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[00:00:01] At this point, excuse
[00:00:13] Joining the Mecca Alliance.
[00:00:16] We will return to elaborate more on this This is a pivotal issue for the security of
[00:00:20] Syria and the security of the region in general.
[00:00:23] There is no doubt that a new
[00:00:26] regional scene is forming in this
[00:00:29] region. It also seems that
[00:00:32] Syria is trying to reserve a seat
[00:00:37] is that we will benefit between all member states for itself in its arrangements. Foreign Minister Asaad
[00:00:41] military responsibilities? This Al-Shaibani says that there are ongoing discussions
[00:00:44] to evaluate Syria's entry into the Mecca Alliance.
[00:00:47] This is an important
[00:00:49] a major statement made by the minister that made
[00:00:52] many stop at it
[00:00:58] territory. We are able of Syrian News. In and ask and wonder what if Damascus became a partner in protecting this
[00:01:01] region? What if the geography that for decades
[00:01:05] made it an arena for conflicting interests
[00:01:09] and conflicts turned into a position of strength in
[00:01:12] shaping future alliances?
[00:01:15] In addition to this statement, Minister
[00:01:19] from regional Al-Shaibani also made striking statements,
[00:01:22] My guests for the discussion on even more than striking, in
[00:01:24] the context of what he said. What did
[00:01:26] join this alliance, he say? He said that
[00:01:27] we will be worthy of Damascus will not stand
[00:01:30] by watching any aggression targeting
[00:01:33] the Arab Gulf states,
[00:01:35] welcomes Syria's accession to this and that the security of
[00:01:36] Obligations. Can we the Gulf is an integral
[00:01:38] Welcome to this discussion part of Syria's security. There is
[00:01:41] in particular, has a scene, it seems, a dual scene of
[00:01:44] aggressions in the region. On the one hand,
[00:01:47] Jawad. Welcome to the there are continuous and repeated Israeli
[00:01:51] us from aggressions against Syria. On the other hand, there are Iranian aggressions against the Gulf
[00:01:57] in this regard? states. Where will Syria and what are the Turkish doubts be in the heart of this battle?
[00:02:00] Political, military, and security. One might say
[00:02:03] that Syria has a peculiarity unlike other
[00:02:07] countries. In the Syrian south, events are always
[00:02:10] at the heart of any discussion or arrangements.
[00:02:14] Despite all the capabilities Syria possesses,
[00:02:20] else, whether at home or of this can it really be or can Syria
[00:02:23] guests. This join the Mecca Alliance? What is the importance of the location for Syria to be an influential
[00:02:26] number in the equation of joint defense? What does it offer
[00:02:30] and what can it gain? What is the position of
[00:02:33] the active countries, led by the United States, on this
[00:02:37] approach? Does the Mecca Alliance provide a security
[00:02:41] military means? This umbrella for Damascus, or does it place it before new regional
[00:02:43] commitments and calculations?
[00:02:45] and is supposed to be one of How can
[00:02:49] that quickly joins this at the heart of this this partnership be reflected in confronting Israeli
[00:02:52] Omar, what is your opinion aggressions and in the future of
[00:02:53] a significant economic and security cooperation in the region? This is our discussion today
[00:02:59] statement that reliance on on the table. Welcome to you.
[00:03:07] Dahham. Mr. Dahham, what is your opinion on 55 years of East. Is Syria one of
[00:03:10] will create
[00:03:16] So, the Minister of Foreign Affairs and Expatriates, Asaad Al-Shaibani, said
[00:03:20] that there are ongoing discussions to evaluate Syria's entry into the
[00:03:24] Mecca Defense Alliance, and that Damascus stands with
[00:03:27] the countries and peoples of the Gulf to confront
[00:03:31] Syria's entry into cross-border militias. He added, in his speech about
[00:03:34] the Gulf countries, that their security
[00:03:37] the main partners and stability are an inseparable part of Syria's security, because Syria has become a reliable
[00:03:41] partner within a regional system
[00:03:45] are forming, Syria should not for achieving security and stability. Let's watch the report and then return to open the discussion on
[00:03:49] the table.
