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[00:01:12] Good morning with Thei Mavragani. Every
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[00:01:42] Konstantinos Filis is here with us, good morning Konstantine.
[00:01:46] Let's go back to Manolis Kostidis to see him again in our window
[00:01:50] and our friend tells me here Manolis, look,
[00:01:53] where you are now, it's the only place in the world that
[00:01:56] has a mosque, a church and... a
[00:02:00] synagogue, so you learn he says, where you are now,
[00:02:04] side by side by side, he means, exactly,
[00:02:07] almost 15 meters apart, where else would you see this, you
[00:02:11] don't see this anywhere, and in and in and in the Asian
[00:02:15] bank in Kuzuncuk, Giannis Timizo will tell you, and it's the
[00:02:18] same there and the most romantic spots in the city, Makis
[00:02:22] tells me here, our friend, well, now
[00:02:25] Dimitris, I was sure the
[00:02:29] message had come.
[00:02:46] literally two churches, Orthodox and Catholic, what are you talking about, man,
[00:02:50] okay, they don't fight
[00:02:51] among themselves.
[00:02:54] Yes, yes, yes, we do, and you really see it, you
[00:02:57] follow it.
[00:03:00] We also have a professor now who will enlighten us even more
[00:03:04] and what else do we want, let's go, let's go, let's go now to see,
[00:03:06] Constantine, what's happening here, what are we doing? We have started
[00:03:10] a little quiet, guys, in the control room, they also have a romantic
[00:03:14] mood in the control room, I hear, but I won't say anything. So, let's say
[00:03:17] a word first of all about how we are influenced a little by American things and all that,
[00:03:21] how our relationships are influenced, if they are influenced and in which direction, so we can then move on to our
[00:03:25] own here, we are influenced if we are to be positively influenced,
[00:03:29] indeed. Is there any negative
[00:03:32] impact on the horizon from the
[00:03:35] result? President Trump invested in his relationship with Erdogan and
[00:03:38] Tumbalin, a relationship which is personal and
[00:03:41] transactional, which ignored Congress,
[00:03:45] anyway, President Trump has ignored Congress until
[00:03:48] today, but Greece has a strong
[00:03:52] advantage, the fact that there is bipartisan
[00:03:55] support for Greek positions
[00:03:59] and the role of Greece in relation to the United States, this
[00:04:03] will not only not change, but will be strengthened, let's say
[00:04:06] that during Trump's first and second
[00:04:10] term, the developments around the
[00:04:14] Greek-Turkish relations were not negative, meaning Trump may have
[00:04:17] glorified Erdogan many times, he said yesterday, sir, what you are saying now,
[00:04:21] Constantine, and he will be here soon, that we did not lose during Trump's period, as
[00:04:24] Greece, it is, it is, it is correct in what sense, that
[00:04:28] Trump may have said many annoying things for us about Erdogan, glorifying him
[00:04:31] publicly, they may communicate very
[00:04:35] frequently, something that does not happen with the Greek Prime Minister, there may
[00:04:39] be communication between the foreign ministers as well, but at the end
[00:04:42] of the day, regarding the content or at least
[00:04:46] regarding the matter at hand, we do not see Turkey having
[00:04:48] benefited, despite Trump's desire, I do
[00:04:52] not believe that Trump would not have wanted to help his friend
[00:04:55] Erdogan, but there are certain limitations, of course, some
[00:04:59] collateral situations,
[00:05:01] let's say, have happened in relation to the Syrian
[00:05:04] Kurds, whom the Americans abandoned for the umpteenth
[00:05:07] time, but Trump is not the first American president to do it, or
[00:05:11] issues that have to do with Turkey's stance towards
[00:05:14] Israel, but in purely Greek-Turkish relations or more broadly in the
[00:05:17] Eastern Mediterranean, we do not see any particularly
[00:05:20] negative impact for us or positive for Turkey during the Trump period, let
[00:05:24] me remind you that even if someone says that we have taken so many
[00:05:28] missile systems, why should he be with us if we haven't seen it
[00:05:31] so far, from now on things will be
[00:05:35] even better for Greece, meaning if
[00:05:38] with his own Congress these things didn't happen, now with the
[00:05:42] Democrats it will be even
[00:05:45] more difficult for her. Manoli, we've been discussing
[00:05:48] this for years, the structural problem regarding
[00:05:52] the F-35s is not the Americans, it's Turkey
[00:05:56] and Erdogan's insistence on not withdrawing the S400s, what can
[00:05:59] we do, it's a strategic mistake by Erdogan, which Turkey is
[00:06:03] still paying for today, paying for it in money, paying for it in diplomatic
[00:06:07] capital, paying for it in the loss of the F-35s, their
[00:06:10] own problem, but beyond that. If this were to change
[00:06:14] under any circumstances, even under a Democratic Congress, we could
[00:06:18] not rule out Turkey's return to the
[00:06:21] F-35 program, but the main problem is the
[00:06:25] S400s. However, the truth is that Democrats
[00:06:28] deal more with human rights, and President
[00:06:32] Erdogan had the wind in his sails these last two years, having against him a
[00:06:36] Trump who gave no importance to these things, he almost
[00:06:39] didn't publicly approve him, and I remind you. Imamoglu, whom
[00:06:43] we have forgotten that there was a mayor of Istanbul who is in prison,
[00:06:47] I remind you of the commissioner in the main opposition party, Erdogan
[00:06:51] who essentially wants to choose his opponent. There have been
[00:06:54] huge deviations of Turkey from the rule of law,
[00:06:57] if there ever was rule of law in Turkey, and this is something that
[00:07:00] Democrats can more easily identify and
[00:07:04] highlight.
