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[00:00:00] tanks that, for example,
[00:00:02] ah
[00:00:05] So look at this meaning as a reservoir state, its generation
[00:00:08] increased
[00:00:10] from 40 to nearly
[00:00:14] 100, and more,
[00:00:18] and we also
[00:00:19] to exaggerate this provided Sudan, the occurrence of massacres in the occurrence of disasters in spare parts
[00:00:23] and aids to increase
[00:00:25] adorn this the Sayed reservoir, the Sennar reservoir.
[00:00:28] By the way, we have
[00:00:33] and their rejection of this reality affect projects for this reservoir, meaning if suitable conditions and funding are available, God willing,
[00:00:37] we will immerse this country
[00:00:40] with sufficient
[00:00:45] the National Television from energy. Okay, Mr. Minister, what
[00:00:48] prevents the transition from
[00:00:50] and pressured radical solutions to these emergency solutions permanently?
[00:00:53] Well, I don't want to explain
[00:00:56] much, but of course, there are intersections.
[00:01:00] There are intersections of funding, and there are also
[00:01:03] intersections that are
[00:01:07] related
[00:01:10] to the fact that
[00:01:12] we focused on projects that will be completed
[00:01:16] quickly. Okay,
[00:01:19] Mr. Minister, what is the size of the financial
[00:01:22] and the borders of Ethiopia with and technical needs required to end the crisis?
[00:01:25] I am talking about funding and money. Well, these stories,
[00:01:28] this intervention in of course, any sector like
[00:01:32] the electricity sector needs
[00:01:35] We have reached the end of today's episode continuous support.
[00:01:38] This is not a matter of you
[00:01:42] saying, "I need such and such at this
[00:01:46] time."
[00:01:48] الحمد لله in The matter
[00:01:49] results on concerns
[00:01:53] ensuring the continuity of electricity in an appropriate manner, and any
[00:01:56] equipment or generators
[00:02:01] what happened or tanks need continuous maintenance and care. But
[00:02:05] weapons and the coming period
[00:02:07] on projects that
[00:02:11] are represented in hydropower generation
[00:02:15] projects. Okay, before thermal generation,
[00:02:19] well, is there any clear
[00:02:22] timeline, Mr. Minister, to re-qualify the entire national grid?
[00:02:26] Yes, we have, plans.
[00:02:30] Of course, we said short-term
[00:02:33] or short,
[00:02:36] and we have medium-term plans, and there are
[00:02:39] many plans that we have started on,
[00:02:42] such as maintaining the connecting line
[00:02:44] calculations require time I said this is part of between us and some neighboring countries
[00:02:47] and increasing its capacity
[00:02:49] as well. Okay, Mr.
[00:02:54] that these people Minister, let me ask one last question.
[00:02:57] Tell me in a minute, please, or less. About cooperation with
[00:03:01] international bodies or specialized companies in this sector, your efforts in this
[00:03:05] regard. Well, of course, we
[00:03:07] now have
[00:03:10] cooperation with
[00:03:13] friendly countries and countries that
[00:03:18] that time and came with have shown their assistance to us in these
[00:03:20] circumstances,
[00:03:23] such as Turkey, Egypt,
[00:03:26] Saudi Arabia,
[00:03:28] it well in Russia, Belarus,
[00:03:32] and some other countries that provide
[00:03:35] us with a lot of support from attempts
[00:03:38] and even technical consultations.
[00:03:42] And people
[00:03:45] of massacres in know that there
[00:03:46] some villages from were factories for cables and transformers,
[00:03:50] and we agreed with
[00:03:52] have an effect. The whole world is not our partners or these countries to rehabilitate these
[00:03:56] factories or or
[00:04:01] Engineer Consultant Mutasim Ibrahim, Minister of Energy and Petroleum.
[00:04:05] Thank you very much. May God bless
[00:04:08] you and my greetings to the citizens. And God willing,
[00:04:12] talking about a grim picture in we assure them that we are
[00:04:15] is that, while up to the challenge, and God willing, electricity will witness a noticeable improvement in the near future, God willing.