[00:03:54] What does it mean for Damascus to move from internal conflicts to
[00:03:57] participating in regional security arrangements? And what are the implications
[00:04:00] of discussing the possibility of joining the Mecca Alliance, and where does
[00:04:04] Syria stand in the Middle
[00:04:07] which is very important and strategic East equation and the alliances that are redrawing new maps of interests
[00:04:12] and I will start from Istanbul with and power balances? Here,
[00:04:16] acceptable. What is the goal of one thing, but we are talking in our discussion, we may go beyond geographical boundaries to security
[00:04:17] great benefits in this and influence calculations in a region where threats
[00:04:20] Defense Alliance is are intertwined and there is something strategic and a very conflicts are escalating, and we may also go beyond
[00:04:24] what we were talking about a year ago regarding the possibility
[00:04:27] of Syria asserting its new status,
[00:04:30] to moving from the position of being affected
[00:04:33] by regional equations to the position
[00:04:36] of participating in their formulation.
[00:04:40] Are we ready industry. And Pakistan, Minister Al-Shaibani spoke from Manama about ongoing discussions
[00:04:42] to evaluate Syria's entry into the
[00:04:45] Mecca Agreement, which includes
[00:04:47] alliance? What are the practical in the Gulf. suffer from weakness in this Saudi Arabia, Turkey, we able to be and Pakistan.
[00:04:50] Statements carried significant political and security
[00:04:54] obligations resulting signals and opened the door will achieve for Syrians? All to a new phase of
[00:04:57] defensive and security cooperation
[00:05:01] Syria also needs to join this between Damascus and those influential
[00:05:03] diversified from various sources. This countries in the region. However, the discussion is not
[00:05:07] just about joining a new alliance.
[00:05:10] especially since we need this The Mecca Agreement for Joint Defense stipulates
[00:05:13] that any armed attack on one of the three countries
[00:05:17] is an attack on all of them, in addition to enhancing military
[00:05:20] and intelligence cooperation and defensive coordination in light
[00:05:24] of continuous Israeli aggressions against the Syrian
[00:05:27] south, which makes Syria's accession
[00:05:30] contingent on commitments that may
[00:05:33] go beyond the scope of political
[00:05:35] coordination.
[00:05:39] Speaking of the Israeli aggressions, which Al-Shaibani
[00:05:43] placed at the heart of the discussion, revealing
[00:05:46] more than a thousand aggressions in less than
[00:05:49] two years, the equation of mutual interests
[00:05:52] emerges. Syria represents an important geographical location for the region's security
[00:05:56] and trade and energy routes,
[00:06:00] while the Gulf, Turkish, and Pakistani
[00:06:02] partnership can open new horizons for defensive
[00:06:06] cooperation and economic investment
[00:06:10] and rebuilding capabilities.
[00:06:12] However, the real test does not lie in declaring the desire
[00:06:15] to join, but in the nature of the commitments
[00:06:18] that will result from it, without being drawn into
[00:06:22] conflicts that do not serve the stability of Damascus
[00:06:26] or the stability of the region as a
[00:06:29] whole.
[00:06:34] the table in this episode are with us here in the studio, Brigadier General
[00:06:38] Munir Al-Hariri, security expert. Welcome to the table, Brigadier General.
[00:06:42] Also with us from Doha, writer and political
[00:06:45] researcher Dr. Omar Bin Tahia. Welcome, Dr. Omar.
[00:06:51] on the table. And also with us
[00:06:53] from Istanbul, Mr. Jawad Gok, Turkish
[00:06:57] political analyst. Welcome, Mr.
[00:07:00] table. Welcome, Mr. Jawad. Also with
[00:07:04] the
[00:07:06] Also with us from Riyadh, Mr. Dahham Al-Enezi, Saudi journalist.
[00:07:10] Welcome, Mr. Dahham, to the
[00:07:17] Now, Mr. Al-Shaibani, Minister of Foreign Affairs, says there are
[00:07:20] ongoing discussions to evaluate Syria's accession
[00:07:24] to the Mecca Alliance. What do you make
[00:07:29] statement? Good evening to you, dear
[00:07:32] viewers, and to your esteemed
[00:07:35] is what the Minister of Foreign Affairs announced.
[00:07:38] It is good that there is an alliance.
[00:07:42] It happened recently and was agreed upon by three great
[00:07:46] brotherly countries with immense
[00:07:50] material, military, tactical,
[00:07:53] and strategic capabilities. And this
[00:07:56] ambition to be
[00:08:00] alliance is very good. It
[00:08:03] will have
[00:08:06] impact on Syria, a large umbrella
[00:08:09] that shades this newly emerging and recently
[00:08:13] liberated country, after
[00:08:16] security apparatuses and the former defunct Assad
[00:08:19] regime. This
[00:08:23] a deterrent balance
[00:08:26] and a strategic balance.
