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[00:00:00] and I note this, uh Tierias, we know in which
[00:00:04] uh, everyone knows in which it is in the place of origin of
[00:00:08] Fyrunidis, after all, it is his place, the
[00:00:11] specific one which this police officer serves
[00:00:15] even now as we speak because we have information from the police, no
[00:00:18] criminal prosecution has been brought, so he remains in the force. The
[00:00:22] case has been taken over by the Anti-Corruption Prosecutor's Office.
[00:00:26] This specific person seems to have had the following involvement.
[00:00:31] What does it mean? He would type when
[00:00:33] he saw a suspicious vehicle moving in the area,
[00:00:37] especially when they started to realize that they were being looked for, he would type
[00:00:41] license plates into the police systems and see who
[00:00:44] that license plate belonged to. We know what he does.
[00:00:47] There are electronic footprints that remain
[00:00:50] exactly, right, George. He also placed bets that
[00:00:54] Fyrunidis sent, his best man received, so he would tell his best man, "This
[00:00:58] match is a sure thing, bet on it." The police officer would go in,
[00:01:01] bet, as the information says, last
[00:01:04] summer, and people who saw them tell us this. We are talking about
[00:01:08] a very small community where everyone knows
[00:01:12] everyone. They caused a lot of trouble with their lavish lifestyle, both the
[00:01:16] best man, the police officer, and Fyrunidis. So what is
[00:01:19] the issue here? To prove if he
[00:01:22] ultimately knew everything and did not report it, even if he was not part of the
[00:01:26] structure of the organization, he
[00:01:29] seems to have had a complete picture that
[00:01:32] dozens of people were being deceived here, who, as we told
[00:01:35] you before, are slowly starting to take legal action, but
[00:01:38] he did not report anything. Who? A police officer, we say again.
[00:01:42] All of this that we are describing to you. So let's go to Mr. Fotiadis. Mr.
[00:01:46] Fotiadis knows quite a few things. He knows
[00:01:50] at least the people. I don't know. I will ask you this classic graphic
[00:01:54] question that journalists ask, Mr. Fotiadis, if with all this
[00:01:57] you said, "Oh my, we are falling from the sky," or not.
[00:02:02] I can't say that I was shocked,
[00:02:05] yes, why? I can't say that I was shocked,
[00:02:08] why? Because,
[00:02:10] you know, when you see a sudden
[00:02:13] enrichment, and when, let's say, some things,
[00:02:17] you know, are known in a small community, you don't get
[00:02:20] shocked.
[00:02:23] Of course, uh, these things were known
[00:02:26] for years, that is, that is this...
[00:02:32] wait, let's clarify this. It's one thing
[00:02:36] to see some people in the local
[00:02:39] community suddenly have a lot of
[00:02:42] money and live a luxurious life, and it's another
[00:02:46] thing to hear that the
[00:02:49] organization they have set up, supposedly
[00:02:52] helping children, is a scam. Did you have
[00:02:55] indications of this?
[00:02:58] The indication I had
[00:03:00] was this: about two years ago, about 1.5 to two
[00:03:03] years ago, someone from the village approached me,
[00:03:07] who asked me a question, which, let's
[00:03:10] say, from then on I started to, yes, uh, he
[00:03:13] says, "You too," he says, "you are president," he says, "of an association, of
[00:03:17] an NGO in Moldova, you run, you struggle, why," he says, "do you not have this culture," he says, "why do you not have this
[00:03:21] comfort, to come with a Porsche
[00:03:24] Cayenne, to come with one, to come with the other car, to change, to do?" I
[00:03:28] say, "What do you mean?" He says, "You know, so-and-so," he says, "has shown," he says, "from the culture." I say, "I see, what can
[00:03:32] I tell you?" Were
[00:03:35] you talking to Fyrunidis and his wife? No,
[00:03:39] no, they came very rarely to the village. They
[00:03:42] didn't come regularly, they didn't come regularly, no, they lived in
[00:03:46] Thessaloniki, they didn't come regularly, but of course here
[00:03:49] we must say that the family of
[00:03:53] Fyrunidis, I honestly tell you, is
[00:03:56] excellent, they are peaceful people, uh.
