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[00:00:00] in another biological fluid, in which substances first pass
[00:00:03] and then end up in the rest, there we will
[00:00:07] see substances that have been affected in the last few
[00:00:10] minutes or the last few
[00:00:13] hours, so substances which
[00:00:16] will indeed be important for the process of
[00:00:20] death, however, the important thing is what you said, if if if there has
[00:00:24] been intoxication and what kind of intoxication and in what quantity, Mr. Manikis can better
[00:00:27] answer us, I don't know at first. first of all, could
[00:00:31] intoxication occur in such a medical office and
[00:00:34] specifically for this examination and by this
[00:00:37] doctor? Let's also greet Mr.
[00:00:41] Vasilopoulos, the president of the Hellenic Hematological Society, who is
[00:00:45] with us. Good morning to you.
[00:00:48] Good morning to you. Uh, for this procedure
[00:00:51] of so-called plasmapheresis, which
[00:00:55] is not exactly plasmapheresis. Anyway, for this procedure, sedation or
[00:00:59] intoxication is not required, people call it intoxication, usually we
[00:01:02] refer to it as sedation, if however, one
[00:01:06] administers sedation in a medical office, there must be
[00:01:10] a specialist who is an anesthesiologist and
[00:01:13] there must be an anesthesia machine, we cannot administer sedation, which
[00:01:17] unfortunately we have heard happens, here we see a message
[00:01:21] however that someone sends according to information from insiders here of the
[00:01:24] show and says that they have administered intoxication, what do they mean, they might
[00:01:28] mean something else, no, no. They mean that, they mean that,
[00:01:32] so, so, uh, it might have happened, you say it's not
[00:01:35] needed in plasmapheresis, that's why I'm asking, yes, it might have happened and it might have
[00:01:39] happened, if one connects, because I have
[00:01:41] been following the case from the beginning, with a
[00:01:44] piece of information that came out and was never heard again, if
[00:01:48] the information is true that at some point, uh, Mr.
[00:01:52] Mazonakis was excitable,
[00:01:55] he was agitated, this information was heard, my mind immediately went
[00:01:59] to the fact that to someone
[00:02:02] who has sedation
[00:02:06] at their disposal, they are tempted to administer it even if they are not a specialist,
[00:02:10] of course this is forbidden, you cannot do it, medical offices cannot
[00:02:13] administer sedation, no one can administer, you said earlier if
[00:02:16] and we have heard that it happens, have you heard it? Yes, we have heard
[00:02:20] that it happens from patients that I went to such and such a medical office to do this examination and
[00:02:24] because I was afraid they gave me sedation, how dangerous
[00:02:27] is this? Very dangerous because? General
[00:02:30] anesthesia basically in sedation uses the
[00:02:33] drugs of general anesthesia, essentially
[00:02:36] they are the same drugs in smaller
[00:02:39] doses, so individualization comes
[00:02:42] in, how much can it metabolize,
[00:02:45] how is the patient at that moment, if we have assessed them
[00:02:49] correctly and much more, when we administer sedation, we do
[00:02:52] not have the secure airway that we call, when we give
[00:02:56] general anesthesia, we have intubated, we have secured.
[00:03:00] so we control the breathing, the anesthesiologist and
[00:03:04] the team, we don't control it, it's not in the
[00:03:07] patient's ability if they will breathe or not, if the sedation
[00:03:10] was more or less, if it's less, you administer more
[00:03:14] and cause respiratory depression now, in addition to the
[00:03:18] depression of consciousness, you know, but what I have heard many
[00:03:21] times, uh, various minor surgeries
[00:03:24] in some medical offices, even
[00:03:27] cosmetic ones that tell you okay. in two hours you leave and
[00:03:31] go home and it's nothing with sedation and
[00:03:35] so you go there and there is no
[00:03:37] anesthesiologist, this sedation is administered by the doctor who will also perform
[00:03:41] this minor surgery, is this normal? No, it's not
[00:03:44] normal at all, it's not normal, it's dangerous, of course it's
[00:03:48] dangerous because the term sedation is misleading, it is
[00:03:52] sedation, it is general anesthesia, essentially
[00:03:55] it is dangerous, of course, because
[00:03:59] the drug can cause respiratory depression,
[00:04:03] it's easy, it's very easy, when we are called to administer
[00:04:06] sedation with all the means, we are
[00:04:10] even more cautious and more careful than with general
[00:04:13] anesthesia, ah, more more more more careful than with general
[00:04:16] anesthesia, yes, yes, indeed, so, uh, Mr.