[00:07:06] We have a big pending issue and I think we should mention it for the cable. I don't
[00:07:10] know now if all these things that they have are combined
[00:07:13] with what our pending issue is, Mr. Venizelos said something interesting yesterday
[00:07:16] about the cable, that it is not a substitute for Greek-Turkish relations, that
[00:07:20] is, he implies that an energy project will not
[00:07:24] automatically solve our problems with our neighbors, here
[00:07:28] where we are now, nor should it create more
[00:07:30] problems for us, we must also listen to Turkey's positions, he also
[00:07:34] added something, we heard Greece's positions at the UN,
[00:07:38] he says, but let's also look at Turkey's
[00:07:41] positions, that is. that is,
[00:07:50] they say some things that many times some people
[00:07:54] don't like, but they have
[00:07:56] governed, they have seen some things and they are telling the truth, the
[00:08:00] most important thing is that you understand them, they are
[00:08:03] understandable,
[00:08:05] it is the rational school of thought, let me say about the
[00:08:09] cable, about the cable we have the following.
[00:08:12] First, logically, next
[00:08:15] week we will have the issuance of the Navtex, there are
[00:08:19] three ministries involved, there is an inter-ministerial committee under the
[00:08:22] Ministry of Foreign Affairs where there is information for the
[00:08:26] involved parties, what needs to happen
[00:08:29] is to address the Ministry
[00:08:32] of Shipping because there must be an
[00:08:36] exception for the ship because it will
[00:08:39] be within Greek territorial waters. Then
[00:08:42] outside Greek territorial waters, so the exception is because this ship
[00:08:46] must operate in territorial waters which are sovereign, anyway,
[00:08:50] let's not get involved with the details, Ministry of
[00:08:53] Shipping goes back to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs,
[00:08:56] it is submitted to the Hydrographic Service for the issuance of the
[00:09:00] Navtex and the Minister of Foreign Affairs signs the issuance of the Navtex, all
[00:09:03] of this can be coordinated and
[00:09:06] done, I would say, by next Wednesday, but let's say next week.
[00:09:10] The request was submitted on
[00:09:14] October 8th and it's November today, there is no
[00:09:18] reason for this delay a month later, but I want to believe that next
[00:09:22] week we will have its issuance from then
[00:09:24] on, there is no reason to
[00:09:28] twist the screwdriver or the knife in anyone's wound, nor
[00:09:31] to point a finger, because some want to raise their middle finger too,
[00:09:35] we have no reason to go there, while in relation to Turkey,
[00:09:39] keep the ball low, we will do the job. The
[00:09:43] job will be done, the cable will proceed, the sovereign
[00:09:46] rights of Greece and Cyprus will in no way be questioned, the company will
[00:09:50] submit a request for the issuance of a Navtex in Greece, as it has
[00:09:53] also submitted one in Cyprus subsequently, there is no possibility of
[00:09:56] any request for permission being submitted to Turkey, but there is also
[00:10:00] no reason for us to celebrate publicly, I repeat, let's
[00:10:03] lower the tones and this applies to all
[00:10:07] directions, from the highest to us. It
[00:10:10] is
[00:10:29] a
[00:10:33] project that will potentially connect in the future not only Cyprus but also Israel with
[00:10:37] Europe, and because it will be bidirectional, so I want to
[00:10:39] say, there is no issue here regarding
[00:10:43] support, the last thing I want to say, the
[00:10:46] ship will start its surveys
[00:10:49] southeast of Karpathos, indeed, well, beyond
[00:10:52] the six nautical miles that are.