[00:04:00] In parallel, however, I had heard about the
[00:04:04] remanded woman that she had issues previously with
[00:04:08] NGOs. Yes, we revealed
[00:04:11] that yesterday, Mr. Fotiadis, we have to conclude because
[00:04:15] we have breaking news. The
[00:04:18] incidents with emergency landings continue, unfortunately in
[00:04:21] Europe. Now we will go to Bucharest. George Tsoukalas, thank you very
[00:04:24] much for today. Let's find Nikos
[00:04:28] Lourdas. Let's find Nikos. From the newsroom, we had
[00:04:32] stopped at 11 incidents. Now we go to the 12th. In
[00:04:35] less than two hours, Europe is on
[00:04:39] alert. And from what we understand, Niko, we haven't
[00:04:42] finished. Yes, it seems so, and at this moment we are going
[00:04:46] to Romania, because according to the country's intelligence services,
[00:04:49] a flight from Milan
[00:04:53] destined for Bucharest, the capital of the country,
[00:04:56] Wiz Air, landed safely
[00:05:00] in Bucharest after a bomb threat. There are at least
[00:05:03] 11 aircraft at this moment that we are counting that have received
[00:05:07] bomb threats, and we are receiving some information,
[00:05:10] Maria and Ari, that in
[00:05:12] Rome as well as in Czech Republic, in the four
[00:05:15] aircraft that also landed safely there, the
[00:05:19] authorities have not found anything disturbing so far,
[00:05:22] and everything so far is good, and if
[00:05:26] we add the incidents of the previous days, we are approaching
[00:05:29] 27 from the
[00:05:32] previous days and 12 today, 19, in fact, they have
[00:05:35] exceeded 20. At least we are following it because continuously, guys,
[00:05:39] information is coming in for new aircraft. An indication
[00:05:43] of a hybrid attack that Europe is receiving, and Konstantinos Filis is already listening to
[00:05:46] us. Thank you very much, Nikos Lourdas. So we will start with
[00:05:50] Mr. Filis from this. It is
[00:05:53] one thing to have an incident that turns out to be a
[00:05:56] hoax, and it is another thing to have so many repeated
[00:05:59] incidents in less than two hours, Mr. Filis. Bucharest was, as
[00:06:03] you heard, the last one. What is this that we are experiencing
[00:06:06] now?
[00:06:08] We cannot yet judge, Maria, where it comes from. I imagine that
[00:06:12] there are a lot of pranksters together who decided to do it.
[00:06:15] Of course, we cannot rule out anything. However, in any case, if
[00:06:19] it is a coordinated action, that seems to be the case, but
[00:06:22] I repeat, let's not get ahead of ourselves until we have more information at our disposal.
[00:06:26] If it is a coordinated attack, it is yet another
[00:06:29] attack which is part of the logic of psychological
[00:06:33] warfare, that is, the logic of a war which changes
[00:06:36] the sense of security of the European citizen and also changes the sense of our
[00:06:40] daily lives, because to... fly by plane, to
[00:06:44] travel by train, to have electricity and water in our
[00:06:48] home and so on, are self-evident
[00:06:51] for most, if not needs, but
[00:06:55] a self-evident daily life of a free
[00:06:58] democratic Europe, of a free
[00:07:02] and not of an authoritarian
[00:07:05] large region, so to speak, isn't it, of
[00:07:09] a free Europe, yes, right, where these are
[00:07:12] settled issues, the free movement of people from one point
[00:07:16] to another point, of course. I believe that here, I repeat,
[00:07:20] if it is a coordinated action, we don't know where it comes from, we can assume, but
[00:07:24] we don't know, uh, we have another test of the
[00:07:27] Europeans' resilience. I remind
[00:07:30] you of earlier, not too long ago, uh,
[00:07:33] incidents where we had cyberattacks on airports,
[00:07:36] resulting in huge queues of people waiting up
[00:07:40] to two days to travel, uh. I remind you of the incidents with the
[00:07:44] drones that were found near European
[00:07:48] airports. The Poles, a few days ago,
[00:07:51] officially through their foreign minister, Sikorski, said
[00:07:55] that by mistake (put "by mistake" in quotation marks) two cruise
[00:07:58] missiles fell on Polish territory. We have
[00:08:02] similar incidents on railways.
[00:08:05] Therefore, this is an escalating, I repeat, if
[00:08:09] and only if it is a coordinated action, an escalating toward.