[00:04:20] Vasilakopoulos, president of the Hellenic Hematological
[00:04:23] Society, Vasilopoulos, I apologize, I apologize,
[00:04:27] I apologize, all these things we are discussing about
[00:04:30] private medical offices where various treatments are performed, when did you
[00:04:34] denounce them? Since 2019 we had
[00:04:38] informed EOM, EOM and I think also the
[00:04:41] Ministry of Health, uh, not about plasmapheresis,
[00:04:44] I repeat, but about the treatments they claim
[00:04:48] to perform with stem cells, as you saw this
[00:04:51] clinic was called stem cell clinic,
[00:04:54] yes, these stem cells which are wrongly called stem cells,
[00:04:58] right, stem cells, the only stem cells in the organism are those that come from
[00:05:01] fertilized eggs, all the others are primitive
[00:05:05] cells or mesenchymal cells, which can produce
[00:05:09] various tissues, the most easily accessible of the primitive ones
[00:05:12] are the cells that make blood, the hematopoietic, the
[00:05:15] primitive ones, which can be taken from peripheral blood and
[00:05:19] we, when you made the complaint, plasmapheresis machines
[00:05:23] existed in the country, we had not dealt with it, it did not concern us,
[00:05:26] look, the company that produces the specific machine in which
[00:05:30] Georgos Mazonakis was performing apheresis, has been
[00:05:33] on the market for quite some years, it's not
[00:05:36] new, uh, what my
[00:05:40] colleague told you before, this was not normal plasmapheresis. In
[00:05:44] normal plasmapheresis the whole plasma is replaced,
[00:05:46] here they don't do such a thing, they pass the
[00:05:50] plasma through two filters and almost everything returns
[00:05:53] back, with the notable exception of some
[00:05:56] macromolecular compounds, very large, that is, of molecular weight, very large
[00:06:00] size and some microplastics that the
[00:06:03] parent company claims, what was the dangerous thing that you had identified
[00:06:07] back then and you had rung the bells in '19,
[00:06:10] that it was, yes, that it was. a
[00:06:14] claim which has no scientific basis, these primitive cells
[00:06:17] the only thing they can
[00:06:21] do, they can make blood and they are administered,
[00:06:24] that is, they were ridiculing people to take their money,
[00:06:27] shamelessly, shamelessly, these cells don't produce anything, they only produce
[00:06:31] blood, with the complaint, did anything happen now? No, nothing
[00:06:34] happened, practically they still don't exist, that is,
[00:06:38] there are still some who promise such
[00:06:41] treatments. Look, it's not a Greek phenomenon, if you browse
[00:06:45] Swiss sites or German sites or in Northern Europe,
[00:06:49] you will find that they promise these things, which are
[00:06:51] false, it's simply a, if you will,
[00:06:54] paid by whoever can act, orthodoxy
[00:06:57] for longevity, for whatever goes with these, but
[00:07:01] in practice they do absolutely nothing, they only make blood and
[00:07:05] only in a specific place, only in the minds of the warm, nowhere else do
[00:07:09] they do anything else. Yes, and all this.
[00:07:14] as a treatment that you had to repeat two or three times, it's black, right, because
[00:07:18] there are also research, the new
[00:07:22] application that will, how do you see it? Will
[00:07:25] people be saved from swindlers?
[00:07:29] AI, yes, yes, look, look, AI can
[00:07:32] quickly scan a bunch of titles and raise a
[00:07:36] red flag for what's weird and what's not weird and so on.
[00:07:40] Previously, I watched a bit of the... debate between Mr.
[00:07:44] Kaliakmanis and Mrs. Pagoni, practically the medical association and every
[00:07:47] association which is a trade union body, cannot conduct these
[00:07:51] checks, so it can have a disciplinary board, but the essence is
[00:07:55] in the state, that is, the one who has been elected, it's
[00:07:58] difficult to punish them, that's
[00:08:02] why I believe that the control and the disciplinary
[00:08:04] board should pass back to the state with its own bodies,
[00:08:08] not to those who elect each medical association.
