SYRIANNEWS — broadcast 20261105 163000 UTC 440 transcript segments Google Cloud Speech-to-Text API (Chirp) + Gemini 2.5 Flash Non-Thinking Data courtesy of The GDELT Project (https://www.gdeltproject.org/), from the Internet Archive TV News Archive. Machine transcription. Treat it as a searchable index of what was broadcast, not a verbatim quotation record. [00:00:01] and energy management and load distribution and distribution of [00:00:05] energy sources inside Syria. [00:00:08] Yes, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia has experience in this regard. [00:00:12] Also, on the topic of housing today, Saudi Arabia has major companies [00:00:15] and has implemented major projects [00:00:18] increasing production, and reducing in the field of [00:00:20] the historical dimension of housing. So, Saudi Arabia started from the advantages it enjoys, and also started from the [00:00:24] needs of Syrians today, as the colleagues said, these [00:00:27] are essential needs, but they are also important [00:00:31] for establishing a new economy for Syria. What is [00:00:35] have been arranged with the neighbors special about Syria is that it has capabilities, meaning there are great [00:00:38] opportunities. Today, Saudi investors and even [00:00:43] does not diminish or the Saudi government invest or [00:00:45] services, because that increases provide easy loans because they are confident that the Syrian economy is [00:00:50] and its data on capable of achieving gains, whether [00:00:52] you, Professor Jasser, and the best for Saudi investors or other investors. [00:00:56] The Syrian economy has three vital and important sectors. [00:01:00] Very important, not only for the Syrian economy but for the region, and that is [00:01:04] industry in all [00:01:06] facilities for Syrian citizens its components, whether leather industry or handicraft [00:01:09] industries or even industries in the automotive sector or other [00:01:13] industries that Syrians can succeed in. Also, the agricultural [00:01:16] sector, as Mr. Jasser Al-Jasser mentioned, is a vital and [00:01:20] important sector that can achieve [00:01:21] who sits in the cafe or who walks in [00:01:21] and developmental feasibility so that food security not only for Syrians but for the entire [00:01:25] region, and we know that Syrian exports in the field of [00:01:29] but by the number of patients vegetables, fruits, and agriculture in general are very [00:01:32] remarkable despite the weak capabilities. So imagine when there are [00:01:36] very high components or capabilities. The [00:01:39] third vital and important sector is the tourism sector, which [00:01:42] cannot return to [00:01:46] imposed by the occupation its true form and which can achieve considerable revenues for the Syrian GDP until [00:01:49] the reconstruction phase of Syria [00:01:52] is completed, which includes [00:01:56] the package of projects signed between Saudi Arabia and Syria. [00:02:02] cubic meters of rubble in [00:02:02] here, this stance and this agreement with Currently, there is a first phase in it. What I want to say [00:02:04] is that the first message to the world is that today there is a center [00:02:08] of confidence in the Syrian economy. Beautiful. [00:02:13] of the decrease in electricity costs If you allow me, go ahead, Professor Jasser. I noticed that you [00:02:15] that constitute a real investment were hinting at a Mecca alliance and a defensive agreement [00:02:18] in some way. Is that possible? But [00:02:22] it's still too early. Perhaps this agreement and defensive [00:02:26] cooperation will be part of qualifying defensive capabilities. [00:02:30] and exemptions or so on. Meaning, the Syrian government does The Mecca alliance agreement is based on multiple criteria, [00:02:33] meaning there is agreement in visions, capabilities, [00:02:36] and capacities. This could be a step in qualifying, meaning, [00:02:39] the defense, the Syrian defensive capabilities, part of it to reach [00:02:43] a future stage in joining the Mecca alliance. [00:02:46] From your perspective, Professor Jasser, when [00:02:50] religion, and so on with them. Therefore, can Syria be part [00:02:52] is always of this alliance, and what can Syria add with its presence? [00:02:55] Well, it's difficult because this decision depends [00:02:59] on the three countries. They are the three countries that vote on [00:03:02] who should. But in light of [00:03:04] countries did in the reconstruction process, the current situation, I think [00:03:06] which is relying on grants, it's a bit early in [00:03:07] or on donations, this regard, but there is support. This support [00:03:10] for the transformation of Syrian capabilities in this way may [00:03:13] be one of the indicators of [00:03:15] especially in areas the desire for Syria