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[00:00:21] work, which will in Syria can benefit from this
[00:00:28] when there is transparency a legal perspective, are there any the coming period. Okay, Mr. Ali, from forum or this
[00:00:30] and integrity in institutional
[00:00:34] The levers of state building are many and varied, and every work. This will reflect on
[00:00:38] government action at this stage is part of this
[00:00:41] building. The stronger and more solid these levers are, the
[00:00:44] faster and stronger the building process becomes.
[00:00:48] In Doha, Syria is participating in
[00:00:52] the conference of the States Parties to the Arab Convention
[00:00:55] against Corruption in order to
[00:00:58] gain experience, take its time, and discuss mechanisms
[00:01:02] for promoting integrity and its importance
[00:01:04] and its impact on institutional work, from modernizing
[00:01:08] systems and developing oversight methods to promoting
[00:01:12] professional conduct
[00:01:14] extent is the Syrian state able to reduce training to corruption. So, among society has been completely and other factors that contribute is taking to reduce to fighting
[00:01:17] corruption. As for infrastructure rehabilitation,
[00:01:21] we move to Deir Ezzor, where its
[00:01:25] First, I would like to comment on
[00:01:25] its rightful place among governor met with the Minister of Housing to discuss mechanisms for accelerating the rehabilitation
[00:01:29] of bridges, roads, and public services, which will contribute to
[00:01:33] resolving many
[00:01:34] to review the of the crises resulting from the collapse of the
[00:01:37] the existing corruption. Also, among infrastructure, due to the heavy
[00:01:40] legacy left by the distant regime. A new episode of the
[00:01:44] "Syria Time" program. Welcome.
[00:01:46] transformation operations in the Commission This has a great role in
[00:01:49] many burdens from have been completed. There are several and training of employees in
[00:02:05] accelerating Welcome again. The Minister of joint protocols with any of the
[00:02:09] Foreign Affairs and Expatriates, Saadah Shibani, conducted a
[00:02:12] and inspection in field tour, or rather, within
[00:02:15] several places. But also,
[00:02:19] Syria
[00:02:22] continued its participation in the Arab Convention
[00:02:27] of the Syrian state from this against Corruption in Doha, and several
[00:02:30] meetings were held with officials there. We follow this report for more
[00:02:35] various oversight bodies in details. In the framework of strengthening
[00:02:38] inherited many burdens Arab institutional cooperation and exchanging expertise in
[00:02:40] the fields of oversight and integrity, Syria and Qatar in
[00:02:44] Doha discussed ways to develop
[00:02:46] and the oversight in the way of oversight work and enhance its efficiency. During
[00:02:49] a meeting between the head of the Central Commission for Oversight and Inspection,
[00:02:52] Amer Al-Ali, and the head of the Qatari Administrative Control
[00:02:57] be overcome. Therefore, there are many and Transparency Authority, Hamad bin Nasser Al-Misnad, the two sides discussed prospects
[00:03:01] for expanding cooperation and benefiting from mutual experiences and expertise
[00:03:04] in a way that
[00:03:07] qualitative leaps strengthens oversight mechanisms and supports the principles of integrity
[00:03:09] of states, and what are and transparency in institutional
[00:03:12] Arab work. The Syrian delegation also learned
[00:03:12] are not content with this, but rather about the Qatari experience in implementing the United Nations
[00:03:16] Convention against Corruption, and the two sides discussed
[00:03:19] the possibility of benefiting from modern mechanisms and practices
[00:03:22] in improving
[00:03:25] The impact performance in institutional
[00:03:26] is not limited work. The Syrian delegation also learned about the Qatari experience in
[00:03:31] objectives of this the UN Convention against Corruption, and the two sides discussed
[00:03:34] the possibility of benefiting from modern mechanisms and practices
[00:03:38] in improving performance
[00:03:41] the second challenge is public funds and government on issues related to promoting integrity and preventing corruption, and the role of artificial
[00:03:44] intelligence in supporting
[00:03:46] and benefit from Arab countries in this anti-corruption efforts, in addition to
[00:03:49] strengthening cooperation between oversight
[00:03:51] in this conference, especially by the and anti-corruption bodies in Arab
[00:03:56] its role, and therefore this is one of countries. To discuss this file further, viewers,
[00:03:59] we are joined by Talib Al-Dagheem, academic
