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[00:02:19] Here Vangelis Liakogonas, Eleni Anesiadou, to see the
[00:02:22] rest of the news from the country. Vangelis, let's start, which of course are not pleasant. We
[00:02:26] will take an unpleasant, I will say,
[00:02:30] Egaleo, where the Greek police found a circuit that was
[00:02:33] making, let's see the relevant images
[00:02:36] forging passports, issuing supposedly
[00:02:39] validated visas,
[00:02:43] was located and what did this
[00:02:46] circuit essentially do? It brought illegal immigrants from Iraq and
[00:02:50] Τουρκία στην Ευρώπη, μιλάμε για 8.00€ για κάθε
[00:02:53] person, to make a profit, exactly, and a
[00:02:57] state-of-the-art
[00:03:01] state-of-the-art forgery, we're talking about
[00:03:04] machines required, we're talking about high-tech
[00:03:07] scanners, they had set up a
[00:03:11] see the findings here a lot of money, around
[00:03:14] 900€ να πούμε ενδεικτικά για κάθε έγγραφο έτσι και 8.00€ για
[00:03:18] let's go to Zefyri since we are staying in the
[00:03:22] Western suburbs, and this is connected, it is rather connected, in continuation
[00:03:25] unfortunately, of the issue we saw
[00:03:29] two-year-old with over 7
[00:03:33] that, as you were saying before, end up with young people and
[00:03:36] not only. This person was 29
[00:03:39] years old. We see here what the
[00:03:42] police found in his house, in his residence, and we are talking about
[00:03:46] very large quantities, we are talking about even drugs,
[00:03:50] 6.6 kg specifically, of unknown exact origin,
[00:03:53] meaning it could have been a mixture of drugs. This is another
[00:03:56] case, very
[00:04:00] unpleasant, another success, of course, of the
[00:04:03] specific Greek police. We see here
[00:04:06] precision scales, many kilos of drugs, mainly heroin and cocaine.
[00:04:10] Indeed, Eleni, let's also look at news
[00:04:14] from the region, so let's go to Lamia, where a serious incident
[00:04:18] happened in the early hours of Saturday in Lamia when, under unclear
[00:04:21] circumstances, two vehicles collided, we see one
[00:04:24] literally overturned, this is the relevant image, fortunately
[00:04:28] no one died. A driver, a 21-year-old
[00:04:32] driver was transferred to the general hospital of Lamia, where he is currently
[00:04:35] there and the preliminary investigation has been undertaken by the
[00:04:39] traffic police of Lamia and now let's go, I will change the atmosphere for you, I will
[00:04:43] show you nicer images and let's go then to Rhodes
[00:04:46] slowly, where a cinematic air evacuation
[00:04:50] took place, which was 100 nautical miles
[00:04:54] southeast of Rhodes, we also see relevant images from the
[00:04:57] air force, super job then by the air force. It arrived at the
[00:05:01] spot, safely transferred both the patient and
[00:05:04] the patient's partner
[00:05:07] and was transferred to the general hospital of Rhodes where
[00:05:11] he is currently.
[00:05:19] they
[00:05:22] can do it in the middle of the sea and in very bad weather conditions,
[00:05:25] indeed. So let's go to Crete because Crete
[00:05:29] dressed in white. This particular image is from the
[00:05:33] historic chapel of the Holy Cross which yes, yes, yes, is located at
[00:05:36] an altitude of 235
[00:05:39] meters, so just seeing it now. 100 days until
[00:05:43] days it is, but the temperature right now
[00:05:47] is 14 to 16 degrees in Psiloritis,
[00:05:50] so I don't think we'll have these images for much longer, however,
[00:05:53] impressive images and of course it's also the footprint of the recent bad weather in
[00:05:57] Crete and it's this amazing chapel where every year the
[00:06:00] cross forms stalactites with the power of wind and
[00:06:04] snow, an amazing chapel, the Holy Cross, and finally,
[00:06:08] let's go, George, to your parts, let's go Cyclades and let's go to
[00:06:10] Naxos because...
