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[00:00:00] today with Dimitris Oikonomou and Giannis Titaras
[00:00:04] daily at 6 am on
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[00:07:21] Mazonakis, let's go to Eleni Anesiadou to see some news from the Greek
[00:07:24] countryside, and we start with an unpleasant incident, exactly, let's go
[00:07:28] to Evia and we take, you don't
[00:07:32] call it unpleasant, you call this
[00:07:36] outrageous, you call it, it
[00:07:39] angers you, what can I say now, exactly and this video
[00:07:43] was enough to provoke the anger of Christians on social
[00:07:46] media, so what do we see? We see a rural vehicle which
[00:07:49] transports, tied to the bed of the rural
[00:07:52] vehicle, a horse which was injured in its
[00:07:56] leg, we don't have information yet as to why
[00:08:00] this particular horse was injured, under what conditions and for what reasons
[00:08:03] it was transported with the bed, I don't know, let's say that
[00:08:07] for no reason do
[00:08:10] you tie a injured animal
[00:08:13] to the bed of a rural vehicle and drag it, you put it
[00:08:16] on the rural vehicle, the injured animal and you
[00:08:19] take it to the doctor, in the civilized world, that's
[00:08:23] what you do, that's what we know, so
[00:08:27] we don't know if there's any intervention by the authorities after the d, we will
[00:08:30] monitor the issue to see what happens from now on, indeed, from there we will
[00:08:34] go to Volos, where at this moment we are getting images from
[00:08:37] magnesianews.gr, we see a person, a taxi
[00:08:41] driver, who is injured, why then, on
[00:08:45] Friday in Nea Ionia, this taxi driver
[00:08:48] was there when two people approached
[00:08:51] him and asked him to use his taxi to take them for a ride, he
[00:08:55] refused because these people are known for their criminal activity in the
[00:08:59] area. When the man said that he didn't want to transport them because they
[00:09:03] wouldn't pay him, then they hit
[00:09:05] him, causing this fracture.
[00:09:08] Specifically, the son was a father and a son, the son then took a
[00:09:11] broomstick. and started hitting him. The specific
[00:09:14] driver even filed a lawsuit, while at this moment
[00:09:18] we see that all the taxis are gathered outside the police station in order
[00:09:22] to express their support to this driver. The
[00:09:26] broomstick broke the man's arm.
[00:09:29] Terrifying daily wages in some cases for taxi drivers.
[00:09:33] Indeed, let's continue. Let's go to Veria and
[00:09:37] we get an image from veriotis.gr. Fast and furious then in
[00:09:40] Veria, so what happened. In the morning of Friday, a
[00:09:44] different bang woke up people because a
[00:09:47] car landed on a shop window at the entrance of an
[00:09:51] apartment building, as we can see it was 4 in the morning, fortunately
[00:09:55] there were no injuries. No one from the airport, exactly, apart from
[00:09:59] material damages, worse happened at the
[00:10:02] intersection of Venizelou and Anixeos. Crete, let's go to
[00:10:05] Crete and let's go to Crete because okay, I think we are
[00:10:08] used to such images, if I may say so, in Crete and in
[00:10:11] Votsi. But it shouldn't be, it shouldn't be, it shouldn't be exactly, and this
[00:10:15] is the dangerous thing, that we have come to terms with these images, if that's
[00:10:19] possible, every two or three days we get such images, from Crete
[00:10:23] so we know it's closed.
[00:10:28] So what's happening here? We see in the circle that there's a vehicle which, despite
[00:10:31] the fact that the road is closed, chooses to take its bypass
[00:10:35] and go through the dividers, almost causing
[00:10:38] a one-way street, and he went through
[00:10:41] it to leave quickly, not to
[00:10:44] get in line, my friend, and now, let me
[00:10:47] go, smarty pants, as Konstantinos says, he's a bit of a gentleman
[00:10:50] smarty pants, yes, good for him, smarty pants. It's a bit dangerous, and it can
[00:10:54] cause you serious problems. I say this: this guy is
[00:10:58] a smarty pants, further down there's no one to tell him to get out
[00:11:01] now, to take his license, his
[00:11:05] diploma, his plates. You know what
[00:11:07] I say? Every time this happens, every time I see something like this and I get angry, we
[00:11:11] can all be smarty pants, if that's the case, let's all be
[00:11:14] smarty pants, if there's no punishment for those who are
[00:11:17] smarty pants, then let's become smarty pants now.