[00:08:17] And all this a few hours after the
[00:08:20] results of the midterm elections in the United
[00:08:23] States. To have the full picture, we will show two
[00:08:26] different shots now which are important. On the one hand,
[00:08:30] President Donald Trump dressed up,
[00:08:33] appearing to celebrate the progress of work on the new ballroom of the
[00:08:37] White House. Other things, that is, after all that has
[00:08:40] happened. And on the other hand, he... who
[00:08:44] posts his own manifesto, clearly
[00:08:47] attributing Trump's electoral defeat to the war with Iran
[00:08:51] and the government's inability to tell Americans
[00:08:53] about its economic policy, a war with Iran, forgive
[00:08:57] me, Maria, which war you didn't want from the very first
[00:09:00] moment, right? If we could, Mr. Filis, correct me if you have a different
[00:09:04] opinion, to put a title for Vans, is he heading
[00:09:08] full speed for 2028?
[00:09:11] Correct. I'll put an asterisk. We were saying yesterday on the
[00:09:15] show here together, and at noon, Maria, on the
[00:09:18] radio show, that Vans should distance himself from
[00:09:22] Trump if he wants to have a chance for 2028. We don't
[00:09:25] imagine he'll do it that quickly, of course. Yes, at this
[00:09:29] moment, Trump is, yes,
[00:09:31] of course, there's information that Vans gave his statement to Trump
[00:09:35] to read before he posted it, but either way,
[00:09:39] Trump at this moment is toxic, he is the... for
[00:09:42] any Republican candidate, because how can we judge
[00:09:46] this? Wherever he went and supported
[00:09:49] a candidate for senator,
[00:09:52] he failed miserably. So I imagine that from now on,
[00:09:56] uh, whoever wants to be very far from Trump, after all, he is also losing his
[00:09:59] influence in the Republican party. Therefore, Vans, and my
[00:10:03] asterisk, Maria, is this: If he judges
[00:10:06] that he has a chance of being elected, he obviously has the first
[00:10:10] say because he is vice president of the United
[00:10:12] States, uh, even over Rubio or anyone else. If,
[00:10:16] however, he sees that the situation is not good for
[00:10:19] him, he is quite young, he might not want to run in 2028.
[00:10:23] We will see about that, but his
[00:10:26] distancing yesterday shows, if nothing
[00:10:29] else, that he still intends to
[00:10:33] stand by for better or for worse. Rubio secured
[00:10:37] the photo from the Parthenon. He
[00:10:40] put it there and keeps it as a reserve for all
[00:10:43] occasions. He made it a reserve for all cases.
[00:10:46] Now, our words... uh, this is another
[00:10:49] story. Our thing is that it's a timeless good thing that
[00:10:53] whoever
[00:10:55] yes, it's global, and whoever comes takes a picture.
[00:10:58] A reserve, Ari, and he can even make that image a canvas. What
[00:11:02] I want to say is that Rubio is a little
[00:11:06] older than Vans, but he is not so old that
[00:11:09] we can say that he too could not run for
[00:11:13] 2032 and leave 2028. I don't know if in the
[00:11:17] end we will reach a point where one gives the baton to the other. Because
[00:11:21] they speculate that a defeat will come. However, at this
[00:11:25] moment, whoever wants to run in
[00:11:28] 2028, with current data, with good chances, will
[00:11:32] have to keep significant distance from Trump, who, since
[00:11:35] you conveyed the image from the White
[00:11:39] House, for now, for now, seems to be in his own
[00:11:42] world. However, because he is president of the United
[00:11:45] States, this may not last for too long, and
[00:11:49] I will ask you, Mr. Filis, because until
[00:11:53] 28... a long period of time where
[00:11:56] Trump will be president, who I understand doesn't have many
[00:12:00] paths to choose from. One path is to
[00:12:04] choose to change course so that this
[00:12:07] term ends as painlessly as possible for him,
[00:12:10] while he has already suffered a very serious blow
[00:12:14] and is losing momentum internationally. It's not just
[00:12:18] these elections now that are very important at the present stage
[00:12:21] and conjuncture. And the second, because he is who he is,
[00:12:25] and we all know who we are dealing with, he might decide to go
[00:12:28] all in. This all in, of course, for all of us,
[00:12:32] for all the rest of us, causes terror.
[00:12:36] Yes, as we said yesterday, we cannot estimate what he will do, but
[00:12:39] we still have 26 months. You put it very well, Maria, 26 months
[00:12:43] of Trump. It's not just 24 in January 2029,
[00:12:46] God willing, the next president will be sworn in. So we have 26
[00:12:50] months of Trump, let's say 24 roughly until the next
[00:12:54] presidential elections in November 2028.