[00:04:01] something common in and researcher in Syrian affairs, from
[00:04:03] has specialized inspectors in this Doha. Also joining us is Professor Ali Suleiman, Assistant Head of the
[00:04:06] Central Commission for Oversight and Inspection, from
[00:04:14] whose salary did not with you, Mr. Ali. Since
[00:04:17] you are currently in Doha and are one of the participants in the
[00:04:21] Syrian delegation
[00:04:23] step, by signing agreements with our brothers in at the sixth session of the Conference of the States Parties to the Arab Convention
[00:04:26] against Corruption, you held many meetings
[00:04:30] and there were several
[00:04:32] and those in proposals. What are the most prominent points that you focused on during these
[00:04:45] useful to look at this visit from a practical
[00:04:49] working in perspective, where we benefit from
[00:04:53] the experiences that we can
[00:04:56] specialized institutes in this transfer to our beloved country. How can it reflect on the performance
[00:05:00] of oversight in protecting public funds, facilitating access to services for
[00:05:04] information, and expertise, and joining citizens? This is the meaning we are keen on
[00:05:07] in exchanging experiences. How do we transform this knowledge and these experiences
[00:05:11] that we listen to and exchange with
[00:05:14] our brothers in the State of Qatar into developing procedures
[00:05:18] and qualifying competencies?
[00:05:21] Follow-up and follow-up on the results of work. Frankly,
[00:05:25] this visit has two integrated
[00:05:27] tracks. The first track is
[00:05:30] the participation of the Syrian Arab Republic in the sixth
[00:05:34] session of the Conference of the States Parties to the
[00:05:37] Arab Convention against Corruption, and holding several
[00:05:40] bilateral meetings to discuss the Qatari experience and explore
[00:05:44] areas of cooperation. As you mentioned,
[00:05:47] His Excellency the Head of the Commission, Engineer Amer Al-Ali,
[00:05:51] met with His Excellency the Head of the Administrative and Qatari
[00:05:55] Transparency Authority, Mr. Hamad bin Nasser
[00:05:58] Al-Misnad. The discussions covered institutional
[00:06:01] development and cooperation, exchange of expertise, capacity
[00:06:04] building, and benefiting from the Qatari experience
[00:06:07] in implementing the United Nations Convention against
[00:06:11] Corruption. Our focus was on understanding
[00:06:14] how to manage work, how to identify
[00:06:18] needs, how to develop oversight tools,
[00:06:22] and how to link
[00:06:25] the actual problems faced by employees. Our visit
[00:06:29] included visits to several oversight bodies
[00:06:32] and other law enforcement agencies in Qatar,
[00:06:36] because we do not want to
[00:06:39] review the experience of an oversight
[00:06:42] body only, but rather
[00:06:47] relationship between these bodies in terms
[00:06:50] of integration, not the work of the oversight
[00:06:54] body in isolation. We are
[00:06:57] not looking for a successful experience
[00:07:01] from one side only, but rather a comprehensive understanding
[00:07:04] that combines prevention and oversight,
[00:07:07] training, and law enforcement.
[00:07:11] The goal of all of this is to shorten the time. The reality in
[00:07:15] Syria requires
[00:07:17] steps.
[00:07:20] We shorten the time in learning and experimenting and benefit from these
[00:07:24] accumulated lessons without
[00:07:27] assuming that every successful experience
[00:07:30] can be fully benefited from
[00:07:33] in another environment, but rather we take
[00:07:36] what benefits us in our reality and in our legislation.
[00:07:40] Yes, okay, Professor Talib, welcome again. In your opinion, what
[00:07:43] is the importance of Syria's participation in,
[00:07:47] well, this
[00:07:50] experience, in light of Syria's attempt to rise
[00:07:53] economically and the existence of all the obstacles that stand
[00:07:58] this development in terms of
[00:08:01] infrastructure that needs development, and also
[00:08:05] in terms of
[00:08:16] signings on this convention began in
[00:08:20] 2010. We must give an idea
[00:08:23] about the beginning of this convention, the first
[00:08:26] conference of which for the Arab States Parties to combat
[00:08:29] corruption was in December 2015 in
[00:08:32] Cairo. After that, it was held every two years
[00:08:36] in a specific Arab city until it reached Doha, and now
[00:08:39] it is on the verge of convening. Frankly,
[00:08:43] this Arab Convention is of utmost importance. Syria,
[00:08:47] after overcoming the obstacle of the fall of this regime that
[00:08:51] corrupted the country and the people,
[00:08:53] and frankly, in all aspects of Syrian life, there was
[00:08:57] lethargy, weakness, and corruption.