[00:08:29] Brigadier General, sorry for the interruption, but before talking about
[00:08:33] what will happen if this step is taken,
[00:08:36] as the Minister of Foreign Affairs said, there are discussions and evaluations. Now, how will
[00:08:40] these discussions take shape? How long will
[00:08:43] they continue? Are there specific criteria to be considered? How
[00:08:47] will it be managed? Okay, now there is an alliance,
[00:08:50] not a coalition. Yes, the difference between them is
[00:08:54] huge. An alliance is
[00:08:57] something with a major strategic long-term dimension,
[00:09:01] especially when it is between countries with harmony
[00:09:03] and coordination. A coalition is
[00:09:07] usually for a specific goal, such
[00:09:09] as a coalition to fight drug
[00:09:14] trafficking, or a coalition to fight ISIS. This is the coalition
[00:09:17] that Syria joined and was its 90th member in this coalition. Yes.
[00:09:21] So, a coalition is
[00:09:25] about an alliance. This alliance has a major strategic
[00:09:29] dimension, a national dimension,
[00:09:31] a religious dimension, a patriotic dimension, all strategic dimensions complete,
[00:09:35] especially since a country possesses
[00:09:38] immense capabilities. For example, the Turkish power is number
[00:09:41] two in the NATO alliance, or perhaps the second global power in
[00:09:44] terms of numbers and equipment, in addition to
[00:09:47] its advanced military
[00:09:51] which has two important things:
[00:09:54] it has nuclear weapons and it has very strong
[00:09:58] intelligence agencies that can monitor and assess
[00:10:01] many real events, in addition to the Kingdom of Saudi
[00:10:04] Arabia with its power, its area,
[00:10:07] its complete economy, its dynamic
[00:10:11] movement, its advanced weapons that have become
[00:10:16] gives a great momentum to this alliance for
[00:10:19] there to be a strong alliance,
[00:10:23] alliance in the region, and all
[00:10:25] countries have been in alliances since the Baghdad Pact in
[00:10:28] 1955. Today there are alliances, and we have seen the Warsaw Pact
[00:10:32] and we have seen the Atlantic
[00:10:35] alliance, NATO, the Atlantic alliance or NATO. Good.
[00:10:41] discussion, Dr. Omar. Now,
[00:10:44] it is important perhaps to talk about the discussions and evaluations
[00:10:48] that Mr. Minister of Foreign Affairs Asaad
[00:10:52] Al-Shaibani referred to when he said that there are ongoing discussions
[00:10:55] to evaluate Syria's entry into the Mecca Alliance. But before we delve into
[00:10:58] these details and the expected outcomes
[00:11:02] during the coming period, what is the message or the most important
[00:11:05] Syrian messages behind this
[00:11:08] statement by the Minister of Foreign Affairs?
[00:11:12] الخارجيه
[00:11:15] Good evening, Mr. Mohammed, to you, your guests, and the viewers
[00:11:20] fact, the statement was made twice
[00:11:23] in two separate periods regarding
[00:11:27] Syria's desire or possibility
[00:11:30] of joining the Mecca Defense Alliance. The last
[00:11:33] statement by the Syrian Foreign Minister Asaad
[00:11:37] Al-Shaibani, as you mentioned, certainly carries
[00:11:40] political messages and implications
[00:11:43] internally and externally,
[00:11:46] of course. And let's start with the main messages
[00:11:49] to external parties.
[00:11:52] Syria, through
[00:11:56] the Manama Dialogue Forum, in its 22nd
[00:11:59] session, which discussed the foundations
[00:12:03] of national security in the region
[00:12:06] indeed presented
[00:12:09] this message. This session primarily
[00:12:13] focuses on re-shaping the security defense umbrella
[00:12:17] for the region's countries, moving away from the old traditional
[00:12:20] forms that relied directly on the United States. It is now
[00:12:24] moving towards cooperation among Arab parties
[00:12:27] and countries concerned with their
[00:12:29] national security, especially after being exposed
[00:12:33] to attacks from several parties, particularly Iranian attacks
[00:12:36] during the Iranian-Israeli war on Iran.
