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[00:00:00] No matter how small,
[00:00:02] Ukrainian President Zelensky, he is ultimately we listen, explore, investigate, research,
[00:00:08] all found that this
[00:00:08] and linking it to the crisis in and discuss, striving to highlight what was missing from the details
[00:00:11] path to mend the rift in of the picture. The explorer on the screen of Syria TV.
[00:00:36] There is a gradation in this of Foreign Affairs in the sixties of
[00:00:42] more experience, and perhaps do not have this
[00:00:42] and making this served in the ministry
[00:00:45] team, and this also applies to Foreign Minister Asaad Al-Sheibani issued a decision to appoint
[00:00:48] Muzna Al-Atrash as an advisor for peace affairs in
[00:00:51] but this does not the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Al-
[00:00:53] mean that we attack this Atrash, who hails from Suwayda Governorate, holds a
[00:00:57] degree from the Higher Institute of Dramatic Arts.
[00:01:00] And a degree in media. She also served as a member of
[00:01:03] the Syrian Women's Advisory Council affiliated with the United
[00:01:07] Nations. Muzna Al-Atrash was one of the figures
[00:01:11] who attended a session dedicated by
[00:01:14] the Security Council to hear testimonies regarding
[00:01:18] the events in the coast and Suwayda last
[00:01:21] year.
[00:01:32] this appointment can For discussion with me, Dr. Ahmed Touma, politician and academic from Damascus. Welcome. And with me
[00:01:35] Bassam Al-Amadi, former
[00:01:38] of the seriousness of the situation in Syrian ambassador to Sweden, directly from
[00:01:41] Rome. Welcome, Mr. Bassam. I will start with Dr. Ahmed. So,
[00:01:45] way or another of the former regime. She was in the appointment of an advisor to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs for
[00:01:49] peace affairs. What does this position mean at the beginning? What is its nature,
[00:01:52] Dr.
[00:01:57] an awareness from of building bridges with the community in diploma in Ahmed? It is certain that we are in dire need of
[00:02:00] peace,
[00:02:03] yes, I will answer you about them. Yes, they are among influence and impact in and every step that brings us closer to
[00:02:04] to what extent can this appointment peace in Syria,
[00:02:07] and especially if there is a problem in
[00:02:10] working abroad or in Suwayda, then that reinforces this idea. We
[00:02:14] want
[00:02:20] and experience and ability to be an advisor, even if she was in a country and a civil state for all its people, where all components and colors meet,
[00:02:25] file. There are many players when that depth in and from different segments.
[00:02:27] Bassam. Don't And if it happened in of times. I mean, this the past.
[00:02:32] competent authority or the competent department in From the difference of opinions that resulted in a significant
[00:02:35] escalation in positions, then if
[00:02:39] a deep background in there is a possibility to cool these positions through
[00:02:42] Suwayda is part of the appointment of a peace ambassador,
[00:02:46] extensive experience in uh-huh, from the unified Druze
[00:02:49] community, then this
[00:02:51] I do not know. Do you think that will certainly be a positive thing, especially if this
[00:02:55] personality, as you mentioned in the introduction, was from
[00:02:59] the Women's Council, from the
[00:03:02] United Nations team, uh, this gives her an additional
[00:03:06] status, even though she was historically
[00:03:09] known to have positions that
[00:03:13] perhaps do not fit with
[00:03:16] a former Syrian ambassador in the greatness of her age. We will get to these positions, but you indicate
[00:03:18] that Syria is most in need of peace, and you linked it to the Suwayda
[00:03:22] file. But do you think the name or the
[00:03:25] description indicates the function you mentioned?
[00:03:29] I mean, she is an advisor to the Foreign Minister for
[00:03:32] Peace Affairs, so to speak, in general. If it was as
[00:03:36] you say, the description should have been Advisor to the Foreign Minister
[00:03:40] for Suwayda Affairs, shouldn't
[00:03:42] of Foreign Affairs, since its establishment in it?
