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[00:02:50] the news speaks.
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[00:04:34] Let's go find Giannis Haniotakis to tell us what's happening with this flight.
[00:04:38] There are many, the day before yesterday there were seven flights, another incident
[00:04:42] today. Hello Giannis, good morning from Athens.
[00:04:45] Yes, good day to you. We have another incident with a bomb threat on an
[00:04:48] aircraft. This time a flight that
[00:04:52] started from Dublin, Ireland, was destined for
[00:04:56] Rome. However, according to websites, it
[00:05:01] turned back over an area south of
[00:05:05] Paris and is heading towards a military base in
[00:05:08] Normandy with the aim of landing there and carrying out
[00:05:11] all the necessary checks. The incident was confirmed by the
[00:05:15] French Prime Minister's office, which
[00:05:18] announced that it is monitoring in real time the
[00:05:21] development of the case, and of course, this is a threat
[00:05:24] that was added to the approximately seven others that occurred
[00:05:28] this week against
[00:05:31] flights across Europe. Fortunately, no explosive device was found
[00:05:34] in any of these aircraft, but
[00:05:37] in any case, they put European airspace on alert for
[00:05:40] a while.
[00:05:44] Let's go to our own news. Let's find Vika at the Propylaea, where
[00:05:48] in a little while the educational rally is expected to begin.
[00:05:52] Good morning again.
[00:05:54] Good morning, and as you can see, students,
[00:05:57] university students, and teachers are slowly gathering here
[00:06:01] in front of the Propylaea. Let me tell you that at the heart of their demands is the increase of
[00:06:04] funding for education, meaning the support of
[00:06:08] public and free education, the abolition of Article 16.
[00:06:12] Students and pupils demand
[00:06:15] the drafting of plans for school
[00:06:18] and university infrastructures, after the latest
[00:06:22] incidents we had, if you remember, with natural gas, with falling plaster in various
[00:06:25] schools in Greece. They demand a reduction in the number of students per class,
[00:06:29] there are too many students in the class. OLME has also issued
[00:06:32] work stoppages, so that teachers can also
[00:06:36] participate in the rally. As you can see, the roads, the
[00:06:40] road here in front of the
[00:06:42] university, has not closed yet, the subway station, however, is
[00:06:46] closed, it has been closed since 10 o'clock, there is no
[00:06:50] stop here at the subway, they can use either Syntagma or Omonia
[00:06:54] for those who want to move around, we expect to see how the
[00:06:57] mobilization will unfold, from here they will leave and go on a march to
[00:07:01] parliament when they gather. Good day to you, thank you very, very much, we will
[00:07:04] of course follow the all-educational rally, here next to us in the studio is
[00:07:08] Mr. Kostas Katsafados, the Deputy Minister of Climate Crisis and Civil Protection.
[00:07:16] Mr. Katsafados, let me start by saying that we had this incident again for
[00:07:20] yet another time, a phone call about a bomb on an airplane, and I'm talking
[00:07:24] about your capacity in civil protection. We also add to
[00:07:27] this the fact that many governments have now said that for 72
[00:07:31] hours we should be self-sufficient. Is something happening and you need to tell us?
[00:07:34] Look, this is an old directive from long ago, but it is being
[00:07:37] updated. It's an old directive from the European Union.
[00:07:41] I don't think it came out for the first
[00:07:44] time during the COVID period.
