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[00:00:00] contracts, concerts, songs,
[00:00:02] agreements and what it means beyond the fact that
[00:00:06] Karvelas kicked out the Hades inspectors,
[00:00:09] they finally sent it to him electronically of course, it happened normally, so
[00:00:13] VIV what is Hades looking for now that we're talking,
[00:00:16] Hades is sweeping everything Maria and Ari, after the
[00:00:19] latest developments, let me tell you that she also went to Nikos Karvelas' house for
[00:00:23] possible tax outstanding issues from four previous years, amounting to
[00:00:27] 850.
[00:00:30] in the coming days they have a deadline of 20 days, according to sources, Mr. Karvelas will
[00:00:33] provide, with his accountant, all the
[00:00:37] necessary documents and will give explanations, as the
[00:00:41] sources say, he is available for any financial audit, at the same time, let me
[00:00:45] tell you that they are also investigating from the side of the lady, from the beginning, as
[00:00:49] we said, the invoices of the production companies, the
[00:00:52] revenues, the tickets, how many tickets were sold, how many tickets
[00:00:56] were issued, because we also had complaints, as we saw in the...
[00:01:00] for oversold tickets, they are also checking
[00:01:03] the bank transactions of all involved
[00:01:06] persons, exactly for the case, for the concerts however
[00:01:10] of previous years both here in Greece and in Kalimarmaro, but
[00:01:14] also abroad, there are sweeping checks and as for the bank
[00:01:17] transactions of the involved persons, they are checking if
[00:01:20] their actual incomes match what they have declared to the
[00:01:24] tax office.
[00:01:30] in the concerts and the two or three in
[00:01:32] Kalimarmaro and this one in Athens, now we
[00:01:36] hear that there are things that need to be
[00:01:39] investigated without prejudging what will emerge, in any case
[00:01:43] I would add the following that they are now
[00:01:46] investigating at least the previous ones after
[00:01:48] the fact, they should have, if it was, no one approached before,
[00:01:52] yes, at the time they should have looked for whatever needed
[00:01:55] to be looked for, I imagine not only at these concerts of Mrs. Vissy, but at
[00:01:59] all of them. concerts, if we're going to look into it, we're looking into it,
[00:02:03] but not because two people are fighting among themselves, now suddenly
[00:02:06] Hades comes, the system doesn't work like that, exactly,
[00:02:10] here for all the rest except the Olympic
[00:02:14] stadium, the inspection is delayed, we would have learned about
[00:02:17] escaped if this hadn't erupted publicly, I'm afraid not, with
[00:02:21] announcements, tell me Vivi,
[00:02:24] what we need to emphasize is that now at the stage we are at, we have a
[00:02:28] tax audit, it has not been proven. now
[00:02:30] public opinion is upset and we
[00:02:41] and we have expressed it here about what is happening between Vissy and
[00:02:45] Karvelas, but this public opinion is what brought Karvelas and
[00:02:49] Vissy to where they are now and now we see what happened, kids, from these
[00:02:53] concerts, were there escapes or weren't there, we are upset, those who
[00:02:56] are a little more upset about the two artists.
[00:03:03] on the contrary, in no case on the contrary, it seems very
[00:03:07] distant, all this, that is, you see two such beloved artists
[00:03:11] having made millions, as it turns out, which however in some
[00:03:15] cases it seems that they had not yet been checked or had not been checked at any
[00:03:18] stage of their journey. We thank you very much, Vivi. Now
[00:03:22] let's get a taste of what's happening now and the
[00:03:25] announcements we were expecting about the ban on social
[00:03:29] media. for children under 16 years old, announcements are being
[00:03:32] made by the co-competent ministers and
[00:03:35] we can get a taste, let's connect because
[00:03:38] what we have on the platforms and
[00:03:42] what will be discussed, so we understand that at this
[00:03:44] moment with the platforms there is no
[00:03:47] clear framework in order to prevent
[00:03:51] all this legislative framework that you, as the government, have, from becoming
[00:03:55] a firework from the side that the platforms will use it.