[00:03:46] Let me say that the matter is general, and it
[00:03:48] takes a large aspect from the
[00:03:51] moral side, as it is most likely
[00:03:56] related to loyalty. Here there is no that this appointment will reflect positively on the issue
[00:03:59] of Suwayda. And since
[00:04:02] doesn't the the matter has been linked to peace, and certainly I believe that my sister
[00:04:06] will play external roles in the
[00:04:09] this arrangement must peace story, and this is what the title indicates, in addition
[00:04:13] to the fact that she can be a link
[00:04:16] or a bridge between
[00:04:19] our brothers in Suwayda and
[00:04:22] the authority in Damascus, especially since she is from the
[00:04:25] Al-Atrash family, and this also strengthens the status
[00:04:29] everyone in of dialogue and meeting between the parties. I
[00:04:32] look at this appointment positively,
[00:04:35] problems that exist and we hope that it will result in something
[00:04:38] better, and if this is reinforced
[00:04:42] with other
[00:04:44] of her age is to civil peace, has a relation. additions, with other appointments, with other understandings, then we in
[00:04:48] Syria are in dire need of each other. Well,
[00:04:53] can result from such ambassador for childhood, an ambassador, I mean, along the state of coolness, the state of tension and pull, cannot remain indefinitely.
[00:04:56] We want a solution, and we believe
[00:05:00] that the time has come to start with such solutions.
[00:05:03] Uh-huh. Mr. Bassam, from theater
[00:05:08] nominations start from to present all points of view here in and media and the Higher Institute of Dramatic Arts to the Syrian Foreign Ministry. What do you think of this
[00:05:12] appointment, according to what my guest Dr.
[00:05:16] Ahmed also mentioned regarding the issue of Suwayda
[00:05:30] opinion. I do not want to give a personal opinion or a personal judgment. No, I am asking about your
[00:05:34] professional opinion.
[00:05:36] I will give it to you after the professional discussion.
[00:05:39] Usually, an advisor in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs,
[00:05:43] as is customary since the establishment of the Ministry
[00:05:47] the last century, is appointed
[00:05:50] after having
[00:05:53] as an ambassador in multiple missions
[00:05:56] and has a specific specialization. For example, let's say the socialist
[00:06:00] countries previously, or the Western
[00:06:02] countries, or the United States, or the United Nations, or international
[00:06:06] organizations. When he returns from his missions
[00:06:09] and is referred to retirement, and...
[00:06:12] He has a good reputation and a
[00:06:16] good reputation regarding professionalism, he is appointed
[00:06:18] as an advisor in the Advisory Council of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
[00:06:22] This is what was followed until the fall of the regime. Nothing changed.
[00:06:26] Even when the Ba'ath came and Bashar came
[00:06:29] and others came, it remained as it was in the professional situation.
[00:06:33] Now, in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, there are
[00:06:35] two levels. The first level is the political
[00:06:38] level. Usually, the minister is responsible for it.
[00:06:43] The second level is the technical level, or
[00:06:47] let's say the technocratic
[00:06:50] level. The directors of departments and the minister's
[00:06:53] deputies are responsible for it, between them and
[00:06:56] the minister. Now,
[00:06:59] we do not know what are the qualifications of the lady
[00:07:02] you mentioned, or the young lady who has a
[00:07:07] cinematic sciences, a university degree in media from Al-Hayat
[00:07:10] Al-Jadida University, also has
[00:07:21] Yes, so I do not know the
[00:07:24] other capabilities because these capabilities do not qualify her to
[00:07:29] the Women's Council. This means, and it seems that
[00:07:33] her age does not give her
[00:07:36] the issue she will be working on. In any case,
[00:07:39] the advisor must give the minister. And the
[00:07:45] the matter, what experiences they do not have.
[00:07:48] I mean, it is true that Minister Al-Sheibani does not have
[00:07:52] diplomacy, but despite that,
[00:07:55] the advisor must have
[00:07:59] the work in which he will be consulted. Therefore,
[00:08:04] this criterion was not followed in the appointment of other advisors in the foreign ministry
[00:08:08] because there are many advisors, I mean, in European
[00:08:11] affairs? American affairs, perhaps, I mean, Jihad
[00:08:14] Makdissi is a special case due to his previous experience, but I did not find
[00:08:18] that this criterion, which you refer to, Mr.
