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[00:00:00] maneuvering, but there is also
[00:00:03] reality, which is often difficult, quite
[00:00:07] difficult and quite fluid in the phase we are in. You see the 150
[00:00:10] you mentioned, you see the 1.50 until Friday I
[00:00:14] was watching it, now this weekend I will wait to see tomorrow
[00:00:18] the opening of the markets. We don't know where the markets will open tomorrow,
[00:00:22] yes, we are going for higher data.
[00:00:25] Also, there is something else I am thinking about now, if in
[00:00:28] one weekend we had so many upheavals, there is
[00:00:32] always the unstable factor that the
[00:00:35] price of oil could open at a certain
[00:00:39] price, that the government's measures
[00:00:41] could start with a certain subsidy and then this
[00:00:45] thing has to change radically within 15
[00:00:48] days. You are right,
[00:00:52] this is the fluidity you are describing exactly, that something
[00:00:56] will be announced. Look, the diesel subsidy is 5
[00:00:59] cents, which were included in the last version of the
[00:01:02] subsidies and it became 15 government and 5 cents
[00:01:06] for the diesel stations. They appeared and they appeared because
[00:01:09] the market also helped, meaning international prices for refined fuel
[00:01:13] had fallen, with the result that we saw central gas stations below
[00:01:16] 1.10, the average price fell to 1.15.
[00:01:20] This was a small relief for the
[00:01:23] fuel which mainly drives our economy. Unleaded
[00:01:27] did not show this, unleaded prices continue to skyrocket. At
[00:01:30] 1.23, 1.24, it is quite problematic,
[00:01:34] look, I repeat, it is not at all
[00:01:37] an easy equation, all this we are describing and of course this
[00:01:41] week we will see what happens at the summit, 15-16,
[00:01:44] on Friday there is a summit where there is the issue of the Greek
[00:01:48] and Italian request to pass the revenues from
[00:01:52] VAT, the surplus revenues from VAT, to pass
[00:01:55] directly to subsidies at the
[00:01:58] pump. Nikos. Crucial last question, if
[00:02:01] you know, is there any chance that this
[00:02:04] 5% inflation that we saw will
[00:02:08] affect the budget at all?
[00:02:11] Is there any such thought or not at all the basket of
[00:02:15] the report, anything from what the government wanted to
[00:02:18] give? At this moment, fiscally,
[00:02:22] no, it does not affect it. The 5% affects
[00:02:26] it, it is in the scenario with oil at around 92%.
[00:02:30] the barrel for 2026 and
[00:02:32] a little below $80 for 2027.
[00:02:36] This is the scenario on which the growth rate is based, on which
[00:02:40] revenues depend, therefore also fiscal matters. There is
[00:02:42] such a margin, we would say, so that
[00:02:46] primary surpluses and surpluses of surpluses are achieved
[00:02:50] and this is covered. The big problem right now is not that
[00:02:53] we don't have money, the problem right now is that we have fiscal rules
[00:02:57] due to our high debt that put us.
[00:03:11] So, you already see many guests we have to discuss
[00:03:15] the topic. Nikos Papageorgiou, President of Attica Gas Station Owners, Vangelis
[00:03:18] Grozidis is a resident of Idomeni, there you will see the report
[00:03:22] about what the residents do to secure cheaper
[00:03:25] fuel. Christos Stratoulakos live in Patras where they have.
[00:03:39] Let's start, Mrs. Karamitrou, of course. Shall we go to the president? Do you want to
[00:03:42] start with the president? Did you hear, Mr.
[00:03:44] Papageorgiou, everything here is now fluid. What
[00:03:48] will happen? I mean, the government still doesn't know. In
[00:03:51] one weekend, it had calculated differently on Friday. All that
[00:03:55] happened over the weekend, it is still unknown what
[00:03:58] will happen. Yes. So I imagine
[00:04:02] in older years you had started and had
[00:04:05] pre-orders.