[00:12:39] In fact, these messages indicate that the Syrian
[00:12:43] state is ready to be a trusted strategic
[00:12:47] partner for countries suffering from crises regarding
[00:12:50] their national stability and security stability,
[00:12:54] and can play a role in this regard, which enhances
[00:12:57] the presence of the Syrian state and re-affirms
[00:13:00] its geopolitical positioning after
[00:13:04] it completely exited the Iranian axis
[00:13:07] and became closer, in every sense of the word,
[00:13:11] to the Arab identity, Arab interests,
[00:13:14] and Arab efforts to ensure its collective security.
[00:13:18] The Minister of Foreign Affairs indicated yesterday in a clear
[00:13:24] individual security for countries is
[00:13:27] no longer productive or beneficial. And it is
[00:13:30] natural, given the circumstances and conditions the region
[00:13:33] is generally facing, that working to establish
[00:13:36] a collective security system is the best
[00:13:39] and closest approach regarding alliances
[00:13:43] that can be worked through during this period. This is the Mecca
[00:13:46] Defense Alliance, which includes two direct
[00:13:49] allies of the new Syrian state, namely Turkey
[00:13:53] and Saudi Arabia.
[00:13:56] this alliance, if an agreement is reached
[00:13:59] internally and with
[00:14:02] in this alliance, means that the Syrian state
[00:14:06] confirms this effective presence as a regional actor,
[00:14:09] unlike what it suffered during the past 15 years,
[00:14:12] as it was only present as a crisis file on the table of these
[00:14:16] main countries in the region. This statement from
[00:14:19] Minister Al-Shaibani also prompts us to question
[00:14:23] the position of the parties to the Mecca
[00:14:26] Alliance, Saudi Arabia, the Kingdom of Saudi
[00:14:29] Arabia, on one side, and Turkey on
[00:14:33] the other. How do they assess or how do they view,
[00:14:37] Mr. Jawad Gok. Mr. Jawad,
[00:14:41] how does the Turkish side view the possibility or
[00:14:44] the study or, in other words, the discussions
[00:14:48] that the Minister of Foreign Affairs talked about to evaluate
[00:14:51] Syria's accession to the Mecca Alliance? How do the Turks assess it? And to our guests
[00:14:55] and our dear viewers. Of course,
[00:14:58] you know, ultimately, Syria
[00:15:01] has a sensitive geographical
[00:15:04] location at a very high
[00:15:08] level, especially after the recent developments
[00:15:12] We have seen that Syria's geographical
[00:15:16] and strategic position
[00:15:19] is needed by everyone, frankly.
[00:15:22] As for Syria, Turkey is very
[00:15:26] interested in the decisions taken by the government. But
[00:15:29] the question now is, does the current Mecca Alliance in its current form need Syria? Yes, yes,
[00:15:33] yes, yes. Yes, the
[00:15:37] Mecca Agreement needs Syria and Egypt,
[00:15:39] frankly, currently, because
[00:15:42] they are two very important countries for Turkish
[00:15:45] national security. Also, Syria ultimately, there
[00:15:49] are positives, that Syria
[00:15:53] takes responsibility for Syrian national security
[00:15:57] and also for neighboring countries. However,
[00:16:00] there are strategic responsibilities for Syria.
[00:16:04] Is it capable of bearing them, first and second?
[00:16:07] That is, there is a joint defense
[00:16:13] of this alliance. Is Syria capable of bearing direct
[00:16:19] discussion exists within the Turkish arena, but
[00:16:22] in general, all countries trust
[00:16:26] Syria, the Syrian government, and the Syrian people. Why?
[00:16:29] Because they have proven that they are capable of
[00:16:32] facing problems internally and even
[00:16:35] externally. Now, after what happened in the Strait
[00:16:39] of Hormuz, now pipelines through
[00:16:42] Iraq to Syria, then the Taniyah
[00:16:45] road will pass from Iraq to Syria to Turkey.
[00:16:49] We expect now
[00:16:52] regional agreements
[00:16:56] countries without the Americans.