[00:08:22] Bassam, I mean, especially regarding the issue of the advisor
[00:08:26] previously being an ambassador and then becoming an advisor after that.
[00:08:30] This was not adopted in other cases.
[00:08:33] Why is it adopted now? This is also a question.
[00:08:37] Unfortunately, your words are 100% correct, and your question is
[00:08:40] also 100% correct. But,
[00:08:42] Minister Al-Sheibani has a special way of organizing the Ministry
[00:08:46] of Interior, excuse me, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and ambassadors
[00:08:49] and embassies. He follows a special order that is completely different from what
[00:08:53] other foreign ministries follow, whether in appointing directors
[00:08:56] of departments or in appointing ambassadors. And as you mentioned,
[00:09:00] Jihad Makdissi is perhaps the only
[00:09:03] exception among the advisors.
[00:09:07] Someone listening to us now from Syrians might say, who said that the criterion that the
[00:09:10] regime used to follow previously is the criterion that should be followed? I mean, why
[00:09:15] new
[00:09:17] state create its own criteria?
[00:09:19] Do you want us to reinvent
[00:09:23] the wheel? The wheel exists,
[00:09:26] and all countries follow it. I mean, it is a purely
[00:09:29] technocratic and purely professional
[00:09:33] matter. Why does a doctor work
[00:09:36] as a doctor and an engineer as an engineer, and the work does not
[00:09:39] overlap between them? I mean, each one has his specialization. Why, in diplomacy,
[00:09:43] does a person come from an unknown
[00:09:46] background at all in diplomatic work and is called
[00:09:49] an ambassador or chargé d'affaires or director of administration? I mean, this work
[00:09:53] will lead to utter failure, utter
[00:09:56] failure, I mean, clear failure. The work
[00:09:59] requires professionalism. You cannot bring anyone and tell him,
[00:10:03] tell him, work as a doctor or an engineer or a diplomat.
[00:10:07] I mean, diplomatic work may be difficult to discover
[00:10:10] except after a long time, after it becomes clear.
[00:10:13] I will try
[00:10:19] the discussion. But also, for example, we have exceptions even in Western
[00:10:23] models. I mean, when we talk about, for example,
[00:10:27] from art and cinema and became president
[00:10:30] of a country. Good question. I will also
[00:10:34] tell you the reason. In other countries, there is
[00:10:37] an institution that runs by itself, I mean, without anything, but
[00:10:41] the minister comes to give the final political
[00:10:44] decision, while the technical matter is handled by
[00:10:48] the ministry, as I said, the minister's deputies, department directors,
[00:10:51] and others. Then the minister comes to give his political opinion,
[00:10:55] political guidance. In Ukraine, it is true that the president
[00:10:58] is present, but he has enough advisors and
[00:11:02] institutions to run the country. I mean, he does not run
[00:11:05] the country alone. Certainly, he has a working
[00:11:10] embassies. Embassies usually have a diplomatic
[00:11:14] team that handles affairs. The ambassador only provides
[00:11:17] political guidance. There are administrative and technical matters that
[00:11:21] the new ambassador, who has not worked in diplomacy, cannot
[00:11:25] know. And also the minister. The minister previously, I mean, we had
[00:11:28] ministers recently who were professionals, but the ministers
[00:11:32] who were not professionals had what was called the Secretary-
[00:11:36] General of the Ministry, and then there were deputies for him who
[00:11:40] did the professional technical work. But
[00:11:43] now the minister himself does not have diplomatic experience,
[00:11:46] and the deputies and directors do not have experience,
[00:11:50] and the advisors. If we confine
[00:11:53] the discussion to the possibility of what
[00:11:57] achieve regarding peace in Suwayda, don't you think
[00:12:00] it is a somewhat legitimate choice, especially
[00:12:04] since she is from Suwayda, Ms. Muzn Al-Atrash,
[00:12:07] from the Al-Atrash family, an ancient family that
[00:12:10] has considerable popularity within Suwayda, this family I mean,
[00:12:13] and therefore, can't this constitute
[00:12:17] a contribution to the possibility
[00:12:20] Suwayda? You mentioned two points.
