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[00:02:50] Here with us is Konstantinos Filis, good morning Mr. Filis, welcome.
[00:02:52] General Yiannis is with us, honorary Chief of Staff,
[00:02:56] good morning, General, good week, Manolis always stays close.
[00:03:55] report,
[00:03:57] the Turks in the last few days have been using the
[00:04:01] terminology coordination and
[00:04:03] consultation with the flag state, indeed.
[00:04:06] We are going to cable this to Mr.
[00:04:10] Filis. Indeed, it's a matter of time now
[00:04:13] for the work to be done. Konstantine, what do you say? Technically
[00:04:17] we are ready, yes, because a procedure had
[00:04:21] to precede, which is not easy, to say in relation to something that
[00:04:25] Manolis mentioned earlier in the
[00:04:28] various scenarios. that at this moment we
[00:04:31] are talking about, a scenario of flag change does
[00:04:35] not exist, so we are talking about a French ship, we are talking about France,
[00:04:38] we are talking about a French ship at this moment we are talking about, but I also hear
[00:04:42] Manolis's report, because we know that it is always valid, I am just saying that today
[00:04:46] as we speak there is no such intention, the ship will be normally French that will
[00:04:50] be launched, the flag French, the
[00:04:53] crew also will I don't know if it will be accompanied by
[00:04:56] one, I didn't say that but it can arrive if there are.
[00:05:12] As we speak today, the case of changing the ship's flag does
[00:05:16] not exist. Now, beyond that, we have entered a final stretch.
[00:05:19] The final stretch could be a few
[00:05:23] weeks, it could be a month, no one knows. This is also a process
[00:05:27] that needs to be followed by the company
[00:05:30] and by the French government. I understand that
[00:05:34] France is the one that
[00:05:37] will request the permit, but the company is the one that
[00:05:41] might... make the famous communiqué, the information
[00:05:44] to all directions. There,
[00:05:48] everyone gives their own interpretation as they see fit and as it
[00:05:51] benefits them. Turkey can say that the communiqué, the
[00:05:54] information, is not enough for me, or it can say,
[00:05:58] I am being informed as a coastal state and I am issuing
[00:06:01] Navtex, where Greece will be obliged to issue an anti-Navtex. It is a
[00:06:05] process that could be
[00:06:07] followed where all parties would be roughly
[00:06:11] satisfied. My assessment is that one way or
[00:06:14] another, the formula will be found, and what I can
[00:06:18] tell you is that even if Turkey remains dissatisfied, the cable will
[00:06:22] proceed, it cannot not proceed, and let me say something else,
[00:06:25] why do you say that so categorically? I say that categorically for two reasons:
[00:06:29] first, because both the Greek and French sides are determined to
[00:06:32] proceed. Second, and most importantly, I want us to understand and
[00:06:36] to say it one more time to our viewers, it is an issue, I won't
[00:06:39] say exactly about a shadow of an ass, but you know. If we reach the
[00:06:43] point of being in a confrontation, let's leave aside NATO
[00:06:47] allies, these are theoretical schemes, in practice they don't apply,
[00:06:50] for not even the laying of the cable at this stage, but for
[00:06:53] bathymetric surveys in an area that is, in a large part, delimited,
[00:06:57] because in another part it is delimited with the
[00:07:00] Greek-Egyptian agreement and according to Turkey with the Turkish-Libyan
[00:07:04] memorandum. So, to reach this point, something is not going
[00:07:08] well, because there are seven cables that pass today
[00:07:11] through the area. Not just cables, there are
[00:07:14] telecommunications cables, mostly, and nothing has happened. There are
[00:07:17] hundreds of cables, you'll tell me that in oceans it works differently,
[00:07:21] the law of the sea works differently, but also in oceans where cables have been laid,
[00:07:25] it's not necessary for them to
[00:07:28] pass through delimited areas.
[00:07:32] Obviously, and Turkey is doing it, Dimitris and Yianni
[00:07:35] and Manolis, for a very specific reason, because
[00:07:39] it wants to be preeminent itself.
[00:07:51] The permission from me, and for this, for which no permission is even required, no, how can I say it,
[00:07:55] I can't define it
[00:07:58] differently, then a role and a position in the
[00:08:01] region are recognized for me, a role and a position
[00:08:05] in the region that comes to crown the perception, the
[00:08:08] doctrine of the Blue Homeland, and pay attention to the doctrine of the Blue Homeland.