[00:06:12] The Portara of Naxos, yes, the Portara of Naxos, excuse me,
[00:06:16] was painted pink
[00:06:20] there's the Naxos Run for the Cure 2026,
[00:06:23] a very important initiative
[00:06:26] this specific,
[00:06:30] iconic landmark in Naxos was painted pink. So today
[00:06:33] the event started at 10 o'clock,
[00:06:43] let's go there, good morning Michalis, good morning Mina, good morning
[00:06:47] George from the port of Volos, where in the early hours we had a
[00:06:51] truly shocking incident when a group of
[00:06:54] 21 people attacked
[00:06:58] Mina, a group of 10
[00:07:01] who were in a taxi here in the land area of the
[00:07:05] port of Volos. They beat them up and they have been taken to the
[00:07:08] hospital for first aid. Their health condition is not particularly good.
[00:07:13] In any case, the incident was shocking. According to what we have
[00:07:16] learned so far, the group of 10 which
[00:07:19] mobilized the taxi to exactly this spot where the two
[00:07:23] people from Skopelos were, who were coming here to the port in order
[00:07:26] to leave for the island, had
[00:07:29] quarrelled with the two people in the nightclub where they were.
[00:07:33] So there had been a dispute between the
[00:07:36] involved parties. After the dispute in the bar,
[00:07:39] the two people then left the scene. The
[00:07:43] 10 perpetrators, and when they arrived here, they then
[00:07:46] took the people out of the taxi in the presence of the driver and not
[00:07:49] only that, they beat them severely.
[00:07:52] As for the investigations, they have been undertaken by the port authority because as you understand
[00:07:56] we are in an area under the supervision of the port authority, surveillance
[00:07:59] by the port authority. These are 10 people who for now remain
[00:08:03] unidentified. They are trying to identify them based
[00:08:06] on
[00:08:08] that. Now they won't find them. There are a lot of cameras
[00:08:11] there.
[00:08:14] In any case, an event that has caused concern and the first impression
[00:08:17] I always repeat is that there had been an incident in a
[00:08:21] nightclub they were in. It's unknown what the
[00:08:24] cause was. Afterwards, when the two people from Skopelos left, the
[00:08:28] 10 followed them here to the port, they took them out of the taxi they were in and
[00:08:31] beat them quite severely, so much so that they had to be taken to the
[00:08:35] Volos hospital for first aid. Investigations are in full
[00:08:38] swing to locate the individuals. Thank you very much, Michalis, thank you.
[00:08:57] and his wife and the other nine, he is our accountant, the control room tells us,
[00:09:00] and Philippos Kampouris is giving his testimony right now. It seems he will testify
[00:09:04] last. First everyone else will testify and he
[00:09:07] who is the central figure in the case will testify last. So let's go
[00:09:11] to Lefteris. who has a report and the lawyers have also made statements, come on
[00:09:14] Lefteris,
[00:09:18] at this moment, as you very correctly said, the investigative
[00:09:22] process has begun with the testimony of one of the
[00:09:25] two accountants, so we expect to have
[00:09:28] developments in a very short time and as you very correctly said
[00:09:32] before, that Philippos Kampouris will be the last one to take the stand
[00:09:36] to testify, all his other co-defendants will have
[00:09:39] preceded him, starting with the
[00:09:42] accountants. A little while ago we spoke with
[00:09:45] the lawyers of both the accountants and
[00:09:49] Philippos Kampouris and his wife.
[00:09:53] The lawyer of the accountants told us
[00:09:56] that his clients
[00:09:59] followed to the letter what their employers, their partners
[00:10:03] told them and did what
[00:10:06] the law stipulated. Can we
[00:10:09] hear them, Lefteris?
