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[00:00:48] because as you did in
[00:01:08] and the city of Pereira, one of the most affected by
[00:01:12] this earthquake. John Milton Quintero, a resident of that
[00:01:15] city, is there to
[00:01:18] tell us how the hours after this
[00:01:22] strong earthquake were experienced. Milton,
[00:01:26] thank you for your time. I want you to tell me
[00:01:30] how these past
[00:01:33] hours have been for you after
[00:01:37] this tragedy.
[00:01:38] Go ahead.
[00:01:41] Rey, greetings to you and all the viewers. Let's say the experience has
[00:01:44] been quite catastrophic. In spite
[00:01:47] of everything, I was very lucky.
[00:01:51] movements, you are showing them on Fortunately, all my loved ones,
[00:01:53] including myself, are safe.
[00:01:57] However, the residence where I live, which has been habitable for
[00:02:01] about four to five months, I won't be able to occupy
[00:02:04] it because it suffered significant damage.
[00:02:07] We were obviously forced to evacuate during that
[00:02:11] earthquake, which I felt lasted really about
[00:02:15] two minutes, I would say, but it felt like 15 or 20
[00:02:18] minutes. It was a sense of helplessness, especially
[00:02:21] because in Pereira we are relatively
[00:02:25] accustomed to tremors, mild tremors and so on.
[00:02:28] When that tremor started, I thought it was just another one,
[00:02:32] but when it continued, when it didn't stop, when
[00:02:36] things in the apartment started,
[00:02:39] let's say, falling, when the walls started to crack and when the movement didn't stop,
[00:02:43] well, those were seconds of panic that,
[00:02:46] specifically with the recent
[00:02:49] the data, ready for whatever experience in Venezuela, I thought we were going to experience, that I, personally,
[00:02:52] was going to experience a
[00:02:55] similar situation. The apartment was quite
[00:02:58] damaged.
[00:03:01] throughout beta, this is one of I insist that luckily my mother and I, well, we
[00:03:05] got out well, thank God.
[00:03:08] However, Pereira is experiencing a very complex situation, especially in neighborhoods
[00:03:12] like Centenario, 30 de Agosto Avenue,
[00:03:16] street, they've brought in a Circumvalar Avenue. Many buildings have suffered
[00:03:19] and many buildings are on the verge of collapse,
[00:03:21] Rey.
[00:03:25] You're talking about the complex situation that Pereira
[00:03:29] is experiencing, of course. One of the most
[00:03:32] affected, but tell me about that complex situation you're referring
[00:03:35] to, and I ask you, it might be a very simple question,
[00:03:39] but you're there, you're seeing it minute by
[00:03:42] minute, hour after
[00:03:45] reference point to find out what's hour, everything that's happening. What is the biggest concern?
[00:03:48] Where are people going? How are they
[00:03:52] feeling it? In short, everything, everything, and
[00:03:55] for you, of course, what's next? Well,
[00:03:59] the aftershocks, I think. I think they have been one of the main fears. This
[00:04:02] morning in Pereira there was an aftershock of
[00:04:05] 4.7 at 11:30 in the morning.
[00:04:09] Indeed, there are buildings that are about to collapse, there are many that already
[00:04:12] did in Bolivar Square, for example, I think that has been one of the
[00:04:16] main fears, Rey, the aftershocks and
[00:04:20] especially that help arrives quickly. In Pereira, as I have seen
[00:04:23] in communications from the mayor's office,
[00:04:25] you to answer me after several collection centers have been set up,
[00:04:28] one of them is in Consotada, which is in the Cuba
[00:04:31] neighborhood, there are others that have been installed in the main coliseum, there
[00:04:35] are also shelter centers where people have been able to go,
[00:04:39] located in Cuba, in the Main Coliseum
[00:04:42] as well, that is, there are several points that have been
[00:04:45] set up so that people can obviously go to
[00:04:49] receive help. However, to answer your question, Rey, one of the main
[00:04:54] is happening in your city, in fears are the possible aftershocks and obviously the buildings that
[00:04:57] were quite damaged. There are many people still under the rubble
[00:05:01] and the idea is that obviously the authorities, who
[00:05:05] are doing an excellent job, can continue with this
[00:05:08] help, but
[00:05:11] society. What mainly the issue of aftershocks. It has been quite
[00:05:15] frightening for the
[00:05:16] community.