[00:08:13] Because I was in Turkey in the previous days and had some serious
[00:08:17] discussions, it has now been included in school textbooks, yes, of course,
[00:08:20] meaning it is in school textbooks, children in
[00:08:24] Turkey who at some point will become diplomats, others
[00:08:27] will be businessmen, some will be journalists, politicians and so on,
[00:08:31] learn, adopt the
[00:08:33] perception of this doctrine, it is no longer something
[00:08:36] theoretical, it is a scheme that has entered the hearts and
[00:08:40] minds of the general, what do you want to say?
[00:08:44] I wanted to say that the essence of the problem is this
[00:08:48] suspicion that exists, which Mr. Filis expressed and he is
[00:08:51] right. On the Turkish side, what we have heard and they
[00:08:55] tell us is that maybe the Greeks don't want to just lay the cable,
[00:08:59] they want to challenge our positions
[00:09:01] and impose their own positions, so the essence of the problem is not the
[00:09:05] cable, it is the positions of the two countries where one does not
[00:09:09] trust the other and doubts its positions,
[00:09:12] I think. There lies the whole secret, and let me say before the general that
[00:09:15] the laying of the cable, rather the surveys, the bathymetric ones, are about to begin,
[00:09:19] they do not affect the continental shelf in any way,
[00:09:22] indeed, indeed, come general, I would like to ask a
[00:09:25] question, if it can be answered, who
[00:09:29] in the Turkish government is the official body
[00:09:32] for managing international
[00:09:33] law?
[00:09:38] The Minister of Foreign Affairs, the Minister
[00:09:40] of Foreign Affairs, but we constantly hear all the announcements
[00:09:44] for cooperation for permits come from the Ministry of Defense. From
[00:09:48] where does the Ministry of Defense get the authority and demands
[00:09:52] all these things and makes announcements? This is a
[00:09:54] question. It's a question, you are right about that, because the Ministry of Foreign Affairs talks about
[00:09:58] coordination and consultation, the Ministry of
[00:10:02] Defense talks about permission, there is a differentiation there, the Ministry of
[00:10:05] Defense responds in the event that
[00:10:08] it proceeds with the
[00:10:11] start of the surveys, and
[00:10:14] there it wants to get involved, meaning, as
[00:10:18] there was an involvement a few years ago off the coast of Kasos,
[00:10:21] we will see, but we are not at that stage, you asked me.
[00:10:25] So from Turkey we hear multiple languages, some from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, others
[00:10:29] from the Ministry of Defense, and in the end Erdogan comes
[00:10:32] in, their role now and there it's not yes they play roles, the
[00:10:36] good guy and the bad guy in this whole process and
[00:10:40] this is what they want to create, as Mr. Filis said, they want to create a
[00:10:43] precedent that we are a hegemonic power for
[00:10:47] anything and even for the slightest thing for which freedom of
[00:10:50] the seas and all the related things that exist are not required, let's not
[00:10:54] analyze them. All this, we want to have
[00:10:57] a say. This is not something new, so, to keep it in
[00:11:00] mind. For 10 years Erdogan and the previous
[00:11:04] Foreign Minister, Cavusoglu, used to say that nothing can
[00:11:07] be done in the Eastern Mediterranean without getting permission, without
[00:11:11] getting the approval and permission of Turkey. So what is Turkey
[00:11:15] trying to do through all this? To establish a
[00:11:18] policy, to create faits accomplis, as it is attempting
[00:11:22] to create faits accomplis now in Cyprus. What does it
[00:11:25] do when it wants to build the natural gas pipeline? It goes to the
[00:11:29] eastern part of the
[00:11:31] Cypriot Republic
[00:11:34] against the Greek Cypriot, let's say
[00:11:37] in quotes, part where it also has claims and projects
[00:11:41] them to the southern part, south of Cyprus, and says, I will conduct
[00:11:45] surveys here because it is my EEZ and I have signed with the, in
[00:11:48] quotes, Turkish Cypriot Republic,
[00:11:52] what it calls the Northern Cyprus, what we call the... So,
[00:11:56] what is Turkey doing? It has a policy
[00:11:59] of creating faits accomplis. Here, then,
[00:12:02] there must be a reaction in the
[00:12:05] sense that we must be ready for anything that happens.