[00:03:58] The point is that they are not
[00:04:01] obliged for every account to use the
[00:04:04] verification mechanism, what we are saying again is to make it clear that now the
[00:04:08] platforms are responsible to find and
[00:04:11] locate.
[00:04:14] Mr. is speaking now next to him is Akis Kertsos and
[00:04:18] of course Adonis Georgiadis and we are waiting
[00:04:21] to see what they will specify and of course what they will
[00:04:24] answer to the journalists who say okay with the ban but
[00:04:28] what will happen with the other platforms.
[00:04:30] That's right, and we ask the parents to tell us if what
[00:04:34] you hear or will hear and read tomorrow satisfies you and what
[00:04:38] else so in a very short time we
[00:04:42] will return immediately after the short, very short
[00:04:44] break with new evidence from the
[00:04:47] testimony of the daughter of the two doctors in
[00:04:50] Karnea, who says quite a few things about
[00:04:54] Methi, which is the number one issue for the
[00:04:58] investigative authorities. in a few days, perhaps even this
[00:05:01] week, we may have the results of the toxicological, perhaps even the
[00:05:05] histological examinations, within this week, the
[00:05:09] process is moving quickly to give us answers. all the
[00:05:12] questions we have asked, stay with us and let's go for a ride with the
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[00:05:26] value of the edition that will take aesthetic and
[00:05:29] line, very much, it's not just technology,
[00:05:32] a car here, this has never happened before, but here too,
[00:05:36] now we have a very nice aggressive car, the
[00:05:40] value of the edition. and
[00:05:43] of course, the technology we give you is around
[00:05:46] 35,000€, it's the expensive, in any case, the
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[00:05:52] you can find this car from
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[00:15:44] So, here we are and not alone, first of all, Mrs.
[00:15:47] Tatiana Douvara, you will allow us, Mr. President, we always start with the ladies, you are a
[00:15:51] kind person, hello lady, I am a collaborator of the
[00:15:54] show, you are here every day with us, Mr. Giannake,
[00:15:57] he even corrects us, they call him
[00:16:01] Giannakos and we keep calling him Giannakos, forgive us
[00:16:04] Mr. President, forgive us for all the times we have said it. So, Theodosis,
[00:16:07] Mr. President, is also with us, and
[00:16:11] let's go now, hello Theodosis, good afternoon, let's
[00:16:15] start with the new information coming out of the
[00:16:18] and the death of Giorgos
[00:16:22] Mazonakis, what comes out from what the child
[00:16:26] of this family, a child only 19 years old,
[00:16:30] told the investigator a few days ago and it is
[00:16:33] important to see the card we have prepared and start our conversation
[00:16:37] from there. Let's see what she reportedly said, we remind
[00:16:40] you that she herself says my mother also did plasmapheresis on me.
[00:16:44] I heard the word adrenaline twice in the
[00:16:47] doctor's office. About 10 minutes later they called my father and
[00:16:51] he ran into my mother's examination room, where the
[00:16:55] plasmapheresis was being performed, with a stethoscope around his neck and after
[00:16:58] 5 minutes I saw the doctor screaming
[00:17:01] "I had a heart attack" and continues, "I had
[00:17:04] plasmapheresis with my mother on August 26th and 30th." We
[00:17:08] were telling you since Friday that it was in two phases according to
[00:17:11] what she claimed was the treatment for her, while the doctor's office was
[00:17:15] closed and I even have a relevant video, she gave me
[00:17:19] something to relax as they do in gastroscopy and
[00:17:22] colonoscopy and I fell asleep," she
[00:17:25] says among other things, "I wish my father had found out, even by
[00:17:29] mistake, about Methi, because we wouldn't have reached
[00:17:32] where we are now." The first question I want to ask Theodosis
[00:17:36] directly is if he also knows
[00:17:39] if this video that the daughter claims to have
[00:17:43] in her hands has been submitted to the authorities yet,
[00:17:46] since she is submitting it and it is considered evidence, she
[00:17:50] must submit it and since she has said so, she probably
[00:17:53] has it, because if she says that the
[00:17:56] video has been deleted for the reasons, it is
[00:17:59] not available to her, it does not
[00:18:03] strengthen what she says, yes, the
[00:18:06] colleague of Mrs. Douvara, Mr. Lykoudis, who has taken
[00:18:09] over the defense of the Mazonakis family,
[00:18:13] of course, said that no
[00:18:15] video has been included in the case file so far, so I don't know, Mrs.
