SUDAN — broadcast 20260920 020000 UTC 482 transcript segments Google Cloud Speech-to-Text API (Chirp) + Gemini 2.5 Flash Non-Thinking Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:00:00] Your defender is sand, he keeps you cool. [00:00:03] Somalia, the army of the country. [00:00:06] Your people want you to [00:00:11] have the right to choose where he referred to a number of keep your history forever, for a long time. As if, O Zulad, [00:00:20] on this whether it was with a quad [00:00:23] or a Kalash and Dushka and a rifle, [00:00:25] we saw the smoke rising [00:00:29] like thunderous rain. Our army, O [00:00:32] army of the country, your people [00:00:35] denying want you forever. You have left a history for eternity, [00:00:39] as if you [00:00:39] were born to be gold. [00:00:47] is now following what is happening on We saw the fedayeen [00:00:50] in two years, snipers came and trained [00:00:54] a tank, a rocket launcher, a destroyer, and he saw how [00:00:57] he stood up and sat down. Our army, the country's [00:01:02] customs means in people, want you [00:01:02] where the same things that are happening in forever. [00:01:03] the operation in You have left a history for eternity, as if, O Zulad, [00:01:12] for the purpose of pushing it into [00:01:18] significant advance. This the planes are striking with pain those who flew and cast them [00:01:21] away. They were dressed for us, Suad, and after them, [00:01:24] how the rain pours down. Long live our army, [00:01:27] the army of the country, your people want you. You have left a [00:01:31] history for eternity, as if you went and gave birth. [00:01:36] a rebellion present in [00:01:37] and then the transition. And the remarkable thing, [00:01:38] Algeria. It was classified by [00:01:41] has, this [00:01:46] The planes are striking with pain those who period, changed flew [00:01:49] and cast them away. They wore our clothes, [00:01:54] region, and it has a headquarters in Suad, and after them, how the rain falls. Our army, O army of the country, [00:01:57] your people want to eat. [00:02:03] and economic aggression against forces in You have left a history for eternity, as if, O Zulad, [00:02:10] everyone. When we talk [00:02:16] reason for their management of our army, O army of the country, your people want you to [00:02:19] forever keep the history of time, as if, O [00:02:24] forces were preserving David, [00:02:25] and no. [00:02:31] and failed in Sudan and failed in [00:02:32] corps, the engineers, [00:02:38] happened in the and is located [00:02:43] specifically at this [00:02:51] a number of of presidents in [00:02:52] Tebboune in [00:02:57] the country or others abroad. President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud in whether to individuals inside [00:03:07] of Zionism is moving in [00:03:12] operations, of course, are only [00:03:17] Our thanks and appreciation [00:03:19] facing the country, Sudan is capable of to the Sudanese people for their strong stance that swept [00:03:22] across our country in support, victory, [00:03:25] and backing of the armed forces. They are [00:03:29] from them and to them, and they will [00:03:33] impose great burdens on never be let down, God willing. [00:04:30] addressed this [00:04:36] external agenda imposed on [00:04:41] it is as if you have finished [00:04:53] In the name of God, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful, our viewers everywhere, welcome to this new [00:05:00] sabotage and comment on this episode of "Axis of Events," in which we analyze and follow the most prominent developments on the political, military, [00:05:04] and security fronts, many events. In this [00:05:07] episode, we discuss Al-Burhan: "High prices are part of the battle, [00:05:10] and we will emerge from it just as we drove the rebellion out of Khartoum." Also, [00:05:14] a pre-emptive strike by the armed forces destroys the solid force in [00:05:18] the Kili region in the Blue Nile. And the Minister of [00:05:21] Finance: "Market speculation is unreal, and its goal is [00:05:25] to weaken the state and subjugate the state." Also, Al-Nour [00:05:28] Al-Guba: "Militia elements stand with the armed [00:05:32] forces, but they fear revenge [00:05:34] and liquidation." Also, the Minister of Agriculture participates in [00:05:38] the meetings of the IGAD [00:05:41] ministerial body. All these and more topics will be covered with [00:05:44] my guest inside the studio, Dr. Mohamed Youssef, academic [00:05:48] and political analyst. Welcome, [00:06:03] directly with our first file in this episode: [00:06:06] The