[00:12:24] The first point regarding
[00:12:27] Suwayda, this is true, but this
[00:12:30] is not in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, because the Ministry of Foreign Affairs requires
[00:12:35] missions or in diplomatic work, and here the matter
[00:12:38] is different. It does not require influence, and it does not require
[00:12:42] it requires professionalism
[00:12:45] deal with it. It has become a regional file, I mean, it is no longer just a domestic
[00:12:50] we talk about Jordan, we talk about Israel.
[00:12:53] True. Players. We talk about Jordan, we talk
[00:12:57] about the United States, we talk about Israel. I mean, this is what the roadmap
[00:13:01] approved in Amman also says. Yes, but for
[00:13:04] Syria,
[00:13:07] civil peace, not peace in the sense
[00:13:11] that applies to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, external peace with other
[00:13:14] countries. As for the issue of Suwayda, it is internal
[00:13:18] civil peace, and it has nothing to do with an advisor in the Ministry
[00:13:21] of Foreign Affairs. She should have been appointed an advisor in, for example, the Ministry
[00:13:25] of Interior or any other ministry, but in the Foreign Ministry, this work
[00:13:29] is related to international work and not to civil peace.
[00:13:32] Dr. Ahmed, what do you think of what Mr. Bassam said? I mean, he
[00:13:35] expressed his opinion from a professional standpoint, given that he was also
[00:13:41] Sweden. Please, Dr. Ahmed.
[00:13:44] Let me say that some of what our
[00:13:47] brother Mr. Bassam said is true,
[00:13:50] but
[00:13:52] it is not absolute that the title of advisor or the position
[00:13:56] of advisor is given to a person who has progressed in this
[00:13:59] matter from a small employee to a senior
[00:14:02] employee. Not at all. So what about
[00:14:05] when he is a peace advisor?
[00:14:08] A peace advisor has specific tasks,
[00:14:12] including mending fences, including creating
[00:14:15] positive relationships with
[00:14:19] the international community and with the local community. And I have seen that
[00:14:22] many football players
[00:14:25] have become peace ambassadors in their countries
[00:14:28] and for major international organizations. Then
[00:14:32] the statement that
[00:14:34] be as known through, I mean, representatives
[00:14:38] for peace in the United Nations organization. Often, the matter is different from
[00:14:42] the context in which we are talking. No, not at all.
[00:14:46] No, no, I do not agree with you on this criticism.
[00:14:49] I say specifically a peace advisor
[00:14:52] has certain characteristics. Aiming to mend
[00:14:56] fences, aiming to bring hearts together. And he can be
[00:14:59] a personality
[00:15:02] who has no direct relation to politics, but has a relation
[00:15:05] to peace, has a relation
[00:15:09] He is not called an advisor, excuse me, Dr. Ahmed. His name is rapprochement of views.
[00:15:12] Excuse me, he is called an ambassador, for example, a United Nations
[00:15:17] these lines, but he is not appointed an advisor
[00:15:21] in, I mean, in a ministry.
[00:15:28] Please. No, I mean, I don't at all.
[00:15:30] The advisor, the advisor is not
[00:15:33] exclusive to personalities who move
[00:15:36] to this position. Specifically, the advisor,
[00:15:40] because whoever has a sound mind in a certain
[00:15:43] file, he is, by Arabic linguistic
[00:15:46] definition, an advisor, and he can be consulted. So what
[00:15:50] about considering that Ms. Muzna, and not in her defense,
[00:15:54] belongs to
[00:15:57] Suwayda and comes from a prominent family, respected by
[00:16:01] her people, and this appointment may lead
[00:16:04] to positive results in case
[00:16:09] the file in Suwayda itself is resolved. I say that if the
[00:16:12] results of this appointment will lead to improving
[00:16:15] conditions and bringing views closer,
[00:16:19] appointment a white point through which we reach
[00:16:23] everyone. Everyone wants to solve it in Suwayda, but my guest's
[00:16:26] concern is that she was appointed an advisor in the Ministry of Interior,
[00:16:30] excuse me, I mean, we are talking about an advisor in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. No, no,
[00:16:33] not at all.