[00:18:18] Douvara, if we can be sure that
[00:18:21] this is really true?
[00:18:25] Look, we must first of all put the daughter's testimony
[00:18:29] in the correct perspective, so we must
[00:18:32] consider that she is the daughter of the accused,
[00:18:36] so let's examine her testimony from this perspective,
[00:18:40] when you give a witness testimony
[00:18:42] later the investigator may ask you to
[00:18:46] provide evidence to prove it, so here for me we have two
[00:18:50] aspects, what does she want to say, why does she say I had plasmapheresis
[00:18:54] for potential malice, what does she want to say with that? If my mother
[00:18:58] has performed plasmapheresis on her child, it means
[00:19:02] that she does not accept the
[00:19:05] fact that by performing plasmapheresis, death
[00:19:08] may occur, so this serves both accused, exactly,
[00:19:12] especially for anesthesia, because she also talked about
[00:19:15] anesthesia and sedation, let's go now to the second part, she had given her too,
[00:19:19] because for me this was also my basic course, when they did
[00:19:22] plasmapheresis they administered sedation to those patients, so
[00:19:26] here she comes and somewhat mentions that she had also given me
[00:19:29] something to relax and the third aspect mentions and
[00:19:33] helps, if you like, with her testimony, her father, who
[00:19:37] seems to have already separated from the mother,
[00:19:40] even from the change of lawyers, but also from the change of defense strategy, but
[00:19:44] does the malice also concern the mother accused doctor?
[00:19:47] Because if you do it to your daughter,
[00:19:50] you obviously didn't want to cause harm to Mazonakis, that's the logical
[00:19:53] assumption, exactly, that's where it goes for both accused, that's because what
[00:19:57] are we looking at here? We are looking at two time points, before plasmapheresis,
[00:20:00] before any invasive procedure
[00:20:04] and after
[00:20:07] the prosecution was initially brought as fatal exposure to
[00:20:11] danger, but Theodoropoulos and the hacker were sharing the money.
[00:20:14] So,
[00:20:18] new prosecutions have also been filed, this testimony has a
[00:20:21] contradiction in the first part, what does she say? She gave me something
[00:20:25] to relax and to sleep so that this could happen.
[00:20:29] In the last part, however, where she seems to be trying to
[00:20:32] excuse her father, it's very logical and I speak now as
[00:20:36] a parent, what does she say? If the doctor
[00:20:39] knew about the sedation, we wouldn't have come
[00:20:42] this far, that is, on the one hand she says, I
[00:20:45] took it, but if my dad knew about it,
[00:20:49] we wouldn't have. Here, now, was he a doctor
[00:20:52] theoretically? Of course not practically, he doesn't have a specialty, but
[00:20:56] was he a doctor, excuse me, did all this happen in
[00:20:59] Theodoropoulos's office? Yes, he was
[00:21:01] there and he didn't realize that he was giving sedation
[00:21:05] to patients? Can we believe that? The line may
[00:21:09] be, but here we are talking about a conspiracy of joint perpetrators who have the same
[00:21:13] responsibilities and where, excuse me, where was
[00:21:16] the product of the active ingredient placed?
[00:21:30] What is this hospital drug? It's propofol and
[00:21:33] midazolam, about which there's so much talk, and now the
[00:21:36] accused doctor comes and what does she say? Go and
[00:21:40] search Mazonakis's house to see if these substances
[00:21:43] were there and if he was taking them himself.