armed forces enter Umm Samima by force and power [00:06:10] and inflict heavy losses on the rebel militia [00:06:13] amid continuous field advances. Our Sudanese [00:06:16] armed forces and supporting forces carried out a precise [00:06:20] pre-emptive attack on Friday in the southern direction of the Kili [00:06:23] region, based on accurate intelligence information, where [00:06:26] the swift operation resulted in heavy losses in the enemy's ranks, [00:06:30] including the destruction of nine combat vehicles with all their [00:06:33] equipment and the elimination of a number of mercenaries from the Rapid Support [00:06:37] Militia, owned by the Dagalo family. In total, the solid [00:06:40] force was completely destroyed and the enemy [00:06:43] force in the region was completely paralyzed. So, [00:06:46] Dr. Mohamed Youssef, this is [00:06:49] another success and the destruction of a solid force [00:06:52] for the militia in the Kili region in the Blue [00:06:55] Nile region. First, what is the importance of this region [00:06:58] and your reading of [00:07:01] this emphasis on tactics of the armed [00:07:30] these days, the armed forces are [00:07:34] conducting very large operations [00:07:37] in all axes. Yes, [00:07:40] and speaking about the Kili [00:07:43] region, I believe that it is a very important region [00:07:47] on the border strip between Sudan and Ethiopia, [00:07:51] and it is about 150 [00:07:55] kilometers from the capital of the Blue Nile [00:07:58] region, Al-Damazine. Uh-huh. And of course, it [00:08:01] was a qualitative operation and a preemptive [00:08:04] strike that the armed forces carried out [00:08:07] deep in the rebellious militia, [00:08:11] and of course, this is known [00:08:15] in [00:08:17] military terms as the element of surprise, and the element [00:08:21] of sudden attack, and such [00:08:25] carried out by armies that are [00:08:27] trained and qualified [00:08:30] and possess experience in such [00:08:33] operations, and therefore they are able [00:08:36] to carry out such swift operations, [00:08:40] and quick and sudden operations. Such [00:08:49] operations by the armed forces, through the information and intelligence [00:08:53] agencies, gathered very sufficient information about [00:08:57] the gatherings of this rebellious militia, and it is unfortunately [00:09:00] supported with full equipment from Ethiopia, [00:09:04] from the Ethiopian army, of course, [00:09:06] and it was prepared very well [00:09:09] to carry out [00:09:12] destructive acts or to penetrate [00:09:16] south. But the armed forces [00:09:19] were able to obtain all this very accurate [00:09:23] information after monitoring and tracking enemy movements. [00:09:26] Thus, they were able to [00:09:30] carry out a very swift [00:09:33] and sudden operation by surprise [00:09:36] and completely destroyed this force, and it is truly [00:09:40] a force from the [00:09:43] forces that are considered to be among the hard [00:09:46] core elements. Elements were trained in the Assosa region [00:09:49] and were qualified and [00:09:52] fully equipped in order to advance. But of course, [00:09:56] the armed forces had another opinion, so [00:09:59] this force was destroyed. Doctor, the more victories are achieved [00:10:03] in the fighting axes [00:10:06] now, the Blue Nile axis, and a few days ago, or yesterday, [00:10:10] also, the Kordofan [00:10:12] axis. Great victories for the armed forces. The witness [00:10:16] is that the more these victories advance, the more [00:10:19] the media deception rooms and the making of media lies, the media room [00:10:23] published the lies about [00:10:27] these suppressing victories of the armed [00:10:30] forces. What is your comment? It is true, of course, [00:10:33] the militia and its helpers [00:10:35] and supporters inside and outside, they [00:10:39] know very well that they cannot achieve victory [00:10:42] on the ground. Therefore, they are now deliberately [00:10:46] misleading public opinion and spreading lies [00:10:49] through sometimes [00:10:52] turning defeats into [00:10:55] false victories, and at other times [00:11:00] everything that happens on the ground for this rebellious militia. But I believe that [00:11:04] the world is now an open book, and the world is [00:11:07] a collection of mobile pages. The entire world [00:11:12] the ground, and the entire world knows that this rebellious militia [00:11:16] is now faltering. It is retreating very significantly, [00:11:19] and there is great progress for the armed forces in all axes. [00:11:23] After this blessed