[00:12:57] Um, let me put it the other way, because I also cannot reach a
[00:13:01] conclusion. I will ask, I will answer by asking. Uh, Trump is
[00:13:05] 81 years old. He has two years ahead of him. He has shown so
[00:13:09] far that he disregards Congress,
[00:13:11] he often disregards his compatriots, he disregards his
[00:13:14] advisors when his advisors give him advice
[00:13:18] he doesn't want to hear and so on. He is very stubborn, he is
[00:13:22] an undeniably shrewd person and he has two
[00:13:26] years ahead of him, two years which are the last years of his
[00:13:29] presidency, and I repeat, he is 81 years old. The
[00:13:32] estimation is, and with it the question, do we believe that
[00:13:36] he would not want to leave a stronger imprint in his own
[00:13:39] mind than he has already left in modern American
[00:13:43] history? That is, will the stamp he will put, Trump's political legacy,
[00:13:46] be a failed war in Iran, sanctions and anything else?
[00:13:50] This curses the Norwegians who don't give him, for this
[00:13:53] reason.
[00:14:02] You are right about that, Ari, I just want to say that precisely because he is not as
[00:14:05] successful as he himself portrays it, I estimate,
[00:14:09] Maria, that in the next two years he will try to make
[00:14:13] at least one spectacular move in order to be able,
[00:14:16] I repeat, based on his own standards, to go down in the history
[00:14:19] of the United States as an absolutely successful... More spectacular than
[00:14:23] what he has already done, you mean. Yes, of course, it could be a regime
[00:14:27] change in Cuba, and that might not be enough, but it would be a significant move
[00:14:30] after 1959 to change yet another regime besides
[00:14:34] Maduro. It would be to do something more with Iran, it would be to try to
[00:14:37] find a solution in Ukraine,
[00:14:40] not something different from Moscow's measures and standards. And let me add something,
[00:14:44] Maria, sorry, until January
[00:14:46] 2027, we have the same Congress, so there are
[00:14:50] about two months from today when Trump has the opportunity
[00:14:54] to... rush some developments. This
[00:14:57] whole analysis that Konstantinos Filis is making today about
[00:15:01] what lies ahead of us, with whatever uncertainty any
[00:15:04] prediction has at this stage, and we said it, is to send
[00:15:08] a tape or a CD
[00:15:11] to all those who here in
[00:15:14] Greece, if you removed the time frame they were discussing and
[00:15:18] removed the name Trump, they would talk and you would think they were referring
[00:15:22] to Winston Churchill. We are talking about this man, who has
[00:15:25] I say this because it also concerns those here, yes yes
[00:15:31] some right-wingers were happy when a right-wing
[00:15:34] president was elected in the United States.
[00:15:44] they were wrong because a right-winger differs from a right-winger.
[00:15:48] They landed on an elderly person with
[00:15:51] various characteristics,
[00:15:54] from greed. No, I say "elderly" in relation to Biden, because he pushed
[00:15:58] Biden, and he was also elderly. Two two Muppet
[00:16:02] Show, they were pushing each other. But the fact
[00:16:05] that the president proved to be a president with greed and
[00:16:09] with three close friends doing business for himself, every
[00:16:12] normal politician, whether right-wing or not, whatever they are,
[00:16:16] in any case, keeps, does not
[00:16:19] represent him.
[00:16:21] Concluding, may I say something? In my opinion, Trump
[00:16:25] has no ideology. He is an apolitical
[00:16:29] personality who often acts on instinct, who
[00:16:33] has very specific intentions and often personal ambitions
[00:16:36] that do not necessarily align with the goals and
[00:16:39] objectives of Americans. Therefore, let's not judge him. That is, Trump
[00:16:43] could have been a Democratic candidate in 2016. The fact
[00:16:47] that he took over the Republican party, because that suited him at that
[00:16:50] moment and was perhaps even easier for him, does not mean
[00:16:54] in my mind that Trump should be labeled
[00:16:57] right-wing, left-wing.
