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[00:02:00] This will be an honest detective story.
[00:02:20] Now let's continue our conversation about corruption cases and reshuffles in the Ukrainian echelons of
[00:02:23] power. Olga Stefanyshyna, former Ambassador of Ukraine to the USA, was given a pre-trial restraint in the form of
[00:02:27] bail in the amount of 134,000 dollars.
[00:02:30] This was reported by the Center for Combating Corruption. As I recall,
[00:02:33] various charges have been brought against her. Now, joining us
[00:02:36] via video link is Vasily Prozarov, a former SBU officer and founder of the Ukrleaks project. Vasily
[00:02:40] Nikolayevich,
[00:02:42] hello. Good afternoon. In your opinion, what is the reason for
[00:02:46] the attack on Stefanyshyna? Who is playing against her, and what role does she herself play in the
[00:02:49] political landscape of Ukraine?
[00:02:53] You know, the first thing that caught my eye when I read
[00:02:56] about Stefanyshyna was...
[00:03:00] To be honest, the insignificance of the corruption crimes she is
[00:03:03] accused of. Honestly, it's pennies. She didn't declare an apartment
[00:03:07] there, or something else. The total amount
[00:03:10] is ridiculous compared to other
[00:03:13] Ukrainian corruption cases. It seems
[00:03:16] to me that her attack,
[00:03:19] so to speak, is a continuation of the scandal
[00:03:22] with Fedorov. As
[00:03:26] we have already discussed, Fedorov was supposed to be a minister
[00:03:30] of defense. These are the largest
[00:03:33] financial flows in Ukraine, and Zelensky removed
[00:03:36] Fedorov because he wanted to bring
[00:03:39] these financial flows under his control.
[00:03:42] When all this happened, we talked about
[00:03:45] how it wasn't over, that the pressure
[00:03:48] on Zelensky would continue. Currently, the deputies of
[00:03:52] the Verkhovna Rada are on vacation, but on the eighteenth, they will return from
[00:03:56] vacation and will make decisions, including
[00:03:59] voting for a new minister of defense and for
[00:04:02] personnel changes in general. I think that
[00:04:05] the attack, so to speak, on Stefanyshyna
[00:04:09] is pressure on Zelensky
[00:04:12] so that he, so to speak, backs down and brings
[00:04:16] Fedorov back. Vasily Nikolayevich, in that case, why did Zelensky recall
[00:04:20] her from the position of ambassador to the United States? Some of your colleagues believe that he sent her there
[00:04:23] precisely to protect her from the threat of criminal prosecution.
[00:04:27] Well, one can assume that he had no
[00:04:31] choice, that such incriminating evidence was presented to him that, unfortunately, he had to
[00:04:35] do it. One can assume that
[00:04:38] he is trying to save people who know a lot about
[00:04:42] him, like Stefanyshyna.
[00:04:46] But I see it this way: this is a continuation of the struggle for
[00:04:49] the position of minister of defense. And why then
[00:04:52] are the claims so minuscule in the end? Does this mean that some agreements
[00:04:56] are still in effect, influencing the investigation?
[00:05:00] No, I think this is what was simply
[00:05:04] already prepared, what didn't require much digging or
[00:05:08] proving. It's what was really
[00:05:11] at hand. They took what was at hand. You know, you can
[00:05:15] grab onto something small, and then during the investigation of a criminal
[00:05:18] case, dig up everything else. This is, roughly speaking, a parachute
[00:05:22] against her, in the language
[00:05:24] of investigators. That is, something she
[00:05:28] cannot escape. That's why they latched onto
[00:05:32] such a trifle. Everything was very clearly shown to Zelensky:
[00:05:35] "We are here, we are close, we can even target
[00:05:39] your closest circle." And... what
[00:05:42] are the prospects, how do you think this case will develop?
[00:05:46] It's interesting if Zelensky will withstand it or not. Again, I repeat, in my
[00:05:50] opinion, it's about money. The position
[00:05:53] of Minister of Defense, I repeat again, involves the largest financial flows
[00:05:57] in Ukraine right now. Zelensky,
[00:05:59] of course, wants to keep them under control. Those
[00:06:02] representatives of the West, even Soros's people, whom
[00:06:06] they are now talking about in connection with the attack on
[00:06:09] Stefanyshyna, and who are behind...
[00:06:42] He also has support and protection in the West and in
[00:06:45] Europe, and I think there are such behind-the-scenes
[00:06:49] negotiations going on now, it's just scary to
[00:06:52] imagine. As for Fedorov, how serious a threat does he currently pose to
[00:06:56] Zelensky, in your opinion, from a political point
[00:06:58] of view? I think he does not pose a threat, well,
[00:07:02] he does, but not by himself. He represents
[00:07:05] himself as, let's say,
[00:07:08] an avatar of those people who are, well, fighting
[00:07:12] against...
[00:08:24] as if they perceive themselves as some kind of saviors of Europe and Western countries, to whom everything is permitted,
[00:08:27] everything is allowed, including the elimination of undesirable
[00:08:31] people. The story with Vadim Yarmolaev in
[00:08:35] Monaco is a clear confirmation of this. Therefore,
[00:08:38] yes, I quite think that on the territory of Ukraine, Fedorov
[00:08:42] will not be touched, because that would too clearly point to
[00:08:45] Zelensky. But if he is sent as an ambassador somewhere
[00:08:49] to Canada or the UN or Britain instead of
[00:08:52] Zaluzhny, and something unfortunate happens to him there, we
[00:08:56] fully allow for that possibility. If we look at who is
[00:09:00] manipulating whom, and if we consider the version that certain forces
[00:09:04] are behind all the figures of
[00:09:07] Ukrainian politics, who
[00:09:10] is behind Zelensky, who is behind Fedorov?