[00:08:12] I think,
[00:08:15] yes, it's a trade union, guild-like, if someone has
[00:08:18] voted for you, then you will, let's say, okay, you might find something,
[00:08:22] but you won't try to cover it up, if you want to run
[00:08:25] again, uh, yes, that is, okay, I'm not saying that
[00:08:28] these people are corrupt, but you understand that there are, this is the society
[00:08:32] of people, we don't say no, however, yesterday we
[00:08:35] communicated with all the board of the medical association and from
[00:08:39] the faction that is currently
[00:08:43] in charge, but also with the other factions, and they told us we have made a decision
[00:08:46] as the board not to speak, since a prosecutorial
[00:08:49] investigation is underway, we had doctors from the medical association
[00:08:53] as guests today, who are not coming out,
[00:08:56] I don't know what that means, but we also keep that for
[00:09:00] people's judgment, everything is all in people's
[00:09:03] judgment, yes, look, I think that as a body it should make a collective decision
[00:09:07] and not an impulsive one, and secondly, I think it's also prime time now for the
[00:09:11] ministry to recreate that body of health inspectors, it did a good job, as
[00:09:14] far as I know, uh, because now police checks cannot be carried out, Mr. Leon,
[00:09:18] right, police-type checks by doctors.
[00:09:22] However, if, yes, if you allow me,
[00:09:26] I, as a citizen, let's say, I don't hide what
[00:09:29] I saw, I googled
[00:09:32] all these intravenous therapies, the medical offices that promise all
[00:09:36] these things that Mr. Vasilopoulos said so correctly, and I would
[00:09:40] tell you that I see one after another that they are being taken down.
[00:09:43] essentially, the internet, so just the desire,
[00:09:47] uh, expressed by the ministry to have this check from the application,
[00:09:51] I think it's already working with the application, of course,
[00:09:55] but it's enough for them to be taken down. I'm
[00:09:57] afraid it might be such such
[00:10:00] a thirst for youth, for us to
[00:10:04] anticipate the years, that we start looking
[00:10:08] for anything, you know, like Carneades, mouth to
[00:10:12] mouth. Look,
[00:10:16] of course, for the general public, I remind you that Carneades also had a
[00:10:20] site, uh, so he advertised his
[00:10:23] wares, uh. I would say that for
[00:10:26] me, information is very crucial, that is, that today
[00:10:30] I am with you, with two distinguished
[00:10:33] colleagues, uh, for me it is very important,
[00:10:37] that is, I want to say that the public's information on medical
[00:10:41] issues must be intensified, but it must be intensified
[00:10:44] by specialists in the right way, with the rules,
[00:10:47] so that the citizen knows the limits of medicine, so as not to fall
[00:10:51] victim to charlatans and of course the state. will
[00:10:55] have to regulate all these issues, among others, advertising, which colleagues know very well
[00:10:59] is defined within the code of ethics,
[00:11:02] but many times a doctor who has reached the point of
[00:11:06] selling false hopes, obviously does not even care about the code
[00:11:09] of ethics, correct,
[00:11:32] unpleasant news, one of them is the one we mentioned yesterday and concerns
[00:11:35] the 17-year-old boy from Pefkochori who continues to
[00:11:38] be hospitalized intubated in the coronary unit of the
[00:11:42] Hippocrateion Hospital of Thessaloniki for the second 24-hour period.
[00:11:45] His condition is extremely critical, he has a severe
[00:11:48] cerebral edema, they have not been able to
[00:11:52] intubate him. I'm sorry, did I
[00:11:55] say that wrong, his personal sanctuary, okay,
[00:11:57] and it became, beautiful, his personal sanctuary,
[00:12:01] yes, so a large
[00:12:04] poster was placed which says that Sitia honors George Mazonakis, below
[00:12:07] there was also a relevant album where his
[00:12:10] fans left their own personal
[00:12:13] note, thus paying tribute to George
[00:12:16] Mazonakis and today I want to tell you that in the village of Pefkoi
[00:12:20] there will be again a memorial service for George
[00:12:23] Mazonakis. Indeed, okay, I think his love
[00:12:27] throughout Greece,
[00:12:30] of course, yes, of course, from end to end, his special
[00:12:33] homeland, he had spoken about Crete and how much
[00:12:37] he loved it, about his cousins there, he had
[00:12:40] spoken and danced, of course, so,
[00:12:58] from near the airport of Riyadh, the
[00:13:01] capital of Saudi Arabia. For years, the Houthis had not dared
[00:13:05] to send missiles. As they say,
[00:13:08] they had two targets, Riyadh and the loading terminal at
[00:13:12] Yanbu in the Red Sea. You understand what impact this will have
[00:13:15] on oil prices. Here we see the crown prince of Saudi
[00:13:19] Arabia, who says that the forces, the legitimate forces
[00:13:23] of Yemen and the forces of.
