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[00:00:00] The war as it unfolds, words, this is is not only air, land, sea,
[00:00:04] we now also have cyberspace and we see the
[00:00:07] relevant photos? Of course, it is not a new field
[00:00:11] exactly, but as you rightly said, the building is new
[00:00:14] and one of the reasons why this building was built with
[00:00:18] a donation from Athanasios Laskaridis is
[00:00:21] in order to gather into one specific service all the
[00:00:25] capabilities of cyberwarfare,
[00:00:28] cybersecurity of the armed forces. Let's
[00:00:31] say that Mr. Bletsas knows the technical details
[00:00:35] much better than me, that the network-centric
[00:00:38] system of the armed forces is a closed system, so in reality,
[00:00:42] it provides protection to the closed system of the
[00:00:45] armed forces and where, of course,
[00:00:48] there is something that is shared on the public
[00:00:51] internet, such as the websites of the staff
[00:00:55] and it will be very important because the new
[00:00:59] doctrine of the country is network-centric, so all the new
[00:01:02] systems are connected to each other and
[00:01:06] provide exactly all these together
[00:01:10] it is an additional tool in order
[00:01:12] to ensure the integrity of the
[00:01:16] operation of the doctrine and the best possible
[00:01:20] operation and as they told me and I have written it in
[00:01:23] Kathimerini, the existence of a new building, anyway,
[00:01:26] somehow moved us up in an informal ranking that exists
[00:01:30] within NATO for the
[00:01:33] ability of
[00:01:36] such a comprehensive provision
[00:01:39] of protection on issues that concern cybersecurity. It is not
[00:01:42] only the internet and the
[00:01:45] networks of the armed forces, it is also
[00:01:48] the issues concerning the country's infrastructure. Here, we should mention
[00:01:52] that the IT and
[00:01:55] cyber warfare department can, in consultation with Mr. Bletsa's department, and if
[00:01:58] Mr. Bletsa's department requests
[00:02:02] it, also provide assistance in case
[00:02:06] infrastructures are hit, such as water supply
[00:02:09] and electricity infrastructures of the
[00:02:12] country. So, it is a tool in the hands of the state, so to
[00:02:16] speak, and for dealing with
[00:02:19] hybrid threats. Let's bring Mr. Bletsas into our discussion. Yes,
[00:02:22] Mr. Bletsas, we are listening.
[00:02:25] Look, it is certainly a
[00:02:29] pleasant development. The Cyber Defense
[00:02:32] Directorate is a
[00:02:35] unit that has been operating for many years now
[00:02:38] with good capabilities,
[00:02:41] a unit that also
[00:02:44] had political action, as Mr.
[00:02:48] Nedos mentioned, and in fact, we are among the
[00:02:51] countries that have done this
[00:02:54] very well. Other countries have problems with the
[00:02:58] cooperation of civilian authorities with
[00:03:02] the military. In Greece,
[00:03:05] fortunately, we don't have that
[00:03:08] and you know, fortunately because there aren't many of us.
[00:03:12] The biggest problem in cybersecurity right now,
[00:03:15] especially in the public sector, is the lack of
[00:03:18] specialized personnel, so we cannot afford not to
[00:03:21] utilize the capabilities wherever they exist as much as
[00:03:25] possible. The national cybersecurity
[00:03:29] authority has mainly taken on the
[00:03:32] regulatory and supervisory role.
[00:03:36] Now, Greece, like the
[00:03:39] other European countries, has a very
[00:03:41] strict cybersecurity regulation, a
[00:03:45] regulation that is not very easy for
[00:03:48] an entity to
[00:03:50] comply with, but it is something that is
[00:03:54] necessary and something that we had neglected in the
[00:03:57] past. Therefore, now we are running to
[00:04:01] catch up and cover the lost time all
[00:04:04] together, because at the same time, and Vassilis, feel free to interrupt,
[00:04:08] obviously, as we evolve, the
[00:04:12] threat itself evolves even faster, that is, the threat from the
[00:04:15] attacker, and I imagine that one of the
[00:04:18] goals of the directorate, which is obviously not new,
[00:04:21] is to try to fill the gap, but also to
[00:04:25] deal with the immediate
[00:04:28] threats. Yes, of course, there is this
[00:04:31] characteristic, I think, and again, here I speak as a non-expert, as
[00:04:34] a journalist, but I think that precisely because
[00:04:38] of the speed with which artificial
[00:04:41] intelligence is also moving, so a large field now of what
[00:04:44] happens on the internet and how we deal with threats that
[00:04:47] stem from this area, it also has to do with
[00:04:51] artificial intelligence, so then
[00:04:54] any authority, yes, it can't not have
[00:04:57] it, I think it is now
[00:05:00] how can I say, a given that anything that has to do with network-centric
[00:05:04] security obviously touches upon artificial
[00:05:08] intelligence, so they also have conscripts, Vassilis,
[00:05:11] inside. who are serving their military service
[00:05:14] within the framework of active reserve, which is a
[00:05:17] new concept, let's say, in
[00:05:20] military service. The goal is for
[00:05:24] people who serve their military service to maintain contact with the
[00:05:27] army after their
[00:05:30] discharge, because as the cyber defense directorate staff told
[00:05:34] me that day we met
[00:05:36] this osmosis with the conscripts also brings things into
[00:05:40] the directorate that are
[00:05:44] useful. Indeed. Mr.
