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[00:06:14] writer and former Vice President of Nicaragua, Sergio Ramírez, has just
[00:06:18] published a new novel called "The Curse of
[00:06:21] Ramfis," his fourth novel which features
[00:06:25] police inspector Dolores Morales as the protagonist
[00:06:28] and has as its backdrop the political
[00:06:31] drama that Nicaragua is experiencing. Let's go to the
[00:06:35] interview. Sergio, thank you for being with us, it's a pleasure
[00:06:38] to have you on the program again, before talking about your new novel.
[00:06:43] Please tell us about your personal situation, because your
[00:06:46] Nicaraguan citizenship and nationality
[00:06:48] were revoked along with several other opposition members in
[00:06:52] 2023, where do you live now, how is your
[00:06:56] life, well in Madrid, I have lived in Madrid for 5
[00:06:59] years, eh, I had
[00:07:02] left in May 2021
[00:07:05] for the United States for a medical treatment
[00:07:09] and while there, I realized
[00:07:13] that I was being prosecuted for complicity
[00:07:16] with Cristiana Chamorro
[00:07:19] eh they wanted to eliminate her from the presidential candidate panorama,
[00:07:23] so they fabricated a lawsuit against her for money
[00:07:26] laundering and then
[00:07:29] I decided not to return to the country,
[00:07:32] then I came to Spain for the
[00:07:35] presentation of that novel, Tongoleres didn't know how to dance
[00:07:39] so I stayed here and the following year.
[00:07:44] eh, they already took away my citizenship along
[00:07:47] with another group of Nicaraguans, they
[00:07:50] stripped me of my citizenship, but
[00:07:53] they also stripped me of my lawyer's title
[00:07:55] later,
[00:07:58] so they declared me non- existent, this only happens in
[00:08:01] novels, yes, recently Daniel Ortega
[00:08:04] announced in a speech that there will be no more elections in
[00:08:08] Nicaragua, why do you think he made that announcement,
[00:08:12] he could have kept quiet and said nothing
[00:08:16] on, I think he did it out of
[00:08:18] clumsiness,
[00:08:21] eh, when he starts talking he loses track of what he's saying
[00:08:24] and suddenly he gets angry,
[00:08:28] verbal violence begins
[00:08:31] to dominate him and it seemed to him that the best thing he could do at that
[00:08:34] moment was to declare that there would be no more
[00:08:37] elections eh, but he has
[00:08:40] tried to correct the plan. to say that it's not
[00:08:44] that there won't be elections, but that
[00:08:47] there will be elections but with healthy candidates,
[00:08:51] not with the candidates of imperialism,
[00:08:54] that's all nonsense, what do you think, Sergio,
[00:08:57] that the international community should do about what is happening in Nicaragua?
[00:09:01] Should it impose trade sanctions,
[00:09:04] suspend it from CAFTA, the free trade agreement of Central America
[00:09:08] and the Dominican Republic, that is, what should
[00:09:11] the countries of the region do?
[00:09:13] I believe that Nicaragua has the misfortune of
[00:09:17] not being a central case in the international
[00:09:20] panorama, even in the Latin American space,
[00:09:24] Nicaragua does not have the same attention as Venezuela
[00:09:28] or Cuba
[00:09:30] because Nicaragua is a bit on the sidelines,
[00:09:36] the
[00:09:38] personification of a country that
[00:09:42] has strategic interests,
[00:09:45] rare minerals, oil, Nicaragua has none of
[00:09:49] that, so when a case like
[00:09:52] this occurs, that Ortega's declarations
[00:09:56] declare that there will be no more elections,
[00:10:00] eh, there is a resurgence of protests,
[00:10:03] but these protests remain in the
[00:10:06] communiques, the communiques are lukewarm,
[00:10:10] there are
[00:10:13] eh, organizations that don't even speak out, let's start with the
[00:10:17] Central Americans, SICA, which to be a member of SICA, which is the Central American
[00:10:21] Integration System, you need to be a representative
[00:10:25] democracy without ambiguities,
[00:10:28] however, SICA remains silent,
[00:10:30] the Central American Bank for Economic Integration
[00:10:34] continues to consider it a normal partner,
[00:10:37] a normal partner, which is subject to
[00:10:41] credit, eh, the European
[00:10:44] Union,
[00:10:46] the 27 members of the European Union issue a single
[00:10:50] communiqué which is quite lukewarm
[00:10:52] where in the end they call for dialogue with Ortega and
[00:10:56] that they are interested in that dialogue, that is, dialogue with
[00:10:59] Ortega, I don't know what use it can have to call for
[00:11:02] dialogue with Ortega at this point
[00:11:05] in the game, so
[00:11:09] then those communiques
[00:11:11] fade away, there are countries that don't even
[00:11:14] speak out, El Salvador and Honduras, who are close allies
[00:11:18] of Trump, both Bukele and the president
[00:11:22] of Honduras Azura.