[00:16:36] You know that the Suwayda file the Minister
[00:16:39] directly handled it, and the agreement that
[00:16:42] took place in Amman a few
[00:16:44] months ago
[00:16:47] regarding Suwayda made it within the powers of the Ministry
[00:16:51] of Foreign Affairs, and therefore saying that making her in the Ministry
[00:16:54] of Interior, and it is not embarrassing to appoint
[00:16:57] other advisors in other ministries,
[00:17:00] but regarding this appointment, I personally do not
[00:17:04] find it embarrassing. Then I want to say. Even
[00:17:08] regarding the position when considering the previous
[00:17:11] positions of Ms. Muzna Al-Atrash, you referred to them at the beginning of the discussion,
[00:17:15] and I do not want to forget this idea. It seems that she also had
[00:17:18] positions that were supportive in one
[00:17:22] the media system of the former regime.
[00:17:25] This opens a question about the criteria
[00:17:28] as well, Dr. Ahmed.
[00:17:31] Okay, I will say again, um,
[00:17:35] please answer this point. These points were, by God,
[00:17:41] the points that are held against her and also against
[00:17:44] whoever made this decision in this way, that this woman
[00:17:48] with her history has the following points, but
[00:17:52] if the naming of this situation is for a higher interest for the
[00:17:56] state, from here you take this angle, but let me
[00:17:59] go back to an idea I wanted to talk about in detail.
[00:18:03] The idea that the only condition to become an advisor
[00:18:06] is to be hierarchical, as the Syrian
[00:18:09] regime used to do. The Syrian regime used to previously confine
[00:18:12] all
[00:18:15] these groups of employees from his own group
[00:18:19] and promote them until they reach
[00:18:22] the rank of advisor within
[00:18:25] a single path that
[00:18:27] he leads. Therefore, it is not permissible
[00:18:31] to cite in
[00:18:33] a point like this point by saying
[00:18:37] that we should follow the previous approach. Then
[00:18:41] who said that
[00:18:44] ambassadors, as well as heads of international
[00:18:47] missions, all came through
[00:18:51] the Ministry of Foreign Affairs? This is Tom Barrack, he has nothing to do
[00:18:54] with it, neither closely nor remotely, with the hierarchical
[00:18:58] matter in the Ministry
[00:19:00] of Foreign Affairs. Rather, he is a businessman chosen directly by the President
[00:19:04] to deal with problematic files if we want to. He doesn't think so.
[00:19:12] He used to work, I mean, he worked
[00:19:15] for a long time on electoral matters. No, no, he has, I mean, he is not connected
[00:19:18] in any way, but he also has, I mean,
[00:19:21] experience in election campaigns and so
[00:19:24] on. But Dr. Ahmed, excuse me, I mean, this appointment specifically
[00:19:28] seems to have caused controversy among Syrians. I mean, we were
[00:19:31] talking about some appointments
[00:19:34] loyalty. Excuse me, listen to me, Dr. Ahmed. I mean, there
[00:19:37] is a history, perhaps close to the regime, in one way or another. Competence,
[00:19:41] my guest Dr. Ahmed says there is no competence. This raises a question about
[00:19:45] the criterion that was adopted here. What
[00:19:48] is it for Suwayda? Okay, but what is the criterion?
[00:19:52] Fine.
[00:19:55] Fine. The claim that she is not competent is clear from her
[00:19:59] work within her specialty. It is clear that she is
[00:20:02] competent in her specialty. And by the way, she is
[00:20:05] 40 years old. So the claim that she is not experienced and not
[00:20:09] intelligent, 87,
[00:20:10] 87.
[00:20:14] Okay, okay, I mean 40 years or close to that, and
[00:20:17] that is an age of maturity in intellect, and therefore criticizing her because
[00:20:22] not the place
[00:20:24] for criticism. What I want to get to is what are
[00:20:27] the benefits that
[00:20:31] an appointment,
[00:20:33] and without denying that appointments should be
[00:20:37] more prudent, more
[00:20:39] mature, and that every issue should be studied separately,
[00:20:43] so that
[00:20:46] nominations leading to appointments.