[00:12:09] What happened in 2024 in Kasos? We were
[00:12:13] unprepared, indeed, we were caught off guard as to
[00:12:16] what we should do. There were many options, from
[00:12:20] sending ships and planes to many others. Do you believe we can reach
[00:12:24] the same point again? Of course, we can at any moment. That is, if the Turks
[00:12:27] show up with five ships in Kasos again, what will we do? Will we
[00:12:31] just watch them? I thought we couldn't just watch them
[00:12:34] anymore, because here broader issues of
[00:12:37] the country's credibility are at stake, but also the freedom of
[00:12:41] applying international law. We showed an image before, Manolis
[00:12:44] that is, a photograph from a meeting of Greeks and Turks in
[00:12:48] Crete for confidence-building measures. Perhaps now
[00:12:51] we will resolve things in a different way, so we don't reach
[00:12:55] what you are saying. I agree, I am not saying that we should go there,
[00:12:59] I am saying if the Turks arrive, because as you know, the initiative is with the Turks,
[00:13:03] we didn't send ships, we didn't send warships, we didn't send
[00:13:06] planes. If they show up again with ships and planes, we cannot
[00:13:09] remain inactive, we cannot remain
[00:13:12] again in the savoir-vivre of international
[00:13:16] law, and most importantly, we must understand that
[00:13:20] Turkey perceives in the general
[00:13:23] field of
[00:13:27] relations, the role of power, diplomatic and
[00:13:30] political discourse has no place in Turkey. Turkey
[00:13:34] supports its diplomatic and political
[00:13:37] aspirations simultaneously
[00:13:50] around Kasos, the surveys have been completed, so they are about to
[00:13:54] begin
[00:13:59] towards Cyprus. That's one thing. The second is that it's not easy for
[00:14:03] a country to support, Turkey might not
[00:14:06] care, I'll accept that, to support
[00:14:09] internationally that it is impeding
[00:14:12] seabed surveys in an area that is
[00:14:15] undemarcated. Yes, let's keep that in
[00:14:18] mind too. Thirdly, because the issue has received a lot of publicity,
[00:14:22] we understand that both sides find it difficult
[00:14:30] to take actions that could bring the agreement closer, right? And I want to ask Manolis, Manolis,
[00:14:33] regarding the bill, because we heard that it would come to Parliament
[00:14:37] in early October, I am referring to the Blue
[00:14:40] Homeland bill in the Turkish National Assembly, do you have any idea when
[00:14:44] this will finally happen? Because we had given the information here a
[00:14:48] long time ago that even if it came in October, the
[00:14:52] Turks might delay it.
[00:14:55] and postpone its completion and voting for early
[00:14:58] 2027. Do you have any information about this? So
[00:15:02] far, the bill has not appeared in parliament,
[00:15:05] that's what we know. So,
[00:15:08] we are proceeding, days are passing, that's what we would say. Beyond that, when
[00:15:12] it can be implemented and voted on, we don't know,
[00:15:15] because the procedures take time for the committees, but as
[00:15:19] you know, in Turkey, a
[00:15:21] committee can convene with an order in one.
[00:15:37] the price of oil and gasoline, wait, let me catch up, what's happening here? We said yesterday on the news with
[00:15:40] Christina Vidou, because she
[00:15:44] asked me, my reaction was and remains the same, that I don't know,
[00:15:48] I tell her, if there is an agreement, I don't know if both
[00:15:52] sides have agreed, or if it is also an attempt by Trump to
[00:15:55] overshadow the Nobel Peace Prize, the Nobel Peace Prize, which was given on
[00:15:59] Friday again to someone else and to influence this. Do you believe that and
[00:16:03] he is supposedly ending a war? And here let me say something very quickly. Firstly,
[00:16:06] the Nobel to someone where Trump thinks he should have
[00:16:10] gotten it anyway, firstly. Secondly, he has made the statement that I have
[00:16:14] solved eight wars and yet I didn't get the Nobel.
[00:16:17] Thirdly, it gives a sense domestically in the United States that
[00:16:21] I can solve problems, and he needs this to boost
[00:16:24] a bit the morale of Americans, but mainly his own prestige and
[00:16:28] profile because elections are approaching. Here, no one had any idea among those involved about
[00:16:31] it. Obviously. Fourthly, fourthly, he would very much like this to happen. Fifthly, we must
[00:16:35] publicly tries to preempt
[00:16:37] developments without having defined them,
[00:16:41] meaning there is no agreement and he thinks that since I go out and
[00:16:45] say there is an agreement and I even hold both
[00:16:48] responsible equally to uphold it, somehow
[00:16:51] at the end of the day, however, because as we were saying during the
[00:16:55] break, it's not just that,
[00:16:58] because as we were saying during the break, Trump is no longer at the peak
[00:17:02] of his power but is on a downward trajectory, they don't seem to
[00:17:13] indirect continuation to this with the issue of fuel
[00:17:16] prices here in Greece. We see Mr. Papageorgiou already with our colleague
[00:17:20] Stivika. Good morning cheap Russian oil
[00:17:24] is coming, it's already coming,
[00:17:32] formed today. 2193 for unleaded, 207 for diesel
[00:17:36] fuel, it has dropped.