[00:21:46] First question, how can anyone find
[00:21:54] it? Secondly, Mr. Lykoudis, the family's lawyer, comes out today and
[00:21:57] what does he say? Mazonakis's house was searched, the only things
[00:22:01] found were some Xanax, but Xanax doesn't have propofol,
[00:22:04] Xanax
[00:22:07] was also found in the hospital, yes, but that has nothing to do with propofol,
[00:22:10] absolutely nothing, so what are they trying to do, Mrs. Douvara, or
[00:22:14] the doctor? This is what I believe and foresee, that
[00:22:18] she will try to say that I did not administer these substances, but
[00:22:22] Mr. Mazonakis had already taken one of the two, I don't know, and it was already in his
[00:22:25] system. But there is her daughter,
[00:22:28] but, when you administer, yes, and also when you administer anesthesia to a
[00:22:32] person or when you subject him to this examination,
[00:22:35] you must first, if you are a doctor, request certain
[00:22:39] examinations, a medical pre-screening should be done, to
[00:22:42] see the patient's condition, this is obviously, I fear that the
[00:22:46] check should have been done on all people who were.
[00:22:55] And Mr. Giannakos will also tell us if in a normal
[00:22:58] doctor's office, a normal one, of course, it was, and
[00:23:02] this always involves a check of the patient, they have a history, these
[00:23:06] people on their computers didn't have the patients' history, there was
[00:23:10] nothing and they were even deleting the names from the machine itself. I
[00:23:14] want to ask Mr. Giannakos something to take it a little further.
[00:23:17] If it is confirmed by the psalm anyway, that the
[00:23:21] specific substances were administered, can
[00:23:24] this finding alone prove the cause of death
[00:23:28] or do we need to look at concentrations,
[00:23:31] drug combinations, histological findings that always delay histological
[00:23:35] results a little longer? For
[00:23:38] me, everything is taken into account,
[00:23:41] she was sedated, was a pre-operative check done,
[00:23:45] was it not? If there was a cardiological problem, as
[00:23:48] it is said, with an electrocardiogram, with a cardiological
[00:23:52] examination, this would have been found and
[00:23:55] this medical procedure would have been avoided, in fact, a second one within
[00:23:59] 24 hours, then the sedation that the daughter also said
[00:24:03] is done in
[00:24:05] doctors' offices that perform gastroscopy,
[00:24:09] colonoscopy, yes, but there, sedation is done in the
[00:24:12] presence of an anesthesiologist, who knows the
[00:24:16] dosage, knows what to give, is it possible
[00:24:20] for an unqualified doctor who signs as a holistic doctor to
[00:24:24] administer sedation with heavy destructive drugs
[00:24:27] propofol and midazolam and
[00:24:30] at the same time, how did this doctor, who was sharing the
[00:24:33] money with his wife, allow all this to happen in the doctor's office,
[00:24:37] let his daughter be in danger, do this act? Didn't he
[00:24:41] know anything? Was this clinic so big?
[00:24:44] It was a chicken coop. He knew everything.
[00:24:48] He is jointly responsible. More in a bit, we won't let you go,
[00:24:52] we'll let you catch your breath by thanking Theodosis above
[00:24:55] so we can go directly to the other topic, Mrs. Douvara, which
[00:24:59] we are learning now, because the truth is that with so
[00:25:02] much noise about the story of intellectual property rights for
[00:25:06] music, with so much noise, we haven't dealt with it before in our
[00:25:09] country. Mrs. Irene Stamatoudi is also with us and we thank her very much,
[00:25:13] law professor, of course, and a lawyer herself, hello Mrs.
[00:25:16] Stamatoudi and thank you very much, good afternoon, hello, hello.
[00:25:20] So, this week, beyond the financial aspect, which I think
[00:25:24] we are probably only at the beginning of, and the
[00:25:27] audit authority, which is currently
[00:25:30] investigating everything about the
[00:25:33] income of both Karvelas and
[00:25:36] Vissy recently, from what we understand,
[00:25:40] there is this aspect which, as you understand, is the
[00:25:44] most attractive
[00:25:47] in the discussion, whether it will...