[00:09:00] This Syrian participation
[00:09:04] Central Commission for Oversight and Inspection, with its responsible and great
[00:09:07] role, frankly, in this framework, it participates
[00:09:11] as a representative of official Syria. The importance of this matter
[00:09:15] is that it is not just attendance at a specific
[00:09:18] Arab forum, but rather transforming this participation, as your
[00:09:22] dear guest mentioned, into institutional experience and a working
[00:09:26] tool applicable to the Syrian situation. Syria today is facing
[00:09:29] a wide process of reorganizing its institutions and its oversight
[00:09:33] and administrative bodies. We have noticed in recent months many
[00:09:36] discussions about restructuring the Central Commission for
[00:09:40] Oversight and Inspection and injecting
[00:09:48] and developing its relevant legislation
[00:09:52] government institutions. All of this is very important,
[00:09:54] and this is where the importance of Syrian participation in this
[00:09:58] event comes from. Yes. Okay, Mr. Ali,
[00:10:01] in your opinion, what are the steps that
[00:10:05] Syria can benefit from in terms of
[00:10:07] benefiting from Qatari expertise, given your presence there now?
[00:10:11] And are there any practical steps that have been agreed
[00:10:14] upon in this regard?
[00:10:17] The discussions covered cooperation, exchange of expertise, and capacity
[00:10:20] building, and transforming that into detailed programs.
[00:10:25] Of course, the detailed programs can be announced when
[00:10:28] a memorandum of understanding is signed between us
[00:10:31] and the Oversight and Transparency Authority in the State
[00:10:34] of Qatar. From a practical
[00:10:38] perspective, there will be benefits that will hopefully
[00:10:42] reflect on the procedures and institutional
[00:10:46] generally reflect on the country as a whole. It will
[00:10:50] create more investment opportunities
[00:10:57] the country as a whole and affect tourism and increase
[00:10:59] job opportunities. Of course,
[00:11:01] we prepared
[00:11:05] a package of questions and a large number of questions that we directed to
[00:11:09] the Qatari side so that we could obtain information
[00:11:12] and expertise that would benefit us in
[00:11:15] our local needs so that
[00:11:18] we can implement. Okay, you mentioned in your speech,
[00:11:22] Mr. Ali, that the Syrian delegation seeks
[00:11:25] to benefit from the experiences of several Arab
[00:11:29] experiences, not only the Qatari experience as one
[00:11:32] example. In your opinion, what are the most prominent experiences that
[00:11:36] Syria can also benefit from in addition to the Qatari
[00:11:39] experience? Frankly, there is an important
[00:11:42] goal, which is Syria's integration into the Arab
[00:11:46] family and Syria's return to
[00:11:50] Arab countries and with its Arab brothers and sisters.
[00:11:54] There have been several
[00:11:57] visits and exchanges of experiences in Arab countries, including
[00:12:01] Jordan and Saudi Arabia, and now we are in Qatar,
[00:12:04] and there will be several bilateral meetings during
[00:12:08] the conference. The conference has not started yet.
[00:12:10] Tomorrow might be the first
[00:12:13] day for the conference.