[00:04:42] whether the weapons stop or not, whether they stop from
[00:04:52] other means
[00:09:58] Welcome back to Sudan Tonight. In another file, the Senate
[00:10:02] pressures and Sudan is at the heart of the American debate. The war file in Sudan
[00:10:05] witnessed a new development after 21
[00:10:09] Democratic members of the US Senate
[00:10:12] sent a letter to the US Secretary of State,
[00:10:16] calling for more effective action to prevent a recurrence of what
[00:10:20] they described as mass atrocities, warning of
[00:10:24] the risks to the White House. The letter also included
[00:10:27] calls for action against external parties that
[00:10:31] the signatories said were contributing to the continuation of the conflict, and demanded
[00:10:35] that the US administration move beyond statements of
[00:10:38] concern to from statements of
[00:10:41] concern to practical steps. So
[00:10:44] what are the implications of this letter, and does it represent a shift in the American position
[00:10:47] on the war in Sudan, and what are its potential repercussions
[00:10:51] on the course of the conflict and regional relations? Welcome
[00:10:55] and I welcome my guest, Professor Makki Al-Maghrebi, a journalist
[00:10:58] and political analyst. Welcome, good evening, Professor
[00:11:01] Makki.
[00:11:05] And greetings to you and all viewers of
[00:11:10] Khartoum. We start this time with
[00:11:14] greetings, Mr. Makki. Let me ask,
[00:11:17] what is the importance of this letter from
[00:11:20] 21 members of the US Senate,
[00:11:24] and what is the timing of this memorandum?
[00:11:27] Ah,
[00:11:30] the value of this memorandum
[00:11:34] is that it clearly and explicitly stated
[00:11:37] that the UAE is funding the Rapid
[00:11:40] Support Forces. Clearly and explicitly,
[00:11:44] is this the first time? It is not the first time, but
[00:11:47] this is the clearest time, and it mentioned
[00:11:51] the UAE about three to four times, as it was attached
[00:11:55] to the order recommending
[00:11:57] pressure that could reach
[00:12:00] preventing it from receiving American
[00:12:03] so on. Okay, but
[00:12:07] brother Shifa, I don't want people to rely too much
[00:12:11] on saying that it is an effort from its people,
[00:12:14] and that America itself, an ally of the UAE, testified against it, and that
[00:12:18] it is the one funding the Rapid Support Forces, and it is the one arming the Rapid
[00:12:22] Support Forces. This memorandum also mentioned mercenaries, but
[00:12:26] in the period between December 10
[00:12:30] and December 20, when the battles were around Wad
[00:12:33] Madani and Congress moved and
[00:12:37] the same group from Congress moved,
[00:12:41] their number was 10, and they pointed fingers
[00:12:45] at the UAE, and the letter was addressed to the UAE's Foreign
[00:12:48] Minister, and they stated in it that
[00:12:51] the UAE is the one arming and supporting the Rapid Support Forces.
[00:12:55] Even though this happened and the Rapid
[00:12:59] Support Forces were at the gates of Madani, and Ambassador John Godfrey
[00:13:02] at that time was speaking and issuing statements, an American
[00:13:06] spokesperson was speaking, but at that
[00:13:09] the prelude to the fall of
[00:13:11] Madani,
[00:13:13] and that whoever wrote in that time
[00:13:17] that he thinks these
[00:13:20] statements are a bias towards the Sudanese
[00:13:24] side and preventing the Rapid Support Forces, he is mistaken because, quite
[00:13:28] simply, in September, they punished
[00:13:31] Abdel Rahim Dagalo and did not stop their allies from
[00:13:35] supporting him.
[00:13:38] Ambassador John Godfrey, in his statement that preceded
[00:13:43] Congress and others, I wrote
[00:13:46] some of it in an article talking about how the thread
[00:13:50] is the statements of the US Ambassador, because
[00:13:53] the US Ambassador at that time spoke about a situation
[00:13:57] in Wad Madani that did not exist. He spoke about large-scale
[00:14:01] displacement, which had not happened,
[00:14:04] large-scale displacement.