[00:07:47] We don't need to create a climate of anxiety among citizens. There is nothing
[00:07:51] alarming that we should be worried about. However,
[00:07:55] you see that many cyberattacks
[00:07:58] are taking place, which is particularly
[00:08:01] worrying, because it creates a big problem in the daily life of citizens and in the functioning
[00:08:05] των κρατών και των επιχειρήσεων, έτσι και στη λειτουργία της κοινωνίας,
[00:08:08] So, states must be as well-fortified as possible
[00:08:12] and more so against all kinds of cyberattacks that they
[00:08:16] may face. We are not going to get a trophy. I didn't say that about
[00:08:20] cyberattacks. I'm saying, apart from cyberattacks, the lady,
[00:08:23] we released a video yesterday with the lady, the commissioner, who
[00:08:27] pulled out her bag and said, "I have a
[00:08:30] can of food, I have a flashlight, for any
[00:08:33] eventuality." Do I have to do it for any eventuality? No, I don't think we need to
[00:08:37] do it. Look, look here, look
[00:08:40] here, obviously we live in an
[00:08:44] era where everything is changing, obviously we live in a very turbulent
[00:08:47] geopolitical period, but there is no particular reason for concern for our
[00:08:51] country at this moment. Indeed, let's go to the political current events, let's start with
[00:08:55] Mr. Christodoulakis. Do you feel a bit like Mr.
[00:08:58] Lafazanis, Mr. Christodoulakis? Not really, to tell
[00:09:01] you the truth, yes, but Mr. Pirrakakis says that, okay, you are preparing for
[00:09:05] the mint. Let's go make money, kids, be safe, we will distribute it even if
[00:09:08] there is a war, it's not necessary.
[00:09:12] To see Pirrakakis on the left, okay, okay, okay.
[00:09:15] You know, come on, I understand the following: the government these
[00:09:19] last few days, whether we like it or not, the objective facts say
[00:09:22] this, that it was caught with its pants down because it remembered after
[00:09:26] seven years the impunity of funds and services. Excuse me, it has been governing
[00:09:30] for 7.5 years and has done absolutely nothing, and instead of doing absolutely nothing,
[00:09:33] on the contrary, we have a record profitability of funds in Greece,
[00:09:36] double compared to the second in the rest of Europe. We have
[00:09:40] increased foreclosures from 21 to 25 by 21.0,
[00:09:44] five times over. So there is a field that until today was
[00:09:48] completely unregulated, and under the pretext of regulation, I will come back to that
[00:09:52] exactly, it brought the so-called Article 23, which says the
[00:09:56] following: that I leave the borrower completely judicially
[00:09:59] unprotected. If he does not pay his installment for a certain number of months, then someone can take his property without
[00:10:03] a court decision. So, it would legislate in favor of funds, you say.
[00:10:06] This article was a pure legislation in favor of
[00:10:10] funds. Fortunately, we did our job in parliament
[00:10:13] and forced them to withdraw it. Excuse me, but no
[00:10:16] government introduces an article in a law that it did not
[00:10:20] want or had not noticed. These things don't happen by mistake. But let me say this about the essence
[00:10:24] of the matter. Because it is really important, because private debt in
[00:10:27] Greece is a critical issue. For every 10€ of private debt, six are
[00:10:31] unregulated. In our country, I can say other statistics, this discussion has no meaning
[00:10:34] for now. But we say this, that the
[00:10:37] real regulation that indeed needs to come,
[00:10:40] incidentally, something that is positive, we vote for it in
[00:10:44] this bill. I close the parenthesis. That is,
[00:10:47] even if something is problematic, if its existence is better than its non-
[00:10:51] existence, we will vote for it. But three basic pillars are missing.
[00:10:55] Three: first, protection of the primary residence. What can
[00:10:58] we do? PASOK legislated it during the years of the crisis,
[00:11:02] and all the others afterwards, from SYRIZA starting to New Democracy, today,
[00:11:06] completely abolished it, and today it is missing as a regulation. Second, mandatory
[00:11:10] participation of the creditor in the out-of-court mechanism.
[00:11:13] Why? Because today the contribution of the out-of-court mechanism is less than
[00:11:16] 10% in an effort to cover up the size of
[00:11:20] non-performing loans. And third, and important, the right of
[00:11:23] preemption. It doesn't work. Your bank chooses, it chooses, no one
[00:11:27] forces it, to sell your loan to a fund, at
[00:11:30] 10%, for pennies, for you to take it later at 300% and some to
[00:11:34] produce excessive profits at
[00:11:37] borrower, and for the borrower not to be able to participate in
[00:11:41] this process. Three obvious and self-evident things that if someone
[00:11:45] really wanted to contribute to the regulation for the benefit
[00:11:48] of borrowers, in the protection of their rights against the funds which
[00:11:51] have had huge profitability all these last years, especially in Greece.
