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[00:06:48] Time Square a beautiful Saturday, it is pat, there was a t-shirt
[00:06:51] vender, you saw an individual get out of a car and take a lighter
[00:06:55] and toss it in the passenger seat, and then you heard this little pop pop
[00:06:58] pop,
[00:07:03] all that glass,
[00:07:05] all those bits and shards that are from 20 stories, 30 stories
[00:07:09] high, they're going to come crashing to the ground, this is a...
[00:07:12] bomber, are they going to activate some other bombs? find the
[00:07:16] guy, stop the next act. we need to pull every single
[00:07:19] camera, he's a plane. clock is ticking,
[00:07:23] get that plane back now.
[00:07:27] in the FBI, we make lot of
[00:07:29] headlines,
[00:07:33] drug busts, mob
[00:07:35] sticks, terrorist
[00:07:38] takedowns.
[00:07:41] we understand. people want to tell stories about us,
[00:07:44] mark it, fbi, fbi,
[00:07:48] but they don't know the half of it,
[00:07:52] what really goes down, we save
[00:07:54] that for each other when we're talking agent to
[00:07:57] agent,
[00:08:01] this is FBI,
[00:08:03] true
[00:08:10] guys, it's so great to see you, have a... seen you like a
[00:08:13] minute. Christie
[00:08:17] the FBI. She worked gangs, crimes
[00:08:20] against children as well as human and drug
[00:08:23] trafficking. Pete, where were you on uh May
[00:08:27] 1st, 2010? I was in Bayridge,
[00:08:29] Brooklyn. Peter Lekata was one of the
[00:08:32] FBI's top bomb experts. He dealt with more
[00:08:36] than 300 improvised explosive devices on missions to
[00:08:39] Iraq. In 2010, he led the weapon.
[00:08:42] of mass destruction squad for New York
[00:08:44] City,
[00:08:48] my counterparts in the NYPD Bomb Squad, they tell me we got a thing going on
[00:08:52] Times Square, you probably want to start rolling this
[00:08:54] way,
[00:08:56] I got a call, not unusual because it always happens either a Friday or Saturday when you're
[00:09:00] getting ready to relax, the assistant special agent charge called up, can
[00:09:04] you respond as the unseen commander? Greg eerie was
[00:09:07] recruited from the US Air Force to join the FBI where he worked
[00:09:11] organized crime. and intelligence cases.
[00:09:14] In 2010, he was supervisory special agent for the New
[00:09:18] York Domestic Terrorism Squad. At this point, we
[00:09:21] had been doing lot of bomb threats. We've been through this before, this is not
[00:09:25] our first time, and so everyone knows what their mission is. Richard
[00:09:28] Frankel got his start in the FBI, investigating the
[00:09:31] infamous Gambino crime family. After the attacks on
[00:09:34] 9/11, he moved into national security. By
[00:09:37] 2009, Frankel was responsible for domestic terrorist
[00:09:41] threats at the FB. New York field office. So your first on scene, what do you
[00:09:45] see? It's time Square a beautiful Saturday right around
[00:09:49] when shows are letting out, shows are coming in, it is
[00:09:51] pack.
[00:09:56] I look for my team, I look for my counterparts and the first thing he goes, what do we have here? And what
[00:10:00] they tell me is there was a t-shirt vendor right on the corner of 45th in Broadway, we saw
[00:10:04] an individual get out of a car, a Nissan
[00:10:06] Pathfinder
[00:10:09] and take a lighter and toss it in the passenger seat and... and then you heard
[00:10:13] this little pop pop pop pop, which was almost like firecracker going off and
[00:10:16] stuff, and then the sparks inside the car, you could see them. At that
[00:10:20] point, the t-shirt vendor sees a fire, start engulf the car, and
[00:10:24] when that happened... everybody just started running,
[00:10:36] keep
[00:10:36] moving,
[00:10:42] the FDNY, they see two red five gallon gasoline jugs in
[00:10:46] the back seat of this
[00:10:47] SUV,
[00:10:51] they see some fusing systems, they see some pirate techniques, aka firecracker.
[00:10:55] consumer grade firecrackers, they see three propane tanks in the cargo
[00:10:59] area of this SUV, and then they see a really long gun locker and
[00:11:03] they're like, this isn't a normal car fire, we've got something more,
[00:11:17] so based on your experience as bombtech looking at this
[00:11:20] device, you're recognizing how powerful this would
[00:11:23] have been if it went off, what? how powerful are we talking?