[00:14:08] What was happening was that
[00:14:11] the east, because the east at that
[00:14:14] time had entered into
[00:14:18] the militia's occupation, were coming
[00:14:20] to the Wad Madani area, and therefore it was not happening, and he
[00:14:24] spoke about a grim picture that did not exist,
[00:14:28] as if he was paving the way for public opinion for what is happening
[00:14:31] now from statements here and there, organizations
[00:14:37] El Obeid. So my conclusion
[00:14:40] confirming that direct condemnations
[00:14:45] Congress against the armed party
[00:14:48] of the militia, at least, have media,
[00:14:52] diplomatic, and legal value, the on-the-ground value
[00:14:55] points fingers
[00:14:59] at the United States of America's
[00:15:03] covering up and reluctantly giving the green light
[00:15:06] to a continuous plan that has not stopped
[00:15:10] to harass the city of El Obeid and overthrow it.
[00:15:13] I believe they have
[00:15:17] they will resort to after failing in direct means,
[00:15:20] and the worst-case scenario is that they want to ignite
[00:15:23] a war between Ethiopia and Eritrea
[00:15:27] and drag the Red Sea into a labyrinth
[00:15:29] of wars. For me, this is clear, because
[00:15:33] now America, on one hand, is bringing
[00:15:40] closer and lifting sanctions from it,
[00:15:43] and news about its support for Eritrea against Ethiopia, and at the same
[00:15:47] time, Israel
[00:15:49] and its allies are standing with Ethiopia
[00:15:52] and inciting it against Eritrea. So the issue is a division of roles
[00:15:56] to fuel the war in the region.
[00:15:59] In this specific point, and the expected outbreak of war
[00:16:03] between Ethiopia and Eritrea, how
[00:16:06] will this
[00:16:09] the war in Sudan and the situation in Sudan
[00:16:12] and the security of the region? Firstly,
[00:16:15] the first point is that this confirms
[00:16:19] that they are striving to drag the region into
[00:16:22] wars, this is confirmed.
[00:16:24] And that they
[00:16:26] mean peace talks and visits by Mustaeed Boules
[00:16:30] and others are aids to prepare the situation
[00:16:33] and to prepare the ground for the war that
[00:16:37] will happen to them. This is the first point. So their current
[00:16:41] direction is not a direction of peace. This is the
[00:16:43] first point. The second point
[00:16:47] is that the policy of dispersing the parties when it comes
[00:16:50] to Sudan and infects it with an inflammatory
[00:16:54] disease on its eastern borders, from the beginning you are talking about
[00:16:57] the borders of Eritrea
[00:17:00] Sudan. You are talking about a region from Kurmuk to
[00:17:04] Damazin, a very long area, very long borders
[00:17:07] that will be inflamed on its eastern side.
[00:17:11] This will draw the Sudanese side to this side
[00:17:14] and thus loosen the grip of the Sudanese army,
[00:17:17] or so they think,
[00:17:19] from western Sudan, in addition
[00:17:22] to the scenarios, some of which were resolved
[00:17:26] the previous two days, which is the pumping of
[00:17:29] a large number of soldiers and equipment across the Libyan
[00:17:32] desert to Sudan, and they were dealt
[00:17:36] with. So
[00:17:38] whoever is mistaken, and I repeat
[00:17:42] this word as I repeated it in my article
[00:17:45] in December before the fall of
[00:17:49] Madani, is mistaken if he thinks that American statements
[00:17:52] are to stop the militia and to stop the aggressor against Sudan.
[00:17:56] Of course, in the column, I said "meaningless," I didn't say "mistaken," but
[00:17:59] for the purposes of television, let's say
[00:18:02] "mistaken." I also reiterate now that
[00:18:06] there is diplomatic, political,
[00:18:09] and media value to the position of Congress
[00:18:13] and its accusation and pointing fingers at the UAE
[00:18:16] and demanding a ban on weapons from it. There is value, but the on-the-ground
[00:18:22] the Sudanese army and military intelligence and the intelligence
[00:18:25] agency and citizens to
[00:18:28] expect
[00:18:31] still conspire against Sudan
[00:18:33] and want to pull it from its edges and want to continue
[00:18:37] the war without
[00:18:41] dreams of peace negotiations. Peace negotiations are
[00:18:44] a cover for the war, not to stop the war. Okay,
[00:18:48] let me ask, let me ask
[00:18:51] another question. In your opinion, what is the
[00:18:54] likelihood of the American administration responding to those demands contained in this
[00:18:58] letter and memorandum from these
[00:19:00] members? Okay, let me talk
[00:19:04] a little about
[00:19:07] the mechanism or tools of decision-making within
[00:19:11] Congress, and what is the internal
[00:19:13] value
[00:19:16] of the statements of representatives in Congress
[00:19:19] and their rejection and condemnation
[00:19:22] El Fasher and El Obeid and elsewhere. The matter
[00:19:25] is basically related to the internal position of these
[00:19:28] representatives, meaning that these representatives, if they know that
[00:19:31] there will be a massacre where 10,000 will be slaughtered
[00:19:35] tomorrow, it will not be their goal.