[00:12:12] and in this interest rate of 5.84, it is
[00:12:15] problematic, it is not a real facilitation, and we also raise the issue of reducing
[00:12:18] surcharges, as an
[00:12:21] amendments, because we always back up what we say.
[00:12:33] On the occasion, let me start with the last thing that Mr.
[00:12:35] Christodoulakis said. No, that was the first
[00:12:38] question, sir, but
[00:12:41] to confirm that they are leaning towards Lafazanism,
[00:12:45] ah, they are leaning then. Starting with the last thing that Mr. Christodoulakis said, what
[00:12:49] did he say? He said something very easy, something very nice, something very
[00:12:52] simple, and something that we all
[00:12:56] would want to happen. What was that? That every
[00:12:59] borrower should be able to participate in the acquisition of their loan
[00:13:03] by a fund and acquire it themselves. To be precise, the last thing he
[00:13:07] said was also the 120, the second to last thing. So, to be precise,
[00:13:11] regarding the second to last thing,
[00:13:14] it's something that may sound
[00:13:17] very nice, but under this logic, no borrower will extend
[00:13:21] their loan, not one. No, that's not true. I'll answer.
[00:13:29] And that's why it's not implemented. Look here. This government, from
[00:13:32] 2019 until today, has proceeded with
[00:13:35] a series of legislative interventions. In this
[00:13:38] bill that we are discussing today. So what Mr.
[00:13:42] Koustodoulakis said, that he did nothing and waited 7.5 years, is not true. In this
[00:13:45] bill there are 16 provisions. 16
[00:13:49] provisions, eight in favor of the borrowers and another
[00:13:53] eight to limit. the services, which are
[00:13:56] all, absolutely all, for the benefit of all people
[00:14:00] who have loans, whether they can service them or cannot
[00:14:04] service them. Beyond that, this specific
[00:14:07] legislation, which we all members of parliament will be called
[00:14:10] to vote on by raising our hands today at 2:00 p.m., has
[00:14:14] specific issues. The first has to do with the
[00:14:17] fact that from now on, the advance payment that
[00:14:21] a citizen will give for their loan will not exceed.
[00:14:25] 15%. We had up to 50% and over 50%
[00:14:28] until today, speaking of which, 23 was
[00:14:31] problematic. The second look at why you withdrew
[00:14:35] it. Regarding, I heard later that it was very good but you
[00:14:38] withdrew it, very good why the one that has to do, Mr.
[00:14:42] Koutra, with Article 23, again what Mr.
[00:14:45] Hroustodoulakis said is not true, it was not for all
[00:14:48] borrowers, it was for borrowers who had
[00:14:51] pre-agreed with the fund that they would be able to enter
[00:14:55] this process. It was not for all borrowers, however,
[00:14:58] because it created some ambiguities,
[00:15:00] rightly so, and it created some
[00:15:04] ambiguities, the government did the right thing and removed it, and it's not the first time, nor
[00:15:08] the only time, nor the first
[00:15:10] time.
[00:15:13] So, it's not the first time, nor the only time. Beyond
[00:15:16] that, at this moment the government is coming and offering
[00:15:19] substantial solutions. We are not completely solving the problem, the problem cannot be completely solved.
[00:15:23] We are coming and offering.
[00:15:38] Finally, does VAT pass on to consumers, or can the reduction of VAT pass on to products or
[00:15:42] not? Because I'm confused. It passes very difficultly, it passes, but history
[00:15:45] has shown that it passes very difficultly. So why don't you do something else?
[00:15:49] And the reality, sir, is
[00:15:52] that we are trying to also
[00:15:55] have a reduced VAT regime in the islands of the northern
[00:15:58] Aegean. It has not passed. We are trying to create a
[00:16:01] mix of economic policy using various
[00:16:05] tools and trying to find various.