[00:17:00] And this is what we expected after what happened between Iran and America. Now
[00:17:03] the countries of the region need an alliance
[00:17:06] and an agreement. But you mentioned, Mr. Jawad, you mentioned
[00:17:10] that, I mean, regarding the Turkish side or
[00:17:13] the Turkish way of thinking regarding the possibility of Syria
[00:17:17] joining the Mecca Alliance, it is a question that Turkey raises about whether
[00:17:20] there are military responsibilities, as you mentioned. Can
[00:17:24] Syria bear them? I mean, let's clarify this point
[00:17:28] further, Mr. Jawad. What responsibilities are we talking about here,
[00:17:34] There are no doubts about
[00:17:37] the good intentions of the Syrian people and the Syrian government,
[00:17:40] but there are military responsibilities. For example,
[00:17:44] when Israel attacks,
[00:17:47] we want there to be a security
[00:17:51] umbrella
[00:17:53] for Syria. Also, Syria is now trying to unite
[00:17:57] its ranks and secure itself
[00:18:01] internally. I mean, they have overcome
[00:18:04] many internal problems, but there are still
[00:18:12] many challenges and Israeli interventions. Is the Syrian government capable of confronting the Israeli problem through
[00:18:15] diplomatic means and through
[00:18:19] discussion is currently taking place, but in general,
[00:18:22] Syria's participation will be very strong
[00:18:26] for the Mecca Alliance. For example, the position of the Kingdom
[00:18:30] of Saudi Arabia is excellent in the Arab
[00:18:33] and Islamic world. Also, Syria can be
[00:18:39] this is very clear. Okay, good. Let's head to Saudi Arabia with Mr.
[00:18:45] the matter? Mr. Jawad says that the Mecca
[00:18:48] Alliance needs Syria. What is
[00:18:50] the Saudi perspective on the whole
[00:18:54] issue? First of all, good evening to you, and good evening
[00:18:58] to your guests present with you and your viewers through your esteemed
[00:19:01] channel. I believe that, I mean,
[00:19:05] let's first look at what we are talking about. I mean,
[00:19:08] the Mecca Alliance or the Mecca Pact. Of course, there is no
[00:19:12] big difference. Some, I mean, my friend earlier,
[00:19:16] my colleague, indicated that there is a difference between
[00:19:20] an alliance and a pact. Ultimately, it is a group of countries seeking
[00:19:24] a specific interest. Regarding the Mecca Defense Pact, and perhaps
[00:19:27] the Brigadier General meant that a pact might
[00:19:31] be limited to a specific goal or temporary or serving
[00:19:34] a specific angle, while an alliance is broader and more comprehensive, is it not
[00:19:38] so? Exactly. The Mecca Alliance, from
[00:19:42] its name, is the Mecca Defense Alliance. Good. Secondly,
[00:19:45] the countries of the Mecca Defense Alliance and the Mecca Defense Pact
[00:19:48] have all clarified that the entry of new countries into the alliance is
[00:19:54] this alliance or this pact? The Mecca
[00:19:58] to achieve more stability
[00:20:01] and deterrence, more stability in the Middle East. Now, the countries of the Middle East
[00:20:04] seem to have decided, independently of the United States, whether it leaves
[00:20:07] the region or not. There are regional
[00:20:11] powers forming. Syria is a pivotal
[00:20:15] country, a crucial country, an important country, and its accession
[00:20:18] to this defense pact is very
[00:20:22] important for several reasons. First, Syria's geographical
[00:20:26] location is important. Secondly, the Syrian military
[00:20:29] experience is also important. We do not
[00:20:31] underestimate, let's say, the military expertise of the Syrians or
[00:20:35] the courage of the Syrians. Thirdly,
[00:20:39] alliance, as the brother pointed out, to send a message
[00:20:42] to Israel that if Israel attacks Syria,
[00:20:46] these countries may intervene. We know the strength of the Mecca Defense Pact.
[00:20:51] my interruption, but Mr. Jawad, as I understood him,
[00:20:55] believes that the problem of Israeli aggressions against Syria
[00:20:59] should be addressed first before considering
[00:21:02] joining the Mecca Alliance. How do you see the matter?
[00:21:06] First, my dear brother, the problem of security issues is simple and can be contained
[00:21:10] within Syria and can be resolved. Syria has almost
[00:21:13] completely recovered from security problems. The problem remains
[00:21:16] with Israel. Israel is a neighboring country to Syria.