[00:10:56] the route it will follow is to Cyprus and it will return from
[00:11:00] Cyprus and the time period estimated for this is
[00:11:04] three to four months for the surveys to be done before the laying, we are talking
[00:11:08] now, the laying will follow, the laying will follow,
[00:11:11] Dimitris and Giannis, logically, either at the end of this year or at the beginning
[00:11:15] of 28, so this is the situation with the cable. So
[00:11:19] there is no reason to raise the
[00:11:22] tones for a project that will happen. For a project that has European
[00:11:26] support, which has American support, which has the support of
[00:11:29] Israel and which will be done in the right way,
[00:11:32] without me asking a question, can I ask
[00:11:35] a question?
[00:11:37] Mr. Filis, I want to ask you the following, next
[00:11:41] year Greece completes the program of the modernization of the
[00:11:44] F-16s and immediately after come the F-35s, make
[00:11:48] us a prediction, will Turkey under these
[00:11:51] conditions, with Congress as it is, with Trump weaker.
[00:11:55] Is there a chance that it will get F-35s soon, meaning
[00:11:59] to catch up with Greece in both F-16s and F-35s
[00:12:02] and all these things it's trying to get now? Even if tomorrow,
[00:12:06] Manoli, because F-35s are not chewing gum, they have to be put
[00:12:10] on a production line. So, other
[00:12:13] orders come first. Even if tomorrow Turkey miraculously
[00:12:17] solved the issue with the S400s and Congress could
[00:12:20] be convinced and override two laws, not
[00:12:23] one American. The F35s in Turkey will not arrive before
[00:12:27] 2032. Greece has air
[00:12:30] superiority over Turkey and let's stay there, we don't need to say anything
[00:12:34] more.
[00:12:37] Let's go now to Odos Sipanou because we have a video documentary here about attacks that
[00:12:40] happened with orders from inside prison in cafes, we
[00:12:44] saw these in the previous period and we
[00:12:47] were saying it here on this show that the
[00:12:50] attacks have been ordered, the
[00:12:54] people. These from inside the prison, the shocking thing though is, as
[00:12:58] revealed by the extensive investigation of the
[00:13:01] extortion department of the Greek FBI, the orders given by the
[00:13:04] alleged leader of the Albanian mafia from inside the prisons
[00:13:08] of a part of the Albanian mafia, do you know what he was saying? I want
[00:13:11] innocent people too, to cause them the greatest damage for the shopkeepers,
[00:13:15] that is, and innocent people to cause greater
[00:13:18] damage, the motive, we also see here how
[00:13:22] protection is done, the motive and not only. Primarily the
[00:13:25] trafficking of drugs. I have thoroughly
[00:13:28] asked whether the investigation has also extended to this
[00:13:32] strange bag with drugs and the explosive device recently in
[00:13:36] Kolonos where the two police officers were injured when one put his
[00:13:39] hand on it, the device was remote-controlled. So far,
[00:13:43] the investigation does not seem to touch this
[00:13:46] part. Instead, it is about the explosions in the
[00:13:49] shops, for the umpteenth time this particular person is
[00:13:53] again accused.
[00:14:00] Gentlemen, they raided his cell recently and this man had
[00:14:04] even put a wedge so they couldn't open the
[00:14:07] door. It seems that this man in prison is giving very big
[00:14:11] orders, real orders, of course, what are the others doing outside?
[00:14:15] What are the ones outside doing? Yes, they are implementing them. Well, for
[00:14:18] now, the police are doing their job, they are getting the
[00:14:22] people.
[00:14:30] Let's greet Mrs. Bakoyianni who came to join us, good morning
[00:14:33] to you, welcome, Mrs. Bakoyianni, I hear she is preparing big
[00:14:37] things with the book which she will present in December, December
[00:14:40] 10th they present the book, who will present it, we will see
[00:14:44] that, we don't need to see it now, we know it, guys, it's
[00:14:47] already the 10th, she will have revelations
[00:14:50] in this book, what, what will this be, your whole
[00:14:54] journey. Will this book be in reality? A book of
[00:14:58] autobiography, it cannot not have revealed
[00:15:01] something, since it will be autobiographical
[00:15:03] and things, you will certainly provoke some and
[00:15:07] you will tease some, some will be annoyed by it, I don't tease
[00:15:09] anyone, it is a true, let's
[00:15:13] say, recording of what
[00:15:16] I lived. What do you see there on the panel? Is there
[00:15:20] a chance? I don't see anything yet, you can't say anything, okay, we'll
[00:15:24] leave it for later.