[00:11:25] They maintain absolute silence regarding
[00:11:28] Ortega, the president of Costa Rica has
[00:11:31] said that she wants to coexist with Ortega in
[00:11:34] peace, and that this is an electoral
[00:11:37] decision of Nicaraguans precisely,
[00:11:41] so it is a very unequal response and I would say
[00:11:44] no, it's not decisive.
[00:11:47] Let's talk about your new book, Sergio, "The Curse
[00:11:51] of Ramfis," once again featuring Inspector Dolores Morales
[00:11:55] as the protagonist, but this time investigating
[00:11:59] a crime in exile, please tell us quickly the plot
[00:12:02] of your new novel, well, Inspector
[00:12:05] Morales is in exile in a small
[00:12:09] port near the border with Nicaragua in Costa Rican territory called
[00:12:12] Puerto Solella in Salinas Bay and there one morning he sees
[00:12:16] a four-masted sailboat anchored
[00:12:19] and between him and Doña Sofía, who is his
[00:12:22] collaborator, they find out that this sailboat
[00:12:26] is a high-end tourist sailboat
[00:12:28] and that it was
[00:12:32] previously owned by Generalissimo Trujillo of the Dominican
[00:12:36] Republic when it was called the
[00:12:38] Angelita yacht, which was the floating cabaret of Ramfis
[00:12:42] Trujillo and Porfirio Rubirosa, here
[00:12:45] the story begins and
[00:12:49] then they call him to investigate
[00:12:52] a crime that has been committed on board the
[00:12:55] ship and you. This crime has to do with
[00:12:58] money laundering from the product of the
[00:13:01] bribes they collect from thousands of immigrants
[00:13:05] who passed through Managua airport coming from
[00:13:09] places as far away as Libya,
[00:13:11] Senegal eh, only
[00:13:14] between the year
[00:13:17] 2023
[00:13:19] eh, 300,000 immigrants passed through Managua airport,
[00:13:23] according to the records of the Honduran government,
[00:13:27] who are the ones who saw them cross the Nicaraguan border to the
[00:13:31] Honduran border to the United States, this is what the
[00:13:34] novel is about, that is, the crime
[00:13:38] eh, a crime committed under the
[00:13:41] cover of
[00:13:44] an act of corruption with the
[00:13:47] immigrants, in one part of
[00:13:50] Nicaraguan exiles that like you,
[00:13:53] they no longer live in Nicaragua, they know nothing of what happens
[00:13:57] there and that they always believe that a revolution will break out at
[00:14:01] any moment against the commander and his companion, but that no one
[00:14:05] will move them from where they are,
[00:14:08] not even with a stick of dynamite, end quote,
[00:14:12] do you believe, Sergio, that there is nothing that will move
[00:14:15] the Ortegas from power? Well, I don't believe
[00:14:18] that as much as the character, what he says at the beginning is an
[00:14:22] appreciation. that I
[00:14:25] have and what happens with all exiles,
[00:14:28] no, eh, with all exiles it happens that when
[00:14:32] a firecracker goes off inside a country it immediately seems that a
[00:14:35] real revolution is coming, revolutions are not
[00:14:39] improvised, revolutions or changes, even
[00:14:43] peaceful political changes are
[00:14:47] a process of organization that in
[00:14:49] Nicaragua is not possible now because
[00:14:52] organizing is impossible. That is,
[00:14:55] under the fear, the repression, the imposed silence, the
[00:14:59] persecution,
[00:15:01] but I, obviously within Nicaragua there will be a
[00:15:05] silent resistance, without a doubt, that
[00:15:08] one day will end up
[00:15:12] manifesting itself. Sergio Ramírez, thank you very much for your time and
[00:15:16] good luck with your new book, we have to go to a break when we return, we are going to talk with the
[00:15:20] Venezuelan writer and political analyst Moisés
[00:15:23] Naím, who has just published with the journalist Kiko Toro, a new book
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[00:18:57] Thank you for staying with us, the Venezuelan writer, journalist and political analyst
[00:19:00] Moisés Naím, has just published with journalist
[00:19:04] Kiko Toro a new book.