operation, [00:11:28] which the armed forces used the element of surprise [00:11:32] and destroyed the force in the Kili region, there are Kordofan [00:11:35] axes. Now there is an advance of the armed forces, [00:11:39] Um Samima and others. There is a very [00:11:43] advance is not just victories for the armed [00:11:47] forces, but rather a new, well-planned military strategy [00:11:50] that the armed forces are now using [00:11:54] to advance and open up [00:11:57] towards the liberation of all Kordofan regions, [00:12:02] Doctor, is that this militia [00:12:08] from offense to defense. How do you view [00:12:12] this change in status? Yes, it is true, it [00:12:16] is, frankly, this militia has never [00:12:19] achieved real military victories. All [00:12:23] the areas that this rebellious militia took over were areas [00:12:27] where it was already present, but the armed forces had [00:12:30] strategies, meaning the rebellious militia [00:12:33] works without [00:12:37] military action, without planned action, without methodology. But the armed forces [00:12:40] began this imposed battle, first [00:12:44] with a defense policy. It was known that the armed [00:12:49] the important weapons that were present in the general [00:12:52] command, the armored vehicles, the signal [00:12:57] and other very important weapons. The armed forces were in a defensive [00:13:00] position. After that, another strategy came, [00:13:04] which is the strategy of opening up through special [00:13:07] operations, through carrying out special operations by special [00:13:11] forces, limited forces. After that, the opening up occurred until many [00:13:14] areas were liberated, and this rebellious militia was expelled after [00:13:18] the war moved to Kordofan region and the Kordofan areas [00:13:22] controlled by this rebellious militia. Also, there is a strategy [00:13:25] used by the armed forces, which is the strategy [00:13:28] of not preserving any [00:13:31] area or piece of land. There was only [00:13:35] a special operation to deplete the enemy's capabilities. [00:13:38] The armed forces entered the Bara region more than [00:13:42] once, but did not remain in the Bara region. They did not hold [00:13:45] the ground at all, but there were specific objectives that the armed [00:13:49] forces carried out, and they knew that there were strategic objectives that needed [00:13:53] to be executed and destroyed. Yes, the enemy's force before [00:13:56] the armed forces moved. Therefore, that was the strategy. Therefore, [00:14:00] they entered Bara more than once, even Um Samima, and conquered it more than once, but [00:14:04] the goal was not to hold the ground. Now the new [00:14:07] strategy, after breaking the enemy's defenses [00:14:11] and destroying its strong military infrastructure, the armed forces are now [00:14:15] steadily advancing and holding the ground and expanding [00:14:17] towards the south. Yes, Dr. Mohamed Youssef, I will move with you and the esteemed [00:14:21] viewer to the second file in this episode. Al-Burhan: [00:14:25] "High prices are part of the battle, and we will [00:14:28] emerge from it just as we drove the rebellion out of Khartoum." [00:14:32] The President of the Transitional Sovereignty Council, Abdel Fattah Al-Burhan, affirmed that the battle [00:14:35] continues to eliminate the rebellion and defeat it, and it will not end until it is decisively [00:14:39] dealt with and ended. Al-Burhan stated, when addressing the worshippers [00:14:43] after performing Friday prayers at the Sherif Youssef Al-Hindi barracks [00:14:46] in the Bari area, that they are committed to the Sudanese people that these [00:14:50] killers will not have a foothold in Sudan again, [00:14:54] welcoming everyone who joins the call of duty and homeland and surrenders [00:14:57] himself, declaring his rejection of any [00:15:01] the Sudanese people. Al-Burhan said that what we are experiencing [00:15:04] these days of economic crisis, high prices, and scarcity of [00:15:08] resources is nothing but a part of this battle, and we [00:15:11] will emerge victorious from it, just as we drove the rebellion out of Khartoum [00:15:15] and other cities. I [00:15:18] am very happy to talk about this topic [00:15:23] file. We are joined by phone [00:15:25] by Professor Makki [00:15:36] of course, this visit of Mr. Abdel [00:15:39] Fattah Al-Burhan to the Bari region, [00:15:45] messages and implications, [00:15:48] and the most prominent was that [00:15:50] this economic battle is only part of this battle. How [00:15:54] do you comment