to be one of the parties to this [00:03:18] solution in the future. Perhaps Syria, as you know, Professor Jasser, [00:03:22] given the regional threats it faces, its presence [00:03:25] might be appropriate. [00:03:29] Of course, cooperation is currently ongoing. Saudi-Syrian cooperation, Turkish-Syrian [00:03:32] cooperation exists in [00:03:35] companies as an investment that will actually this form and continues, but the issue of [00:03:38] the alliance as an affiliation [00:03:42] and journalist from is another different issue in this form, at least in its technical [00:03:44] details and requirements. And there are other countries, many countries [00:03:48] that want to join, but I think Syria is one of the important [00:03:51] axes if the capabilities are available for it to be part of this alliance, [00:03:55] for multiple reasons, geographically, strategically, [00:03:58] and politically, and its fundamental and strong connection [00:04:02] to at least two of the main countries in the alliance, which [00:04:05] are Saudi Arabia and Turkey. And I think Mr. Ahmed has a comment. Go [00:04:09] ahead. First of all, Syria today relies on [00:04:12] the Saudi agreements agreements with each of these countries. It has [00:04:15] an agreement with Pakistan, as well as with Turkey and with Saudi Arabia, [00:04:19] to be frank and closer to reading the reality. [00:04:22] Syria's entry today into an alliance or into the Mecca agreement will [00:04:26] put these three countries in confrontation with Israel, because Syria [00:04:30] is subject to aggression, and I believe [00:04:33] companies, do not make their to knock on the doors of peace. this is a subsequent step. Why? I believe that after the end of the American midterm elections, [00:04:37] which have ended and been decided in favor of the Democrats, [00:04:40] as well as the Israeli elections, and there is a new [00:04:43] government coming soon, I believe that there [00:04:46] will be a peace agreement [00:04:49] improving the investment signed, and its drafts have reached a great extent between Syria [00:04:51] and Israel. It will be signed after this [00:04:54] peace agreement is signed. Then the possibility [00:04:58] of Syria joining the Mecca agreement [00:05:09] will talk about information. [00:05:11] Something related to analysis and perhaps also the history of reading [00:05:15] the history of agreements that occur, meaning that [00:05:19] we can measure the Mecca agreement against, and also the Syrian situation [00:05:22] that Syria is going through, which is completely different from stable [00:05:26] countries like Pakistan, Turkey, or Saudi Arabia, [00:05:29] and the differences in capabilities and defense industries [00:05:32] and so on of other elements. [00:05:36] In a sense, it's just a matter of time and a chronological [00:05:39] arrangement, but the possibility [00:05:42] of the Mecca agreement may be possible in 2027 after other steps [00:05:47] or with the region. And that may be as an observer [00:05:50] or as a participant or as a... And this [00:05:56] mean anything concerning Syria's position or so on, but [00:06:00] each country has its circumstances [00:06:03] the ground. In addition, the Minister of [00:06:06] Defense was also accompanying, and perhaps bilateral agreements [00:06:10] were concluded. These bilateral agreements may serve the Mecca [00:06:13] agreement directly or indirectly. [00:06:17] Well, it's an economic issue, but it seems that economics [00:06:20] cannot be separated from politics. Returning to Dr. Mahmoud Abdul [00:06:24] Karim, Dr. Mahmoud, if there are several agreements, how [00:06:27] can we ensure that these loans are directed towards [00:06:30] projects with economic [00:06:34] their impact is not limited to rehabilitating [00:06:37] facilities but extends to improving the efficiency of [00:06:40] services and production? [00:06:44] That is, ensuring the economic feasibility of loans starts by [00:06:47] changing the way projects are evaluated, so that [00:06:50] we are not just satisfied with asking about the amount of [00:06:54] money spent or the number of facilities that will be [00:06:57] rehabilitated, but rather we ask about the actual [00:07:00] improvement in service and production and whether the improvement is worth [00:07:04] the cost of financing. For example, if we allocated 90 [00:07:08] million dollars to rehabilitate the Aleppo [00:07:11] thermal power plant, the success criterion is not just the completion [00:07:15] of maintenance work, but the number [00:07:18] of megawatts that actually returned to the grid, the number [00:07:21] of additional supply hours, and the extent [00:07:25] for factories and citizens. In addition [00:07:28] to this, this requires ensuring fuel supplies and network [00:07:31] maintenance in