[00:09:14] In the end, who will be stronger in this
[00:09:16] confrontation?
[00:09:19] No, well, it's really hard to say who it is.
[00:09:22] Well, it's considered, a priori, that the British
[00:09:26] are more behind Zelensky now,
[00:09:29] and representatives of Soros and some representatives
[00:09:32] of the USA are behind Fedorov. But you know, this is such, let's say, an
[00:09:36] overused journalistic cliché, that it could be
[00:09:40] completely the opposite. I assume that...
[00:10:12] quite a lot of such loud statements that go against
[00:10:16] Kyiv's policy.
[00:10:19] Can we say that Zaluzhny, as Zelensky's main
[00:10:23] opponent, has been replaced by Fedorov?
[00:10:26] No, you know, what's good about Western, well,
[00:10:30] I don't even know what to say, this is the work
[00:10:34] of special services, informational, diplomatic work for the
[00:10:37] future. They never throw anyone away. Remember
[00:10:40] the saying of Walter Nikolay, the head of German
[00:10:43] intelligence, that in intelligence there are no discards, there are personnel.
[00:10:47] They will never write anyone off. They will still keep some
[00:10:50] figure on a short leash, tossing them
[00:10:54] money. At the right moment, pulling them out of the deck for
[00:10:57] some specific actions, for some specific
[00:11:00] operation. Right now, it would seem that Zaluzhny is nobody and his
[00:11:04] name is nothing. Everyone has forgotten about him, but he was needed to strike
[00:11:08] at Zelensky or to show Zelensky that
[00:11:11] we know
[00:11:14] your pain points, we will hit them, and boom, here's
[00:11:18] Zaluzhny. They will never, I mean the West, these Western
[00:11:21] puppet masters, they will never write off
[00:11:25] even the slightest public opinion leader. Therefore,
[00:11:28] to say that Zaluzhny has been written off is absolutely impossible.
[00:11:32] If needed, they will pull him out, dust him off and
[00:11:35] put him in first place. Two
[00:11:39] months of active information work, and he's back on the
[00:11:42] front pages, he's back to being a national hero,
[00:11:46] he's back to being first on the bench. So no,
[00:11:49] you can't say that he's been written off. As
[00:11:53] for corruption investigations, "Mindich,
[00:11:57] Yermak, Stefanyshyna, Umerov, maybe I forgot someone,
[00:12:00] please add to it, almost all of Zelensky's inner circle is
[00:12:04] somehow involved in this scandal.
[00:12:08] It seems that all these investigations, if not put on hold, then someone
[00:12:11] was released on bail, against someone the case simply
[00:12:15] died down. This is all
[00:12:18] some kind of politics, yes, which can then, as you
[00:12:21] say, flare up with new force, or..."
[00:12:55] from all sides, showing that, "Boy, look, you could be next.
[00:12:58] We know everything about you, all your, roughly
[00:13:02] speaking, financial supports, we've knocked them all out." There was
[00:13:06] such a term in Ukraine when I worked on organized
[00:13:09] crime,
[00:13:12] "destruction of the economic foundation of organized crime," "destruction
[00:13:16] of the economic basis of organized crime." So,
[00:13:19] these corruption scandals are very similar to
[00:13:22] knocking out the economic basis from under Zelensky.
[00:13:25] Perhaps this is being done by those people who want to
[00:13:29] replace him, put their own person in, and make money
[00:13:32] in Ukraine, well, into one pocket, so to speak. And do you think this
[00:13:35] could eventually lead to some compromise solutions from Kyiv, including
[00:13:38] on conflict
[00:13:41] resolution? Well, yes, it's quite possible, because,
[00:13:45] for example, those who remove Zelensky are interested in
[00:13:49] the development of the European economy, which cannot
[00:13:52] exist without Russian energy resources. And this is, as
[00:13:56] it were, a field for compromises. But the thing is, I repeat again,
[00:13:59] Zelensky is not acting alone, serious figures also stand
[00:14:03] behind him, and the worst
[00:14:05] thing is
[00:14:08] that colossal money is being made from this war. Many
[00:14:11] people are interested in this war continuing,
[00:14:15] so whether it's Zelensky or someone
[00:14:17] else,
[00:14:20] the groups that are interested in the continuation of this war
[00:14:24] are making money.
[00:14:46] after all these shifts on the front line, there might be some changes, how did it all
[00:14:50] affect things? No, you know, everything, well, on the front
[00:14:53] line, thank God. Drone attacks
[00:14:59] are
[00:15:05] very painful for us, we won't
[00:15:08] hide it. As for politics, you know, it reminds me
[00:15:11] very much of the Ukrainian
[00:15:14] Directory's turmoil after the 1917 Revolution,
[00:15:18] the change of power in
[00:15:21] Ukraine, roughly speaking, until 1921.
[00:15:25] At that time, power changed so quickly that people didn't even
[00:15:28] have time to remember their names.
[00:15:32] In Ukraine now, too, there are no figures left, only some
[00:15:35] clowns who...
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[00:30:19] used by the AFU. Russian troops launched new strikes on targets deep in the
[00:30:23] AFU rear. What is known about the results?
[00:30:26] Ahead of schedule, the Far East
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[00:30:48] Specialists in regime change.
[00:30:51] According to the press, the CIA formed a special operational
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