[00:10:13] Yes, yes, of course, of course, let's go, what I have to tell
[00:10:17] you is what we said from the first moment that we are talking about some
[00:10:20] company debts to the
[00:10:23] insurance bodies in EFKA and some debts to the
[00:10:26] state, there are some
[00:10:30] companies which some of them had
[00:10:33] activities,
[00:10:36] when these companies closed the staff, due to a
[00:10:39] accounting error,
[00:10:42] remained in these companies which were creditors and
[00:10:46] were not operating, which is why this large amount was owed to
[00:10:49] the insurance body, the actual amount
[00:10:53] owed by these companies in which Mr. Kampouris participated in some
[00:10:57] way, which we will refer to during the
[00:11:01] appeal stage, does not exceed 250,000 euros. We are
[00:11:05] not talking about fraud therefore, we are talking about
[00:11:07] debts which were created by
[00:11:10] business activity, which at some point the
[00:11:14] responsible parties or the responsible party will have to be called
[00:11:17] either to settle them, either through an out-of-court settlement, or in any
[00:11:21] case to pay these amounts. Look. we have
[00:11:25] also submitted all the supporting evidence. which
[00:11:28] of course clearly proves that these people acted legally, always
[00:11:32] following instructions and that essentially their role in this particular
[00:11:36] case is purely administrative. In no
[00:11:39] case have they violated the law, in no case have
[00:11:42] they altered data, meaning they have no involvement,
[00:11:46] we are not discussing it, in any criminal organization and of course it is
[00:11:49] we cannot talk about
[00:11:52] fraud against the Greek state, when I receive ready-made installations
[00:11:56] and I upload them either to EFKA or to the tax office or
[00:11:59] to the competent authorities. Beyond that, the auditing mechanisms belong to the
[00:12:02] state. I upload what my client sends, I don't do anything
[00:12:06] different because if they didn't upload what they received,
[00:12:09] then of course they would be accused of other offenses by their client.
[00:12:12] Yes. Now, what Mr.
[00:12:15] Litras said and what the defense lawyer for the accountants said
[00:12:19] opens up a lot of discussion, right? Yes, the financial police estimated the fraud at 1.5 million
[00:12:23] euros, of course, against the state.
[00:12:26] So we understood from what we heard what the
[00:12:29] accused in the case will say to the investigator, more or less, both
[00:12:33] Philippos Kampouris and the accountants. Here we have
[00:12:36] also secured what the what the frontman
[00:12:39] of the case, the so-called frontman, the
[00:12:42] person who had many companies
[00:12:45] "kolotoumpas" (a derogatory term meaning flip-flopper), an exclusive report that we have secured and we saw him
[00:12:49] next to him in his shows and in his shows, I think.
[00:12:53] Of course, and in fact, the police have taken very seriously
[00:12:56] into account and have gathered evidence from these shows as well. Let's see here
[00:13:00] exclusively what the so-called
[00:13:03] "kolotoumpas" claimed. I met Philippos Kampouris
[00:13:06] on one of his shows where I went as a guest, initially in
[00:13:09] 2007-2008 approximately, and then we met again on one of
[00:13:13] his shows in 2010. From approximately 2009 until
[00:13:16] 2013 I was homeless and lived on the street. Then in
[00:13:20] 2014 Philippos contacted me and told me to come
[00:13:23] to his office to talk. In the discussion, he suggested that I help
[00:13:27] him with some companies and sign some papers for them, and he would
[00:13:31] pay my rent so I could live. Since then, I signed whatever
[00:13:34] he asked me to, and he kept his word and paid my rent at first,
[00:13:38] and then he hosted me as a boarder in his father's house, who
[00:13:42] was a jeweler. Many times his wife Anna also gave me the
[00:13:45] papers when he couldn't see me. At first, they had me
[00:13:49] go to the bank to get some cards which I
[00:13:52] handed over to Philippos. Many times he sent me to the KEP (Citizen Service Centers) to get
[00:13:56] authorizations for the people he told me, and I think that some of
[00:14:00] these mentioned these companies you
[00:14:01] told me about. and and you consider that this specific
[00:14:05] person has the most pivotal role among all the
[00:14:09] straw men, at least in the case file, it seems so. So let's
[00:14:12] open our discussion, of course, so let's discuss the matter with
[00:14:16] Ms. Virginia Xanthopoulou, she is a lawyer, she is, let's remind everyone, the
[00:14:20] lawyer of the first woman who realized what
[00:14:23] was happening and consequently brought the case to
[00:14:27] justice, and Mr. Giorgos Tsagkarakis, he is the General
[00:14:29] Secretary of Tax Officers of Attica and of course a member of the
[00:14:33] AADE, the Independent Authority of Public Revenue.