[00:17:00] He is conservative. I do have an observation on this, though. I simply
[00:17:04] remember that until now, in these two years,
[00:17:07] the Prime Minister of Greece was receiving
[00:17:11] criticism from various
[00:17:14] sides, and from the so-called "popular soul" camp
[00:17:16] and various things, but also from the left, that
[00:17:20] he had not re-established contact with Trump. I don't understand
[00:17:23] now, are we with Trump, should we be, should we not be? I know
[00:17:27] that for two years Mitsotakis was in the corner because they said
[00:17:30] he was with the Democrats and not with Trump. Prime Minister, to conclude, because
[00:17:33] we don't have any more time, unlike his ministers,
[00:17:37] he was very careful on this issue.
[00:17:39] Okay,
[00:17:43] Ari and Maria,
[00:17:47] let's just not forget, he might, I don't know what dangerous things Trump
[00:17:50] might do, but right now, Europe is
[00:17:54] at war with Russia. Europe is funding
[00:17:58] Ukraine for the war. Thank you very much, Mr.
[00:18:18] with you, Mr. Dialinas, with the latest development we
[00:18:22] had now, and we also hosted your colleague,
[00:18:25] Mr. Athanasopoulos, a little while ago, who
[00:18:28] represents the first family that
[00:18:31] decides to take legal action,
[00:18:35] to go to court, because... they too were victims
[00:18:38] of exploitation by these two alleged
[00:18:41] fraudsters, uh, the 38-year-old who
[00:18:45] is now with the investigator, plus his remanded wife.
[00:18:49] A family, Mr. Dialinas, because it is
[00:18:51] important, that has been trying to keep
[00:18:55] little Maritina alive all these last months, even
[00:18:58] now. These people
[00:19:01] not only lost their world, they lost the ground beneath their
[00:19:05] feet, but they say that stand up and we will be
[00:19:08] the first to claim our
[00:19:11] justice. Look,
[00:19:15] uh, so far, I, I, as I said, I gave my opinion
[00:19:19] before, you remember,
[00:19:21] uh, here it's not just scams and stories
[00:19:25] that they are accused of. For me, it's
[00:19:28] exposure, uh, certainly, and if
[00:19:31] it's congenital, may God grant the little girl many
[00:19:35] more days, uh,
[00:19:38] if something happens then I'm sure the
[00:19:41] charge against them will be upgraded. That is, it could
[00:19:44] reach the point where you have already made it for days here. In what
[00:19:48] sense, on what basis, Mr. Dialinas, explain it to us
[00:19:51] simply. Let me tell you very simply, uh, when
[00:19:55] I take money to give it to
[00:19:58] a family and essentially to
[00:20:01] allocate it for the health of the
[00:20:04] girl or the boy who has
[00:20:08] cancer and I don't do it, then
[00:20:11] on the one hand, I expose them to danger, which can result in
[00:20:14] their death, or if death occurs,
[00:20:18] then I can be accused of
[00:20:21] intentional homicide with possible
[00:20:24] malice, because while I foresee that this
[00:20:28] child without this money will not be able to
[00:20:31] afford expensive medicines, expensive
[00:20:35] therapies, beyond those provided
[00:20:39] by the state, etc., yes,
[00:20:42] then you understand that I fall
[00:20:45] into much more serious offenses that can even reach
[00:20:48] felony. Within the structure of this organization, Mr.
[00:20:52] Pakos, there was not, as it seems, another
[00:20:56] person who had a family relationship with the
[00:20:59] accused, who is your colleague. No criminal prosecution has been brought,
[00:21:02] but we are in a position to know that the Anti-Corruption
[00:21:06] Prosecutor's Office has taken over this specific
[00:21:09] case, and we will see how it proceeds. This person,
[00:21:12] I imagine we have the same opinion that if he knew all
[00:21:16] these things that were happening and did not report them, I assume that he does
[00:21:20] not belong in the force. Obviously, I also read it from
[00:21:23] the publications, because I don't have knowledge of the case file, and I don't want to have knowledge of the
[00:21:27] case file. Those who handle it
[00:21:30] and those who will process it to bring everyone to justice have it. If
[00:21:34] any police officer or other public
[00:21:37] official knew and it is proven that they knew,
[00:21:40] uh, it is not possible for us to say, "Me and you,"
[00:21:44] it will take its course, it will be prioritized, it is self-evident how many years
[00:21:48] this dismissal usually takes.
[00:22:06] with the criminal trial are two different things.