[00:21:20] And it is possible to sign a peace treaty, as Jordan
[00:21:23] or Egypt and all neighboring countries to Israel have done, and the problem
[00:21:27] will end, and the problem of the Druze, in which
[00:21:31] Israel intervenes, will be resolved. The Syrian- Israeli
[00:21:35] problem is a minor detail that is not
[00:21:39] part of this major change in the Middle East, which is currently
[00:21:43] seeking new alliances and, I mean, creating new
[00:21:46] powers. The important thing is, my dear brother, the Mecca
[00:21:50] Defense Alliance aims to deter any
[00:21:53] aggression, meaning that any country that is attacked,
[00:21:57] these countries will collectively ally
[00:22:00] and attack whoever attacks the country. Syria now
[00:22:04] needs to join this because when there are
[00:22:07] major changes in the Middle East, Syria should not be absent,
[00:22:11] as it is a crucial and important country. It should not be absent from these
[00:22:14] international alliances that are currently
[00:22:18] forming. As for Saudi Arabia,
[00:22:20] Arabia's perspective. I believe I do not have information, but
[00:22:22] I strongly believe that it
[00:22:25] alliance from Saudi
[00:22:28] Mr. Dahham, does Saudi Arabia
[00:22:31] believe that Syria is now ready
[00:22:35] to join the Mecca Alliance? And what
[00:22:39] does Syria lack, my dear brother, and what does Syria lack to join the Mecca
[00:22:42] Alliance? This alliance is what I am asking you about
[00:22:45] this point, I mean, commenting on Mr. Jawad's words, our guest from Istanbul, that there are discussions.
[00:22:50] Now, the Turkish side has questions, it has
[00:22:53] perhaps discussions on this matter, that is, is everything ready
[00:22:56] now, or should we perhaps
[00:22:59] wait and see? No, there is no need
[00:23:03] to wait and see. Syria should join
[00:23:06] the Mecca Alliance. There are Israeli-Turkish
[00:23:09] sensitivities, perhaps this is what
[00:23:12] the brother means. And these Syrian-Turkish
[00:23:15] Israeli sensitivities have been settled, I mean,
[00:23:19] an agreement to postpone between Israel and Turkey for a long time, and also
[00:23:22] there are already relations, I mean,
[00:23:25] there is an Israeli ambassador and a Turkish ambassador.
[00:23:29] And the story that there are sensitivities about Syria joining
[00:23:32] is not true at all. Syria must
[00:23:35] the countries
[00:23:39] alliance because there is a forming power in the Middle East.
[00:23:42] Syria's position is very important now, my dear brother.
[00:23:45] For example, if the goal of the Mecca
[00:23:49] Alliance is to establish peace in the Middle
[00:23:54] the important countries in establishing the peace process? Yes. Does Syria
[00:23:58] now have obstacles to joining
[00:24:01] this alliance? No, it has no obstacles
[00:24:04] from Saudi Arabia at all. Does Saudi Arabia want it to join?
[00:24:08] I believe that Saudi Arabia has stated before, along with all
[00:24:12] the countries of the defense alliance, that it welcomes
[00:24:15] any country that wants peace in the Middle East and wants to
[00:24:19] join this alliance. I do not believe that anyone does not welcome
[00:24:23] Syria, and Syria specifically needs to be included at this stage
[00:24:26] because Syria, I mean, when the fate of the Middle East
[00:24:30] for the next hundred years is currently being determined, and when these new alliances
[00:24:35] be absent from the scene. It must be at the heart of the scene. Go ahead, yes.
[00:24:39] Brigadier General, are there obstacles or not regarding Syria's accession
[00:24:43] now to the Mecca Alliance?
[00:24:46] God willing, there are no obstacles, but any new accession to any new
[00:24:50] alliance requires
[00:24:53] certain requirements, whether from the alliance
[00:24:56] or from the country itself. Mr. Dahham tells you there is no difference
[00:25:00] between an alliance and a pact. Yes.
[00:25:03] There is a big difference. In an alliance,
[00:25:08] grand vision that will be achieved in the foreseeable future or in the
[00:25:11] long term. Yes, a pact is a temporary
[00:25:15] situation that is achieved with a specific idea and ends
[00:25:17] when that idea is achieved. Therefore, this is the difference
[00:25:21] between them. Regarding Syria, there are logistical
[00:25:24] obstacles, perhaps, that we specifically need to consider.
[00:25:30] to be in this alliance? Are
[00:25:34] influential in this
[00:25:37] benefits that this alliance
[00:25:41] these matters are considered from a security perspective,
[00:25:44] from a military perspective, from the perspective of the direct
[00:25:47] enmity between us and Syria, and that we are on a single
[00:25:50] line of contact with Israel, Israel, yes.
[00:25:54] I meant Syria now, Syria and Israel.