[00:15:28] Let's go to current events, Minister, to decode what
[00:15:32] happened in America, to Hellenize it rather, well
[00:15:36] if we don't Hellenize it.
[00:15:40] So what do you say here, how much does this concern us, what happened in the United
[00:15:43] States? First of all, it concerns the whole world, it's no coincidence
[00:15:47] that yesterday, the day before yesterday, I was telling
[00:15:50] Nikos Chatsinikolaou on the show, I have
[00:15:54] never been invited in the last 30 years to
[00:15:57] a panel for midterm elections,
[00:16:00] always for presidential elections,
[00:16:02] but why was there this global
[00:16:06] interest? Because the question would be if the Democrats
[00:16:09] would be able to control Congress and the Senate and
[00:16:13] from then on to have in some way
[00:16:16] a brake on Trump, that was the
[00:16:20] essence and that's why the whole world was on
[00:16:23] edge. The results showed two
[00:16:26] things: first that the people went and
[00:16:29] voted against Trump, meaning they went and
[00:16:32] voted against him, they massively stood up and
[00:16:35] voted against Trump, they voted against him because
[00:16:38] he refused him, meaning even the Republicans
[00:16:42] who went and voted against him, they voted against him because, but
[00:16:46] he told them, he told them that he would not start any war, he told them that he would lower
[00:16:49] prices, etc., instead he started
[00:16:52] a war, he did not end the war in Ukraine, prices
[00:16:56] went up because of the war, he paid, he says here, the two
[00:16:59] sevens, the 7% interest rate on mortgages and the
[00:17:02] $7 a gallon,
[00:17:05] but we in Europe, people may
[00:17:09] curse their governments for the
[00:17:11] high cost of living, but they know very well that they
[00:17:15] can't do anything , we're not discussing that, yes, I mean
[00:17:18] the famous Mitsotakis austerity, people
[00:17:21] know that it's not Mitsotakis austerity, it's Trump
[00:17:24] austerity, the Americans who had Trump and could do something, they
[00:17:28] did it. Have you seen statements here from politicians,
[00:17:32] domestic politicians since yesterday, they completely Hellenize the
[00:17:35] result and say that this also concerns us. Here, your government's
[00:17:38] message about the economy, about the standard of living, about the
[00:17:42] fake dilemmas, about the blackmail, about a series
[00:17:44] of issues, I make this superficial, or if
[00:17:47] you want, this
[00:17:50] oppositional analysis, I say
[00:17:54] that for me Americans knew that
[00:17:57] oil prices rose due to the war in
[00:18:00] Iran, who started the war in Iran? Trump, so
[00:18:04] they voted Trump out, here. If
[00:18:08] they vote for Androulakis or Tsipras, nobody believes
[00:18:11] that Tsipras or Androulakis will open the Strait of Hormuz
[00:18:15] or solve the problem of Iran, do you
[00:18:18] understand what I mean? People are not fools, people know very
[00:18:22] well who and where can do something, they tell you, even as a government, you should
[00:18:26] not have weapons, we also have weapons here, and the government between
[00:18:30] has money, it also collects that we are one of the very few
[00:18:33] European governments which today subsidize.
[00:18:41] How much we will be able to do it, I don't know
[00:18:44] and here he will tell us this, you will ask, but
[00:18:47] how much he will be able to do it, I don't know, what I certainly know
[00:18:51] is that today Trump held consecutive
[00:18:54] meetings yesterday away from journalists, he is
[00:18:58] thinking very seriously about what he will do, that is, my
[00:19:02] assessment, I may be wrong, but my assessment
[00:19:05] is that Trump will do everything to end the war now, I wish,
[00:19:09] that is, he has understood, he will work, you say, you also say for Trump's legacy
[00:19:12] from now on because he has two years left, it's not a big legacy
[00:19:16] for him, but in any case, to be able to pass what
[00:19:20] he wants, the essence
[00:19:23] is that, as I read things
[00:19:26] today and after Vance's statement
[00:19:30] yesterday, who clearly blamed the
[00:19:34] war, I believe he will do everything he can, I wish.