[00:11:20] First of all, first of all, it's dangerous, there's a reason why it's a one-way street
[00:11:24] there. Of course, there's no reason, probably
[00:11:28] road and driving behavior, and let's close
[00:11:31] with Evia. So here we see a video which
[00:11:35] was posted by a motorcyclist, a pack
[00:11:38] of wild boars appears before his eyes in Evia, in
[00:11:42] here, dangerous, yes, it's dangerous, and it's an area, Evia,
[00:11:45] where such incidents are really common, and it's also an area, because I've
[00:11:49] done reports, that has a lot of signs to
[00:11:53] warn about
[00:11:55] the however, there was no injury, however, we see that generally the
[00:11:59] animals are starting to move towards residential areas, so many
[00:12:02] questions arise, since we burned our forests, my Eleni,
[00:12:06] we burned our forests, so they are coming down, what
[00:12:10] else can they do? The aid for the wild animals stopped,
[00:12:13] some even released them. Thank you very much Eleni, take care Eleni,
[00:12:17] let's open our topic, the topic, with the
[00:12:20] tragic death of George Mazonakis under these
[00:12:23] extremely.
[00:12:29] who underwent plasmapheresis treatment and this huge discussion has opened up. Good morning to
[00:12:32] Mrs. Matina Pagoni, she is the president of the Panhellenic Medical Association of
[00:12:36] Athens and not the Medical Association of Athens because
[00:12:39] there has been a mistake there. George Mathiopoulos, president of the employees
[00:12:43] of ekv and Michalis Giannakos, president of POEDIN, to discuss
[00:12:46] the issue. Of course, good morning to everyone, good morning, good morning,
[00:12:50] good morning, good morning.
[00:12:52] καλημέρα.
[00:12:57] Let's start with the complaint we saw yesterday here on the show and
[00:13:01] it's worth watching an excerpt for you to comment on
[00:13:04] as well, where the complainant says that we informed the
[00:13:08] medical association of Athens and they told us not to worry, it's a legal
[00:13:12] practice, you don't need to take any action to
[00:13:15] hear Mrs. Gaga's
[00:13:18] revelation that my wife has cancer,
[00:13:21] we entered a commune because Mrs. Gaga's
[00:13:25] medicines, she had also had a tattoo, a year
[00:13:28] earlier the cancer markers were not there and I went
[00:13:31] to Mrs. Gaga, she put me in a
[00:13:34] machine, they found that I had a blood microbe, she told
[00:13:38] me that this is very dangerous, it can develop and
[00:13:41] become something catastrophic for my
[00:13:44] health, she tells me we have to deal with this
[00:13:47] immediately, she put me directly on the preparations that
[00:13:51] came to my office at that time, which were prescribed by someone else.
[00:13:55] Not by Mrs. Gaga, which I told her, I told her you are not a doctor, why don't
[00:13:58] you prescribe them to me? And I was saying that my wife had cancer, and now
[00:14:02] with my blood, I had nothing, nothing, and my
[00:14:05] wife, I call the medical association and I make a phone
[00:14:09] complaint, hyphen report, they told me that the
[00:14:12] practice is perfectly legal, Mrs. Gaga is
[00:14:15] a doctor, this is what they tell me that we suggest you follow
[00:14:19] what the doctor told
[00:14:20] you,
[00:14:23] now what happened here?
[00:14:33] So first of all, let's say that this
[00:14:36] practice is a pathological practice, which means that patients
[00:14:40] can go there to get a diagnosis from her pathologist
[00:14:43] husband, because her husband is a pathologist and
[00:14:47] he was, at least his file at the medical
[00:14:50] association says he is a pathologist, so he could have seen
[00:14:54] this patient. and tell him what to do for the tests, up to
[00:14:57] this point, the fact that he was a pathologist and could see this
[00:15:01] patient, he could, beyond that, the wrong diagnoses and all the
[00:15:04] rest, are the doctor's responsibility and
[00:15:07] of both, even though he is without
[00:15:10] a diploma, without specialization, excuse me, Mrs. Gaga
[00:15:14] had a diploma, she could see the patient,
[00:15:17] but both of them have a great responsibility, because
[00:15:21] they made mistakes in their cases, what
[00:15:24] to see and then the man calls to
[00:15:28] complain that here they upset us, they sent us to the other
[00:15:32] world and we came back to the main point because they told us that my
[00:15:35] wife had cancer and it turns out she didn't have cancer and I called to
[00:15:39] complain to you, this complaint should not
[00:15:42] have proceeded normally,
[00:15:46] if it should have proceeded in the
[00:15:49] sense that the medical association should have checked the
[00:15:52] pathologist, yes, and should have checked the pathologist,
[00:15:55] I tell you this: he had a specialty and could
[00:15:59] see such a case, the medical association should
[00:16:03] have, you mean to say that the doctor's diagnoses are
[00:16:07] wrong. Here
[00:16:15] it
[00:16:19] is that the complaint was made and no one dealt with it, that's the issue.