[00:11:26] catastrop:
[00:11:28] you have time square, you have 45th street,
[00:11:32] you have to worry about the fragmentation from the
[00:11:34] vehicle,
[00:11:37] the device itself, and then what we call secondary and tertiary fragmentation,
[00:11:41] which is all that glass,
[00:11:45] all those bits and shards that are from 20 stories, 30 stories high,
[00:11:48] they are going to come crashing to the ground, and not just at 45th and
[00:11:52] broadway, we're talking all the way up the east side on. 5th street we're talking
[00:11:56] around the block and we're talking all the way back down to the hudson river going down the
[00:12:00] west
[00:12:00] side.
[00:12:07] in order to get a view of the
[00:12:10] device, you use a remote control robot to do a reconnaissance for
[00:12:13] you to get a look at the hazard without putting bombtech in
[00:12:17] harms way. first thing you do is you you make the device
[00:12:21] safe, aka render it safe, neutralizer, which means you separate.
[00:12:25] fusing system or the switch from the energetic or the explosives
[00:12:29] and
[00:12:32] once we have the explosives isolated, we can put it in a vehicle or a flat bed and we can
[00:12:36] haul it out of there, whether he was able to set this device off or not,
[00:12:39] it doesn't matter, bomb didn't explode, but this is still a
[00:12:43] bomber, so all these thoughts are starting to race from my head, now the temperature has gone up
[00:12:47] even more because you're thinking, it's not a pipe bomb which is damaging
[00:12:50] enough, how big could this be? it was
[00:12:53] just a couple short years ago. you had the Mexican consulate bombing, you had
[00:12:57] bombing at the Times Square recruiting station just around the corner, you had a potential
[00:13:01] attack on the New York City Subway system. Our job
[00:13:04] since 9/11 has been to prevent an act of
[00:13:07] terrorism in New York and elsewhere, and we can't let
[00:13:10] this happen second time on our watch.
[00:13:24] I'm starting to think of... this point, okay, where's the where's the subject, who is
[00:13:28] driving the car, because are they going to activate some other bombs? and
[00:13:31] in my head, i literally i'm thinking of a stopwatch being clicked, buse
[00:13:35] now the hunt is on.
[00:13:38] the jock is now completely up and running,
[00:13:42] you've got analysts, you've got surveillance teams, you've got
[00:13:45] lawyers from both the US attorney's office and the
[00:13:48] FBI. the entire task force is up and running and it's
[00:13:52] 24/7. i'm on the phone with gre with Pete, with everyone
[00:13:56] saying, is there any other bomb? Is there any other actor here in
[00:14:00] the United States that we have to worry about? And the mission was,
[00:14:04] find the guy, stop the next act.
[00:14:07] Everyone was about the mission. Remember, Times Square busy, people are moving
[00:14:11] around, it's not evacuated yet. Who came out of that car and went somewhere? We need to pull
[00:14:15] every single camera. Yeah, I need to see face. Who came out of that
[00:14:18] car?
[00:14:24] Wasn't there some? information that we ran down because it
[00:14:27] was video of a man changing his
[00:14:30] clothes. We're currently examining video that shows a
[00:14:34] white male in his 40's in Shewbert Alley,
[00:14:38] looking back in the direction of West
[00:14:40] 405. He also was seen shading a dark
[00:14:44] colored shirt, revealing a red one
[00:14:47] underneath.
[00:14:51] This happened about a half block from where the vehicle..." was
[00:14:55] f:
[00:15:00] looks like he's coming from the car, very
[00:15:04] clue,
[00:15:09] this is so we start to focus in on that very quickly, that became a person of
[00:15:13] interest, so we are getting some information, it's coming in uh the license
[00:15:17] plate buse, it was obvious, we got that
[00:15:18] one,
[00:15:23] we run it, what do we get? back to body shop over in Brooklyn,
[00:15:27] so let's get people out to that body shop, find of what we know, but remember
[00:15:31] everywhere we go, even if it doesn't look good, you're assuming this is a
[00:15:35] terrorism organization, this is bomber. "this is somebody who's
[00:15:38] armed, so you can't just go willy
[00:15:40] nilly.