[00:13:25] ours are a little more than 20 km away from Sanaa, the
[00:13:29] capital of Yemen, and we could capture it, he
[00:13:33] says, but we would have too many civilian casualties, which is why
[00:13:36] we are holding back, says the crown prince. The Houthis'
[00:13:40] strike, so after the Houthis' strike, at exactly the same
[00:13:44] time, we must say that we have President
[00:13:47] Trump returning exhausted. We see here
[00:13:51] it also shows how dramatic the developments are, exactly.
[00:13:55] Yes, to the White House and to Camp
[00:13:57] David. Sources tell CNN that he received
[00:14:01] briefings on possible plans
[00:14:04] and scenarios of an attack against the
[00:14:07] Houthis in Yemen. And here we see a shot from
[00:14:11] Fairford in Britain where a
[00:14:14] B-1 Lancer
[00:14:17] bomber takes off.
[00:14:21] It could just be an exercise, but usually
[00:14:23] this, uh, this trail it leaves behind
[00:14:27] means it's fully loaded, it's laden with fuel.
[00:14:31] President Trump, we will see what decisions
[00:14:35] he will make. Uh, at the same time, we also have
[00:14:38] Hakan Fidan's intervention, not about Turkish issues, he did that too, but in the
[00:14:42] same interview he also intervened about Saudi
[00:14:45] Arabia. As he said, we see that very
[00:14:49] serious attacks have been carried out against the territorial integrity,
[00:14:52] sovereignty and infrastructure of Saudi Arabia. If we examine our
[00:14:56] agreement, he means Mecca, right,
[00:15:00] there is an obligation of allied solidarity between the
[00:15:03] countries. Our president, Erdogan, is
[00:15:06] indeed a leader who keeps his word.
[00:15:09] We are examining, we are conducting a thorough assessment and analysis of the
[00:15:12] situation. These from the, of course, in the same interview
[00:15:16] it seemed that he would not want a possible cooperation between
[00:15:20] Israel and Saudi
[00:15:21] Arabia.
[00:15:24] Information says that Israel offered
[00:15:28] cooperation not with warplanes and such, but
[00:15:32] cooperation at the level of intelligence, of satellites to Saudi
[00:15:36] Arabia to target.
[00:15:46] However, at this moment, the thorny issue and the big problem is what
[00:15:49] Trump will do with the Houthis. The Houthis seem to have taken
[00:15:53] the reins in that region. You see what they're doing,
[00:15:57] you see how they're acting, you see the attacks they're making. Here America needs to see
[00:16:01] how it will respond. Yes, and it's striking,
[00:16:03] it's striking the fact that now.
[00:16:07] a movement of irregulars,
[00:16:11] with of course the support of Iran, with the support of Iran,
[00:16:14] right? And how will the Houthis be dealt with? Here are
[00:16:18] the Houthis. However, they were having discussions,
[00:16:21] right, last week they were having discussions with Trump, with the
[00:16:24] American, they didn't work out. Let's see the next one. Until now they had maintained a
[00:16:28] very cold stance throughout the
[00:16:31] Iranian situation. Now they are also closing
[00:16:35] the Bab al-Mandab.
[00:16:38] the other strait. We'll see what happens with that. Indeed,
[00:16:41] well, excellent, let me show you just a few images,
[00:16:45] 500 far-right individuals went to march in a
[00:16:48] forbidden march in The Hague, Netherlands, dogs were
[00:16:52] mobilized, as we see, mounted
[00:16:55] police, and
[00:17:13] good morning, Mina, good morning, George. Yes, these are the
[00:17:16] unpleasant news, one of which is the one we mentioned yesterday and concerns
[00:17:19] the 17-year-old boy from Pefkochori who for
[00:17:23] a second 24-hour period continues to be hospitalized, intubated,
[00:17:26] in the coronary care unit of the Hippocrateion Hospital of Thessaloniki.
[00:17:30] His condition is extremely critical, he has a severe
[00:17:34] cerebral edema, they have not been able to.
[00:17:43] The information we have is that
[00:17:46] hemodynamically he is still very weak, the doctors cannot
[00:17:49] stabilize him, they are constantly monitoring him and
[00:17:53] doing everything humanly possible so that his condition is somewhat stabilized,
[00:17:56] but we understand that this whole first 48 hours is
[00:18:00] extremely critical, we naturally hope that everything will go well with this
[00:18:03] 17-year-old boy who, I remind you, suffered a cardiac arrest outside the
[00:18:06] courtyard of his school in Pefkochori. Tell us about the
[00:18:09] 13-year-old and about the clash, about
[00:18:13] juvenile delinquency, what happened.