[00:16:22] Here the point is that from then on, this
[00:16:26] doctor made a wrong diagnosis, both of them, I
[00:16:29] understood that both made a wrong diagnosis.
[00:16:33] So it should have been reported
[00:16:35] personally in addition to the '
[00:16:43] So we agree that this
[00:16:46] complaint should have been processed by the medical
[00:16:50] association. The complainant should have gone to the medical association
[00:16:53] to provide the information. He called and provided
[00:16:56] the information he had about the patient, about his
[00:17:00] wife. The man called and said, and he even says they answered on
[00:17:04] the phone, "You're right."
[00:17:07] So further investigation should have been done from then on. He will also
[00:17:11] go to the police to report them with
[00:17:14] a lawsuit and with a lawsuit to the police. Yes,
[00:17:18] yes. Look now, what you're saying, you
[00:17:21] understand that it's a bit problematic. He called the
[00:17:25] medical association, complained, and they answered, "Don't worry,"
[00:17:29] meaning, should we go directly to the prosecutor? "Don't
[00:17:31] worry" or "You're right" because that's
[00:17:35] different. Now what are they looking for?
[00:18:08] of the medical association, when he entered the specific
[00:18:11] clinic in Karneadou, among other things
[00:18:14] he noticed, he noticed that in the
[00:18:18] patients' files there were no
[00:18:22] tests, before for the
[00:18:25] treatments they were going to do, none at all. I
[00:18:29] believe it, because there was nothing for George Mazonakis, the basics for
[00:18:33] him to have plasmapheresis, no blood tests, no cardiological
[00:18:37] examination. Nothing at all, the same with the
[00:18:40] others, exactly, the previous
[00:18:43] times that the medical association had gone, they hadn't seen
[00:18:46] patient files and they saw that even the previous times they
[00:18:50] went, they found patient files who had not had
[00:18:54] tests before having any treatment, for the first
[00:18:57] time, I don't know if they asked for files, I can't
[00:19:01] answer that, because from the committee if they asked for the files,
[00:19:04] I don't know that and I didn't ask to tell you the truth. Mrs. Pagoni, the issue here
[00:19:08] is that the medical association can perform but
[00:19:12] surely to finish a minute though
[00:19:15] files were not there
[00:19:18] files were not there because even the cards you showed
[00:19:21] that went later and did the check
[00:19:25] showed how long each one had plasmapheresis without
[00:19:29] the name, you have the cards, only the machine
[00:19:32] that, exactly that, only how long they did it, nothing else, yes,
[00:19:35] can I ask again? I apologize, can the medical
[00:19:39] check, the Athens Medical Association conduct serious checks so that
[00:19:43] these violations are detected and not checks that say we found
[00:19:47] nothing, is it possible or not? Let me answer you
[00:19:50] this: the medical association can conduct checks
[00:19:54] up to a point, but if this
[00:19:58] committee is strengthened with a prosecutor and police officers who
[00:20:01] can break down doors, open drawers, open
[00:20:05] cupboards, of course they can... proceed in depth,
[00:20:09] excuse me, Mrs. Pagoni, objection, you go
[00:20:12] to the practice of a colleague of yours and he doesn't
[00:20:15] open the door on purpose, because you know you're going to do a check, why
[00:20:19] don't you, leaving there, go and inform the prosecutor
[00:20:23] that you know I went to do, that you know I went to do a check
[00:20:27] and he didn't open the door for me, I
[00:20:30] understood that he wasn't there and they didn't open the door for them, not that he was
[00:20:34] there and they didn't open the door for them, that's what I understood.
[00:20:54] You know why I'm telling you this, and I'm telling you with
[00:20:58] my hand on my heart, because besides being a woman who has
[00:21:01] been involved in trade unionism for many years, you are also a doctor. I'm telling
[00:21:05] you this because a big discussion has started right now about how
[00:21:09] all this discussion about controls can be done by essentially
[00:21:13] a trade union this is the discussion not
[00:21:16] a trade union medical association.