initially [00:16:10] Certainly, we are now fighting an economic war, and it is, to be precise, [00:16:13] a war of economic sabotage, [00:16:17] because economic war occurs between states through natural [00:16:20] means, sanctions, [00:16:22] competition. It is ultimately a war, but it uses [00:16:26] commercial and economic [00:16:29] and legal means. But what is happening now is not [00:16:32] just an economic war, because it uses [00:16:35] direct [00:16:39] economic sabotage, and it is a mixture of intelligence [00:16:43] and crimes such [00:16:47] as printing Sudanese currency [00:16:49] the markets to raise [00:16:51] prices, [00:16:54] causing market disruptions, spreading specific [00:16:56] rumors. So we must distinguish [00:17:00] that when we say economic war now, we do not mean economic [00:17:03] competition, because we can say that there is now an economic war between China [00:17:07] and America, but in reality, it is [00:17:10] competition that has taken [00:17:13] the form of economic struggle between [00:17:16] two powers. But what is happening now against [00:17:19] Sudan is an economic war, because Sudan does not compete with [00:17:22] the UAE. We have not put ourselves forward, nor are [00:17:26] we competitors even to Ethiopia, nor Chad, nor merchants [00:17:29] of Egypt, nor anywhere else. Sudan has not been [00:17:33] a party to an economic war, [00:17:36] and therefore it is a war of economic sabotage [00:17:41] Sudan due to the failure in military [00:17:44] progress against Sudan. I mean, the treatment that [00:17:47] was done in the previous topic [00:17:50] confirms that the main [00:17:54] the war against Sudan is the victory [00:17:56] and progress of the Sudanese army, which has now filled [00:18:00] the ears and eyes and completely overturned the balances, [00:18:03] and greatly disrupted their calculations. [00:18:08] It is a matter that requires [00:18:11] attention because what [00:18:15] Sudanese military progress is an astonishing [00:18:28] this visit has other social [00:18:32] and popular aspects, as well. What is the impact of such [00:18:36] visits? Also, the Sudanese people, [00:18:39] the closeness between the leadership and the base is a very [00:18:42] important matter, and it is one of the means of success [00:18:45] and means of resisting economic, [00:18:48] administrative, and hybrid warfare. Yes, I mean, we [00:18:51] are talking about a broader term than economic war and military [00:18:55] war, and it has been summarized in [00:18:58] the term hybrid warfare, which is different from total [00:19:02] war, because total war is a war of all kinds, but [00:19:06] hybrid warfare is a mixture, meaning the [00:19:09] single strike in hybrid warfare is [00:19:12] focused, containing economics, military, intelligence, [00:19:16] and security, and it is a specific concept. [00:19:18] I have explained it before in [00:19:21] several places. But [00:19:25] what comes to my mind now is to say that the convergence between [00:19:28] the leadership and the base strengthens the internal front, [00:19:31] which qualifies Sudanese people to confront [00:19:35] hybrid wars and economic sabotage, military and otherwise. [00:19:39] Why? Because the war of economic [00:19:42] sabotage, its most important element [00:19:45] and a precursor to the crimes that have occurred now, [00:19:48] such as injecting currency into Nyala [00:19:52] and other places, no, there is a matter preceding [00:19:55] this, which is striking the administrative [00:19:58] capabilities of the state, because [00:20:01] the administrative capabilities of the state are like [00:20:04] the nervous system, and the economy is like the brain [00:20:08] that issues orders [00:20:11] for the muscles to move. It is the nervous system. Therefore, if you strike [00:20:15] the nervous system of the state, [00:20:19] the economy and the administration at the same time. [00:20:22] Yes, Sudan was targeted with simple administrative [00:20:26] sabotage and deep administrative sabotage [00:20:29] before it entered the stage of economic sabotage. [00:20:33] Okay, Professor, and the deep administrative [00:20:38] that happened in Sudan, its most important element [00:20:41] is that the state's ability to manage [00:20:44] its economic operations is flawed by classifications, [00:20:48] meaning that the government is choked and constrained [00:20:51] in its choices. When you choose someone for a specific position, [00:20:55] you find a sword hanging over its neck [00:20:59] bring so-and-so." Even outsiders interfere [00:21:02] in internal