[00:15:50] i remember them dragging the owner of this body shop out of
[00:15:53] bed, and talking to him, he was able to very
[00:15:56] quickly say belong to a pickup truck that he still had right
[00:16:00] there, he said, i thought the plates were still on the car, so we know
[00:16:04] that's a dead end, so i remember banging Pete and his folks." to
[00:16:08] say, give me something from here, there's a set of keys that
[00:16:11] somebody had left, didn't know what they were to, what we're looking for, what we call trace
[00:16:15] evidence, are fingerprints, hairs fibers, any
[00:16:18] DNA, the lighter and the keys found on the
[00:16:21] floorboard of the seat. Pete was able to relay to us the vin number, the
[00:16:25] one in the windshield was obliterated, and at some point
[00:16:28] very quickly when you were going to move the car, somebody was able to get the vin
[00:16:31] from the frame underneath,
[00:16:35] finding the vin huge,
[00:16:37] and and that is almost a turning point in our mind, because what
[00:16:41] we can solve this,
[00:16:45] been number came back to a remember an 18-year-old who had sold at the
[00:16:49] car to somebody, we started sending people out and that was over in
[00:16:52] connect, it was up in
[00:16:53] connecticut,
[00:17:01] so we sent a group of people up there and she tells us and she got a
[00:17:04] call, hey uh from somebody who said like to buy the car and he looked at it, he
[00:17:08] paid cash, but the brother stops and is talking to our agents and
[00:17:12] says and you know, he never gave us a name, the person who
[00:17:15] bought the car did make the mistake, he gave them a phone
[00:17:19] number, so we start running that down, got the phone number, you run
[00:17:22] it, yeah, numerous calls to pakistan specifically on
[00:17:26] the right before the bomb was put in place, now it's okay, game is
[00:17:29] on, we know this is an act of terror, the focus now is find this
[00:17:33] individual and who else is
[00:17:36] clip of video, "and you'll see that the Muslim war
[00:17:40] has just started,
[00:17:43] right now we have the Vin, the license plate, phone number, we
[00:17:47] start running all the numbers with our other government agency
[00:17:50] friends, we run that and we found the person who bought the
[00:17:54] car did make numerous calls to Pakistan, and during this
[00:17:57] time we also have a Pakistani Taliban group releasing a
[00:18:01] video taking credit for the bomb, even though it didn't
[00:18:04] explode."
[00:18:15] up until this point, it's a criminal case, but once you now
[00:18:19] say Pakistan, and you see it on the phone, we now have a whole
[00:18:23] new host of tradecraft that we can
[00:18:26] use, um, we've got the military there, the the the criminal and
[00:18:30] counter intelligence investigators are with us, you can start seeing who
[00:18:33] on the other side was being talked to, and now...
[00:18:37] reverse that and see who they're talking to in the United
[00:18:41] States, did this bomb have iED signature that you
[00:18:44] recognized from a certain like these are used in
[00:18:47] Afghanistan, these were used in Pakistan, you have locker that's
[00:18:51] weighing over about 200 pounds full of some type
[00:18:54] of fertilizer mixture with propane tanks and gasoline cylinders
[00:18:58] and all this stuff and a signature of what was happening
[00:19:00] overseas.
[00:19:07] providing step-by-step instructions and how to construct a car
[00:19:10] bomb using propane tanks and
[00:19:13] gasoline.
[00:19:17] so it's like, okay, what did this guy think he or she was going to do? and
[00:19:21] it's now starting to scale in our mind's
[00:19:24] eye, the technical
[00:19:27] expertise of this individual. so we
[00:19:34] a an isolated, desolated area, very rural, not anyone around. and we
[00:19:37] built the device, over 200 pounds of ammonium nitrate and fuel oil,
[00:19:41] detonating,
[00:19:49] it was devastating device, now you picture that in the middle of time square at
[00:19:53] six something a Saturday, when uh
[00:19:56] Pete and his team set off that live shot, that bomb,
[00:20:00] we all looked at that and said, what
[00:20:01] if?
