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[00:00:00] Al-Hajanah,
[00:00:01] army. May God grant us victory, God willing, after the training, we
[00:00:03] were able to gain independence on
[00:00:08] at the 56th. So they released us when independence came. Did you graduate or were you in the camp?
[00:00:12] No, no, they released us.
[00:00:16] very large number of They released us. We immediately participated in the parade,
[00:00:18] the honor parade of independence.
[00:00:22] The citizens and the army were all there. At that time, it was called
[00:00:26] Kordofan Directorate. Yes, so after
[00:00:30] the participation, the participation
[00:00:32] was
[00:00:36] very, very
[00:00:38] the closest independent. From the army
[00:00:42] the Engineers. to the citizens, all of the country
[00:00:46] gathered in the directorate. So we attended the occasion.
[00:00:50] And after
[00:00:53] that, you know, there were two foreign flags, the British
[00:00:57] flag and the Egyptian flag. After that,
[00:01:00] she said, "I
[00:01:02] about an important aspect am an officer."
[00:01:06] the siege a father to all officers in All of them were holding the Sudanese flag. The foreign flags were down, and the Sudanese flag was flying
[00:01:10] to me, especially during high. It was raised high.
[00:01:13] It was tied to
[00:01:16] at graduations and the flagpole. And the honor parade was
[00:01:19] going on, a parade of salute, arms, and music.
[00:01:23] The citizens were cheering. They were
[00:01:26] very, very happy
[00:01:28] he also raised about independence. Thank God, after that, the
[00:01:32] occasion ended. So the people were
[00:01:35] happy. We returned to the leadership
[00:01:38] inside. And after
[00:01:40] a while, they immediately moved us to the south, to
[00:01:44] the south's camp. We stayed in the south for
[00:01:47] two years. After
[00:01:49] It was in two years, we came back north and then
[00:01:52] returned
[00:01:55] So I continued for a second time. So I went to the south twice. So in your
[00:01:58] and participate in service in Al-Hajanah, you went twice, three times?
[00:02:05] Tell us about Uncle Shanto at
[00:02:08] busy with operations in
[00:02:11] when you come to
[00:02:15] After the training center in Al-Obeid, it was inside the leadership. At
[00:02:19] that time, but in the end, they moved it to Jabal
[00:02:22] Kordofan outside. But at that time, it was inside
[00:02:25] the leadership. It
[00:02:28] was the center. Well, Uncle Shanto,
[00:02:30] you came to the Military Academy.
[00:02:33] The Sudanese. A long time ago, you knew
[00:02:36] that people would come for courses at the Academy. Indeed,
[00:02:39] and the good people and those with excellent performance would be appointed
[00:02:43] as instructors at the Academy. So we want you to tell us how you came to the Academy
[00:02:47] common names in the Military Academy, Shanto Ali and how you started there. Did you come
[00:02:49] for a course or were you transferred to the Academy? No, I came
[00:02:52] for a course. Before the Academy, I also went for a course in
[00:02:55] Jbeit, a training
[00:02:57] center.
[00:03:00] When I finished, it was
[00:03:02] until today. during the time of
[00:03:04] You are currently at the late Nimeiry. He
[00:03:05] him by his name and what he offered was in charge of here and keep it in Jbeit. I finished and came.
[00:03:09] At that time, my rank was
[00:03:12] about Shanto Ali in the Dalli. I came
[00:03:12] Shanto with you and then they recommended me to come to the Academy
[00:03:15] for training in drill. Indeed,
[00:03:19] we came as a large
[00:03:22] group, and we were in the training. I became a drill instructor.
[00:03:25] So we finished the drill.
[00:03:28] After that, the commandant of the Academy said, "You will be attached to
[00:03:33] the Academy for a while."
[00:03:36] I knew that this was from the beginning. There was training
[00:03:39] so that the
[00:03:41] flatter you. In transfer would be completed. And indeed,
[00:03:43] I said I would go back and give the rifle
[00:03:47] to the Hajanah. He told me, "No, if you go, you might not come back."
[00:03:51] So they sent me to the command. It was delivered. I delivered the rifle. I was told in
[00:03:54] the seventies. So I continued. At that time, who was
[00:03:58] of course, your relationship is with the commandant of the Academy? It was Mohamed Taher Maram.
[00:04:02] He passed away. They were in charge of
[00:04:05] the Academy. He
[00:04:07] was a general.