[00:18:07] Good morning, look, the reduction in the price
[00:18:11] of diesel fuel will continue, and this is a result of the high
[00:18:15] subsidy that the product itself has in its price,
[00:18:18] that is, correct, correct, correct, 20 cents, and the
[00:18:22] 5 cents that were given extra, in addition, from
[00:18:26] the beginning of October, were visible at the pumps of gas stations, in
[00:18:29] combination with the drop in stabilization, I would rather say,
[00:18:32] in the price of Brent oil. Indeed, this
[00:18:36] then gave a breather to the market. We are approaching €2 if
[00:18:40] this stable situation continues as it is, because Mr.
[00:18:43] Putin's statements obviously did not help
[00:18:46] de-escalate prices. The market estimates that
[00:18:50] the quantities are rather small, those that have been agreed upon to
[00:18:53] be given to Europe, so
[00:18:56] we see refinery prices remaining at the same
[00:18:59] levels in our country,
[00:19:01] this
[00:19:04] that Trump was saying, or rather Michalis was saying earlier, that
[00:19:07] they don't even cover America's needs, well, for a few days only, yes, for a few
[00:19:11] days.
[00:19:13] However, the market kept to a good psychological level, this was evident from
[00:19:17] the price because there was an increase last week, we had seen it approach
[00:19:21] 105-105.5 per barrel, fortunately
[00:19:25] prices were held back, they remain at levels close to 100,
[00:19:28] meaning for Greece, for Greek consumers, that we will see
[00:19:32] stabilized prices for gasoline, slightly
[00:19:35] reduced, and for diesel fuel. A big de-escalation, that is,
[00:19:39] there are three events which, heating, we are waiting for the
[00:19:42] announcements from the Ministry of Finance,
[00:19:46] to see what the subsidy will be, it sounds like it will be quite large,
[00:19:50] which means for heating oil, with today's
[00:19:53] conditions, below 160, that is, how much would heating oil be this morning if
[00:19:57] we had today's price, one,
[00:20:01] over 1.90, 1.90 to 1.95, what
[00:20:04] do you say, and in the lower.
[00:20:10] Yes, yes, yes, yes, so we are talking about a subsidy that will be around 30 cents,
[00:20:13] it will obviously be a subsidy in collaboration with the Greek, with the two large
[00:20:16] groups, plus, plus the subsidy we will now have for
[00:20:20] border areas, that is, the heating allowance, this
[00:20:24] will be a great relief at least for these people, right Mr.
[00:20:27] Papageorgiou? There are, clearly, there are three
[00:20:31] facts that are worth people knowing about, which
[00:20:35] are happening in our country. One is that
[00:20:37] there is no direct correlation between the price of Brent crude oil and the
[00:20:41] prices of refinery products. The second is that the Greek market
[00:20:44] operates within the framework of healthy competition after the
[00:20:47] latest checks carried out by the ministry. have closed which
[00:20:51] were
[00:20:53] illegal, this brought health to our market, meaning we are looking
[00:20:57] for controls to continue to keep prices in check, it is for the benefit of
[00:21:01] consumers, and the third factor is that the
[00:21:04] subsidy which is being given seems to
[00:21:07] be quite strong to keep
[00:21:27] little restraint in the market, Nikos, we are waiting to see what will happen with heating
[00:21:31] oil, from what we heard from Mr. Papageorgiou, things are optimistic,
[00:21:34] of course the price will not be where we were last year, because
[00:21:38] some people are making a wrong comparison, they remember what
[00:21:41] we bought last year at the beginning, 1.10, that doesn't exist, okay, it
[00:21:44] doesn't exist, that happened for a period there at the beginning last year, that
[00:21:48] disappeared later on.
[00:21:51] 30 30 cents subsidy, a big subsidy is a
[00:21:55] big deal and this will also increase the amount for the regions, especially in
[00:21:59] northern Greece, of course. Let's go Nikos then.