[00:04:09] That's right, happy Sunday, good morning. That's right, and I
[00:04:13] agree with Mr. Filippidis on the analysis he made
[00:04:15] earlier. On Friday night, and it's no coincidence it
[00:04:19] happened on Friday night, when the stock markets
[00:04:22] closed, they will reopen today Sunday to
[00:04:25] Monday morning to see what the market's reaction
[00:04:28] will be. The agreement between President Putin and President
[00:04:32] Trump, I believe, will not affect it too
[00:04:36] much downwards, meaning we see a
[00:04:39] decrease reaching up to $95 for Brent
[00:04:43] oil, which means for the Greek market by the end of the week we will
[00:04:47] see reductions, especially in gasoline which has remained fixed at
[00:04:50] 220 . Correspondingly, diesel,
[00:04:54] as Mr. Filippidis and you rightly said, since early
[00:04:57] October, with the five cents government
[00:05:00] subsidy and another 5 cents reduction in price,
[00:05:04] we are 10 cents lower than early October.
[00:05:08] I believe that gasoline will also, if the good
[00:05:11] information succeeds, meaning if the market evaluates it positively,
[00:05:15] we will see gasoline also decrease to about 210, far from what
[00:05:19] the market and the consumer are looking for. Indeed,
[00:05:23] indeed, okay, 10 cents, but to say that in the current
[00:05:25] conjuncture
[00:05:28] with the geopolitical developments, things are somewhat good.
[00:05:32] We should be below 2 euros. Similarly, heating oil which is coming in the
[00:05:36] next few days, within the week, should
[00:05:39] be priced below 1.50 for...
[00:05:42] for some of our fellow citizens, not all of them, and especially those who are
[00:05:46] subsidized for heating oil, meaning
[00:05:50] financially weaker, they
[00:05:52] will not be able to procure heating oil at these prices, because the
[00:05:56] ratio, if one thinks that once 100 liters cost
[00:05:59] 1,100€, now 100 liters would
[00:06:02] start without any intervention at 1,900 and
[00:06:06] with the government's intervention, if it opens at
[00:06:08] 1,600€ for 100 liters, we should cross ourselves, that's it.
[00:06:13] And we are always talking about Attica,
[00:06:17] we are talking about Attica, because consider the other
[00:06:20] regions, islands and mountainous areas of the
[00:06:23] country, where heating oil is essentially needed. In
[00:06:26] Athens and Heraklion, Crete, today we have 20°, 22,
[00:06:30] 24, heating oil is not needed and it won't be needed until the end
[00:06:34] of November. The problem is the countryside and
[00:06:38] in fact, I am here today, not at the fuel station, as
[00:06:41] usual. We have the general assembly of the Panhellenic Federation of Gas Station
[00:06:44] Traders, all the associations of the country are here today
[00:06:48] at the headquarters of the Piraeus Chamber of Crafts,
[00:06:52] where we will discuss the developments.
[00:06:55] Proposals will be submitted and what worries all of us is
[00:06:59] how island regions and remote mountainous
[00:07:02] areas will manage, meaning the associations from these areas that objectively have
[00:07:05] a problem, that objectively if heating oil is
[00:07:09] not supported, unfortunately they will be forced to.
[00:07:14] Because we need to let the other guests speak. Let's go to our guests. Let's go
[00:07:18] first to Mr. Grozidis. He is a resident of Idomeni. What exactly do you
[00:07:21] do there with fuel? Do you go and fill up your tank
[00:07:25] from neighboring Bulgaria and what will you do with heating oil? It's interesting.
[00:07:28] It's an
[00:07:34] half a minute. Good morning. Good morning. Ring
[00:07:37] road.
[00:07:39] We are on the ring road that leads into Skopje.
[00:07:44] These things don't affect us, nor the locals here,
[00:07:48] nor people who live 200 km away, 250
[00:07:52] km, because everyone goes there and fills up both gasoline and
[00:07:55] diesel.