[00:05:19] What's next for you,
[00:05:20] Milton?
[00:05:25] Rey, I'm sorry, I didn't hear you. Can you repeat, please?
[00:05:27] favor,
[00:05:30] Yes, I was asking you first, what's next for you, and
[00:05:34] of course, a question that always comes up whenever there are
[00:05:38] emergencies of this type, are we ready? And that includes
[00:05:41] all of us, because also, for example, in Mexico and
[00:05:45] other parts, in Venezuela, we just saw it too,
[00:05:48] well, these are places where
[00:05:51] this type of event occurs more and more frequently, and
[00:05:55] the question is also, are we prepared to face
[00:05:59] these emergencies? Rey, I feel that
[00:06:03] we will never be prepared, no matter how much
[00:06:05] training and education is done. I
[00:06:09] experienced the earthquake in the coffee-growing region in 1999. I lived here in
[00:06:13] Pereira, I was born here in Pereira, and
[00:06:16] really, lessons
[00:06:20] are learned in the moment, I think, Rey. So one always talks
[00:06:24] afterwards about the importance of having a family plan, of
[00:06:27] having, for example, at this moment when there
[00:06:31] is no electricity in many areas of the city, when there is no
[00:06:34] access to internet, well, one
[00:06:37] reconfigures those plans. But I feel that
[00:06:41] it will always be different. That earthquake, unlike the one I experienced in
[00:06:45] 1999, was even much harder, it was much
[00:06:48] longer, and I feel that regardless of whether one
[00:06:52] is pedagogically prepared to know what
[00:06:55] to do in this type of circumstances, it will never be
[00:06:58] enough because what you experience at that moment, that is, the
[00:07:03] the screen right now, these are moments of panic where
[00:07:06] indeed many of the things one has learned are not
[00:07:10] applied.
[00:07:14] Absolutely, I completely agree, one is never prepared for this, but
[00:07:18] well, one has to try and prepare for these
[00:07:21] emergencies. Thank you, John Milton
[00:07:24] Quintero, thank you for your presence and your
[00:07:26] time. We will surely
[00:07:30] see and hear each other
[00:07:33] in the coming days. Thank you for being here. That was John
[00:07:36] Milton from Pereira, Colombia, one of the most
[00:07:39] affected cities. Well, the earthquake, the earthquake was the
[00:07:43] strongest with an epicenter in the country since
[00:07:47] at least 1990, according to the United States Geological
[00:07:50] Survey. One of the areas most affected by the earthquake in
[00:07:54] Colombia, as we told you, is Pereira, the
[00:07:57] David, our colleague David from CNN went
[00:08:00] there, to that area, and tells us how he
[00:08:04] saw it and what he
[00:08:06] found.
