be one communist, too
[00:22:42] many.
[00:22:50] science and art figures are persecuted, physicists Robert Openheimer
[00:22:54] and Albert Einstein, writer, Erwin Shaw, singer,
[00:22:58] Paul Robson, even comic actor and director, Charlie
[00:23:01] Chaplin. We ruined people's lives, we ended
[00:23:05] their careers, we arrested them, whether they're
[00:23:09] American citizens or not, um,
[00:23:13] and we silence people, basically took away
[00:23:16] the our constitutional rights essentially. uh right
[00:23:20] to protest, freedom of speech. One key
[00:23:24] anti-communist hysteria initiator was FBI director Edgar
[00:23:27] Hoover, a man literally obsessed since youth with fighting the
[00:23:31] red menace. Communism in
[00:23:34] reality is not a political party. It is a way of
[00:23:38] life, evil and malignant way of life. It reveals a
[00:23:42] condition a kin to disease that spreads like an
[00:23:45] epidemic, and like an epidemic, it quarantine is
[00:23:49] necessary to keep it from infecting this nation. Jadgar, the
[00:23:53] director the FBI, the Federal Bureau of
[00:23:55] Investigation. Huver was a controversial person, he
[00:23:59] was very powerful person, and he really controlled the
[00:24:03] FBI. He built it up into what it
[00:24:05] is today,
[00:24:08] and he, my grandfather would never
[00:24:11] comment about somebody like that, he didn't, why make
[00:24:15] an enemy, he was a politician, there no point in
[00:24:19] making an enemy. unless you have to.
[00:24:23] It was said that Hoover, fearing attack from the Reds,
[00:24:26] never entered room with open curtains and kept a loaded gun
[00:24:30] under his pillow. Sure, he was paranoid, but he was also
[00:24:33] calculating, and and it was the calculating Hoover who
[00:24:37] used the power that he had to to blackmail
[00:24:40] people, to frighten people, much like we saw during the Bush
[00:24:44] period, when when uh we used the war on terror to
[00:24:48] scare people. Whether by design or
[00:24:51] coincidence, it's now believed that almost all fathers the Cold
[00:24:54] War had serious mental health issue. This is
[00:24:58] William Wild Bill Donovan, director the US Strategic
[00:25:02] Services Office. He organized an unprecedented network of
[00:25:06] secret agents, 16,00 spies around the
[00:25:09] world.
[00:25:14] In the 1950s, the ideological father the CIA,
[00:25:18] Donovan, was hospitalized. with signs of dementia and depressive
[00:25:21] symptoms. He escaped and wandered around New York in
[00:25:25] pajamas, telling passes by he'd seen red army troops crossing the
[00:25:28] 59th street bridge in Manhattan. Another CIA
[00:25:32] founder and creator the U2 Spy plane program, Frank
[00:25:36] Wisner was diagnosed with manic depressive psychosis in
[00:25:39] 1958. Seven years later, during severe
[00:25:43] episode, he committed
[00:25:44] suicide.
[00:25:49] The same. Fate befell US Secretary of Defense James Forestle
[00:25:53] who was admitted to a special clinic in 1949 diagnosed
[00:25:57] with nervous and mental exhaustion. During two months
[00:26:01] of treatment he kept repeating. "the Russians are coming, they're
[00:26:04] everywhere, then he jumped from a 16th floor
[00:26:07] window. Maybe they weren't
[00:26:10] accidents that they got
[00:26:12] killed,
[00:26:14] perhaps um, perhaps
[00:26:18] are, did he really fall to his death,
[00:26:22] jumping off uh, you know, out the off the
[00:26:25] building, did he really kill himself,
[00:26:28] or is that what it looked like? Some the decisions that they made..."
[00:26:32] "i would have problems living with, but and then again, maybe they started
[00:26:36] to question too much, and so they got taken care
[00:26:39] of. the excessive paranoia displayed by
[00:26:43] the special services and military heads even alarmed President Truman
[00:26:47] when, on April the 7th, 1950, the National Security
[00:26:50] Council presented him with report known as NSC
[00:26:54] 68. the 66 page document outlined a global plan
[00:26:58] to continue militarizing the cold war until the Soviet Union's
[00:27:01] total collapse."
[00:27:06] план предусматривал активную деятельность направленную против
[00:27:10] СССР и его союзников в самых разных областях, начиная от
[00:27:13] экономики, кончая пропагандой, включая конечно
[00:27:17] наращивание.
[00:27:27] allies and
[00:27:27] The we European would have to place strategically
[00:27:31] place equipment there. build up forces there in order to
[00:27:34] counter
[00:27:35] conventionally. those who prepared
[00:27:39] the document, which would cost America hundreds of trillions of
[00:27:42] dollars, did everything to ensure Truman signed the plan that would
[00:27:46] divide the world into two poles for
[00:27:49] decades. now it's about 900 different
[00:27:52] bases around the world, which also plays role in not
[00:27:56] allowing any other country to come to the stature
[00:28:00] the Soviet Union. And that's another reason why
[00:28:04] we're counting Russia, but also Russia's
[00:28:07] rise. Even though the main objective of that
[00:28:10] memorandum, the collapse the Soviet Union happened long
[00:28:13] ago, the main provisions of NSC 68 continue to
[00:28:17] be imposed. Its key goals have not been annulled to this
[00:28:21] day.
[00:28:31] We've discussed the secret. and little known pages the very start the cold
[00:28:35] war, when it could still have been stopped, but by the
[00:28:38] 1950s, the point of no return had been passed, and since
[00:28:42] then humanity has more than once found itself on the verge of new
[00:28:46] world war. Koreer in Vietnam saw conflicts
[00:28:50] between American and Soviet troops, the Caribbean crisis, the Arms
[00:28:54] race, bloody uprisings in Europe, Espinage
[00:28:58] wars, the battles for Africa and Afghanistan,
[00:29:02] and other. terrible cold war episodes, so much truth still remains
[00:29:05] undisclosed, and some are still with us who could tell
[00:29:09] it. I came into politics to build a better
[00:29:12] world, not to be some sort of lick spittle
[00:29:16] for any pressure groups, I'm
[00:29:19] pro-human beings, so that
[00:29:23] is also of course made me very unpopular here, because I
[00:29:27] say things about Russia everybody say, totally
[00:29:30] unrepresentative, I say... not, not what I'm saying is
[00:29:34] what ordinary Russian people want, they want a
[00:29:38] peaceful world that they can grow up in and grow
[00:29:42] richer in and leave better world for their
[00:29:45] children than they had themselves. It's a very, very simple
[00:29:49] thing.
[00:30:25] I'm afshanrfancy and welcome back to going underground for the third and final part of
[00:30:29] our conversation with Tucca Carlson. "you mentioned
[00:30:33] assassination, the thread of assassination to you, but I
[00:30:36] mean, and but it is your contention that that your friend
[00:30:40] Charlie Kirk, it was suspicious, the timing with which he
[00:30:43] was saying, we're going to allow voices on stages
[00:30:47] of a turning point USA to attack
[00:30:51] Israel, and uh, he was being threatened,
[00:30:54] yeah, uh, after that, well, me, specifically, it was about me,
[00:30:58] which is the whole thing is kind of..."