[00:21:36] You understand what I'm telling you. So I answer
[00:21:40] you that and I really have no reason to
[00:21:44] hide this from you
[00:21:47] that it doesn't matter what kind of trade unionist
[00:21:50] it is, you should know that he is a doctor and he will not
[00:21:54] cover up anything when it comes to
[00:21:57] a patient, you should know that, okay,
[00:22:00] here we have a death, one more reason, we have
[00:22:04] a death, we shouldn't be talking about death, we're talking about
[00:22:08] cases where they went and didn't find anything and didn't see the
[00:22:11] machines, or now that they went and saw them hidden inside the
[00:22:14] ozone therapy machine in the cupboard, we're talking about these
[00:22:18] cases, not about Mazonakis' death, if that's the case.
[00:22:26] And let me tell you something, we came out and opened the topic and we all
[00:22:30] informed you, doctors, we started talking about what should have happened
[00:22:33] and what shouldn't have happened. You should say
[00:22:36] that a tragic event opened the topic.
[00:22:40] I hear many people saying that we said it in 2019,
[00:22:43] we reported it, let's go to
[00:22:46] Mr. Giannakos because I hear him wanting to intervene for so long. Come, President.
[00:22:50] Look, here, we're talking about two
[00:22:53] quacks from Kolonaki, who, regardless of what they
[00:22:57] studied, whether they had a medical specialty
[00:23:00] or not,
[00:23:03] were promoting paramedical rather than
[00:23:07] medical care,
[00:23:09] that is, they deliberately
[00:23:13] lied to patients in order to
[00:23:15] sell their special
[00:23:19] preparations. which they promoted
[00:23:21] for their own benefit and for profit, that's
[00:23:25] why this mistake happened that you mentioned before, which
[00:23:29] could have been completely deliberate, because a doctor, Mrs. Pagoni
[00:23:33] knows, when talking about cancer, should have requested
[00:23:36] diagnostic tests, CT scans, MRI, the
[00:23:40] conclusion is not drawn and she should have sent her to a gynecologist, how did the
[00:23:43] pathologist doctor conclude
[00:23:47] that she had cancer in her gynecological
[00:23:50] organs. without a gynecological in the first phase, hematological
[00:23:54] and then other more specialized tests and she gave her vitamins
[00:23:57] president so
[00:24:00] she gave her vitamins to get well, what
[00:24:03] happens, we must yes
[00:24:07] this fact worries us and I think
[00:24:09] it worries Mrs. Pagoni and
[00:24:12] everyone. How can we
[00:24:15] prevent such doctors
[00:24:18] from operating in the future?
[00:24:21] who discredit the medical profession and generally
[00:24:24] generally the health professions, how
[00:24:27] can we increase controls and
[00:24:30] we must say the following: in
[00:24:33] 2019
[00:24:36] the health ombudsman was abolished and integrated into the national
[00:24:39] transparency authority. Did this help
[00:24:42] or not? It didn't help, I'll explain why the body
[00:24:46] of inspectors. health and welfare services. At that
[00:24:50] time it had 150 employees, 150
[00:24:54] inspectors, doctors and other
[00:24:57] health professionals who conducted preventive and
[00:25:00] complaint-based inspections and preventive inspections
[00:25:04] when they saw something on the internet.
[00:25:08] When they were integrated into the National Transparency Authority, now only
[00:25:11] 43 are left, 44 for
[00:25:15] Attica and 13 for Thessaloniki, a total of 57.
[00:25:18] Θεσσαλονίκη, σύνολο 57.
[00:25:21] And you know what they do? They go and measure
[00:25:23] tables and chairs, just like they are away from the
[00:25:26] beach.
[00:25:29] Here is the health ombudsman, but there are none, they have been
[00:25:32] integrated, and because they have been
[00:25:34] integrated,
[00:25:36] they now deal with any complaint made to the national
[00:25:40] transparency authority, it's not just for health. So what's the
[00:25:43] result? We have inadequate
[00:25:46] checks, the internet is
[00:25:50] full of such quacks and we can't
[00:25:53] control them, and at the medical associations
[00:25:57] yes, when there was a complaint, the cases
[00:26:00] should have been finalized quickly. I'll tell you about that now, he knows
[00:26:04] it, come, come, because we have to go to the other guests in
[00:26:08] five months this pathologist will be out in 5
[00:26:11] months, he continues to practice, he can practice
[00:26:15] until it is finalized, you say
[00:26:18] until yes, Mr. Vasilopoulos, we have
[00:26:22] heard what you have said about this incident at the clinic of
[00:26:25] Carneadou. Is this the first time something like this has happened or do you
[00:26:29] often encounter such incidents?