[00:05:46] Bletsas, are we currently
[00:05:50] in a position to say how quickly we will be able to fill this
[00:05:53] gap that has been created, not only from the under-investment
[00:05:57] that was happening in such systems and in such new
[00:06:00] structures and what will be
[00:06:04] required perhaps for the near future years? We saw, for example, that in the last
[00:06:07] KISA, some decisions were made that are intertwined with
[00:06:11] this whole process.
[00:06:15] Look, I am the last person you will hear
[00:06:18] me say I am satisfied. It's my job not to be
[00:06:22] satisfied
[00:06:24] in this particular case. Beyond that, this is the
[00:06:27] situation, we need to move faster
[00:06:31] and we need to look at some institutional things.
[00:06:35] The bureaucracy of the Greek public sector is orthogonal to
[00:06:38] cybersecurity.
[00:06:41] We cannot deal with incidents with
[00:06:44] paper, as we often have to do
[00:06:47] now. A procurement of
[00:06:50] specialized equipment, and
[00:06:54] often not so specialized
[00:06:56] equipment, cannot
[00:06:58] take months or often
[00:07:01] years.
[00:07:03] There are many steps that need to be
[00:07:06] taken. These are what we are trying to do right
[00:07:09] now. We have examples.
[00:07:12] There are many countries in Europe that are much further ahead of us, but
[00:07:16] they also started decades before
[00:07:18] us. Therefore, we don't need to
[00:07:21] reinvent the wheel, but
[00:07:24] what we need to look at, as in many
[00:07:28] other activities of the Greek
[00:07:31] public sector, is how we can retain
[00:07:35] specialized personnel in
[00:07:37] key positions. Fortunately for us, the private
[00:07:41] sector in Greece has the capabilities, but
[00:07:44] some people in the public sector need to be able to
[00:07:48] know how and where to utilize these
[00:07:52] capabilities of the private sector, to put it very simply, and this
[00:07:55] is becoming increasingly difficult,
[00:07:58] even in the military, which had these capabilities,
[00:08:02] because these people had undergone
[00:08:05] specialized training abroad, in allied
[00:08:08] countries, etc. and stayed for a long
[00:08:12] time. Even there, the difference in
[00:08:15] remuneration is so great that everyone leaves or
[00:08:18] often they are discharged
[00:08:21] due to the regulations of the armed forces
[00:08:24] and so we do not retain this
[00:08:28] experience where we should.
[00:08:31] Therefore, many things need to be done, many
[00:08:34] things are being done right now, we are moving as fast as
[00:08:38] we can. Vassilis, one last thing, since you entered
[00:08:42] the... directorate, how have all these things been carefully
[00:08:45] conveyed, because even the photos, I saw,
[00:08:48] I noticed that wherever it was allowed, wherever it was allowed,
[00:08:52] you used the initials of the people speaking,
[00:08:54] that is, more or less as if you were with a select unit of the
[00:08:58] armed forces, just like the corresponding reports for the ZMC. Yes, the
[00:09:02] people know their job very well. I think Mr. Bletsas said
[00:09:05] it too. Indeed, and I would like to
[00:09:08] say that see,
[00:09:12] it's impressive, it's
[00:09:15] really impressive and it's impressive that this
[00:09:18] infrastructure exists in a country like Greece, which a few years ago went through
[00:09:22] a crisis. And it's also
[00:09:26] a pleasant fact that apart from the, to stay in the
[00:09:30] armed forces part, that apart from the impressive
[00:09:32] platforms, the FDIs, the frigates, the planes, and
[00:09:36] so on, there's also something that is so crucial for the
[00:09:39] support of this work. Now, regarding
[00:09:43] what Mr. Bletsas highlighted, which plagues the
[00:09:46] armed forces in all fields, that is, the lack of
[00:09:49] personnel, the inability to
[00:09:52] provide incentives for people to stay in the Greek
[00:09:55] economy as a whole, I would say at this moment, and in the public sector, anyway, in
[00:09:59] critical areas, I think that there needs to be
[00:10:02] a, I don't remember who said it for the first time, this
[00:10:06] "revolution of the obvious," that for example, there needs to be
[00:10:09] created, a way found
[00:10:13] for people who do hard work in the public sector to get something
[00:10:16] extra. This taboo needs to be overcome, there is no
[00:10:20] other way, anyway. So, we thank
[00:10:23] you very much for.