[00:08:00] Super gasoline costs
[00:08:02] 162.64
[00:08:05] and diesel costs 1.64. Super
[00:08:08] gasoline and diesel costs 1.62.
[00:08:12] And 1.62 actually, I don't even remember how much it
[00:08:16] was, 1.64 for gasoline. I, do you remember how much it was?
[00:08:20] 1.64 for gasoline, it must have been before I don't even remember
[00:08:23] how many years ago. So you all go, even up to
[00:08:27] 250 km from the border, you go and get gasoline in the
[00:08:31] neighboring countries. Look at the camera, yes, yes, yes,
[00:08:34] yes, into Skopje. Here,
[00:08:38] what was I going to say, and it's not just
[00:08:41] gasoline. There are other things they do,
[00:08:45] they go eat, it's cheaper and supermarkets and
[00:08:48] everything, so their teeth go to supermarkets, their
[00:08:52] teeth go, they do, they don't have time at how many kilometers is it?
[00:08:55] I mean, at how many kilometers is it? We are here now
[00:08:59] we are
[00:09:01] from here it's about 3 km, 4
[00:09:04] km.
[00:09:07] We are very close, you can't put heating oil
[00:09:11] from the neighboring country. So
[00:09:14] there yes, yes, you will bring it with jerry cans, anyway,
[00:09:18] thank you, thank you very much. If we were talking in the
[00:09:21] afternoon, if we were talking in the afternoon,
[00:09:25] I would tell you the road would be full of cars going to
[00:09:29] fill up, everyone will be going for gasoline now in a little while, yes,
[00:09:32] indeed, to fill up, yes, yes.
[00:09:35] So let's go to the fishermen because today they have
[00:09:38] a mobilization in Patras.
[00:09:41] We can connect.
[00:09:45] Good morning, good morning from Patras. Indeed, the
[00:09:49] mobilizations here by the fishermen of Patras continue at the pier which
[00:09:52] is blocked. Let's give the floor directly to the Vice President, Mr.
[00:09:55] Vescoutis. You heard a basic issue that
[00:09:59] concerns you too, and we were talking about it earlier, is fuel. You also hear that
[00:10:03] there don't seem to be any reductions in the near future. What's happening with
[00:10:05] you? Uh, what I understand is that from 2010
[00:10:09] until today, from 2010 until today, all governments are passing the
[00:10:13] buck to the consumer. Uh, we hear now about
[00:10:17] Bulgaria, which the government spokesperson periodically
[00:10:20] says that we are in a much better position than Bulgaria and it has
[00:10:24] fuel. Which is 60, 70, 80 cents, I don't even know how much
[00:10:28] lower than us. Uh, finally, in this
[00:10:31] country, will any ruling power take the
[00:10:34] responsibility
[00:10:36] to do something for these people? How much do they pay for fuel? It
[00:10:40] depends on the boat, it depends on what tanks
[00:10:43] we have, it depends on how many the fuel truck
[00:10:46] will bring. It can be from 1.30 to 1.50,
[00:10:49] 1.60, depending. You say the price is prohibitive for you to go out, yes,
[00:10:53] prohibitive, first of all it is also very
[00:10:58] expensive. We don't have the ability to buy such quantities of what we call black diesel,
[00:11:01] which is shipping fuel.
[00:11:04] Plus, there are also colleagues who
[00:11:08] work with gasoline, not with diesel, so even more expensive.
[00:11:11] So now I go out, personally, I go out with gasoline
[00:11:14] at 2.20, 2.15. And what will
[00:11:17] they do now, Christos? Will you continue your
[00:11:21] mobilizations? You hear me. Will you continue?
[00:11:26] We will continue until you continue. We
[00:11:29] will continue because we are, Mrs. Karamitrou, we are
[00:11:31] desperate and in desperation, people do
[00:11:35] many bad things. Now, how we will proceed and what
[00:11:39] we will do, we will discuss it with the other associations
[00:11:42] throughout Greece because this is
[00:11:46] the, this is the main statement, that there are one
[00:11:50] or two things you are asking for in order to return to your work. What are they?