[00:04:09] So I continued training, training Sudanese students and foreign students from
[00:04:12] the Emirates
[00:04:16] So I monitor them closely and Qatar and foreign students
[00:04:20] from Somalia
[00:04:23] Anything in and Djibouti. We also taught them
[00:04:28] and based on and graduated them. Also, Yemeni students. They also
[00:04:32] came and received training at the Academy.
[00:04:36] Who did you work with at the Academy among the old instructors and leaders
[00:04:39] of the Military Academy?
[00:04:43] Mubarak Aj Ahmed El-Jaili
[00:04:47] and Abdullah Shagaf
[00:04:51] And therefore, it is reflected in and Mohamed Fayez. Many leaders used to come
[00:04:54] for a period of time.
[00:04:58] The students at the Academy
[00:05:02] go to weapons class and training class.
[00:05:04] The drill class has a lot of strictness. There are
[00:05:08] four sections, drill, weapons, and training.
[00:05:12] Tactics, in addition to lectures. The officers are in
[00:05:15] charge of the lectures. This is the period they take
[00:05:20] the Academy. Well, Uncle Shanto, I
[00:05:23] want you to know that after a
[00:05:28] officers and leaders
[00:05:32] graduated from the Military Academy and became active in their careers, you started
[00:05:36] meeting your students, some of whom are generals, some are lieutenants, and some are
[00:05:39] colonels. So in any place, they surely honor
[00:05:43] you and appreciate you especially. How did you
[00:05:46] deal with this? Well, the largest
[00:05:50] batch of students was batch
[00:05:53] 24. There were 700 students.
[00:05:56] This was during Nimeiry's time. This was the largest batch that entered.
[00:06:00] And after that, the batches were smaller,
[00:06:03] 60 and 50 and so on.
[00:06:06] So the number
[00:06:08] decreased.
[00:06:12] The training was continuous. It was continuous
[00:06:15] training. Also, we used to have students
[00:06:18] from Libya. But
[00:06:22] they don't like
[00:06:25] drill. But
[00:06:28] we dealt with them until they graduated. Uncle Shanto,
[00:06:31] you traveled to
[00:06:35] Port Sudan. You traveled to many states, and you found
[00:06:39] your officer children who were taught by you.
[00:06:43] How do they treat you in Port Sudan? Indeed, I went by
[00:06:46] plane from
[00:06:48] Wad Al-Sayedna. The
[00:06:51] people of the dormitory were
[00:06:55] with Ali Badr El-Din.
[00:07:01] Port Sudan.
[00:07:07] a month.
[00:07:10] After that, I was transferred from the
[00:07:13] regional command. I also went.
[00:07:16] I was supposed to return by plane, but at that time, the planes were
[00:07:21] Al-Jazirah. The land was
[00:07:24] hit by airstrikes.
[00:07:27] This was a problem in Port Sudan. So the people of the
[00:07:31] regional command gave us fuel. We
[00:07:34] left Port Sudan and came
[00:07:37] to Atbara. They didn't fall short. The officers
[00:07:40] didn't fall short.
[00:07:55] You provided service in the armed
[00:07:58] forces. A long time ago, they used to call
[00:08:02] the armed forces the Sudanese
[00:08:04] Defense Forces. The Sudanese
[00:08:07] Defense Forces.
[00:08:10] And you are still at the Sudanese Military Academy
[00:08:16] the Military Academy. You are currently at the Military Academy. May God
[00:08:20] grant you health and well-being. You are still in the drill
[00:08:24] wing. As we said, there are four sections: drill, weapons,
[00:08:28] training, tactics, and as I said,
[00:08:30] in addition to lectures. These lectures
[00:08:34] are given by officers. The students complete the period
[00:08:38] and graduate.
[00:08:40] There are students at the Academy. Students at the Academy.
[00:08:44] There is always a lot of strictness in
[00:08:47] Abdullah Sharaf El-Din Square. Military discipline
[00:08:51] and appearance, clothes, buttons, insignia.
[00:08:54] The army is a system
[00:08:57] and discipline. So I
[00:09:00] don't tolerate students wearing
[00:09:03] clothes that are not neat.
[00:09:07] So, if
[00:09:11] a student's uniform is
[00:09:20] not buttoned, I don't
[00:09:22] let them go. This is like
[00:09:25] an enemy to you.
[00:09:29] in the drill field.
[00:09:32] That's why the students were very diligent.
[00:09:35] They were excellent in the field. Indeed, indeed. As soon as
[00:09:39] you appear in the field, everyone checks their insignia.