parallel with the rehabilitation of the plant, [00:07:35] because a ready plant without [00:07:38] sufficient fuel will not achieve any required economic return. [00:07:42] The same applies to the water project [00:07:44] of 30 million dollars, which aims to install [00:07:47] 30,000 smart meters. The goal is not to install [00:07:50] meters in themselves, but [00:07:54] to reduce waste and improve billing [00:07:56] accuracy, and also improve collection and provide [00:08:00] water financial resources that help water [00:08:03] institutions maintain networks and improve service [00:08:06] continuity, while taking into account the purchasing [00:08:09] power of families. As for the housing sector, [00:08:13] we have 60 million dollars to rehabilitate up to 1000 housing [00:08:17] units, which is equivalent to about 6000 [00:08:20] dollars per unit on average. Here, funding must be directed [00:08:23] to housing that can be renovated, [00:08:27] where water, electricity, [00:08:31] schools, and job opportunities are available, in order for [00:08:34] this return or the return of families to be a real return to economic [00:08:37] activity and not just repairing closed buildings. [00:08:41] The basic guarantee here is the existence of clear feasibility [00:08:45] studies before implementation and measurable [00:08:49] indicators, and joint financial and technical oversight, [00:08:53] in addition to publishing periodic reports that [00:08:56] clarify what has been spent and what has actually been achieved. For example, [00:08:59] Dr. Mahmoud, for example, the health sector faces [00:09:01] a severe shortage of equipment and infrastructure, [00:09:05] which you mentioned. How can [00:09:07] economic oversight [00:09:10] mechanisms work to achieve [00:09:14] perhaps the highest operational efficiency [00:09:17] for hospitals, medical centers, everything [00:09:20] related to this matter? [00:09:23] Certainly, achieving high operational efficiency does [00:09:27] not stop at providing medical devices and equipment, but rather [00:09:30] requires rebuilding the entire operating system [00:09:33] and management entirely. And this is precisely what should be focused [00:09:37] on when Saudi funding of 100 million dollars is directed to the health [00:09:41] sector. We are facing a sector that has suffered [00:09:44] for years from damaged facilities and a lack of equipment and staff. Therefore, [00:09:48] the goal should not only be to reopen hospitals, but to ensure [00:09:52] their ability to provide regular and high-quality medical [00:09:55] services. The first step is to conduct [00:09:58] an accurate assessment of needs in each governorate [00:10:01] so that we do not buy expensive equipment for hospitals [00:10:05] that lack stable electricity or lack [00:10:08] qualified staff to operate these equipment. For example, [00:10:12] if we buy a sophisticated medical imaging device, [00:10:16] but the hospital does not have specialized technicians or a budget [00:10:19] for its maintenance, then we would have spent money without [00:10:22] achieving the required health return. And here lies the importance [00:10:25] of economic oversight, which must monitor not only [00:10:29] purchase prices and contracts, but also the cost of [00:10:33] medical service and equipment utilization rates, the number [00:10:36] of patients treated, [00:10:39] the average patient waiting time, the equipment [00:10:42] breakdown rate. For example, an operational goal can be set [00:10:46] to reduce waiting times by 20-30% [00:10:49] in the targeted hospitals, but after measuring [00:10:53] the current situation and determining the actual capabilities. [00:10:56] There are key points related to resource distribution. [00:11:00] It is not efficient to concentrate equipment [00:11:03] in hospitals in large cities, while rural areas [00:11:07] remain without primary [00:11:10] the pressure on central hospitals and raises [00:11:13] transportation and treatment costs for citizens. Also, digital [00:11:17] systems should be adopted for inventory, [00:11:20] medicine, and appointment management, in addition to linking purchases [00:11:23] to actual hospital needs, allocating periodic budgets [00:11:27] for maintenance and staff [00:11:30] reports should be international and public, comparing [00:11:34] the funds provided [00:11:46] investing 100 million dollars is not measured by the number of devices [00:11:50] we buy or the buildings we renovate, [00:11:54] who receive appropriate treatment, the reduction in the cost [00:11:57] of service provision, and the improvement in its quality and continuity. [00:12:01] Go ahead, Mr. Mohammed. I would like to say [00:12:04] that this is very good talk. Focusing on the efficiency of services [00:12:08] and the quality of implementation of the