[00:08:14] the hardest hit areas, and I want to bring you a little bit closer here, because they've just
[00:08:18] started once again in trying
[00:08:20] to actively search for folks within what
[00:08:24] was an apartment building, and you can see it's covered now this entire
[00:08:29] crane, they've had to bring in a fuel truck directly to the
[00:08:32] crane just to keep the operations going, and I was speaking to a
[00:08:36] couple here who have friends that live in this apartment building and
[00:08:39] they say that they were hearing yelling through. about the
[00:08:42] night, and it's for that reason that you have several
[00:08:45] dozen, not only firefighters and first
[00:08:49] responders, but then just locals who have jumped in
[00:08:53] to try to help in some fashion. mean, most don't even have the proper gear to do so, but you
[00:08:57] can see they're using buckets and they're trying to clear as much rubble as
[00:09:00] possible, and they're hoping to get to the areas that they
[00:09:04] believe that those yells are coming from, and and and folks are are
[00:09:07] standing on the sidelines. let me show you just trying to stay out of the way as much
[00:09:11] as possible, but also. so they're taking this in,
[00:09:14] because these are folks that they know, this is their
[00:09:17] community, some of them are are just standing almost in a days with tears
[00:09:21] in their eyes as they're watching this play out, and it's interesting
[00:09:25] as as we got to the first location in this city, mind you, we
[00:09:29] had driven for eight hours from bolota because flights weren't landing anywhere near
[00:09:33] here last night, we went to one location and we thought that
[00:09:37] was the most devastating part of the city, and we've been told at each location,
[00:09:40] no, you need to go to another, you need to go. go check out this location, go see
[00:09:44] this, and that's what brought us here to lasa libertad where
[00:09:48] you can see there is just a continued effort right now to
[00:09:51] try to find whoever may still be alive, mean we're just after
[00:09:55] 24 hours from when this earthquake struck
[00:09:59] and so folks are still incredibly hopeful and yet feeling that
[00:10:02] urgency to try to get to whoever may still
[00:10:05] be alive in in this collapse structure here,
[00:10:09] but again I mean you you just go block after block. within
[00:10:13] this city and you will see lot of the streets are
[00:10:16] just filled with a rubble that have come down from the buildings
[00:10:20] around uh, i was also noticing that they
[00:10:24] uh had on on the... mountain roads that we were coming in on and and these are very windy,
[00:10:28] dark, difficult roads to traverse. you had lot
[00:10:31] of uh basically personnel coming in from the capital, from
[00:10:35] Bogota where we were coming in from, and they were going at really high
[00:10:39] speeds just trying to get with all the equipment and resources they had
[00:10:42] to this location to assist in this effort, because you can see it's
[00:10:46] exhausting, and at this point, I mean the numbers
[00:10:49] suggest 55 or so who
[00:10:53] have died in this city.
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[00:19:18] @reycnn. Well, Honduras, Honduras has Juan
[00:19:21] Orlando Hernández back in his country. The former president returned
[00:19:25] last July 26 after being extradited to the United
[00:19:29] States in 2022 and sentenced in June
[00:19:33] 2024 to 45 years in
[00:19:36] prison for drug trafficking-related crimes.
[00:19:39] His return was possible after President Donald
[00:19:43] Trump granted him a pardon in December 2025,
[00:19:46] considering that he had received a treatment, and
[00:19:49] I quote, very harsh and unfair in the Joe
[00:19:53] Biden administration. But Hernández did not return to close a chapter,
[00:19:57] he returned to open another. Now, he faces
[00:20:00] in Honduras an accusation of alleged money laundering and fraud, according to the
[00:20:04] prosecutor's office, more than 10 million dollars. that were
[00:20:08] diverted to two non-profit organizations between
[00:20:11] 2010 and 2013, when Hernández presided over
[00:20:14] Congress, and he adds that those resources would have been
[00:20:18] used to finance his 2013 presidential
[00:20:22] campaign, something he denies. And there is
[00:20:25] another key detail: Juan
[00:20:29] Orlando Hernández has still not
[00:20:31] gone to trial. Last August 3, an
[00:20:34] organized crime court
[00:20:37] imposed precautionary measures on him, including the
[00:20:40] prohibition from leaving the country and rejected the
[00:20:43] prosecutor's request for him to be provisionally
[00:20:47] detained due to an alleged risk
[00:20:50] of flight. The next step will be on August
[00:20:54] 12, that is, this Wednesday, when the
[00:20:57] initial hearing will be held, in which the
[00:21:00] judge must determine if there is sufficient
[00:21:03] merit for the criminal
[00:21:06] process to advance. And while the prosecutor's office defines its
[00:21:10] investigation, Hernández
[00:21:13] responds with a political accusation, saying that an attempt
[00:21:17] is being made to influence his process
[00:21:20] and attack judicial independence. The former president speaks of
[00:21:24] an alleged interference by the
[00:21:27] radical left.
[00:21:29] Let's listen. about the interference of groups
[00:21:32] with dark agendas and policies of the
[00:21:36] radical left, who, through the manipulation of
[00:21:40] truth, seek to pressure and attack judicial
[00:21:43] independence, weakening the
[00:21:47] constitutional guarantees
[00:21:50] that
[00:21:52] all citizens have.