[00:19:39] Their goal will be that after two years, they will be re-elected
[00:19:42] in their constituencies. They must have
[00:19:46] an answer about what they did at that time. They will say, "We issued a memorandum,"
[00:19:49] and so on. Therefore, there is an internal
[00:19:54] American politics that dictates to members of Congress,
[00:19:58] not a revival of conscience or love for Sudanese people or
[00:20:01] a desire to stop the war, but they have internal
[00:20:05] motives to prove
[00:20:07] a voice of rejection of the UAE's support
[00:20:11] for the militia and a voice of rejection of
[00:20:14] crimes in Sudan. But whether they happen or not,
[00:20:20] the UAE, sending another country
[00:20:23] is not their concern. I mean, to simplify the meaning
[00:20:26] for the honorable viewer, let me give an example,
[00:20:30] or a funny Sudanese analogy. If a person
[00:20:34] knows that his friend will marry tomorrow,
[00:20:38] in addition to his wife, you will find him striving to go
[00:20:42] and eat inside the house and praising the food, and on the wedding day,
[00:20:45] he arranges a far trip for him so that he is not caught
[00:20:49] red-handed. Because he is part of
[00:20:52] the conspiracy.
[00:20:55] simple example,
[00:20:58] it is what these circles within
[00:21:01] Congress are doing. For them,
[00:21:06] El Fasher, the occurrence of massacres in El Obeid,
[00:21:10] the occurrence of anything, the fall of Wad Madani, for them,
[00:21:13] they must event
[00:21:17] with an elegant memorandum that talks
[00:21:20] about their humanity
[00:21:23] matter happening in Sudan. But governments of third
[00:21:27] world countries come and are deceived, meaning a lobbying company comes and tells
[00:21:30] a government, any government, "I strived and pressured Congress,
[00:21:34] and Congress issued a memorandum," or a friendly country comes and deceives
[00:21:38] Sudan and tells them, "I worked
[00:21:40] Congress and issued a memorandum." You worked for
[00:21:44] the benefit of these representatives and for their election campaigns
[00:21:47] after two years, until the last
[00:21:54] moments, we were trying, and we issued a memorandum,
[00:21:58] and we were upset and so on. This
[00:22:01] is not true. Okay, at this point, specifically, Mr.
[00:22:03] Makki, a memorandum can be utilized
[00:22:07] medially, politically, and diplomatically, but
[00:22:11] talking about a real transformation
[00:22:14] and a conscience that awakened on the American
[00:22:17] side. Okay, what happened? It woke up and slept again in December
[00:22:21] 2023 when Madani was not captured. The same representatives
[00:22:25] when they issued the same memorandum. Ah, okay, Mr.
[00:22:28] Makki, let me ask another question. How can these
[00:22:32] calls to review arms sales affect
[00:22:35] the course of the war? Will there be real and tangible
[00:22:39] the ground? No, the UAE
[00:22:43] is now part of Israel's Iron Dome, meaning it has entered
[00:22:47] into Israel's security framework entirely. This
[00:22:50] was mentioned by Western newspapers, and that the relationship now
[00:22:53] between the UAE and Israel is no longer just diplomatic relations or normalization,
[00:22:57] but rather a full strategic intelligence
[00:23:00] alliance, and that the security of the UAE is
[00:23:04] the security of Israel, and the security of Israel is the security of the UAE.
[00:23:07] Okay, and therefore, even
[00:23:10] if direct arms sales
[00:23:13] stop, the presence of weapons or American
[00:23:17] sales in the region has turned a blind eye
[00:23:20] to the transfer of advanced technology.