[00:14:36] Mina, so first of all, let's start with Ms. Xanthopoulou. Ms.
[00:14:39] Xanthopoulou, you saw the statements of your colleagues, your colleagues,
[00:14:43] excuse me, of the defense lawyers. You saw what Kolotoumpas says. What is your
[00:14:47] opinion on the case? Kolotoumpas
[00:14:49] is rather the lighter version because the
[00:14:53] man exploited his poverty.
[00:14:55] and his naivety, I guess, from what I understand.
[00:14:59] My feeling from the beginning was that we are dealing with a criminal network, that was
[00:15:03] clear, when my client found out that
[00:15:07] they were charging her, declaring her salaries to AADE
[00:15:09] three times the actual income, what they
[00:15:13] actually received, then we have said many times,
[00:15:16] we discovered that three companies were declaring
[00:15:19] their salaries and three others were actually paying her
[00:15:22] only 600 euros. that she received in total, so in
[00:15:26] my client's case, six
[00:15:29] companies are involved. In five of them, this
[00:15:33] Kolotoumpas is the legal representative, in the sixth one, his wife
[00:15:36] is the legal representative. When
[00:15:39] we saw
[00:15:42] these things, my client immediately sent a complaint
[00:15:45] email. First she complained verbally, but verbal complaints
[00:15:49] don't remain to have evidence now and the others
[00:15:52] other things of course. So we sent an email,
[00:15:56] she sent it to Kampouris's wife because Kampouris referred my client to his
[00:16:00] wife.
[00:16:02] She became furious with this email. She
[00:16:06] called my client and told her, "It's my fault for telling you to talk to the
[00:16:09] bosses instead of the rabble." This
[00:16:13] email was sent by my client
[00:16:16] on 6/6/24.
[00:16:19] On 14/6/24, my client was fired
[00:16:23] because of her complaints. Nicely, Kampouris told her
[00:16:26] that if you want to continue working for me, now
[00:16:30] I can't afford the 600 euros, only 300.
[00:16:33] If you want an eight-hour day, what job did she do? What job
[00:16:36] did she do?
[00:16:38] She was the chief editor of his show "Sti Fora", it was an external production
[00:16:42] which was broadcast on two channels alternately, sometimes he was on good
[00:16:46] terms with one, he was on good terms with the other, at least he gave her a good
[00:16:50] salary, 600 euros, of course. So my
[00:16:54] client's motive for investigating this whole process, we have
[00:16:58] said many times, was the loss of social benefits. She is a
[00:17:02] divorced woman with two minor children and is supported by
[00:17:05] social benefits, 600 euros. was not enough to live on, as we say
[00:17:09] colloquially. So when they
[00:17:13] fired her, my client sent a second email this
[00:17:16] time to Mr. Kampouris and his wife and the
[00:17:20] accountants saying "correct the mistake." Nothing
[00:17:24] happened. On 18/6/24,
[00:17:27] following that, I sent an email as a lawyer
[00:17:30] explaining that we would go to the financial police, we would take
[00:17:34] legal action if they didn't correct it. They did
[00:17:37] nothing. In November 2024, we sent a formal notice to
[00:17:41] Kampouris and the six companies. We found that these six companies
[00:17:44] are ghost companies. None of these
[00:17:47] companies were at their registered address, nor did the
[00:17:51] neighbors know them. We managed to find the
[00:17:54] straw men after a very extensive search by the court
[00:17:57] bailiff, at an address that was not visible
[00:18:01] anywhere, where she confirmed that they were outwardly
[00:18:04] miserable, distressed people I mean. This fraud
[00:18:08] that happens constantly in all such cases, it's always
[00:18:12] miserable, distressed people,
[00:18:15] people who are brutally exploited. So from