[00:19:37] To end the war now, how will he end it, because there is no good
[00:19:41] solution, no good solution, there is no good solution to end
[00:19:44] this war, there isn't, but in any
[00:19:47] case, he is Trump, he will call fish
[00:19:49] meat. Here, meat fish, regarding the high prices,
[00:19:53] let's go to the Greek issues because the tones here have risen to very
[00:19:56] high levels, sir, okay, it's terrible, I mean, we heard yesterday
[00:20:00] the, it made a big impression on me, this phrase
[00:20:03] "shut up" that the Greek left coalition said yesterday.
[00:20:07] Look, it's also undemocratic to some extent, to tell someone else not to speak,
[00:20:11] I, because I want
[00:20:14] to say it, because I lost my temper a month, 15 days ago
[00:20:18] in Chania and
[00:20:21] I really made a mistake, I'm sorry,
[00:20:24] of course, because you shouldn't lose your temper, I sat for 3.5
[00:20:28] exactly why
[00:20:30] you sat there and I have, I also have the reputation of a calm
[00:20:34] person, but I really sat for 3.5 hours. I was listening
[00:20:38] and when I tried to present a
[00:20:41] huge project that will be done for the Chania hospital, I lost my
[00:20:45] temper and I truly apologize and it was
[00:20:47] a mistake,
[00:20:49] but. For an official announcement to be made
[00:20:53] by a party with this
[00:20:55] vocabulary shows two things,
[00:20:58] I think, first that they have a bit
[00:21:02] lost it and we now have
[00:21:05] two parties which are
[00:21:08] competing and competing in the same space in
[00:21:11] toxicity, in what, in toxicity, meaning from now
[00:21:14] on we will have a
[00:21:18] competition, who
[00:21:21] will say the biggest insult, will Androulakis say it or will
[00:21:24] Tsipras say it?
[00:21:28] Both, politically now I want to say, both are targeting
[00:21:31] to the left,
[00:21:34] because the behavior of Androulakis in
[00:21:37] parliament has disappointed me very much, Piarakakis will tell you the
[00:21:41] rest, no, they're talking nonsense,
[00:21:43] but it has disappointed me very much on the issue of
[00:21:47] foreign policy, because.
[00:21:52] There's no brake there either, and that's very important. I mean, we
[00:21:56] Greeks are very few to
[00:21:59] for issues on which we all essentially agree. Look, we
[00:22:02] all agree, right? The defense of Greece's sovereignty,
[00:22:06] of our sovereign rights, there's no issue, so these also get mixed up,
[00:22:10] criticism could have been made in a
[00:22:13] much more serious and responsible way, but
[00:22:17] they're also raising the stakes there, talking about defeats here and.
[00:22:22] But that's what I'm saying, that this is something that does not
[00:22:26] harm New Democracy because New Democracy's strong card, if
[00:22:29] you will, is national issues, it doesn't
[00:22:32] affect it, it affects the level of
[00:22:35] politics and the message to the outside world. This is Mr.
[00:22:39] Tsipras's personal choice, this whole shift
[00:22:42] of Mr. Tsipras, that is, Tsipras started and said this famous phrase
[00:22:46] "arch-priest of corruption" for Mitsotakis.
[00:22:50] Why is he doing this? Is it a poll-related issue? What is it? Is it substantive? Is it a poll-related
[00:22:53] issue? Is he trying to become again? The other profile didn't work for him,
[00:22:57] the new profile didn't work for him, and from then on
[00:23:00] he changed and became himself
[00:23:03] because he was basically awkward with the new
[00:23:07] profile, he couldn't handle it, he didn't know
[00:23:10] how to serve it, you know, how everyone is themselves, you can't
[00:23:14] after 20 years of politics become something
[00:23:17] else, he tried that. He made the
[00:23:20] effort to be calm, you say it didn't work out and he's gone back to his old ways
[00:23:24] now. But what New Democracy has brought up is the change of the criminal codes of
[00:23:27] 2019 and is asking for answers from Mr. Tsipras, accusing him of
[00:23:31] serving interests then, other ministers say
[00:23:34] he also took money. What is true here? Why has New Democracy brought this up so much?
[00:23:38] New Democracy isn't bringing it up, New Democracy is provoked, yes, if they
[00:23:42] call you literally
[00:23:45] the arch-priest of corruption, you're provoked if for eight
[00:23:49] years.