[00:22:10] That is, if I am accused of a
[00:22:13] felony and for an act which
[00:22:16] entails the penalty of dismissal based on the police disciplinary code, it is possible that
[00:22:20] the disciplinary code could lead to my dismissal, before,
[00:22:23] earlier, in the past,
[00:22:26] uh, there was a situation where the criminal case was tried
[00:22:29] first, we would wait for the criminal case to be judged, and then go to the
[00:22:33] disciplinary. Now they are two autonomous things. The disciplinary
[00:22:37] can dismiss you very early, after you are accused of a felony,
[00:22:40] after a charge of felony has been brought, and if in the end
[00:22:43] you are acquitted, you can take some actions within a year,
[00:22:47] that is, for all this you are describing to happen. It's
[00:22:51] possible, yes, simply disciplinary courts, because they are courts,
[00:22:55] also have a heavy workload very often, but in matters concerning
[00:22:58] penalties that entail dismissal,
[00:23:01] rather offenses that entail dismissal, they are two
[00:23:05] different trials. I will tell you simply so that you understand, the
[00:23:09] disciplinary is for the entire public sector, Mr. Pakos,
[00:23:13] or only for? We have our own disciplinary
[00:23:15] law, and it is special and very strict. I will tell
[00:23:19] you... so that people understand, if I steal a kilo of
[00:23:23] oranges, I might be acquitted in court
[00:23:26] because it is of negligible value, Mr. Dialinas can tell us, but in the
[00:23:30] disciplinary of the Greek police I will be dismissed. These are two different
[00:23:33] things that develop in parallel.
[00:23:37] Mr. Pakos, since we are talking about it, because at this moment, employees of
[00:23:41] public services are being investigated by the internal affairs for
[00:23:45] the other very unsavory case of
[00:23:49] Mr. Horiatiko and all the businesses in so many shops.
[00:23:52] Apart from the employees, heads of departments, heads
[00:23:56] of services from financial services here, your
[00:23:59] colleagues are also being investigated, and it seems they are not few for an
[00:24:03] island like Rhodes, where it is alleged that a 50-year-old
[00:24:06] woman was going back and forth in order to serve
[00:24:10] Giannakopoulos. I am waiting, because I am always
[00:24:13] cautious about these things, I am waiting to see the development
[00:24:17] of the whole case, not to justify or to condemn anyone. To know
[00:24:20] exactly what is happening, when such
[00:24:24] things come to light, excuse me, Mr. Pako, we have
[00:24:27] with our own plane, forced landing
[00:24:30] of the flight of Aegean Nicolourda, tell us where
[00:24:34] it was coming from, from Thessaloniki, kids, Aegean flight
[00:24:37] to Milan, landed
[00:24:40] safely at Malpensa airport and
[00:24:44] also another Ryanair flight
[00:24:47] from Porto also landed at... the same
[00:24:50] airport, both flights received a bomb threat, the
[00:24:53] authorities have arrived at the scene, they have entered
[00:24:57] the plane, the planes are empty, the passengers are safe and so
[00:25:00] far, according to the latest information, nothing has been found.
[00:25:04] It was Thessaloniki, Thessaloniki, Milan, the
[00:25:08] flight took place, it landed at its destination safely, but it also received
[00:25:12] a bomb threat. So far, guys, so we have reached
[00:25:15] today we are at the number of 13,
[00:25:18] 14 at least.
[00:25:24] Czech Republic, Spain, Poland, now also
[00:25:27] flights, right, all these have
[00:25:31] started, for those who just turned on your
[00:25:34] TV sets, about two hours ago and we have one
[00:25:37] incident after another, it's happening massively as we understand
[00:25:41] Nikos, right, and we have information and
[00:25:44] other similar events in the previous days anyway, that is, generally
[00:25:47] in previous days, seven, we remind you, guys. Seven as far as
[00:25:51] airplanes are concerned have reached to hit even
[00:25:54] a blood storage area, that is, here
[00:25:58] it doesn't stop, that is, this
[00:26:01] system. I don't know if it's one or more than
[00:26:04] one, we don't know, we also have the story guys with the refrigerators and the
[00:26:08] refrigerators and on top of that comes the blood preservation refrigerator
[00:26:12] cases. Everyone the blood is lost, yes, and all these are
[00:26:15] after anonymous reports, as we understand, in all cases, Nikos,
[00:26:19] right, yes, yes, yes, right, no one has yet taken responsibility, they
[00:26:23] call and say a bomb has been placed in the tower, no one
[00:26:26] is going to take responsibility and the protocol that must be followed is
[00:26:30] exactly.