[00:18:18] November 2024 we knew that we were dealing with ghost
[00:18:22] companies, it's not an accounting error, as they
[00:18:25] claim now, because we tried many times to correct it
[00:18:29] and if it really was a mistake it would have been corrected, and
[00:18:32] then we made complaints to AADE
[00:18:35] from December 2024,
[00:18:37] and to EFKA, indeed, when these complaints were not
[00:18:41] progressing, we made a complaint to the financial police in
[00:18:44] September 2025. Let's also say that we have filed a labor
[00:18:48] lawsuit against Philippos Kampouris as a natural person, it has been
[00:18:51] ruled that he was her actual employer, he owes her
[00:18:55] salary differences from the 600 euros up to the legal minimum
[00:18:58] wage, a total of 26,000 euros, she has not received
[00:19:02] even 1 euro, and let's also say, since we have a
[00:19:05] representative of AADE here, that for the years
[00:19:09] 2023, 2024, 2025, we file an
[00:19:12] administrative appeal every year, asking for the amount of
[00:19:15] remuneration in code 301 to be corrected, correctly,
[00:19:18] legally that is, if it does not reject them, because only
[00:19:22] the employer can intervene in this code, not the employee,
[00:19:25] okay, let's not go into details, these are
[00:19:28] issues that need to be corrected, because okay, but let's not
[00:19:31] solve it on TV now, this must be understood, right, obviously
[00:19:35] understood, let's also go to...
[00:19:37] Mr. Tsagkarakis, because Mr. Tsagkarakis, you know what strikes me as very
[00:19:41] surprising, that while all this is happening and
[00:19:44] it's been happening since 2021 and Mr. Kampouris and his wife
[00:19:48] declare a few
[00:19:51] thousand euros as their tax return, I don't know,
[00:19:55] no one has suspected anything, I don't know
[00:19:58] what exactly is happening, no one has realized that
[00:20:02] something is not right, how
[00:20:05] does this also happen in
[00:20:08] concerns a fraud against EFKA, meaning people
[00:20:12] were not giving EFKA what they should for the insurance of their
[00:20:16] employees, nor were any alarm bells ringing, there are no
[00:20:19] safeguards in the system anywhere until an employee
[00:20:23] comes forward and risks their neck and reports
[00:20:24] them.
[00:20:27] Yes, good morning Mr. Karamitrou, good morning Mr.
[00:20:30] Grigoriadis, good morning, I think you have done
[00:20:33] amazing reporting, what I will tell you with... as
[00:20:41] we saw, Ms. Xanthopoulou essentially did the job of AADE,
[00:20:44] exactly, so perfectly
[00:20:47] exactly, so you understand then
[00:20:50] that we are dealing with a tax
[00:20:53] administration that perceives
[00:20:57] society as two different worlds, one world is my
[00:21:00] data and electronic transactions in which we
[00:21:04] all get caught, we small intermediaries etc. There is a huge
[00:21:08] world and here Kampouris's case is just a drop in the ocean, so
[00:21:12] essentially the amounts that are being cut are insignificant compared to the
[00:21:15] billions that these frauds
[00:21:18] manage, so we have another world where we deal with
[00:21:22] such companies that operate exactly with what you described, meaning
[00:21:25] that they end up with a straw man who obviously
[00:21:28] has nothing to pay so
[00:21:31] we should also be concerned by the fact that
[00:21:35] right now we are discussing something because a
[00:21:38] person, a working woman with
[00:21:40] very little money, had the courage and the
[00:21:44] strength. Imagine how much money this woman earns to be able to
[00:21:48] pay a lawyer to enter
[00:22:00] This explains everything, most people give up, it's impossible for a person who
[00:22:03] earns 600 euros to cope with such
[00:22:07] a system, the fees alone that
[00:22:10] are needed.