[00:19:09] Charlatans, there it says that the world is increasingly filled with
[00:19:13] charlatans and gives several recommendations
[00:19:16] on how we can protect ourselves from
[00:19:19] charlatans, let's ask him what it's about.
[00:19:23] Moisés, thank you for being with us, well,
[00:19:26] tell us a little about charlatans,
[00:19:29] in the book you present the cases of 25
[00:19:33] charlatans, most of them contemporary
[00:19:37] and... many of them quite well-known, what do these
[00:19:40] 25 characters in your book have
[00:19:43] in common, that is, how do
[00:19:46] you define a charlatan? It is a person who
[00:19:50] eh pretends to have knowledge, skills, resources,
[00:19:54] capacities that they actually do not have,
[00:19:57] eh, and the big difference between a charlatan, for example, and a
[00:20:00] guy who sets up a scam is that the
[00:20:04] swindler, let's say,
[00:20:08] taking your money, possessions, power,
[00:20:11] etc., this and then disappearing, the charlatan
[00:20:15] no, the charlatan develops a chronic, perpetual,
[00:20:18] deep, emotional relationship with his
[00:20:22] followers, why did you write this book?
[00:20:25] Good question, no, this, this has been traced
[00:20:29] from other books that I have had, no, "The End of Power," "The Revenge of the
[00:20:32] Powerful," what is happening, in all these topics it is
[00:20:35] power, how it... is desired, used, utilized,
[00:20:39] misused and lost, eh,
[00:20:42] so what I have seen is that power there is a
[00:20:46] transfer of power to the traffickers, the...
[00:20:50] eh, charlatans are in their golden age right
[00:20:54] now, why, why are there
[00:20:58] history we saw alchemists, as you say in the
[00:21:01] book, who sold the idea that they could transform materials into
[00:21:05] gold, throughout history, there have always been sellers
[00:21:08] of miracle cures, that is, why do you say that there are more
[00:21:12] charlatans now than before, because the old ones operated at a
[00:21:16] regional level, city level, the
[00:21:19] geographical level. The geographical spectrum in which they were involved
[00:21:23] was always more restricted,
[00:21:26] instead now with social networks, with the Internet and with
[00:21:29] globalization, opening of borders and all the rest,
[00:21:32] charlatans have a much larger field of operations
[00:21:36] eh, and
[00:21:38] they have technological capabilities that are accessible to all of us
[00:21:42] that they use and put at the service of their goal of convincing
[00:21:46] gullible people to go against their own
[00:21:50] interests eh, we have talked about Trump,
[00:21:53] this is very interesting to see how
[00:21:56] Latinos este that
[00:21:59] are being really are
[00:22:03] under threat in the United States, they are
[00:22:06] operating in a way that goes against their
[00:22:10] interests, they are supporting policies, ways of
[00:22:13] acting of the Trump government that go against their
[00:22:16] interests, their own interests, this is a recent example, but... everywhere,
[00:22:20] the essence of the story is that the charlatan makes you think that he has
[00:22:24] things eh that no one else has and that he will put them at your service
[00:22:28] and that if you follow him you will benefit greatly, when in reality
[00:22:31] if you follow him you will lose greatly. Who are the charlatans
[00:22:35] of today? There is a boom of charlatans today, as I already said, because
[00:22:38] these moments are more digital. They are
[00:22:42] viral, if they are digital, as you know, they can quickly go
[00:22:46] viral. If they go viral, borders no longer matter.