expected projects, and I am confident [00:12:12] that the Saudi Development Fund, which implemented these or chose this type of [00:12:16] projects, and that it worked on studying them in depth [00:12:19] to achieve a tangible impact. However, I would like to point [00:12:22] out an important point, that we are talking about [00:12:25] an economy that starts almost from scratch, I mean, at [00:12:29] the infrastructure level, yes, and at [00:12:31] the level of sectors ready [00:12:35] to receive investments and obtain [00:12:38] services. [00:12:40] And this needs time, so I don't want us to rush [00:12:44] the results from this type of major projects because these [00:12:47] projects will serve Syria for 50 and 100 years to come. We are talking about [00:12:51] projects in the water sector, in the health sector, in the infrastructure sector, in the [00:12:55] telecommunications sector, in the energy sector. And these are huge [00:12:58] projects that require huge liquidity, of course, [00:13:01] and require time for their direct [00:13:05] impact to be realized, whether on citizens [00:13:08] or even within the economic circle. [00:13:10] Yes, the Syrian one. However, I emphasize what [00:13:14] my colleagues have said, that the focus [00:13:17] on projects that can achieve [00:13:20] sustainability. [00:13:21] Yes, [00:13:24] or even at the level of revenues for the Syrian economy. [00:13:27] Professor Ahmed, Syria needs everything [00:13:31] and needs huge projects, and the burden [00:13:34] is heavy. [00:13:37] The global context today is indeed confusing. First, there is a global [00:13:41] economic crisis, and there is a kind of stagnation [00:13:44] in the global economy. I was, [00:13:48] a few days ago, in the Netherlands. There is something like a living [00:13:51] crisis, and prices have risen manifold, while income has remained [00:13:55] the same. This cannot be separated from the situation of the Syrian [00:13:58] economy, and also what is happening in Syria. [00:14:02] Today, the investor counts to ten because [00:14:05] he is facing a situation that [00:14:08] is neither war nor peace in this region especially, [00:14:11] and therefore it is not easy for an investor to put [00:14:15] his money in a geography that is not [00:14:17] stable. In addition to that, [00:14:21] the global economic cycle that is going through something like [00:14:25] a recession, from time to time, also indicates [00:14:28] that there is a global recession. And let's not forget [00:14:32] the conflicts or the Chinese-American conflict in light [00:14:36] of also, what the American voter [00:14:39] did in rejecting Trump's policies, and therefore [00:14:42] the joy in both Russia and China. All these [00:14:46] facts mean that the region's economy is an economy that [00:14:49] is linked to it, and we know that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, [00:14:52] the Arabian Gulf, and Syria are trying [00:14:57] At the same time, America and Israel insist on knocking [00:15:00] on the doors of war with Iran. And this knocking on the doors of peace [00:15:04] is not only because it has a moral and religious character, but also [00:15:07] an economic character, because those who will suffer, Israel dances [00:15:11] with joy, it wants a war in the Gulf region, [00:15:13] perhaps a big conflict will happen between Iran and the Gulf [00:15:17] countries, and thus the Gulf economy will be destroyed, or so [00:15:20] on. From here, today we cannot look at this [00:15:24] agreement except in light of what is happening globally and what is happening [00:15:28] regionally, and what is the timing in which [00:15:32] the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia made such loans and investments [00:15:35] in the most difficult and critical stage. [00:15:38] This is proof first of strategic cooperation between the two countries, [00:15:41] confidence in the Syrian government, and the desire to say, O [00:15:45] Syrian brother, O Syrian people, I am by your side, not [00:15:48] just in words, but in deeds, and [00:15:50] days come and go, and the world turns. [00:15:54] And the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, [00:15:57] the relationship between Syria and the Kingdom, this [00:16:00] is very important because it gives an indication that [00:16:03] this relationship is not momentary or fleeting [00:16:07] or linked to this circumstance or that, but [00:16:10] it is a strategic relationship. Therefore, the development [00:16:13] of Syria and taking its hand so that it rises and moves [00:16:17] forward and recovers is not a fleeting [00:16:20] matter or a matter, but it is at the core of the Saudi [00:16:23] strategy. And perhaps we remember the positions of His Royal [00:16:27] Highness Prince Mohammed bin Salman when, the meeting