[00:10:31] and the national cybersecurity authority is in
[00:10:34] need of restoration or, if you like, renovation
[00:10:37] of the building. If there is a volunteer, unfortunately we cannot
[00:10:41] give honorary rank, but take care of
[00:27:19] let's go to Cairo to meet, it's Mr.
[00:27:23] Kazamias, Mr. Antonis Kazamias, who
[00:27:26] is the president of the Greek Center of Cairo. Good morning Mr.
[00:27:30] Kazamias, good morning.
[00:27:35] what news do you have there to give us?
[00:27:56] things there, I had the luck to be there last October twice
[00:28:00] in the. even in the
[00:28:03] monastery and in Sinai, the Greek
[00:28:06] community strongly upholds the
[00:28:10] light of Hellenism, there the expatriate center produces
[00:28:14] very strong work, tell us a few
[00:28:17] true of course, the Greek community dynamically
[00:28:20] maintains with its president Mr. Christos
[00:28:23] Kavalos, the Patriarchate
[00:28:25] of Alexandria, the
[00:28:27] Archdiocese of Sinai, with
[00:28:31] Abbot, Archbishop Mr. Simeon,
[00:28:35] we are a large community, a strong
[00:28:38] community, with entrepreneurs,
[00:28:42] we have Greeks, Egyptians, we keep the Greek language,
[00:28:46] we keep the Greek flag
[00:28:49] high always, as do the Egyptians, because we have, as
[00:28:53] you know, these two homelands, of course
[00:28:56] and recently the Greek center also opened a
[00:28:59] second Greek center in their peninsula.
[00:29:06] which is a tourist resort
[00:29:08] from where it is an
[00:29:11] hour from Saint Catherine and an
[00:29:15] hour from Sharm El Sheikh, the big tourist
[00:29:19] resort and one of the
[00:29:20] famous
[00:29:23] from the famous tourist resorts of the Middle East. Now let me
[00:29:27] ask you, Egyptian cuisine is wonderful, but
[00:29:30] as my notes say.
[00:29:33] uh our esteemed chief editor Nikos Minas uh
[00:29:37] there are many high-ranking officials
[00:29:40] of Egypt who prefer the culinary
[00:29:44] delights offered by the Greek center. Is this
[00:29:47] true? Recently, in the last two years, I inform
[00:29:51] you that we have greatly improved with the
[00:29:54] cuisine with Greek food with Greek
[00:29:57] cooks with Greek waiters please and
[00:30:01] Egyptians of course. We teach them, we have
[00:30:04] also high-ranking officials, ministers,
[00:30:06] officials, uh, recently we also had from
[00:30:09] Greece the president of Parliament, Mr.
[00:30:13] Kaklamanis, we had, every MP who comes
[00:30:16] or every high-ranking official who comes to Egypt, passes through the Greek
[00:30:20] center, however we have given a
[00:30:24] very beautiful image to the Egyptians and to the
[00:30:27] officials, as you say, who frequent, I won't say
[00:30:30] every day, but every other day. You will see them near
[00:30:34] us, and recently I appointed an honorary
[00:30:38] president, Mr. Khalid Fouad, honorary president of the Greek
[00:30:41] center, who is the advisor to El-Sisi, the president of
[00:30:45] the Egyptian Republic for local development, who
[00:30:49] also facilitates us
[00:30:51] to open even more Greek centers in
[00:30:55] other tourist resorts. So how nice, thank
[00:30:58] you very much for this