[00:12:16] So there are several bilateral sessions that have
[00:12:20] been scheduled with a number of Arab countries
[00:12:22] to exchange experiences and
[00:12:25] knowledge among us. Yes,
[00:12:29] okay, Professor Talib, the discussion also
[00:12:32] about the Arab Convention is a path to strengthening Arab
[00:12:35] coordination regarding oversight
[00:12:37] the systems existing within Arab
[00:12:40] countries. In your opinion, to what extent will this participation
[00:12:44] contribute to enriching
[00:12:47] Syrian information in this regard, despite a long interruption
[00:12:52] field? Yes,
[00:12:55] of course. The current Syrian government, or rather, the
[00:12:59] new Syrian authority,
[00:13:03] from the previous regime and many cases
[00:13:05] and corruption files that were brought under scrutiny, especially
[00:13:09] in the Oversight and Inspection Authority, and benefiting from them and transferring
[00:13:13] them to Arab laboratories to identify aspects of defect and weakness
[00:13:16] and points that can be addressed and points that can
[00:13:22] issues that Syria can contribute to. On the other hand, Syria
[00:13:25] needs to institutionalize its work in this framework,
[00:13:29] and it needs to cooperate with the United Nations Development Program
[00:13:33] and the International Anti-Corruption Academy. Also, this
[00:13:37] forum, as the guest mentioned,
[00:13:41] is indeed a great benefit to have experiences such as the UAE, Saudi Arabia,
[00:13:44] Qatar, or Jordan. These countries all have a large
[00:13:48] historical background in addressing issues related to corruption, administrative inspection,
[00:13:52] and oversight of institutions, and attempts to frame,
[00:13:56] automate, and govern these institutions. Today, Syria can benefit from
[00:14:00] presenting the Syrian case to the Arab laboratories
[00:14:03] specialized in this framework, and on the other hand, it also
[00:14:06] needs to develop its institutions
[00:14:11] field. Syria needs a professional and capable oversight body
[00:14:15] that has precise and extensive
[00:14:18] use of modern technology such as artificial intelligence
[00:14:21] and also surveillance cameras, and also
[00:14:28] field, and also develops legislation that facilitates
[00:14:31] its dealings with citizens or employees
[00:14:35] or investors. Therefore, the importance of this participation
[00:14:39] lies in its mutual benefit, whether
[00:14:42] by transferring Syrian expertise from the past
[00:14:45] two years and what the Syrian government has achieved in addressing
[00:14:49] a large number of files, issues, and problems,
[00:14:52] and on the other hand, it can also attract
[00:14:55] and bring in Arab expertise to benefit in developing its institutions.
[00:14:59] Yes. My guest in Doha,
[00:15:02] Mr. Ali, in your opinion, what are the forms of corruption
[00:15:05] that the conference addresses
[00:15:08] and also addresses their treatment, whether at the institutional level or
[00:15:12] even at the level of individuals
[00:15:14] institutions?
[00:15:18] The conference has several topics
[00:15:21] that will be discussed and debated,
[00:15:25] including the outcomes
[00:15:28] of the fifth session of the conference and others,
[00:15:31] on various levels of corruption, the most important
[00:15:34] of which is at the individual level. And at the
[00:15:38] institutional level. At the individual level, there are problems
[00:15:42] such as bribery, embezzlement, abuse of influence, and
[00:15:45] abuse of office. These actions require
[00:15:49] investigation and inquiry to be proven.
[00:15:52] Also at the institutional
[00:15:55] level, it is about
[00:15:58] researching the circumstances that led to the commission
[00:16:02] of this crime or its recurrence.
[00:16:05] For example, if
[00:16:08] an operational violation is discovered in a purchasing
[00:16:10] process, the integration
[00:16:14] between them is not enough. It is not enough to know who committed this crime
[00:16:18] and punish him. We also need to examine the procedures that led
[00:16:22] to or facilitated the commission
[00:16:24] of this crime.
[00:16:26] We verify the soundness of the procedures and rectify these
[00:16:29] procedures. The investigation determines
[00:16:32] responsibility, while examining the system helps us to know
[00:16:36] what needs to be changed to
[00:16:40] prevent the recurrence of these violations.
[00:16:43] Here, oversight work must distinguish
[00:16:46] between error, negligence, violation, and corruption.
[00:16:50] We need accountability, and accountability
[00:16:53] that establishes responsibility, and reforms
[00:16:56] to procedures that prevent the recurrence
[00:16:59] of this violation. Thus, integration is achieved
[00:17:03] in addressing corruption at the individual and institutional
[00:17:07] levels. God willing. Okay, in your opinion, Mr. Ali, you are part of the
[00:17:10] Oversight and Inspection Authority and a key part of this Authority as its deputy head.
[00:17:14] Do you think that Syria truly possesses tools to combat
[00:17:18] corruption, despite the fact that it is still
[00:17:21] in a transitional phase that also carries
[00:17:26] the defunct regime? Can Syria overcome all
[00:17:30] these obstacles in the coming period?