[00:22:02] There are three things about heating oil and the announcements on Wednesday,
[00:22:06] I think that the field is slowly taking shape. This
[00:22:09] week, at the beginning of the week, we see the prices, we don't
[00:22:13] see significant price reductions at an
[00:22:15] international level, so the trend doesn't change. The
[00:22:19] decision at a governmental level is for the subsidy to be extremely
[00:22:22] large, which means that the mild
[00:22:26] scenario of 20-25 cents, which
[00:22:29] would have reached close to 1.70, seems to have the
[00:22:32] lowest probabilities. We will probably go for the
[00:22:36] basic scenarios of 45 or even
[00:22:39] 55 cents. If we reach there, always with the refineries, if
[00:22:42] we reach there, we are talking about prices close to 1.50, 1.40.
[00:22:46] A big number, a very big number, I say this because if we sit down and...
[00:22:57] the consumption, how many million liters we consume per month, it comes out to an amount, I would say, which is I imagine close to the possibilities, close to 30-40
[00:23:01] million per month. We don't know of course what the
[00:23:05] strategy will be, because if the economic staff bets
[00:23:08] that this thing will last until the end of the
[00:23:12] period, then they might want to save
[00:23:14] strength. If there is an assessment that it is for one
[00:23:18] or two or at most three months, then we might
[00:23:22] see the large amount, the large subsidy, that is, to
[00:23:25] come out strong and aggressively. So, if we see a large
[00:23:28] subsidy, we will understand that the assessment is that the period of
[00:23:32] danger will be shorter, right?
[00:23:35] Exactly, exactly, exactly, exactly, exactly, because the money will
[00:23:39] cost approximately, as I see it and calculate it based on
[00:23:42] consumption, it's close to 30 to 40 million euros
[00:23:46] per month, it's not small, but I would say
[00:23:49] that it is manageable, in what sense? In
[00:23:53] the sense that what the Prime Minister said in his
[00:23:56] letter to Mrs. von der Leyen is that there are
[00:23:59] revenues more than normal from the VAT that the
[00:24:03] state already collects from the sale of more expensive
[00:24:07] fuels, but of course there are many questions, very, very many
[00:24:10] questions, in what sense questions? For example, we don't know
[00:24:14] exactly, first of all, Trump's announcements
[00:24:17] come and say what? They come and say that
[00:24:21] Russia suddenly, even though more than half of its
[00:24:24] refineries have been hit, will find quantities to
[00:24:28] export more than it could and was exporting
[00:24:31] before the war and in the normal
[00:24:35] period, before they were hit. I don't know, it's Trump's
[00:24:39] mathematics. The other question is, he doesn't even believe himself
[00:24:42] anymore, it's not possible, what he says is erratic.
[00:24:45] The other question is how is it possible that while there are
[00:24:49] shortages, we see reports with
[00:24:51] difficulty from Russia, shortages at
[00:24:55] their own gas stations, to export such large quantities that
[00:24:58] President Trump would be satisfied
[00:25:02] and these quantities would affect to a decisive
[00:25:06] degree. Roughly speaking, every
[00:25:08] day 30 million barrels of refined
[00:25:12] diesel are traded globally. Trump's
[00:25:15] prediction, which Russia has never reached in recent years, is that
[00:25:18] it will be 2.2 million
[00:25:21] barrels of Russian oil that will drop and now are not in the market.
[00:25:25] Let's remember that it was close to 1.5 million barrels
[00:25:28] before the crisis. Yes, yes, of course,
[00:25:32] these are a bit difficult mathematics to work out. What
[00:25:36] I would say is more realistic is that large quantities are coming out
[00:25:39] now from the Middle East, very large quantities close to
[00:25:43] pre-war levels are passing normally with exactly with
[00:25:47] a question mark about what has been happening in the last two days in Saudi Arabia. And the other thing
[00:25:50] that I see today in all international media is that all
[00:25:54] the big oil companies, the large oil companies have gone next to Iran, to
[00:25:57] Iraq, and they see many possibilities for large
[00:26:01] quantities to come out. In the market, this is good, eh,
[00:26:04] in the past, we also got quantities
[00:26:12] to complete, let's see our car, the Renault Austral, what
[00:26:15] you see here, therefore, 150 horses, a solution now for what
[00:26:19] we are discussing exists, we are not discussing whether you will take a hybrid or electric car now, okay, a little bit
[00:26:22] of the loss, a little bit of the cost,
[00:26:25] 1494, I have written down your full name, phone number, send SMSsky and
[00:26:29] full name to 19%. Let's go to a break, we'll be back with our politics.
[00:30:57] injectable drugs, I used to not be able to sit like this, I still
[00:31:01] have it of course and I need to. Because this is the worst fat,
[00:31:04] the abdominal fat.