[00:09:44] And their boots and their uniform.
[00:11:07] Welcome back, we are continuing with our program "Between
[00:11:10] Bonds" from the National Cooperative Foundation. Tonight's
[00:11:14] visit is to our Uncle First Lieutenant Shanto Ali
[00:11:17] Qatia. I think his Excellency Daf'allah,
[00:11:21] Uncle Shanto
[00:11:24] is truly a father,
[00:11:28] the armed forces. And perhaps the time he gave us
[00:11:32] when we were at the Sudanese Military Academy,
[00:11:35] you always find him in the fields
[00:11:38] and
[00:11:41] during training. He was always there and was
[00:11:44] a witness to
[00:11:47] many batches that graduated.
[00:11:51] And praise be to God,
[00:11:53] officers, engineers, and housewives
[00:11:57] at home.
[00:11:59] And this is a great blessing from God Almighty, and it also indicates
[00:12:03] the determination and perseverance of our Uncle Shanto Ali
[00:12:05] Qatia.
[00:12:08] The name Shanto Ali Qatia is a great
[00:12:11] and well-known name. So I want to know what its social impact is on
[00:12:15] you. The name of the father enabled
[00:12:19] me, especially, to have opportunities, but
[00:12:22] I encountered this:
[00:12:25] how can your father be an instructor at the Military Academy
[00:12:29] and in the army, and you went in another direction? You went to
[00:12:33] the police. So, as they say,
[00:12:37] you broke a lot of rules
[00:12:40] and had funny stories.
[00:12:43] The father, may God reward him
[00:12:46] well, even though his children
[00:12:50] are in the Military Academy, he spent a lot of time with
[00:12:53] us. We learned discipline, starting
[00:12:56] from waking up early and
[00:13:00] making your bed and
[00:13:03] ironing your clothes and dressing well.
[00:13:06] And thank God, and the observations, even the
[00:13:12] Qatia and the subtle observations. Any
[00:13:15] small or large observation, as they say, he focuses on it.
[00:13:18] If you don't focus, you won't get
[00:13:21] what you want. And this
[00:13:25] made you great personalities in society. Thank
[00:13:28] God. We find ourselves,
[00:13:32] we won't go out of the framework of home and our Uncle
[00:13:37] at home. His Excellency Daf'allah mentioned that any
[00:13:40] observation is visible to him.
[00:13:43] Of course, this certainly helped you
[00:13:46] to be in the order we saw. Just
[00:13:49] this. Okay, in the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
[00:13:53] The second time.
[00:13:58] The same thing he said, from waking up
[00:14:01] early. Especially if there is travel,
[00:14:05] if you are traveling at 8 AM, he wakes you up at 3 AM
[00:14:08] and checks the road and so on. The barracks really
[00:14:11] created a social
[00:14:14] and emotional bond for us. The barracks represent us
[00:14:18] as one family. And cohesion. And in the barracks,
[00:14:23] the officer. And with
[00:14:26] the engineer, it created a very strong bond.
[00:14:29] By God. So the father
[00:14:33] did not fall short in raising us.
[00:14:36] And he had a very, very big role.
[00:14:39] Even in terms of discipline and
[00:14:42] academic excellence. He used to encourage us very much. And we don't forget the role of our mother,
[00:14:46] she also didn't fall short with us. May God reward
[00:15:06] you. Ayman, how are you? Fine, thank God. I hope you are fine. May God
[00:15:09] grant you health. All people
[00:15:11] wish that
[00:15:15] their children see their father's face all
[00:15:18] day long. Yes. Military life is different.
[00:15:22] It's about a person dedicating their time to
[00:15:25] fulfilling their oath of serving the people and serving
[00:15:27] the nation. So I know that you, Uncle Shanto's family,
[00:15:31] were among the supporters of his journey in the armed
[00:15:34] forces. So I want you to talk about this a little.
[00:15:38] Well, of course,
[00:15:42] we were born in a military
[00:15:45] area, as they say. And besides that,
[00:15:48] our father, may God reward him well, God willing.
[00:15:51] As they say, we became familiar with military life
[00:15:55] without hearing about it or seeing
[00:15:58] it. We became familiar with military life.
[00:16:02] Our father, may God reward him,
[00:16:05] did not fall short. There are things that we
[00:16:08] don't even know. Some of
[00:16:12] them he tells us, and some we hear from people outside
[00:16:16] or from the barracks
[00:16:17] environment.