[00:22:50] and they transcend, they are international, they are globalized
[00:22:52] and if there is all that, if they are digital,
[00:22:56] viral, international global, they are
[00:23:00] scalable, they can grow, so
[00:23:03] that is the way to see what is
[00:23:06] happening in the world, and you ask me why, what
[00:23:09] contemporary examples do we have, well, the sellers of cryptos
[00:23:13] and tokens
[00:23:15] the
[00:23:19] eh. financial use
[00:23:24] technology and even
[00:23:26] artificial intelligence now opens
[00:23:29] unprecedented possibilities for charlatans,
[00:23:32] but you yourself say in the book that not all cryptocurrency sellers are charlatans, some
[00:23:36] are, others are not, of course, that is
[00:23:39] clear, but I am referring to those who have already collapsed,
[00:23:43] we have several who are in jail, others, that
[00:23:46] is, we already know who
[00:23:50] the charlatans are and why they fell, why did you include
[00:23:54] Donald Trump among your 25 charlatans,
[00:23:57] because one could say, well, he is a man who promises things he
[00:24:01] does not deliver, but those who support Trump would tell you that almost all
[00:24:05] politicians promise things they do not deliver, why him?
[00:24:09] He participates in what I have called in one of my books "The Revenge of the Powerful" the
[00:24:13] three P's, it is becoming common in
[00:24:17] the world of international politics to
[00:24:20] use three P's to operate,
[00:24:23] the first is populism, polarization
[00:24:27] and post-truth, the three P's. Populism has always
[00:24:30] existed and has nothing new, however it is now boosted by the
[00:24:33] great, the second P, polarization,
[00:24:37] where all those who do not share exactly my ideas
[00:24:40] become my mortal enemies, they are not compatriots who have a
[00:24:44] different way of seeing things, but rather unacceptable beings, and not
[00:24:48] even tolerable their political presence or their
[00:24:51] legitimacy, etc., and all that, of course, as we have
[00:24:55] already discussed, is boosted, amplified by the
[00:24:58] fact, by post-truth, we are living in an era in which
[00:25:02] we don't know whom to believe, what to believe, who said what, how much,
[00:25:06] how much conflict of interest there is, how it is discovered
[00:25:10] that things are fraudulent and how they are a deception
[00:25:13] or are they really a contribution
[00:25:16] to society, friendship, family, finally? Finally, Moisés, how can
[00:25:20] we protect ourselves against charlatans, is there
[00:25:23] an antidote for charlatans,
[00:25:26] first is to regain the idea that if what they are
[00:25:30] proposing to you is too good to be true, there must
[00:25:32] be something strange, you have to be more skeptical,
[00:25:35] careful,
[00:25:37] check things, have critical analysis,
[00:25:41] you have to respect
[00:25:43] critical analysis, not simply believe in the charisma,
[00:25:46] attractiveness, table, etc. that charlatans
[00:25:50] have, second, a very
[00:25:53] important protection for people, for individuals not to fall for a charlatan is
[00:25:57] family, the main protector
[00:25:59] and... this
[00:26:02] against charlatans are
[00:26:06] family members, why? Because
[00:26:08] they are capable of telling you things that others won't,
[00:26:12] because they know you, because they can still discern the
[00:26:15] trick from the truth, etc., but family
[00:26:19] gives you a contribution, it gives you
[00:26:22] a possibility to protect yourself from someone who
[00:26:25] is lying to you to make you do things that go against your
[00:26:28] interests. Moisés Naím, thank you very much for your time and good
[00:26:31] luck with your new book Charlatans, we have to go to a break when
[00:26:35] we return my reflection on some of the things we talked about today, don't
[00:26:39] go, we'll be
[00:26:40] back.
[00:26:48] right here, this is our planet, this is our home, water
[00:26:52] has the ability to absorb, to
[00:26:55] cleanse, to migrate, move, that's nature's
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