[00:22:12] Exactly, exactly. Let's say that this girl was borrowing money for the
[00:22:16] fees because.
[00:22:22] Mr. Tsagkarakis, however, all this you describe in a denunciatory, I understand,
[00:22:26] union-like way is something that
[00:22:28] you tax officials should have found a solution for
[00:22:32] from your side. That is, because in parallel we hear that another
[00:22:36] parallel investigation for fraud against the public sector could be launched, which amounts to
[00:22:40] 5.5 million euros, the total
[00:22:43] total monetary amount of the
[00:22:46] fraud. So you are telling us and you are saying it.
[00:22:55] case, there are many cases, sorry, let's go
[00:22:59] let's go then to the institutional framework and what we do
[00:23:03] so as a federation, we
[00:23:06] have approached the
[00:23:09] issue, there is a congress decision in which
[00:23:12] we ask AADE and we also have a ready
[00:23:16] legislative provision in which to...
[00:23:21] imagine that in Mr. Kampouris's case, the accountants involved, Mr.
[00:23:24] Kampouris, the straw man, the "Kolotoumpas" as you say, when
[00:23:27] this story is over, so
[00:23:31] even if they are all convicted, they will be able to
[00:23:35] continue operating with a sole proprietorship, meaning the
[00:23:37] continuity is not deactivated. So we have
[00:23:40] already denounced this and there is no response. Let me tell you that
[00:23:44] for all these cases of high tax evasion
[00:23:47] which is part of KEMF, which is a
[00:23:50] large wealth service, 130 positions were recently
[00:23:54] abolished, meaning it's also a matter, it's
[00:23:57] a matter of political will if they want people to deal with this
[00:24:01] direction, you understand? So it's not that for all these issues
[00:24:05] there aren't and I'm telling you it's a drop in
[00:24:08] the ocean, let me tell you two words about this, because right now
[00:24:12] there are huge businesses which
[00:24:16] either we don't know who they are
[00:24:20] operating, or they are operating and issuing all the documents and in the end they don't
[00:24:23] pay, I'm sure you have
[00:24:26] publications, or there are those
[00:24:29] who ultimately manage the final amounts are fans abroad without
[00:24:33] a legal entity, which they either transfer with
[00:24:36] multinationals, transfer their tax to abroad. We are talking about many
[00:24:40] tens of billions which
[00:25:06] now, with which I am dizzy.
[00:25:09] 500,000 euros, 350,000 euros,
[00:25:12] 1.5 million, I wanted, 800,000 euros for the
[00:25:15] license, from here the loans, from there
[00:25:20] rights. the fees. From here what thousands of euros are these,
[00:25:22] I'm dizzy George, and among all these, the topic of intellectual
[00:25:26] So, who do we have with us in the studio today, Mr.
[00:25:30] Spyros Dimitriou, the lawyer, welcome. I found you, good morning.
[00:25:33] But we have the honor and
[00:26:09] start, to tell you the truth, Mr. Nikolopoulos, because
[00:26:12] you have experienced this firsthand, that is, the question
[00:26:16] whose song is it, my friend? You have experienced it
[00:26:19] firsthand. We have experienced it in the past. We
[00:26:23] have experienced it professionally, the older ones, to tell you the truth.
[00:26:27] We were there in the courtrooms.
[00:26:29] So, yes, whose are the songs,
[00:26:33] Mr. Nikolopoulos? Can you tell us? Uh, the
[00:26:37] songs belong to those who create them,
[00:26:40] right? Uh, the lawyer who hears them, I imagine, knows
[00:26:43] them better, to the creator, that is, to the
[00:26:46] composer and lyricist,
[00:26:50] exclusively. The other
[00:26:53] rights of the singers are related
[00:26:56] rights, uh, which only concern
[00:27:00] financial matters and...