[00:16:20] The military institution is an old
[00:16:23] and great one. No matter how much you talk
[00:16:27] about it,
[00:16:28] you won't
[00:16:31] do it justice. And as I say,
[00:16:35] there are many things that, as they say, we learned later.
[00:16:38] I am the youngest. Yes, there
[00:16:41] are things I didn't know. I only learned them now during the Karama War.
[00:16:44] They became clearer the
[00:16:48] last period. My time with my father was very
[00:16:51] long. He used to tell us and show
[00:16:54] us that this is what happened, the army is like this and that.
[00:16:57] From its beginning,
[00:17:01] from its beginning.
[00:17:04] From the beginning of its establishment. Yes, from the beginning, he also told
[00:17:08] us about the raising of the Sudanese flag
[00:17:11] for independence. These are all things that are a source of pride.
[00:17:14] This is a source of pride and honor. Yes, as they say, pride and honor.
[00:17:18] We are happy. Ibrahim Saeed
[00:17:21] Qatia has many admirers and fans, and
[00:17:25] people who are proud of him. You probably
[00:17:29] experienced Uncle Shanto at the Military Academy. Certainly,
[00:17:32] and at that
[00:17:34] time,
[00:17:37] there was no distinction between you and any other student.
[00:17:42] the Academy. Well, apart from the division
[00:17:46] of the companies, the drill
[00:17:50] fields, Uncle Shanto doesn't know anyone.
[00:17:54] He has that quality.
[00:17:57] And then, of course,
[00:18:00] because of his strict discipline, and he participated in independence
[00:18:03] parades, and flag ceremonies.
[00:18:07] He has a keen eye for observation. Any
[00:18:09] small movement, as they say, even if it's inside
[00:18:13] your boot, he will notice it. Subhanallah.
[00:18:16] It's a feeling. In addition
[00:18:19] to that, woe to you
[00:18:23] if you come unprepared or if
[00:18:26] there is an extra thread that you haven't removed. This was a big problem.
[00:18:30] He was with our Uncle Ismail,
[00:18:34] may God have mercy on him. He also had that observation. The students
[00:18:37] would gather every little detail
[00:18:43] their memory. And until today,
[00:18:47] I know people who are generals and
[00:18:50] colonels. As soon as you mention
[00:18:54] the Military Academy, Uncle Shanto and Uncle
[00:18:57] Bia come to mind immediately. And some people, may God have mercy on them.
[00:19:00] There are groups
[00:19:04] that are remembered. They are all the same, with the same performance and so on. But
[00:19:07] there are people
[00:19:10] who have extra discipline. Shanto is known for this.
[00:19:14] No matter who you are, even if you are his brother, he won't
[00:19:19] the military, he won't flatter you without insults.
[00:19:22] Without this. But of course, the terms of
[00:19:26] drill are for teaching and for making a person
[00:19:29] a good, disciplined person who takes things seriously. The person
[00:19:33] who is lenient or doesn't accept it, you
[00:19:37] feel that he is internally angry and upset.
[00:19:41] This is a type of sincerity, of course, that is evident. And after that,
[00:19:45] in the end, the reputation of
[00:19:47] the wing was mostly
[00:19:51] even them. The best thing about them is that they transfer experiences
[00:19:55] and expertise. The issue of sequence does not change.
[00:20:00] education can be modified, but drill is fixed
[00:20:06] discipline. That's why
[00:20:08] discipline and control, some people insist that it should be discipline and control
[00:20:12] and proper drill. Among the instructors, he is the
[00:20:16] foundation upon which
[00:20:19] all military matters are built. And of course, you
[00:20:23] are aware of this matter. Without discipline, there is no
[00:20:26] proper military.
[00:20:28] behavior.
[00:20:31] And even in a person's upbringing, they can reach high
[00:20:34] ranks, but the issue of discipline. If
[00:20:38] the balance is disturbed, the impact will be easier. And therefore,
[00:20:42] even reports are repeated.
[00:21:13] Khalid, you are not young.
[00:21:17] During
[00:21:20] the Karama battle,
[00:21:24] you were among
[00:21:28] family members, and you were with our Uncle Shanto in
[00:21:32] History is history, and history is
[00:21:36] not exaggerated.
[00:21:38] We say that we
[00:21:41] are lucky to be witnessing
[00:21:45] history. And it is now moving forward.