appointments, and this is the worst [00:21:06] stage of paralyzing the state's administrative capabilities in preparation for the economic [00:21:09] war that we are witnessing now. Okay, Professor Makki Al-Maghrabi, [00:21:13] also Mr. Al-Burhan's speech from inside the Sherif Al-Hindi [00:21:16] Mosque in the Bari area in Khartoum, [00:21:20] also a message from [00:21:22] which many implications can be drawn. How [00:21:26] do you interpret it, and to whom was this message [00:21:29] sent? [00:21:31] I believe it is not a local message. If [00:21:35] we are talking about the militia, that the army commander [00:21:38] and the head of the Sovereignty Council addresses the militia, I believe [00:21:42] that the militia deserves a message [00:21:45] far less than that. But, Ms. Sawsan, [00:21:48] we are now in an environment [00:21:52] Sudan are happening elsewhere. Therefore, [00:21:56] the Sudanese presidency must speak, yes, [00:21:59] truly, from inside the Sudanese pulpit, the Sherif Al-Hindi Mosque [00:22:02] in the Bari area. Yes, [00:22:05] but this message is for the world. [00:22:09] A week ago, what happened? Algeria cut its diplomatic [00:22:12] relations with the aggressor state, the Abu Dhabi regime. Why? [00:22:16] Because the aggressor state funded the independence movement of [00:22:21] the tribes. It is a separatist movement, [00:22:28] the Algerian state in 2020 as a terrorist [00:22:31] group, and it supports terrorism inside Algeria. [00:22:35] And this movement formed [00:22:38] a government that it called the government of the Kabyle [00:22:44] Al-Munfada. Does this not resemble what you are seeing in Sudan [00:22:47] now? Yes, the claim of a government they call [00:22:50] "foundation," and I call it a "de facto government," because there is nothing [00:22:54] but prison in Nyala [00:22:57] from the grip of the militia [00:23:00] and the claim that they have a cause and the claim [00:23:03] that there are political mouthpieces exactly like that. [00:23:07] It happened in Algeria, it happens anywhere. The straw that broke the camel's [00:23:11] back was a complete coup attempt [00:23:14] in Niger, exactly like the coup attempts that [00:23:17] were carried out in Sudan and elsewhere, [00:23:21] Niger. The plan was for this attempt to be carried out in Niger, [00:23:25] adjacent to Algeria, and for Algeria to be invaded [00:23:28] by armed movements. Yes, Professor, why [00:23:31] Sudan time? Al-Burhan's [00:23:35] speech is not new among the speeches [00:23:39] the region. President Algeria, [00:23:45] Somalia, President Issayas Afwerki. [00:23:47] All the region now [00:23:51] complains of the same complaint: that [00:23:54] the claw [00:23:57] the region, wanting to divide the region, waging [00:24:00] military and economic wars against it. The issue is ongoing. [00:24:04] I repeat, the issue is ongoing, and those who dream [00:24:07] and imagine that it is just one or two meetings, and you sit [00:24:11] with them and give them a port, and talk like that, that is not true. They had a large [00:24:15] economic leverage during Bashir's era. [00:24:18] That means, yes, Professor Makki Al-Maghrabi, I mean, [00:24:21] Mr. Al-Burhan, through his visits and tours here [00:24:25] and there, every time he emphasizes the constants of the Sudanese [00:24:28] nation and emphasizes certain messages [00:24:31] and implications through the platforms [00:24:35] he appears on. How do you view this approach from [00:24:38] a media perspective? [00:24:41] Well, Al-Burhan's speech [00:24:44] is good, and we were with him [00:24:47] a few days ago at a forum [00:24:50] for media professionals, and he began his speech with a quote [00:24:53] attributed to Churchill, but this quote is originally [00:24:57] about the government that every [00:25:00] people deserves. [00:25:04] And our question here is, does the existing government deserve [00:25:08] the Sudanese people? I do not want to criticize the amount of hope [00:25:11] in the government, nor their efforts, nor detract from [00:25:15] their sacrifices. It is enough for us that there are those [00:25:18] who sit in Khartoum and represent the rule [00:25:22] of Sudan and do not care [00:25:25] about the targeting that is happening with the imported goods [00:25:28] and others. But I believe that [00:25:31] the practical translation of Mr. Al-Burhan's speech, [00:25:34] whether at the Sherif Al-Hindi Mosque or elsewhere, [00:25:37] is that he must first overthrow the unjust, oppressive [00:25:41] standard that imposes a sword [00:25:44] on the government's neck, that the