[00:17:33] Yes. It
[00:17:36] is important to distinguish between the existence of tools and results.
[00:17:40] Of course, the Syrian Arab Republic has many oversight
[00:17:43] institutions, including the Central Commission for
[00:17:46] Oversight and Inspection, and it provides channels
[00:17:49] for complaints and follow-up. We have a path for building
[00:17:52] capacities and graduating
[00:17:55] qualified oversight cadres, as
[00:17:59] the Central Commission for Oversight and Inspection announced some time ago
[00:18:02] the National Program for Qualifying Oversight Cadres, and before that it announced a competition
[00:18:05] for preparing inspectors, who are the core
[00:18:09] of the oversight process and combating
[00:18:13] corruption, all in coordination with the Ministry of Administrative
[00:18:16] Development. These tools
[00:18:19] face challenges, of course,
[00:18:24] body in the Republic seeks to address
[00:18:27] and overcome these
[00:18:31] obstacles. As our dear
[00:18:34] guest mentioned, the Central Commission for Oversight and Inspection
[00:18:38] has reformed itself and developed its procedures,
[00:18:42] and there have been several
[00:18:44] in this
[00:18:46] field. We
[00:18:50] aspire to further development through
[00:18:53] the exchange of experiences and expertise with our Arab brethren.
[00:18:57] Yes, okay, Professor Talib, it is necessary when talking about corruption to mention that
[00:19:01] a lot of money has been lost, some of which is still in the country,
[00:19:04] and some of which has been smuggled abroad. And one of the core
[00:19:08] conference is to enhance Arab coordination
[00:19:11] for the recovery of smuggled funds.
[00:19:15] Do you think it can also help in finding
[00:19:18] radical solutions to this
[00:19:21] issue, or can it offer suggestions to
[00:19:25] help resolve it?
[00:19:28] Absolutely, in a normal
[00:19:31] international cooperation situation, there are many
[00:19:34] memoranda of understanding, protocol signings,
[00:19:37] and agreements that would allow for the dispatch of specialized teams
[00:19:40] to bodies. For example,
[00:19:43] let's talk about Syria today. It can include inspectors, lawyers,
[00:19:47] accountants, and experts in digital transformation. These individuals can conduct
[00:19:51] training courses, and teams from the Oversight and Inspection Authority
[00:19:54] and the Ministry of Finance and others can be sent to Arab
[00:19:58] countries to benefit from their expertise and organize training courses in this
[00:20:01] field, with continuous training programs. Now, as far as I know, the
[00:20:05] Higher Institute of Oversight in Syria is currently
[00:20:07] training a large group of new employees and staff
[00:20:11] who will be deployed to the governorates and perform this role. Therefore,
[00:20:15] cooperation with the Arab system in combating
[00:20:19] oversight and in combating corruption
[00:20:22] and achieving the objectives of oversight and inspection will be through,
[00:20:25] as we said, receiving experts and through
[00:20:28] sending individuals who will be trained in
[00:20:33] field and signing memoranda of understanding that allow for the exchange
[00:20:37] of these experiences, procedural guides,
[00:20:41] specialized international networks. As we said, digital transformation, frankly, Ms.
[00:20:45] Rama, plays a major role today in
[00:20:48] uncovering many files that were all paper
[00:20:52] files. Today, it is possible to digitize and automate these files
[00:20:55] and convert them into electronic files and facilitate
[00:20:59] communication through modern devices or through email or
[00:21:03] fax. Therefore, the Oversight and Inspection Authority or the responsible authorities
[00:21:10] event in practical implementation, God willing, in
[00:21:16] legal amendments that the Syrian state and its Oversight
[00:21:20] and Inspection Authority might consider amending in the coming period
[00:21:24] based on the recommendations that were perhaps within
[00:21:28] the conference?
[00:21:29] Yes.