[00:20:50] But if the nominations
[00:20:52] and appointments are from experts who
[00:20:58] path is the right
[00:21:01] the country, to find a point
[00:21:04] between us and our Druze brothers, and perhaps this
[00:21:07] appointment will have a positive effect on the international
[00:21:10] level, so that it is said that there has been inclusion
[00:21:13] of the Syrian society with its various colors. Then how
[00:21:17] can a personality
[00:21:20] that was
[00:21:22] personalities
[00:21:24] Dr. Ahmed, personalities from Suwayda who want a solution
[00:21:28] for Suwayda, perhaps have
[00:21:32] history that we are talking
[00:21:33] about?
[00:21:36] Okay, and we want people like these people,
[00:21:43] appointment just
[00:21:47] because she has been
[00:21:51] appointed on this basis. I repeat, we want appointments
[00:21:54] to be disciplined,
[00:21:56] for personalities with high practice,
[00:22:00] personalities that possess excellent intellectual
[00:22:03] qualifications. All of this is required, and this is what
[00:22:06] the approach of the entire Syrian state should be.
[00:22:10] But to say that a certain incident
[00:22:13] is made the basis for all appointments, despite
[00:22:17] the fact that, by the way, I repeat, I agree with Dr.
[00:22:20] Bassam in some of what he presented, and he
[00:22:23] is right in what he said. So we do not want to
[00:22:27] underestimate and deny his right to
[00:22:31] express his point of view and benefit from the proposals
[00:22:35] that can be presented if there is a
[00:22:38] correction to this path that we want to be
[00:22:42] ideal. Uh-huh.
[00:22:46] Okay, Mr. Bassam, do you have a comment,
[00:22:51] and in your opinion, actually be built upon?
[00:22:55] You're laughing.
[00:24:12] personally. I spoke professionally.
[00:24:15] Dr. Ahmed, of course, has the freedom to express
[00:24:19] his opinion, but I mean, he mentioned some things
[00:24:22] that are not absolutely correct. I did not talk
[00:24:26] about the regime's situation or what the regime was. I said the Ministry
[00:24:32] the sixties, even after Bashar and his father
[00:24:36] before him took over, the ministry remained on this pattern, the international
[00:24:39] pattern, the international pattern followed in
[00:24:42] all foreign ministries. So if the regime followed
[00:24:46] it, it does not mean that we should turn against it just because it was
[00:24:50] during the regime's time. This is one. Two, not all
[00:24:53] employees or ambassadors were henchmen
[00:24:57] of the regime. Therefore, I personally left the ministry
[00:25:00] two years before the revolution and separated from the ministry
[00:25:03] and resigned from the ministry. I mean, not
[00:25:06] everyone was, as you mentioned, Dr. Ahmed, but it was, and I was, you
[00:25:10] know, in the coalition. I mean, we all worked in the coalition
[00:25:14] and worked in the revolution. Therefore, not
[00:25:19] the Ministry of Foreign Affairs was from the regime's
[00:25:21] group. There is a completely different matter. There are
[00:25:25] rules of work, rules of work that were followed
[00:25:28] by everyone. This is what I want to say now,
[00:25:31] that the rules regarding advisors are not only
[00:25:35] hierarchical, but the main point is that they must
[00:25:37] have the professionalism and sufficient experience to provide
[00:25:40] advice.
[00:25:43] Secondly, or thirdly, football
[00:25:46] players and others are called peace ambassadors,
[00:25:50] not peace advisors. And there is a big difference.
[00:25:53] A peace ambassador does not work in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and performs
[00:25:57] non-protocol duties that have no meaning whatsoever
[00:26:01] regarding the work of the state. As for the advisor,
[00:26:04] he has an office and provides advice
[00:26:08] to the ministry, and this requires experience and professionalism. Therefore,
[00:26:11] I said that some also make distinctions between
[00:26:14] an advisor for peace affairs and an advisor for civil
[00:26:18] peace affairs. Can you clarify the matter for us, Mr.
[00:26:20] Bassam? Yes, regarding peace,
[00:26:24] especially in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, it is a matter that
[00:26:27] relates to relations with other
[00:26:31] with whom we have problems
[00:26:34] or a breakdown in diplomatic work or hostility, etc.