[00:26:32] I'm talking like that, not always with
[00:26:33] plasmapheresis. Do
[00:26:37] you hear
[00:26:39] me? Not Mr. Vasilopoulos, Mr.
[00:26:42] Vasilopoulos.
[00:26:46] His return has been canceled, Mr. Mathiopoulos, yes, yes,
[00:26:49] good morning, come, sir, come, I will
[00:26:53] say why at this moment there is a discussion about
[00:26:56] doctors, mainly in the private sector and
[00:26:59] in clinics, because this has happened with
[00:27:02] this particular clinic. We go to many
[00:27:06] private clinics
[00:27:09] where they treat patients very well
[00:27:12] and either accompany us if it's an emergency or have
[00:27:16] treated
[00:27:18] a patient quite well and have given us a transfer note, a
[00:27:22] note that we leave at the hospital's emergency department. So let's not
[00:27:25] blame all doctors because we have
[00:27:29] no intention of doing so. We want to make this clear.
[00:27:33] This is because we, as employees, came out and
[00:27:35] criticized the behavior of the two doctors,
[00:27:39] saying that even though it was about an hour, as proven by
[00:27:42] experts, this is not sorry, you didn't
[00:27:46] criticize them, you said exactly what
[00:27:49] happened, you told them, you told them
[00:27:53] to accompany the person they
[00:27:56] picked up from their clinic, and they refused, they said no, this
[00:28:00] is happening.
[00:28:03] We complained because some people came out and said that we came out and criticized the two
[00:28:06] doctors, we said what happened at that
[00:28:10] moment at the scene, the rescues
[00:28:13] arrived with the equipment. them, they followed all
[00:28:16] the steps that are provided and that we constantly do, we do them
[00:28:20] daily, so it's not the first time we've gone to
[00:28:23] cardiac arrest, many times and these
[00:28:26] colleagues, we have done what we need to
[00:28:30] do and we have revived. Many
[00:28:33] of our fellow human beings or they are in the street, they are in clinics, they are at
[00:28:36] home and this is a great joy for the
[00:28:40] rescuers, when we arrive quickly at a point and
[00:28:43] we can revive someone who is in cardiac arrest, it's the best for
[00:28:47] us, there are of course cases where patients
[00:28:50] don't make it, but if the two
[00:28:54] doctors had followed this whole procedure, because we all know
[00:28:57] now and Ms. Pagoni and everyone who works in public
[00:29:01] hospitals that. there in essence there was, it was a
[00:29:04] small emergency department, so there were doctors, two, there were nurses, so
[00:29:08] they could, if they had the necessary equipment, whatever happened in
[00:29:12] an emergency department hospital, we're not talking about a large one, in a smaller one, they
[00:29:15] themselves could have revived George
[00:29:18] Mazonakis, with all these procedures that the
[00:29:22] protocol must follow, here they had a
[00:29:24] faulty one, exactly, here
[00:29:28] the whole development was wrong, from the beginning,
[00:29:52] the point is that if they had all this necessary equipment there on the spot and
[00:29:55] they did these actions they need to
[00:29:58] do, I give many probabilities that George
[00:30:02] Mazonakis could have recovered, because in essence
[00:30:06] the forensic examination did not show that he had any problem
[00:30:10] with his heart or if they did something else, I'm saying now Mr. Matthopoulos
[00:30:14] if they called the EKAB I'm saying now, faster
[00:30:17] the first moment is you see the patient
[00:30:21] you see that he hasn't moved he has had a cardiac arrest the first
[00:30:24] move is you call EKAB, you immediately
[00:30:27] inform them that there is a person in cardiac arrest and you start
[00:30:30] cardiopulmonary resuscitation. If you do this from the first
[00:30:34] minutes surely
[00:30:37] he can recover and it has happened many times for the patient
[00:30:40] to recover, anyway, in these clinics we saw what was not happening, but
[00:30:44] other things were happening that are extremely interesting,
[00:30:46] is that one such thing did not accompany, wait a minute Mr.
[00:30:50] shamanic medicine, quantum medicine,
[00:30:53] holistic medicine, various kinds of therapies
[00:30:56] that's why we have invited Mr. Nikos Papadimitriou, the general
[00:31:00] secretary of the Union of Greek Physicists. because at some point classical
[00:31:04] medicine ends.