[00:20:16] So we've got the phone number, we run that, and young analyst comes up and
[00:20:20] says, hey, that number was listed a
[00:20:22] customs form, year or two before, and it comes back to
[00:20:26] somebody, so in other words, somebody had come into the United States, gone through customs and
[00:20:29] listed that number as a contact, and that was Faizal
[00:20:32] Shazar.
[00:20:42] fucking hey, let's we got something, we now we
[00:20:46] have something
[00:20:49] real the... bomb squad, they're still working the bomb and and getting
[00:20:53] any information that you can, analys, now
[00:20:56] focus on Faisel Shazad, get us everything, and there was a clip of
[00:21:00] video, jihad is an obligatory duty in Islam on
[00:21:03] every Muslim, this attack on the United States will also be
[00:21:07] a revenge attack from all of for all the
[00:21:10] mujahidin, so now we have oh, this is
[00:21:13] this is really looking like our person, we actually went out and
[00:21:17] found where the firecrackers. were boy, we
[00:21:20] started to receive some of that video feed and that wound up being faisal shazar.
[00:21:36] it was again collecting that evidence to get that paper to get him
[00:21:39] arrested.
[00:21:45] we know who he is, we know where he is. we've got the surveillance team out there and they're
[00:21:49] following.
[00:21:53] and you're looking, is it going to meet with somebody? is there somebody else? is there another
[00:21:57] SUV out there that's ricked, is there something out there? the temperature is
[00:22:01] rising, all the muslim arab that have been
[00:22:04] martered, i will take revenge on their behalf inshallah, and i
[00:22:08] really wish that the the hearts of the muslim will be will be
[00:22:11] pleased with this attack and inshallah, surveillance team is following
[00:22:15] him around and in the jock behind the scenes we're talking to
[00:22:18] rich, we're talking to special. in charge and as he's going
[00:22:21] around, what if he gets out of a car, what if he pulls up into a
[00:22:25] school parking lot, what if he gets out carrying backpack, do we arrest
[00:22:29] him, do we have enough to arrest him, we have to engage him, is this going to be bomber
[00:22:33] that we have to stop, we're putting agents and farms away, they're going to go potentially
[00:22:37] come face to face with somebody who just planted a bond in times square, so all
[00:22:41] these thoughts are going on, and at one point he comes out of his
[00:22:43] residence.
[00:22:53] "he is in his SUV, a white isuzu
[00:22:55] trooper, drives to mall,
[00:22:59] parks in a parking lot, we're making decisions literally on the spot
[00:23:02] live, and he gets out of the car wearing, I think shorts and t-shirt, so our comfort
[00:23:06] level, at least goes down, but we come up with the idea, hey,
[00:23:09] while he's in this mall, we don't how much time we have, get that keychain
[00:23:13] that we found in the Nissan Pfund in Times
[00:23:16] Square,
[00:23:19] those keys found and..." car or like in the ignition on the the
[00:23:22] seat, i think they were found in on on the floor border, he threw, he just threw things
[00:23:25] in the car in the middle of time square, dumb mistake, right? right, so we go up
[00:23:29] to connecticut and we tried the second set of keys in the lock of the his
[00:23:33] car, so now we know the lawyers are happy, we can arrest this
[00:23:36] person,
[00:23:43] so we're back at command post, and we know he went in the
[00:23:46] residence, and for everything our surveillance is telling me,
[00:23:49] we... know that he's still inside, so we're going to
[00:23:53] get our FBI swat team stacked at the door, which means they're going
[00:23:57] to be ready to go and crash the door. i actually start the
[00:24:00] briefing and as i'm briefing i get tapped on the shoulder
[00:24:04] by member of the JTTF, the federal air marshall uh
[00:24:07] leason, he goes rich, i got to talk to you, i'm like listen, i can't talk to you now, we're going
[00:24:11] to go, i go, we got surveillance on, and we start arguing a little
[00:24:15] bit, jttf, fbi, we think this guy is in the
[00:24:18] apartment, he goes, Faisal Shazaid is not in his
[00:24:22] room, he's at the airport, he's a plane. It was
[00:24:25] a shocking
[00:24:27] moment.
[00:24:32] Everything our surveillance is telling me, we know that he's still
[00:24:35] inside, but Faizal Shazaid is not in his
[00:24:38] room. Somebody says, where's the car? He's driving a white Isuzu
[00:24:42] trooper, it's not there, and I believe there was another
[00:24:46] white vehicle nearby, so when the change of the eye.