[00:11:53] Look, at the
[00:11:57] main thing is the fuel, but also the
[00:12:01] subsidies that have eaten us up for the mammals that are
[00:12:04] protected. Here the Patraikos Gulf is full of
[00:12:07] dolphins, we throw new nets today and tomorrow they are torn
[00:12:10] to shreds. We can't even go out to work. So, plus the
[00:12:14] misfortunes. Winter is coming now, they have already started the misfortunes.
[00:12:18] Plus the very adverse conditions of the old fleet we have, plus the
[00:12:21] bill they passed last week, the
[00:12:24] monstrosity. This bill they passed that wants to put a general
[00:12:27] tombstone on the fishing industry. Here
[00:12:30] they wanted to make us from fishermen to make us accountants, to make us
[00:12:33] programmers, computer geeks, to make us 1.2 besides
[00:12:37] fishermen. Indeed, this story,
[00:12:40] these ruling gentlemen, let's take them on a boat for a day to
[00:12:44] build character. Indeed, so thank you very much,
[00:12:47] your demands were heard, they were heard clearly. Stay well, good
[00:12:51] strength, good courage in your work. Let's go to Ormenio. There, as
[00:12:55] we understand and see from the image, they have already lit their
[00:12:58] wood stoves this month. How much is it today? How many
[00:13:01] degrees? It's 27 in Ormenio today. You are lucky today
[00:13:05] there in Ormenio. Good morning. Today you won't light the
[00:13:09] stove. Good morning from
[00:13:13] Ormenio and good morning to your viewers.
[00:13:16] Today, okay, and this weather we have a little good
[00:13:19] temperature fortunately, but from tomorrow
[00:13:22] and the day after tomorrow the weather will worsen and obviously it will start, yes. The stove will be
[00:13:25] permanent now.
[00:13:28] The situation starts difficult. We hear the prices for heating
[00:13:32] oil and for
[00:13:35] wood, but also the other fuels that are for heating
[00:13:39] homes. Uh, no matter how much subsidy
[00:13:43] they give, even the 1.5 is tragic for pensioners, because usually here now
[00:13:47] in the villages, those who need oil are those who cannot
[00:13:50] burn wood stoves because it also has a difficulty, it needs
[00:13:54] to... grandfathers and grandmothers and usually
[00:13:57] oil, it's even worse for them. I don't know how they will manage
[00:14:01] this year with such prices. I also heard the colleague from the
[00:14:05] primary sector, the
[00:14:08] fishermen earlier, and we as farmers here suffer with
[00:14:11] oil, because without oil, neither we nor they can
[00:14:15] work, and with such prohibitive prices. Plus, here
[00:14:18] for two years with everything that's happening in the primary sector, we have lost
[00:14:22] our way, both us and everyone, and we are dealing with
[00:14:26] doing the accounting papers, as the colleague said,
[00:14:28] uh, going to notaries, cadastral records,
[00:14:32] stories like that, and we can only go to the field and our work. We don't
[00:14:36] know where all this will end up, we also hear some
[00:14:39] ideas that we will have GPS and they will measure working
[00:14:42] hours, when we will go to the field, as if all the other
[00:14:46] hours, for example, are only when we are in the field, but it's not work. I
[00:14:50] don't know how they think all this and in Armeni it won't open
[00:14:53] with...
[00:14:59] Here, due to the distance and transport costs,
[00:15:01] we also have an extra charge of about 8 to
[00:15:05] 10 cents. Usually we are a little
[00:15:08] higher than the average, let's say. And
[00:15:12] so thank you very much. It happened, stay
[00:15:15] well, stay well, thank you, thank you to all our guests, stay well. A
[00:15:19] huge issue that we will see of course this week and next week. I am very curious to
[00:15:23] see how. When the government's measures will also be announced, we will
[00:15:27] host all of them to see their reactions, of course, if these
[00:15:30] measures are measures that will help people
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