of the Syrian [00:16:31] President with Trump, in addition to the successive visits, standing by [00:16:34] Syria, the Saudi ministers who came, raising the level [00:16:38] of diplomatic representation, encouraging Saudi investors, and also [00:16:43] in the Kingdom, all these are messages. This time, [00:16:47] these are practical messages, not words, and not [00:16:50] visits. Perhaps we heard, I will be frank with you, [00:16:54] I heard from many Syrian citizens, I am the Syrian citizen [00:16:59] the street, I don't care about the many Syrian diplomatic visits, but I care about [00:17:02] a decent living. Yes, but a decent living [00:17:06] and improving the economic situation cannot happen except with successful [00:17:10] diplomacy, with diplomacy [00:17:14] countries, dialoguing with countries, and searching for common ground and strengthening [00:17:17] this common ground and presenting mature projects. Perhaps [00:17:20] the citizen is eager for that, and that is his right, because a decent living [00:17:24] is one of the hardest things, especially for those who have children. But without these [00:17:28] presenting projects to countries that [00:17:32] care about us, things cannot [00:17:36] move forward. And from [00:17:39] the Saudi Development Fund is very [00:17:42] important, with an easy loan as well. The loan is easy and the repayment [00:17:46] is also easy, and this not only reveals a strategic [00:17:49] dimension, but also reveals that you are facing a brother who wants you to [00:17:52] rise and move forward, and at the same [00:17:55] time, it is not a matter of aid or so on, but a matter [00:17:59] of a loan, and therefore it is satisfactory for the policies of both countries and the strategies [00:18:02] of both countries, and we don't know after a quarter of a century, perhaps something new will happen [00:18:08] not arrange, for example, the President was clear, [00:18:11] we do not want international loans, because often international [00:18:15] loans, and this is a very important point, international loans, whether [00:18:18] from the World Bank or the International Monetary Fund, have political conditions behind them. [00:18:22] Today, our brothers in the Kingdom, we share values, principles, ethics, [00:18:27] this loan is for the development of the country without conditions related [00:18:31] to the structure of society or so on. Dr. Mahmoud, in addition [00:18:35] to these agreements, we witnessed the meeting between President Ahmed Al-Sharaa [00:18:38] and a number of representatives of Chinese companies. Have we [00:18:41] really moved, Dr., to a stage of attracting [00:18:45] real investment in Syria, or is the road still [00:18:48] long to achieve [00:18:50] that? [00:18:52] There is no doubt that the reception of His [00:18:56] Excellency the President of the Chinese delegation is giving [00:19:00] a signal that Syria has indeed started to move from the stage of exploring [00:19:03] investment opportunities to the stage of building more [00:19:06] serious economic partnerships. But in my opinion, it is too early [00:19:09] to consider every meeting with foreign [00:19:13] materialize on the ground. The meeting between His Excellency the President [00:19:16] and representatives of Chinese companies carries a very important economic [00:19:19] significance because China has extensive experience in building [00:19:23] power plants, transportation, telecommunications, and industrial [00:19:26] zones, which are sectors that the Syrian economy urgently [00:19:29] needs. But there are basic stages that we always distinguish between, [00:19:33] which are three: first, the interest of companies in the Syrian market; [00:19:37] the second stage is signing contracts and securing funding; and the last [00:19:41] stage is starting actual implementation. The third stage [00:19:44] is what determines the size of real investment. For example, [00:19:49] worth 403 million dollars provide developmental [00:19:53] funding for specific projects, while potential [00:19:57] Chinese commercial investment will require studying [00:20:00] returns, risks, and mechanisms for recovering [00:20:04] capital. And here it is important to realize that Chinese [00:20:07] companies, like other international [00:20:10] decisions based on opportunities alone, but rather they look [00:20:14] at the stability of legislation, the possibility of transferring [00:20:18] profits, the availability of electricity, ensuring [00:20:22] contract execution, and purchasing power in the market. Therefore, [00:20:26] environment, in my opinion, is no less important than promoting [00:20:30] projects. And what is striking is that the Syrian-Chinese [00:20:33] forum witnessed the participation of representatives from 16 [00:20:36] Chinese companies, and this is [00:20:39] a very great interest in studying opportunities, [00:20:42] but it does not mean that 16 projects have entered the implementation [00:20:46] phase. And the most important opportunity for Syria is that cooperation [00:20:50] should not be limited to importing equipment, but should extend [00:20:54] to establishing joint factories, transferring [00:20:57] technology, and also, very importantly, training Syrian labor and linking [00:21:01] local production to foreign markets. Every new [00:21:04] factory must contribute to providing job opportunities, [00:21:08] reliance on imports. In return, it is necessary [00:21:11] to address banking and financing obstacles, accelerate [00:21:14] licensing procedures, and present well-studied projects [00:21:18] with clear returns. Therefore, the path towards attracting [00:21:22] widespread investment, in my opinion, still requires institutional [00:21:25] work, but we are facing indicators of interest [00:21:28] that are worth building on. [00:21:31] The real economic test during the coming period is not the number of delegations, [00:21:35] but the size of capital. I want to move on, Professor [00:21:38] Jasser, and the conclusion is from [00:21:46] if you allow me, if the region, Professor Jasser, moves towards [00:21:50] de-escalation and security tensions disappear, are we facing [00:21:53] an Arab geo-economic reality that is possible [00:21:57] and Syria will be part of it? [00:21:59] If you allow me, Hiba, I have a comment for my colleagues. The Kingdom [00:22:03] has completed ten years of the Kingdom's Vision 2030 today. [00:22:07] The Kingdom, in all the programs it participates in, is based on objective, studied [00:22:10] plans and set goals, not just [00:22:14] anything. So, this Saudi-Syrian cooperation is based on a clear, [00:22:17] well-defined program, where it will begin, where [00:22:21] it will end, and what it will achieve, and also [00:22:25] including the obstacles and difficulties that may hinder or impede [00:22:28] its achievement in some way. The region may be heading [00:22:32] towards stability, or it may be heading towards [00:22:34] a crisis. The main bet is on the solidity of internal [00:22:38] positions, on our ability to face these challenges. We are not [00:22:42] managing these challenges. We can deal with their [00:22:45] risks. So, here, the amounts will be paid. No, I think [00:22:49] it was a joint study of all [00:23:00] the details. Countries do not deal emotionally. They deal according to matters [00:23:12] I would like to add to the words of my colleagues who talked [00:23:16] about Syria today, even though it is in dire [00:23:20] need of any amount or any investment for the reconstruction [00:23:23] of a country that was destroyed by more than 95% [00:23:26] in all aspects of life or infrastructure. [00:23:29] However, I remember, and I had the honor [00:23:33] of attending several occasions where President Ahmed Al-Sharaa was present, [00:23:36] whether at the IFA conference in Riyadh or even [00:23:40] in Davos or even in the United States of America, [00:23:43] I had the opportunity to attend meetings where he was present. One of the best [00:23:47] things I heard was that Syria does not [00:23:51] want to resort to what some [00:23:57] or on loans that the brothers called international loans, and I, [00:24:01] personally, call them poisoned loans that shackle countries [00:24:04] and partially impede something of [00:24:07] their sovereignty. Therefore, I am happy with the vision [00:24:10] that the leadership in Syria possesses, by relying on [00:24:14] the real opportunities that the Syrian economy has and working [00:24:17] to attract investors through [00:25:59] In a pivotal historical moment, [00:26:02] Damascus turned a long page of absence, [00:26:06] and regained its voice and its free [00:26:09] decision. [00:26:13] The responsibility of the media is no longer limited to reporting [00:26:17] news only, but has become linked to verifying [00:26:20] information and presenting it with clarity, [00:26:24] balance, [00:26:25] and safety. [00:26:29] We assure you that Syria's transition today [00:26:33] from the presidency to the seat of an active member will witness [00:26:36] a redoubled Syrian presence, out of our belief [00:26:40] in joint action in our Arab surroundings. [00:27:30] Partnerships between Syrian and German [00:27:32] universities. [00:27:38] Israeli occupation forces penetrate with nine vehicles into Al-Hurriya [00:27:42] village in the northern Quneitra countryside, [00:27:46] in Al-Rafid the restrictions [00:27:48] on the residents. [00:27:54] Inauguration of the rubble recycling unit in Darayya and launching [00:27:58] a project for the removal and recycling of more than 25 [00:28:04] Al-Zabadani in the Damascus countryside.