government [00:25:47] has a list [00:25:51] of political options [00:25:54] or is prohibited from certain descriptions, [00:25:57] and that if it chooses [00:26:01] the worthy person for a position elsewhere, there are those who attack [00:26:05] the government, discipline it, hold [00:26:08] it accountable, and say to them, "You do not [00:26:32] You certainly followed this visit of Mr. Al-Burhan [00:26:35] to the Sherif Al-Hindi Mosque. [00:26:38] How do you interpret the dimensions and implications of this visit? [00:26:42] Yes, first of all, it is an important visit, and I agree with [00:26:46] Professor Makki Al-Maghrabi on all that he said [00:26:49] and followed. First, the closeness [00:26:52] between the President of the Sovereignty Council [00:26:55] and the citizens, I believe it greatly [00:26:58] reduces the psychological crises that [00:27:03] the Sudanese people are experiencing. In addition to that, [00:27:07] assessing the conditions of citizens on the ground [00:27:10] in any forum, no matter what [00:27:14] kind of forums they are, [00:27:17] I also believe it has a special impact on the citizens' souls. [00:27:21] And I believe that this is an approach that the President of the Sovereignty [00:27:25] Council adopted early on, to interact [00:27:28] with citizens and listen to them directly. [00:27:31] Perhaps he [00:27:33] visited a very great symbol [00:27:37] among the symbols of the country, I mean, the Sherif Al-Hindi barracks [00:27:41] or this family, in general, has a deep-rooted [00:27:44] history in Sudan, and it has contributed greatly [00:27:48] to the history of Sudan in all fields: religious [00:27:52] fields, political fields, economic, [00:27:56] literary, and artistic fields. Everything [00:27:59] was present and had a clear impact. [00:28:04] Therefore, I believe that this is another message as well, that Mr. [00:28:08] President, President of Sovereignty, stands at an equal distance with [00:28:13] about this family, we talk about the Democratic Union. We talk [00:28:17] about the [00:28:19] Sufi role [00:28:22] as a religious aspect. We talk about [00:28:26] the social aspect of this [00:28:30] large and ancient family. [00:28:32] Also, we talk about the cultural role and the literary [00:28:36] role. It has contributed greatly [00:28:39] both in enriching [00:28:42] culture greatly, the Prophetic Madayih and others, [00:28:45] and also the Sufi الوسطية. So I believe that he [00:28:49] chose a very suitable place to send these [00:28:52] messages in [00:28:54] directions, [00:28:59] Yes, Dr. Mohamed Youssef, I will move with you [00:29:03] and the esteemed viewer to the third file in this [00:29:06] episode. Jibreel Ibrahim: "We suffer from unreal [00:29:10] speculations intended to subjugate us, but we will [00:29:13] only bow to God." The Minister of Finance and Economy [00:29:16] affirmed that despite the deep repercussions of the war and the pressures [00:29:21] resilience, pointing out that Sudan faces, in addition [00:29:25] to the military war, an economic and media war and speculation in [00:29:28] the currency market aimed at weakening and subjugating the state. He said that [00:29:32] the current economic conditions [00:29:35] citizens, stressing that overcoming them requires concerted [00:29:39] national efforts and preserving state institutions [00:29:42] and continuing production and services. So, Dr. [00:29:45] Mohamed Youssef, this was the statement of Mr. Jibreel, [00:29:49] the Minister of Finance, during a visit to [00:29:53] the Salha area, where [00:29:56] he stated that there are [00:29:58] speculations in the market, but they are not real. [00:30:03] In your opinion, what are the measures that [00:30:06] can be taken by the government [00:30:10] to curb this economic crisis? [00:30:13] First of all, it is an engineered economic crisis, [00:30:16] and the President of the Sovereignty Council spoke about it in [00:30:20] his speech. Yes, and he also clarified that it is part of the battle [00:30:23] of dignity. And also, [00:30:26] the President, or the Minister of Finance, Dr. [00:30:29] Jibreel, also yesterday [00:30:33] issue and confirmed that all [00:30:36] these speculations are [00:30:39] false. They are media fabrications, [00:30:43] the goal of which is to subjugate the Sudanese people. Yes, and this [00:30:47] I will immediately conclude the conversation I mentioned a little while ago, [00:30:50] Professor Makki Al-Maghrebi, that [00:30:53] there is an attempt to sabotage the Sudanese [00:30:56] economy with all sorts of tools, meaning whether it's these tools