[00:16:38] Just to not leave any gaps, listen, if I have a loan with a
[00:16:41] bank, I get the loan from the bank, I get it with the fund, I have a contract with the bank,
[00:16:45] right? If the bank does not want to sell my
[00:16:48] loan, the contract I have with the bank applies, so I have an obligation to
[00:16:52] pay my loan regularly with the contract I signed. The
[00:16:56] conversation we are having, we are having it in the case that the
[00:16:59] bank itself, on its own, without anyone absolutely pressuring it,
[00:17:03] decides to sell my loan to the fund. That's where we have the
[00:17:07] conversation. We say that if you sell it to the fund at
[00:17:11] 10% of its value, I should be able to
[00:17:14] get it at 12%. Who wins and
[00:17:17] who loses? The bank gains 2% more, so we are not
[00:17:20] playing with the financial stability of the country, right? The borrower
[00:17:23] wins and gets it at 12%, while at
[00:17:26] 300%, do you know who loses the installment?
[00:17:29] Do you know who loses? The one who would have sold it at
[00:17:32] 300% and now the fund loses it. Are we okay with the
[00:17:36] fund losing it? Are we okay? You mean, we're not discussing it. I just want to ask
[00:17:39] you something, one minute, I want to ask you something, if all
[00:17:43] the loans turn red now, loans, I'm saying something very simple, Mr.
[00:17:46] Koutra, I have a contract with the bank, I have a contract,
[00:17:50] if the bank, if the bank does not sell it, I have my
[00:17:54] obligations towards the bank, whatever is described by the
[00:17:56] contract. If you don't pay it, the
[00:18:00] bank, when the loan turns red, you know
[00:18:03] financially now, as soon as the loan turns red,
[00:18:17] it only has obligations, it's wrong. During Syriza, 18 to
[00:18:20] 20 billion loans were sold and today it has skyrocketed and we say that this
[00:18:23] is wrong
[00:18:25] for
[00:18:29] democracy and PASOK, sir, to
[00:18:31] give. We say that in cases of conditions or
[00:18:34] circumstances of heightened pressure, there
[00:18:38] should be a mechanism so that temporarily and not
[00:18:42] permanently, for certain basic goods that everyone needs
[00:18:45] to live, there is a reduction in VAT so that
[00:18:49] these prices are eased and the citizen who will go to
[00:18:52] the store is relieved. Listen to us, New Democracy used to tell us
[00:18:56] that, "Kids, the reason we don't bring this measure is that it can't be passed on to
[00:19:00] consumption, the final price." Yes,
[00:19:03] yesterday New Democracy was celebrating because
[00:19:10] it reduced it. We say to zero it. It reduced it well, okay.
[00:19:13] They did well. But I have a question, excuse me, how does
[00:19:17] it pass there and in basic goods in the supermarket it doesn't pass? And you put it
[00:19:20] very correctly, how is the reduced VAT not only in the
[00:19:24] northern Aegean islands, but also in the islands that are under tourist pressure?
[00:19:27] It passes and in mainland Greece it doesn't pass. Is this
[00:19:31] VAT partisan? Is it
[00:19:33] geographical? Does it prefer certain products? What
[00:20:07] doesn't happen with slogans,
[00:20:09] you made a, I didn't interrupt you, allow me, I didn't interrupt you,
[00:20:13] so, you asked a question, you asked a question to Mr.
[00:20:16] Christodoulakis and you said something very simple, if what
[00:20:20] PASOK wants us to adopt passes, no citizen,
[00:20:23] no matter what, no citizen will
[00:20:26] service their loan, immediately they will turn red and immediately they will look and Mr.
[00:20:29] throws the ball, it's not true.
[00:20:33] Leave it, let's go, sir.
[00:20:37] Sir, let me ask you something, hand on heart now,
[00:20:41] you have the ability, you are a borrower, I haven't taken
[00:20:44] a housing loan, but let's say I take a housing loan, yes, and I have the
[00:20:48] ability to default on the...
[00:21:31] and you understand that politics is not always a pleasant process, but
[00:21:35] you have a duty to the citizens and to the country. This is what
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[00:21:40] does.
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