[00:18:16] So another incident of juvenile delinquency occurred in the
[00:18:20] area of Ampelokipoi in western Thessaloniki, where a
[00:18:23] group of young girls, 13 years old,
[00:18:27] attacked a 13-year-old
[00:18:29] girl, they hit her, with the result that later the
[00:18:33] 13-year-old girl was taken to the health center of Evosmos and then from
[00:18:36] there to... it's a recommendation to the family so that she can also be taken to the
[00:18:40] Hippocrateion, because we understand, due to her young age, even though the 13-year-old did not have any serious
[00:18:44] injury, she had to be examined by the hospital doctors,
[00:18:47] ultimately, I want to tell you, the next day, two 13-year-old
[00:18:51] girls came forward voluntarily with their parents,
[00:18:54] they admitted that they were the ones who hit the 13-year-old
[00:18:58] girl, a case file was formed by the prosecutor, who temporarily
[00:19:02] released them, indeed, violence,
[00:19:05] interesting and what is the reason.
[00:19:15] Good morning to you, where shall we start? So let's
[00:19:19] start, let's stay on juvenile violence, unfortunately we will have to
[00:19:22] stay there, we had an incident on Friday
[00:19:25] night in Vrilissia where two 14-year-olds
[00:19:28] clashed and we had a kidney
[00:19:32] injury from punches and kicks of one child to another
[00:19:36] unfortunately. With the kidney removed, let's say, and of course
[00:19:39] charges were filed for this incident, this is
[00:19:43] an indicative sign of the times, we have usually said that for a trivial
[00:19:46] reason all this happens, so for a trivial reason, for
[00:19:50] reasons that really do not worth the effort,
[00:19:53] let's move on to a second news item, let's see video footage
[00:19:57] that came to light, how a gang that broke into houses with
[00:20:01] over, you see here images with over 179-180,000 euros
[00:20:03] 179-180.000€
[00:20:06] is estimated there.
[00:20:15] which we also saw in the summer, incidents of people leaving for
[00:20:18] holidays, they went and put silicone on the doors to
[00:20:22] see when they would open or when they wouldn't open, so that they could
[00:20:25] enter the house and foreigners and not only were
[00:20:38] price increases for fares, as we call them, to and from the
[00:20:42] airport in Athens and Thessaloniki, we can also see the
[00:20:45] relevant card from here in Athens, for
[00:20:49] someone going to the airport will now pay 50 euros for a single fare, from 40
[00:20:53] euros, we are talking about an increase of 10 euros, it's not small, the
[00:20:56] night charge is 65 euros from
[00:20:59] 55 euros, exactly, a very large increase. In Thessaloniki,
[00:21:03] to go to the airport is 38 from
[00:21:06] 28, and the waiting, the well-known waiting
[00:21:09] for the taxi to pick someone up is 20 euros from
[00:21:13] 15. I think they are not negligible, and as
[00:21:16] the representatives of the taxi drivers told us, they
[00:21:20] have requested an increase in the fare,
[00:21:23] and they will consider it in the coming period. Of course, we must say that
[00:21:27] they have not been implemented, they will be implemented when it is submitted and
[00:21:30] yes, they will consider it and they told us on the radio they will consider
[00:21:33] their stance in the coming period
[00:21:48] theft.
[00:21:58] I have an issue with the return and that's
[00:22:00] why I'm delaying, not only, but we'll find everything fine, so, they didn't just
[00:22:04] hide their faces,
[00:22:08] their faces, they were wearing helmets, they entered
[00:22:11] a main street of Vrilissia, they found a
[00:22:14] car and without any
[00:22:16] hesitation they went after midnight, half an hour
[00:22:20] after midnight they opened it and left. The owner of the
[00:22:24] car appeals to everyone to look for something
[00:22:27] in case the car is found. He has given the license
[00:22:31] plate number, but since we have done these reports many
[00:22:34] times,
[00:22:36] if there was a GPS tracker, the car could have been mobilized
[00:22:40] or he could have found it
[00:22:42] immediately. Unfortunately, however, he didn't have one, so these
[00:22:46] two men took it with the helmets, with the photos we have secured. And
[00:22:50] they left. Yes, and it's not, as you said, the only
[00:22:54] time. We constantly see on these
[00:22:56] pages about stolen vehicles, etc., similar photos and videos. It's a
[00:23:00] plague, Mina, that people are looking for their cars. So