[00:21:32] Exactly, among the measures being taken in the country
[00:21:35] generally, and which contribute to
[00:21:39] fighting corruption, of course,
[00:21:42] for the information of the esteemed viewers, there is no
[00:21:46] country free of corruption entirely. Of course, every country has
[00:21:50] some kind of corruption widespread,
[00:21:54] and throughout history, no
[00:21:58] free of
[00:22:01] the measures that the state
[00:22:04] corruption and combat corruption, first is
[00:22:07] legislation, and this was dependent on the launch of the
[00:22:11] People's Assembly. After the launch of the People's Assembly, it has a large
[00:22:14] number of legislations that it will study, approve,
[00:22:18] or vote on. The People's Assembly, and this will
[00:22:22] greatly contribute to reforming
[00:22:27] the steps that the state has taken is
[00:22:29] raising salaries and wages.
[00:22:33] reducing corruption, including the preparation
[00:22:38] oversight bodies.
[00:22:42] Yes, okay, in your opinion, after your attendance
[00:22:46] at this conference,
[00:22:48] was there any discussion about signing bilateral agreements or even
[00:22:53] states parties within the
[00:22:57] attendees of this session,
[00:23:00] to implement them also, perhaps, inside
[00:23:02] Syria?
[00:23:05] No, an agreement was previously signed
[00:23:07] with the Kingdom of Saudi
[00:23:10] Arabia. The anti-corruption
[00:23:13] authority. Currently, the conference has not started yet.
[00:23:17] There are several workshops. When the conference
[00:23:20] starts, there will be bilateral workshops with
[00:23:25] Arab countries, and perhaps this will be followed by signing
[00:23:29] joint agreements, God
[00:23:35] Talib, in your opinion, what is the biggest obstacle facing
[00:23:38] oversight and inspection systems in Syria, or if
[00:23:42] we also talk about coordination regionally, what is
[00:23:45] a direct obstacle to this coordination?
[00:23:49] Yes, my personal assessment, and this is
[00:23:52] a dilemma, Ms. Rama, that many Syrian
[00:23:56] institutions are suffering from now, and hopefully, God willing,
[00:23:59] it will be resolved in the coming days, especially after the formation
[00:24:02] or convening of the Syrian Parliament, the Syrian People's
[00:24:06] Assembly. In my opinion, the issue of developing legislation
[00:24:09] and issuing legislation that first separates institutional work
[00:24:12] between authorities, such as the oversight body, ministries, and judicial bodies,
[00:24:16] this is a very important matter, so it is necessary to clarify powers
[00:24:20] and develop legislation that can sponsor or
[00:24:23] through which we understand the boundaries
[00:24:26] and powers of the oversight and inspection body in Syria. Also,
[00:24:31] contracts and purchases. There is a lot of seized money, lands, and properties
[00:24:34] and other things that the oversight body is now looking into, and frankly,
[00:24:38] it needs a large team distributed in many governorates
[00:24:42] that can also perform
[00:24:46] the challenges that exist in reality,
[00:24:49] and also the issue needs funding, salaries,
[00:24:52] expenses, and costs. We all know the size of the costs in this
[00:24:56] regard. Also, the issue of digital transformation. Today, Syria, thank God,
[00:24:59] we have noticed that the Ministry of Communications and the Ministry of Education
[00:25:03] and others have started the process of introducing
[00:25:06] modern devices and trying to create
[00:25:09] a digital government, God willing, as a first
[00:25:13] the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia or with our sister state of Qatar or the UAE
[00:25:16] or other Arab countries, and also with other countries.