[00:23:22] Pulling the UAE from Israeli
[00:23:26] warehouses, involving Israel itself in the Sudanese
[00:23:30] problem, just as Qahat writes
[00:23:34] articles in the American media and in
[00:23:37] the Western media and appears in Israeli spaces,
[00:23:40] inciting Tel Aviv to
[00:23:43] classify Sudan or a group in Sudan as a terrorist
[00:23:47] group, of course, so that they can then move
[00:23:50] towards military intervention and involve
[00:23:53] Sudan in the Middle East arena. Therefore,
[00:23:57] I do not count at all on
[00:23:59] the approaching ban on weapons from the UAE,
[00:24:03] and I do not buy this story at all. What
[00:24:06] I want to emphasize is that what happened in this
[00:24:09] memorandum and in others has media,
[00:24:12] diplomatic, and political value, if Sudan utilizes
[00:24:18] legal
[00:24:24] forums and in open media work. Why?
[00:24:27] Because it can form a snowball
[00:24:30] that will roll and grow in size,
[00:24:33] and Sudan can triumph with that because
[00:24:37] media pressure, political pressure, and diplomatic pressure
[00:24:42] run only by deals, but when you are a member of Congress
[00:24:46] and
[00:24:48] you speak for Sudan, you are afraid of what? You are afraid of
[00:24:52] media pressure and you are afraid of political and diplomatic pressure.
[00:24:56] Therefore, when the pressure on you increases, the
[00:24:58] action increases. But if you applaud him and rejoice at what he said,
[00:25:02] he will be satisfied after that
[00:25:06] and the Sudanese government will be very generous
[00:25:09] with him, as is customary, if it issues a statement
[00:25:12] of welcome, because the statement of welcome will be taken
[00:25:16] as a certificate of innocence from the blood of the Sudanese people.
[00:25:20] When election season comes, he will say, "I made the memorandum
[00:25:24] and I did it and I moved," and the Sudanese government's
[00:25:27] foreign policy loved the position of Congress
[00:25:31] and the statement of Congress. Therefore, if I,
[00:25:34] if you followed me, I am very strict
[00:25:37] and very cautious in trying
[00:25:41] to satisfy the ego
[00:25:44] of the hostile or
[00:25:47] neutral circles towards Sudan, and we should not fall
[00:25:50] for these tricks and schemes
[00:25:53] that
[00:25:55] are completely false, even if some people
[00:25:59] adorn them. There are those who have an interest
[00:26:02] in adorning such things. I am not belittling them. I am saying that they can
[00:26:06] be a draft for good media, diplomatic, and legal
[00:26:09] work, and that Sudan should strive in it through its missions,
[00:26:13] through its foreign ministry, and through its external media, and through
[00:26:17] its advisors and experts.
[00:26:19] But for some
[00:26:22] achievement, that a mercenary company, a lobbying
[00:26:25] or PR mercenary company, that profits from Sudanese
[00:26:29] affairs, claims that it is behind this,
[00:26:32] or a friendly country or an intermediary between Sudan
[00:26:36] and America claims that it is behind this effort, or some
[00:26:40] individuals and people who
[00:26:43] say that without them, this achievement would not have happened.
[00:26:47] Yes, it is an achievement, but it is an achievement for
[00:26:50] the benefit of American representatives and members of Congress.
[00:26:53] Thank you very much, and quite simply, I repeat my question to you, brother
[00:26:56] Shifa, was a memorandum not issued by
[00:27:00] members of Congress accusing the UAE
[00:27:03] and addressing the request to the UAE's Foreign
[00:27:06] Minister to stop
[00:27:10] arming the Rapid Support Forces? This was in December
[00:27:13] 19, December 2023,
[00:27:15] the morning after
[00:27:18] the fall of Madani. Thank you very much, Professor
[00:27:22] Makki Al-Maghrebi, journalist and political analyst.
[00:27:26] Time is up. I thank you very much for
[00:27:31] Sudan Tonight. Thank you very much, Mr.
[00:27:33] Makki.
[00:27:38] of Sudan Tonight. In conclusion, these are my greetings and the greetings of the work team. Goodbye.