[00:26:33] Thank you very much, Nikos, we interrupted Mr. Pako while
[00:26:37] we were discussing not corrupt police officers, controlled
[00:26:41] police officers at this moment in all the circuits
[00:26:45] that are currently occupying the news, Mr.
[00:26:48] Pako. Unfortunately, what has been proven is
[00:26:51] that wherever there is a corruption ring, there is always a
[00:26:54] public official. Unfortunately. Many
[00:26:57] times there are also politicians. There are various things. We have seen a lot.
[00:27:01] So let's wait a bit. Let's see everything come to light,
[00:27:04] let's see exactly which public officials,
[00:27:06] police from other public services,
[00:27:10] will be prosecuted and for what reasons?
[00:27:13] Because the police have 55,000 people, other
[00:27:17] services also have thousands of people, five or ten cannot represent
[00:27:21] the whole, but unfortunately there are always some
[00:27:24] behind to see, a question without wanting
[00:27:28] to provoke you, to go to Mr. Diallina, and here I am
[00:27:31] not talking about any of the cases we have opened, but your experience, Mr.
[00:27:35] Pako, from such cases has shown, especially when we talk about the
[00:27:39] region, where societies are very closed and
[00:27:42] everyone knows everyone, that if
[00:27:45] there is, as you say, a tax officer from the
[00:27:48] area, two police officers below,
[00:27:51] the rest in the tax office and police department do not know
[00:27:55] that business is being done, let's say, with a very powerful businessman of the
[00:27:58] area, well, now I can.
[00:28:02] They know, sir, but I'll
[00:28:06] put this question differently, I'll put
[00:28:09] the question differently, I'll put it differently, is
[00:28:13] localism a problem, Mr. Pako, for the
[00:28:17] police and if so, how do you think it should be dealt with? No,
[00:28:20] no, I completely disagree, I'll tell you why,
[00:28:23] localism, I've been in Athens for 25, 26 years, I'm from
[00:28:26] Ioannina, if I served 25 years in Zografou, I would still have
[00:28:30] localism from Ioannina, so the problem is.
[00:28:34] Yes, okay, localism from Athens differs from Rhodes,
[00:28:37] of course, localism differs,
[00:28:41] due to the environment, I mean, the geography and probably the
[00:28:45] population, if there are serious control mechanisms
[00:28:48] and safety valves, you can do everything, Mr. Diallinas wants to say
[00:28:52] something, please, to conclude, come on, Mr.
[00:28:55] Diallina, Mr. Pako, with all, with all due
[00:28:58] respect, because I handled some such
[00:29:01] knows, but you know what
[00:29:04] happens, those who do them are powerful,
[00:29:08] they have powerful backing, they have powerful
[00:29:11] connections, and now the honest police officer says, and there are many of them, why should
[00:29:15] I get involved and suffer the consequences, and if he sees, Mr. Diallina,
[00:29:18] his commander, even if the commander, what can the
[00:29:22] poor man do, I had a case, I had such a simple one,
[00:29:25] when the head is corrupt,
[00:29:29] so I had it correctly.
[00:29:42] I hear the argument and we have discussed it and we have disagreed with
[00:29:46] Aris quite a lot lately that there must be a
[00:29:49] complaint, so I say it very openly that
[00:29:53] I understand that if the director of a
[00:29:56] tax office in Katerini, in
[00:29:58] Ioannina or in Rhodes is part of the system and
[00:30:02] the businessman, I who am at the cashier and stamp,
[00:30:06] it is impossible for me to go and report it, so we hit a wall
[00:30:09] again, this is what I am trying to explain for so
[00:30:12] long, eh, I hope now with the new frameworks that are being introduced and
[00:30:16] created, you said something, you mentioned a
[00:30:19] framework, Mr. Pako, that is, how would the system work to
[00:30:22] catch the case of Rhodes for example, before
[00:30:26] it developed to this extent, what should
[00:30:29] have been done, I think that. I agree with Mrs.
[00:30:33] Anastasopoulou, although we usually disagree, that here there is no need for a complaint,
[00:30:37] only if you see things, if
[00:30:40] police authorities or judicial
[00:30:43] authorities see strange things, I think
[00:30:46] they can start, I think I am not, I am
[00:30:49] not an expert.
[00:30:52] and without complaints.