[00:25:20] Therefore, as we said, digital transformation, the more
[00:25:24] paper transactions are reduced and direct contact is eliminated,
[00:25:27] and institutions, databases, and electronic information are linked,
[00:25:30] this facilitates the work of the Oversight and Inspection Authority,
[00:25:34] in addition to building trust, frankly, between the citizen
[00:25:37] and the institution. Today, as Mr. Amer said, today
[00:25:41] we really need to have channels
[00:25:44] for Syrian citizens to submit clear complaints that reach the highest
[00:25:48] level of the Oversight and Inspection body so that
[00:25:51] they know that there is, for example, a stolen land here or there
[00:25:55] is a bribe there. Therefore, there are now many
[00:25:58] people who say, "We find
[00:26:00] among the remnants of the previous regime that there are still
[00:26:04] those who are bribing," as Mr. Ahmed said. Of course, the issue of corruption
[00:26:08] has always existed in human history, and it exists today in the most
[00:26:12] advanced countries in the world. But we are trying as much as possible, God willing,
[00:26:15] given that Syria is now being built gradually, step
[00:26:18] by step, to be pioneers, God
[00:26:22] willing, in advancing this state, its institutions, and its people,
[00:26:25] and getting rid of the previous corruption system
[00:26:28] and bureaucracy and the burdens that citizens suffered
[00:26:31] from, the bureaucracy that they lived with for many
[00:26:34] years. Therefore, God willing, I expect these challenges
[00:26:37] to be addressed during certain stages, but there are
[00:26:40] legislations, there is also the issue of digital transformation, there is trust with
[00:26:44] the citizen, I believe, with these participations and
[00:26:46] activating Arab expertise. There is a fundamental
[00:26:50] point that you also mentioned, Professor Talib, which is the issue
[00:26:53] of bureaucracy, that it is an entry point to corruption. Let's also get
[00:26:57] Mr. Ali's opinion on this by asking: Is it possible
[00:27:00] to reduce this bureaucracy or eliminate it completely
[00:27:04] through long transactions and signatures
[00:27:08] that any person might need, which ultimately
[00:27:11] leads to a fundamental part of the corruption process? To what
[00:27:17] this aspect and move away from bureaucracy in
[00:27:20] paper
[00:27:21] transactions?
[00:27:27] the points that Professor Talib mentioned, thank him for his efforts,
[00:27:30] regarding the issue of digital transformation. Of course, the Central
[00:27:34] Commission for Oversight and Inspection has shared its experience on the role
[00:27:38] of digital transformation in combating corruption. One
[00:27:42] of the first tasks it started with was digital transformation, and
[00:27:46] 80% of the digital
[00:27:51] sectors in the Commission that are now operating on
[00:27:54] the electronic system and the digital transformation that has also been adopted,
[00:27:58] in addition to the complaint platform. All of this
[00:28:01] aims to reduce interaction between
[00:28:04] institutions, meaning some of them have come a long way, and some of them have just started,
[00:28:08] but the important thing is that everyone agrees on the issue of digital transformation.
[00:28:12] A large part of our visit and our meeting
[00:28:15] with the Administrative Control and Transparency Authority in
[00:28:19] Qatar focused on the topic and aspect of digital
[00:28:22] transformation, especially regarding the issue
[00:28:26] of complaints. Regarding bureaucracy,
[00:28:29] it is certainly the case that prolonging procedures
[00:28:32] without benefit is burdensome and prolongs
[00:28:35] the process and procedures.
[00:28:38] Of course, these procedures must be
[00:28:41] analyzed, as there are things that are not needed
[00:28:45] and are a requirement, and there are things that are not needed.
[00:28:48] These can be dispensed with by re-governing these
[00:28:51] procedures, and this is one of the powers of the authority,
[00:28:55] as well as developing administrative
[00:28:57] work and proposing results and recommendations
[00:29:01] that can facilitate the delivery of service to people.
[00:29:04] So, Mr. Ali, to what extent do you
[00:29:07] believe that corruption threatens the structure
[00:29:11] the most dangerous forms of
[00:29:14] this corruption? Of course, corruption has
[00:29:18] a great impact, and its first and greatest impact is the loss
[00:29:22] of public money and the weakening
[00:29:25] of institutions.
[00:29:28] to the amount
[00:29:31] embezzled or the amount collected, or a service
[00:29:35] whose quality has declined. There
[00:29:39] is a loss of resources and a decline
[00:29:41] in the trust of the people and the public
[00:29:45] in these institutions, and these are impacts that extend to the state
[00:29:49] in general. Honestly,
[00:29:52] one of the most dangerous types of corruption is when
[00:29:55] corruption becomes, as it was previously,
[00:29:58] a custom or
[00:30:03] the state or adopted. Previously, the system was adopted
[00:30:07] from the highest hierarchy in the state,
[00:30:11] and we were going down. How was an employee
[00:30:14] or a police officer exceed 20 to
[00:30:18] 40 dollars? This is systematic
[00:30:22] corruption that cannot be fixed in a day or two.
[00:30:25] As long as there is
[00:30:29] an authority that works, and
[00:30:32] brothers administrative positions
[00:30:36] and in positions who carry this concern
[00:30:40] and all strive to combat corruption,
[00:30:43] then, God willing, we are moving in the right direction.