[00:21:48] May God grant them health and well-being. And the best luck is that I was one of the closest
[00:21:52] people to him during
[00:21:56] in the Engineers. And for me, it was
[00:22:00] something indescribable.
[00:22:03] But with his humor and among
[00:22:07] the funny things, when he was
[00:22:10] working
[00:22:12] and writing, when the writing happened,
[00:22:15] people were trying to protect themselves. But he was
[00:22:19] moving.
[00:22:26] But the spirituality within him, from within the military institution and its sons,
[00:22:30] made him unable to bear it. Even at that moment, it was a little difficult
[00:22:33] for me and my brother Daf'allah.
[00:22:36] But we found that this was something involuntary
[00:22:39] within him.
[00:22:41] After that, as he said, it continued, and we became more fortunate. So he
[00:22:45] also tried to go
[00:22:48] the operations.
[00:22:51] So, when the army advanced during the siege
[00:22:54] from one stage to another, when the army moved
[00:22:58] five steps, he would be at the fourth step
[00:23:02] behind them to witness that they
[00:23:05] were not advancing. Even the
[00:23:08] officers, the brother officers and non-commissioned officers,
[00:23:12] used to tell him, "Uncle Shanto, go back." But he couldn't.
[00:23:15] It was a period that,
[00:23:19] as he said, despite its difficulty, it was a history that I
[00:23:23] witnessed. What the father provided,
[00:23:27] and this is what we experienced with his long history,
[00:23:30] as he said, I lived and saw it during the Karama War
[00:23:34] and the siege of the Engineers.
[00:23:37] History, and even his name for us, is a siege. But a siege
[00:23:40] that, as he said, we don't move a step and then
[00:23:44] find that the siege means that it was
[00:23:48] making history for us. History that everyone appreciates.
[00:23:52] They appreciate
[00:23:55] to the armed forces. Even this extended to the civilian
[00:23:59] level, where people talk
[00:24:02] Qatia.
[00:24:39] was very happy.
[00:24:43] Our visit from the National Cooperative Foundation to you
[00:24:46] in your honorable home. And
[00:24:50] perhaps the example of Uncle Shanto Ali Qatia
[00:24:54] and many instructors who dedicated their time
[00:24:57] and offered the most valuable
[00:25:01] to the students at the Military Academy, and as I said, in all institutes
[00:25:04] and colleges. I salute them and ask
[00:25:08] God Almighty to grant those who are alive long life
[00:25:11] and to have mercy on those who were martyred
[00:25:15] or passed away and to grant them the highest
[00:25:38] you. Before I conclude the episode,
[00:25:41] I will let the mother give us a simple word
[00:25:45] about our Uncle Shanto Ali Qatia. In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. By God, Uncle
[00:25:48] Shanto
[00:25:50] did not fall short. We thank you very much. By God,
[00:25:54] you did not fall short at all with your uncle. May God grant you health, God
[00:25:57] willing. The whole army, O Lord of the Worlds, protect the whole
[00:26:03] among the victors, O Lord of the Worlds. Amen, may God grant you health. May God bless
[00:26:07] you. Thank you. May God bless you. Thank you, Uncle Shanto.
[00:26:11] Praise be to God. May God bless you. Congratulations.
[00:26:14] May God grant you health. Now, Uncle
[00:26:17] Shanto, the Karama War, the war is coming to an end.
[00:26:21] And the Rapid Support Forces will be gone, God willing. God willing. I want you to reassure the people
[00:26:25] who are watching us that the armed forces, God willing, will soon
[00:26:28] liberate all of Sudan, God willing. God willing. I want you to reassure them and give them the message.
[00:26:33] Yes, please. Indeed,
[00:26:36] I hope that the army
[00:26:39] will liberate all areas.
[00:26:42] And when they say, for example, the army is entering such and such an area, I become
[00:26:46] very happy.
[00:26:55] an episode from the "Between
[00:26:57] Bonds" series.
[00:27:00] We certainly learned
[00:27:04] of the life of our Uncle First Lieutenant Shanto Ali Qatia.
[00:27:07] And we learned about all the stages
[00:27:11] he went through until he reached the Military Academy, the Sudanese,
[00:27:14] and his great dedication that lasted for many
[00:27:17] years in service to the armed forces
[00:27:21] and to the Sudanese people. God willing, "Between
[00:27:24] Bonds" continues.
[00:27:26] And until we meet you in the next episode, peace
[00:27:30] be upon you and the mercy of God and His blessings.