[00:25:52] as things have developed and I heard you say that she may face
[00:25:56] consequences if the request of
[00:25:59] is not heard. All this is provided for in the Law on
[00:26:11] Intellectual Property of 21/21
[00:26:14] of 1993. The law is quite strict on
[00:26:17] violations of intellectual property rights, no one, if
[00:26:21] one goes to sing his songs without playing the musical
[00:26:25] composition and reciting the lyrics without his permission,
[00:26:29] provisional measures may be requested
[00:26:33] to stop the concert,
[00:26:36] there will be order from the prosecutor and the
[00:26:39] police to stop the concert, damages may be requested,
[00:26:42] it may even go to an immediate arrest,
[00:26:45] so it is really strict and the
[00:26:49] process of immediate arrest, that is, in some
[00:26:52] cases, exactly, however, the conclusion
[00:26:55] is drawn that the main owner of the
[00:26:58] songs is the composer, that's what I understand from the law.
[00:27:07] both, both, both believe.
[00:27:10] The
[00:27:14] singer has a right only to their performance, they also
[00:27:17] have a right, it's not a copyright, it's a related
[00:27:21] right, it's called that in the law, because it's related to the right
[00:27:25] of intellectual property, but it concerns their performance
[00:27:28] and only that and not the music, the dominant one here is Karvelas.
[00:27:32] Yes, but a song that has timeless success
[00:27:36] mainly through the performance of an artist,
[00:27:40] doesn't take that into account, that is, does the artist
[00:27:43] open up, I mean, a wider big
[00:27:46] issue now for the relationship between creator and artist, here
[00:27:50] Vissi, let's say, is not protected in any way, except
[00:27:54] that this law you mentioned can be used by the creator
[00:27:57] abusively, and of course the court judges this.
[00:28:01] In this particular case,
[00:28:14] both have a de facto loss, because people are used
[00:28:18] to hearing Karvelas's songs through her
[00:28:21] performance, and I imagine that when someone
[00:28:25] else performs them, it won't be
[00:28:29] the same for the audience, I imagine, but the
[00:28:32] law is not a Greek peculiarity, what Greek
[00:28:36] law provides for, is the law that applies throughout the European Union. The
[00:28:40] singer indeed, because they contribute their performance, and
[00:28:43] their performance can be of crucial importance
[00:28:46] for the promotion of a song, that's exactly why they have this
[00:28:50] related right. This right is related to their
[00:28:53] performance, that's where the added value that the singer gives to
[00:28:57] the song through their performance is, and in this particular case,
[00:29:01] they will be deprived of it.
[00:29:09] I see the discussion that has started, Ms. Douvara, some
[00:29:13] say that look, in the end Vissi and Karvelas will get along just fine
[00:29:17] and we are making analyses upon analyses
[00:29:20] in vain. Now that we are talking, I will tell you
[00:29:23] honestly, I believe that it is self-destructive and
[00:29:27] mutually destructive not to find common ground at some point.
[00:29:30] Maybe now that the '
[00:29:32] is high, I understand, because this always happens in
[00:29:35] disputes, and we lawyers at least advise,
[00:29:39] and my personal advice is that the worst compromise is
[00:29:43] better than going to
[00:29:46] court. If you represented Vissi or Karvelas now, what would you
[00:29:49] advise them to agree?
[00:29:52] Without a doubt, because both are harmed, and Vissi
[00:29:56] has an issue where she is indeed excluded from the right
[00:30:00] to sing again, but so is Karvelas. What will he do, where will he give the songs
[00:30:03] to be sung? Will it be the same? Will he earn what he earns
[00:30:07] now? So it is
[00:30:10] detrimental to both. Ms. Stamatoudi, is there a
[00:30:13] legal fee in the case of a concert? That is,
[00:30:17] does he get what he is entitled to
[00:30:20] in a contract, the lyricist? Can he
[00:30:24] ask for something more later, because I see that the differences are probably
[00:30:28] not smoothed out in what we heard about the amounts,
[00:30:31] that is. I understand it was the initial
[00:30:33] dispute that triggered everything else, and of course there was also an
[00:30:37] ethical issue regarding the presentation. But to get to
[00:30:41] this financial dispute, what usually happens is that when the
[00:30:44] creator is particularly
[00:30:46] famous, usually the songs
[00:30:50] that someone performs are mainly their own songs, usually
[00:30:54] an additional agreement is made besides
[00:30:57] what a collective organization is paid.