[00:24:50] happened, they didn't even think that the vehicle would move because there's still another
[00:24:54] white vehicle in that general location, so the federal air
[00:24:57] mar's on, he goes rich, i got to talk to you, he's at the airport,
[00:25:01] he's a plane, i got the documentation here,
[00:25:05] that's his passport number, that's his date of birth, the only thing we don't have is the
[00:25:09] picture, he's like, this is the guy,
[00:25:12] he's a plane, get that plane back now,
[00:25:16] insallah, eight years has passed by Afghanistan and you'll see.
[00:25:20] that the Muslim war has just
[00:25:21] started,
[00:25:26] I make it from 14th street to JFK
[00:25:29] in like 18 minutes. legend, no, so
[00:25:33] you just greg, you disbut the fact very fast, he
[00:25:37] got there in very good, I had troopers actually tell me
[00:25:40] I drove well, a trooper never tells an FBI, they drove well unless he did
[00:25:44] something like
[00:25:44] that,
[00:25:49] so... "we get out of the car, we all go running in into terminal four, I believe it
[00:25:53] was, it's a foot race now, it's straight on sprint, he gets to the
[00:25:56] airport, he gets on the plane, they shut the
[00:25:59] door, and that plane is by..." under
[00:26:03] all counts now basically going to be entering international
[00:26:06] space, we have to know are there guns, are there bombs, are there
[00:26:10] any other bad guys? we have to know this immediately. imagine you're on the plane, your
[00:26:14] five shows out right, and you think you're home free, doors closed, please
[00:26:17] prepare for take off 2020 runway
[00:26:21] 22 right positioning, actually i have message for you to go back to the gate
[00:26:24] immediately, so make the left turn one
[00:26:26] able,
[00:26:29] engines wine back down, plane turns around you go back to the...
[00:26:32] believe it was customs and border protection, they went on board, i
[00:26:35] think with a couple of port authority cops and brought faisel
[00:26:39] shazad off the plane, and they've now for the first time, think
[00:26:43] in the history of JFK,
[00:26:45] taken somebody off of an airplane that had
[00:26:48] already left the
[00:26:49] gate,
[00:26:54] so at this point we have to take care of what's going on in New
[00:26:57] Haven, we want to do it smart and safe, because
[00:27:01] that place could be wired. "bombtex go ahead and they start clearing
[00:27:05] for hazards, trip wires, booby traps, and then
[00:27:08] that's passed back to the command post going, all right, we're
[00:27:12] good,
[00:27:21] and then you got the three suits from you, the
[00:27:24] joint terrorism task force who then take him into
[00:27:27] a room to begin the interview, and again
[00:27:31] this is not supposed to be..." um a miranded interview, the interview
[00:27:34] basically is public safety, and I said to the agent and the
[00:27:38] detectives, do not mirandize him, I want him to wave
[00:27:41] presentment to the courts, I want him to wave the
[00:27:44] attorney, I want him to wave uh um
[00:27:47] everything he can, and that he wants to speak to us
[00:27:51] in private, and he goes, they go back in, they said, yep, he
[00:27:55] does, and by the way, we kind of can't shut him up, he keeps wanting to tell us
[00:27:59] what's going on, so we have the home runner ready, we have the human.
[00:28:02] being we have the parts that we believe is associated with, all this does is
[00:28:06] now put that final nail in a coffin and put the final happy birthday
[00:28:09] fizel, we got you on the cake for for the prosecutor to go, we've
[00:28:13] got our guy and there's no doubt in anyone who's eye, suspect
[00:28:17] is now in custody and is being questioned, the
[00:28:21] American people can be assured that the FBI and their partners in this
[00:28:25] process have all the tools and experience they need to learn everything we
[00:28:28] can, and that includes what if any connection uh
[00:28:33] this individual has to terrorist
[00:28:34] groups.
[00:28:42] Shazad surprised the New York courtroom telling a judge that he wanted to
[00:28:46] plead guilty during what was expected to be routine
[00:28:48] arraignment. He said he would plead guilty in 100 times more.
[00:29:18] 53 hours from the lighting the fuse
[00:29:21] to being under arrest, uh the fact
[00:29:25] that the JTTF worked the way it did, it
[00:29:28] was as it should be.