[00:27:02] issues of moral right, that is, if someone takes
[00:27:06] their voice and puts it somewhere they don't want, they react, they have the moral
[00:27:10] right to react, I mean the performer,
[00:27:13] but the songs are exclusively the creators',
[00:27:17] right? So, you and
[00:27:20] in fact, would you ever ask for anything
[00:27:23] more for your songs or would
[00:27:26] you always ask for the legal ones? Look, I am a bit
[00:27:30] different, uh... I think from others, I am, I don't
[00:27:34] I never talk about
[00:27:37] without rare cases, I talk about even about my legal
[00:27:41] fees. Uh, there are, however,
[00:27:44] cases where some people ask for a higher
[00:27:47] fee because the fee that the collective
[00:27:51] organization they belong to collects
[00:27:54] does not satisfy them and because their songs play a big
[00:27:57] role in some big singers earning high wages
[00:28:01] and some, for example. They react in this
[00:28:04] way. I have never done it nor will I, because it is not in my
[00:28:08] nature. I am content with what the creator's right gives me. You are also president, Mr.
[00:28:11] Nikolopoulos is also president, right? In the
[00:28:15] specific management organization. Uh, Mr. Nikolopoulos,
[00:28:18] I want to ask you something from the other side now, to play devil's advocate a bit, if you
[00:28:21] allow me. We citizens or fans of one
[00:28:25] singer or another singer, we say that, my friend, this
[00:28:28] singer made the song famous, made the song what it is
[00:28:32] today. Uh and some comment and
[00:28:35] say that the singer should also
[00:28:38] in any case be able to sing the songs he sings on
[00:28:42] records in clubs for 40 years, let's say. What do you say about
[00:28:45] that?
[00:28:47] Well, ethically he has that right, but it's not exactly as you say it.
[00:28:51] Explain it to us. Yes, I'm telling you what people say, right? I'm not saying I
[00:28:54] agree with it. Yes, let's say I'll tell you one of my own songs, for example,
[00:28:58] now, and you'll tell me which singer it is, you don't even
[00:29:01] know him. In the Angels' bouzoukia
[00:29:05] which singer sings? Do you know Dimitriadis? Uh, you're
[00:29:09] right. No one
[00:29:12] knew that child. This
[00:29:14] is he who is very talented,
[00:29:17] very talented, very talented, and
[00:29:20] yet he emerged through this song.
[00:29:23] Therefore, correctly, therefore, singers don't always promote
[00:29:27] a song. If it has the
[00:29:29] elements to be a success and people love it. It becomes
[00:29:33] a success, it doesn't always play, many times the
[00:29:36] singer also plays a role, of course, yes, but the other, let's say, "I Exist"
[00:29:39] as Kazantzidis said it was something that
[00:29:42] I think has remained in all of Greece, no one else would have said it like
[00:29:46] Kazantzidis said it, oh dear, now we are not talking
[00:29:50] about a giant, that is, yes, yes, this
[00:29:53] is a giant. So, so we want to say that, you know,
[00:29:57] sometimes it's the lyricist, the composer, sometimes it's also the singer,
[00:30:00] of course, of course.
[00:30:05] Mr. Nikolopoulos, all this atmosphere that
[00:30:08] exists, thousands of euros,
[00:30:12] millions, so much, 800,000, 1.5
[00:30:15] million he asks, this, this little bit,
[00:30:19] how does it seem to you in a society
[00:30:22] that has issues, has problems, has, do you
[00:30:25] like it, what impression does it give you?
[00:30:29] Look, these are individual agreements, I think.
[00:30:32] Are they agreements? But when such a
[00:30:35] discussion suddenly comes to the
[00:30:38] surface, what
[00:30:42] impression does it give you? What
[00:30:45] can I tell you? Here everyone
[00:30:47] manages their rights as