[00:25:57] So there are many facts that must
[00:26:00] be considered. What does that mean? Can we
[00:26:04] elaborate more, Brigadier General? First of all, we
[00:26:08] certainly, everything, any new accession
[00:26:10] to any alliance is in everyone's interest,
[00:26:14] naturally. And we are in favor
[00:26:17] of joining this alliance, but we need to study our situation.
[00:26:21] Does it warrant joining? It warrants it because
[00:26:24] this alliance will form a large regional umbrella for us
[00:26:28] at the regional level, especially
[00:26:32] from sisterly countries and leading countries that can
[00:26:35] influence global decisions. The second point
[00:26:39] from this alliance
[00:26:43] at the political level, that we
[00:26:46] are part of an alliance, even though we are a country that has been liberated
[00:26:49] for less than two years. We are able
[00:26:53] to build our army, we are able to control our borders,
[00:26:57] and we are able to control our entire
[00:27:00] to deal with many issues that concern the region,
[00:27:04] such as mobile criminal gangs and drug trafficking. All these matters,
[00:27:07] so there are successes. Mr. Jawad, when he spoke
[00:27:11] about some perhaps inquiries or questions, he said
[00:27:15] that from the Turkish side, there are discussions and questions
[00:27:18] about whether the ground is ready for Syria to join
[00:27:22] the alliance. Do you agree with this statement? Yes, I agree
[00:27:26] with the following: when we
[00:27:30] this alliance. This alliance
[00:27:33] will have commitments to us and commitments from us.
[00:27:38] achieve them? That is why this is our measure. We are,
[00:27:42] of course, emerging from a state of war. We are emerging
[00:27:45] from a revolution. Currently, we are in the process of building
[00:27:48] an army and security and currently recovering full control over all
[00:27:52] our territories. All these factors are taken into account,
[00:27:56] but there are procedural matters
[00:27:59] to consider. What are these matters?
[00:28:16] Perhaps media coverage, all these matters benefit
[00:28:19] us in our struggle against anything
[00:28:23] abroad. As for other data, the state
[00:28:26] of readiness of the army, perhaps
[00:28:29] we need all of this because we have an army that is accustomed
[00:28:32] to guerrilla warfare, to urban warfare, to defensive warfare, to offensive
[00:28:36] warfare, a very large stage. What happened in Syria
[00:28:39] over 14 years is studied in major universities because
[00:28:43] there are many bright pages in the history of Syrians
[00:28:46] in combat operations. All of this will be beneficial. The situation
[00:28:50] will benefit from it all the countries included in the beautiful alliance. Dr.
[00:28:54] on this issue regarding whether there are obstacles? Does
[00:28:57] the Mecca alliance really
[00:29:00] need Syria to join quickly? Is
[00:29:04] the ground ready? Are there
[00:29:08] commitments, meaning military, security, and political
[00:29:11] ones, that are likely or already existing
[00:29:15] for joining? What will the discussions now be like
[00:29:18] regarding this matter?
[00:29:22] It is useful just to remind you, my brother
[00:29:25] Muhammad, that the alliance so far has not yet completed
[00:29:29] its legal establishment procedures.
[00:29:35] Exactly, exactly. And in fact, even
[00:29:39] its operational establishment procedures are still
[00:29:42] in their early stages, and Syria has not been invited,
[00:29:46] nor has it been asked, and
[00:29:49] it has not submitted an official request itself. The matter
[00:29:52] is still under discussion and evaluation, and it is a complex
[00:29:55] process, in fact, as it involves comparing
[00:29:59] the defensive and economic obligations
[00:30:02] that will result for the Syrian state if it joins
[00:30:06] this alliance,
[00:30:10] in fact at this stage. And
[00:30:12] I tend to believe that the Syrian state
[00:30:16] truly finds
[00:30:19] joining, first, and also the ability to add
[00:30:23] something positive to this alliance because there are two main
[00:30:26] allies of the Syrian state, namely Saudi Arabia
[00:30:29] and Turkey. It is in Syria's interest to enhance their
[00:30:33] ability to manage the region's
[00:30:37] a good way that
[00:30:40] guarantees the protection of most of the countries for which
[00:30:43] this alliance can provide deterrent cover. And Syria is at
[00:30:47] the forefront of these countries that
[00:30:50] regard. But these military,
[00:30:52] political, and economic
[00:30:57] for the Syrian state in case of joining are not...