[00:23:53] He has been prime minister for 8 years, he makes 20 decisions a
[00:23:56] day and someone finds something in these
[00:24:00] 20 decisions,
[00:24:03] goes to the prosecutor and says Mr. Mitsotakis did this,
[00:24:06] when for 8 years you haven't found anything, it means
[00:24:10] that, sir, at least don't play this
[00:24:13] card, play something else, you have something to say, for God's
[00:24:16] sake, this government, if you want to criticize it. You
[00:24:20] can criticize it a lot, you can criticize it, but
[00:24:23] when you reach this level 6 months before the elections,
[00:24:27] you understand what awaits us,
[00:24:31] and you want me to tell you what the message is, I am now following the various discussions on
[00:24:35] television, because as you know I am obsessed
[00:24:38] with the topic, I
[00:24:41] watch it and then I turn it off, television, really,
[00:24:45] I mean the intensity, yes, the fights,
[00:24:48] yes, my child,
[00:25:00] we had amazing discussions back then with 60%
[00:25:03] viewership, but our discussions were discussions, they
[00:25:07] weren't dogfights, okay, obviously people
[00:25:11] don't want this dogfight, in my opinion,
[00:25:14] yes, and I think that parties are making a mistake, it's just the
[00:25:18] competition now and the... which you also provoke in them,
[00:25:22] because you do what you can, but it's not our fault that you tell them, you are
[00:25:25] second, you are third,
[00:25:29] do you predict who will be second? Tsipras is for
[00:25:33] now, but PASOK is starting to bite, what do
[00:25:35] you see? Look, I believe that PASOK has many more cadres than
[00:25:39] Tsipras and more serious cadres than
[00:25:42] Tsipras and if they had some brains and
[00:25:46] followed the permanent line, because to return to foreign
[00:25:49] policy. PASOK always had two tendencies: the
[00:25:53] so-called patriotic populist PASOK, do
[00:25:56] you remember the old era, the era of sentiment,
[00:25:59] yes, and the serious PASOK in foreign policy.
[00:26:02] The serious PASOK of foreign policy that Pangalos,
[00:26:06] George Papandreou, Evangelos Venizelos etc.,
[00:26:09] served, eh, at
[00:26:12] this moment it is in the forgotten in
[00:26:16] PASOK, and the danger is that
[00:26:19] they will enter a populism
[00:26:22] competition in foreign policy, which for a
[00:26:25] serious party is fatal. That's
[00:26:29] why you say, I saw a statement yesterday regarding the
[00:26:33] yellow cards of the commission to Turkey for the
[00:26:36] Turkish-Libyan, for the casus etc. and from PASOK they say that at some
[00:26:39] point the commission will also have to come out and impose sanctions on
[00:26:42] Turkey, not just findings,
[00:26:45] sanctions, financial,
[00:26:48] economic, yes, all these are not
[00:26:51] isolated, that is, we say let's impose
[00:26:55] sanctions, as we say let's impose sanctions on Libya today,
[00:26:58] isn't it, on the other hand we have 2 million sitting in Libya.
[00:27:03] Correct and waiting for migrants and about 4
[00:27:06] million in Turkey. You take all these into account
[00:27:10] in foreign policy. You don't spout slogans
[00:27:14] if you are a serious party. And because we did this job
[00:27:17] for many years, we were always very
[00:27:20] careful. And if we managed
[00:27:23] then with Bucharest to have
[00:27:26] a unanimous parliament of Greeks, it was
[00:27:29] precisely because we were lucky. from
[00:27:32] each side to be serious people who
[00:27:36] did not put on the table the issues of
[00:27:40] foreign policy, it has a very great importance, the cable will
[00:27:43] be done, Mr. Philis told you earlier,
[00:27:47] but Mr. Venizelos said a very serious word yesterday and I want to repeat it
[00:27:51] here on Sky he said, let's not
[00:27:54] get confused, the cable is an issue on which, according
[00:27:57] to international law, we are absolutely right,
[00:28:01] there is no issue,
[00:28:05] our other issue is with Turkey, our issue with
[00:28:08] Turkey is our continental shelf and
[00:28:11] EEZ, that's where we need to insist, that's what we need to
[00:28:15] solve, thank you very much madam, let's go
[00:28:18] to a break, we'll be back here with Kyriakos Pierrakakis.