[00:26:39] matter. As for the issue of civil peace, this relates to
[00:26:42] internal affairs, and I do not think that appointing a personality like
[00:26:46] this lady will make a big difference. I mean, there were
[00:26:50] personalities from from
[00:26:54] Suwayda governorate who had great influence in the opposition
[00:26:57] and also had relations with Al-Hijri
[00:27:00] and with the current authority in Suwayda,
[00:27:04] regardless of the fact that it is illegitimate, but they have
[00:27:07] relations with the state and they have relations here, and it was possible
[00:27:11] to benefit from appointing them. And I mean, I don't want to
[00:27:14] give a personal opinion to Ms. Marina because I don't
[00:27:17] know other things related to
[00:27:20] her diplomatic ability or what she wants to give
[00:27:24] or what she has to give in terms of advice. I only know
[00:27:27] that she does not have long or even short
[00:27:31] experience in the field. The step itself, I mean,
[00:27:34] creating this position in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, doesn't it reflect awareness
[00:27:38] and understanding
[00:27:40] southern Syria, specifically
[00:27:43] after the repeated and continuous daily Israeli
[00:27:46] violations, after what also happened with Jordan?
[00:27:50] Today there is talk that there is a real Israeli
[00:27:54] threat to southern Syria. There is talk about maps,
[00:27:57] and therefore, doesn't this reflect
[00:28:00] the state of the seriousness of the situation, and therefore
[00:28:03] this position was created and this appointment was made for a lady
[00:28:06] who also seems to have good relations with Jordan and Kurdistan
[00:28:09] Region, or so her resume says?
[00:28:12] My dear sister, the situation regarding
[00:28:16] Israel and its plans requires much
[00:28:19] more work than just appointing a peace advisor. I mean,
[00:28:22] there is much more work than that, hundreds
[00:28:27] appointment, as Dr. Ahmed said, may be
[00:28:30] to entice or appease, etc., but for it to have
[00:28:34] a major professional impact, I doubt that. I do not want to
[00:28:38] give a personal opinion on this matter, but I doubt
[00:28:42] that because when such a matter is presented
[00:28:44] to me, I look into the background of who was appointed
[00:28:48] as an advisor. Does he have sufficient experience to work in this field or not?
[00:28:51] No, the sufficient experience. Of course, I don't mean chronologically.
[00:28:55] I don't mean that he must be an ambassador. I was talking about what
[00:28:58] I, as an opponent of your opinion, believe, that he has no experience. Okay,
[00:29:02] in conclusion, I want to make room for a final
[00:29:05] comment from Dr. Ahmed. Please, Dr.
[00:29:08] Ahmed.
[00:29:11] Well, our dear sister,
[00:29:13] Brother Professor Bassam's proposal, and I don't deny his merit
[00:29:16] and his role in the Syrian revolution and his good
[00:29:19] history, this is
[00:29:21] a different matter. I want to say, well, if
[00:29:25] we brought in an advisor from the Hijri group and from outside
[00:29:29] the ministry, wouldn't this contradict what he was proposing
[00:29:33] that the advisor should be hierarchical
[00:29:36] and that he should progress in
[00:29:39] the ministry until he reaches this position?
[00:29:42] The bottom line is that the advisor's hierarchy is not
[00:29:45] necessary. I said experience, and I didn't say
[00:29:49] hierarchy. I mean, you're repeating the word hierarchy. I didn't say it.
[00:29:53] I only said experience.
[00:29:55] I mean the progressive employee
[00:29:58] who progresses from the beginning of his entry into the ministry until the moment
[00:30:10] the moment I want to get to is that the word advisor
[00:30:13] does not necessarily mean an administrative position or
[00:30:17] a consultative position in the sense of absolute consultation,
[00:30:20] but rather it is a position that combines the ties
[00:30:24] of kinship,
[00:30:27] the ties of affection between the components of the people.
[00:30:30] مكونات الشعب
[00:30:33] Also, regarding resolving difficult
[00:30:38] on the ground. This is the basis of this story, and we
[00:30:41] estimate that this appointment is a political
[00:30:45] appointment with social
[00:30:48] backgrounds, with a background of major, difficult problems now,
[00:30:51] especially after the Jordan crisis.