[00:21:56] Hernández also denied the accusations from the prosecutor's office that
[00:22:00] representatives of the institution had received
[00:22:03] threats during his hearing last Monday.
[00:22:07] Let's listen. The non-existence of
[00:22:10] threats. We absolutely and
[00:22:14] categorically deny that during the development of the hearing any
[00:22:17] type of threat,
[00:22:21] intimidation or coercion
[00:22:24] was uttered against the prosecutor or any
[00:22:28] other official present at that
[00:22:29] hearing.
[00:22:32] Well, and today the prosecutor of
[00:22:35] Honduras is our next
[00:22:37] guest.
[00:22:44] And I welcome Dagoberto
[00:22:48] Aspra Iglesias, the former prosecutor
[00:22:50] general of Honduras. Prosecutor, thank you for being with us in this space. We just
[00:22:53] heard a few minutes ago the former president
[00:22:57] speak and say that he spoke of an alleged
[00:23:00] interference by the radical left to
[00:23:03] manipulate this process. Are there elements
[00:23:07] to support that accusation or is it perhaps
[00:23:11] part of the defense strategy? I don't know, you will tell me,
[00:23:14] prosecutor, go ahead, thank you,
[00:23:17] good evening, Rey, greetings from Tegucigalpa.
[00:23:20] Those are the arguments that Mr. Juan Orlando
[00:23:24] Hernández uses when he cannot control people and
[00:23:27] institutions. He calls us activists, he says we are
[00:23:30] part of the radical left. What he tries to ignore is that we
[00:23:34] are part of this government of the national party, the party to which
[00:23:38] he belongs, which he used to be president of the
[00:23:41] republic, to be president of Congress. However, we
[00:23:45] have the clear responsibility to face these processes with
[00:23:48] greater responsibility, because our obligation is to defend the state of Honduras,
[00:23:52] to defend its heritage. The Attorney General's Office of the Republic is the representative of the
[00:23:56] victim in this case, the state, as
[00:23:58] you pointed out in the preliminary
[00:24:02] part of this interview, more than 10 million dollars were looted, current
[00:24:05] value, because these events occurred more
[00:24:08] or less between 2010 and 2013, where
[00:24:12] a network of foundations, of
[00:24:15] civil organizations of a civil nature, was used to extract
[00:24:19] funds from a secretariat that is oriented towards
[00:24:22] agriculture and livestock. Programs were disguised to favor
[00:24:26] young people and mothers and children
[00:24:29] so that some resource or teaching from the state could
[00:24:33] reach them. That money, the entire
[00:24:36] amount, was drained into political campaigns. It has been
[00:24:40] determined through financial traceability expert reports that
[00:24:44] the money came from those budgets of the Ministry of Agriculture and Livestock and was
[00:24:47] used through that
[00:24:51] network of foundations and was used to pay
[00:24:55] expenses that were from the political campaign of movements controlled by Juan Orlando
[00:24:59] Hernández that are identified as Blue United movements, friends of
[00:25:02] Juan Orlando, another card that they also used
[00:25:06] to be able to call people to be part of
[00:25:10] their ranks. This investigation revealed that the patrimonial
[00:25:13] damage to the state exceeds more than 10 million dollars. We, as
[00:25:16] members of the national party who are in charge of
[00:25:20] different institutions, there are many people
[00:25:23] who we have no commitment to Juan Orlando Hernández. He
[00:25:27] believes that because he was president of Honduras for two consecutive terms,
[00:25:30] having been president of the National Congress, having controlled
[00:25:33] different state organizations of Honduras for more than 20
[00:25:37] years, most of the people have to fear him or
[00:25:40] owe him something. We do not owe Juan Orlando Hernández absolutely anything.
[00:25:44] We are going to assume this responsibility that we have at the head of this institution. Tomorrow
[00:25:48] I will be personally at the initial hearing, where
[00:25:52] we will provide evidence to be able to link this
[00:25:55] gentleman to the process and that the prosecutor's office can exercise the civil
[00:25:59] compensatory action at the appropriate time and recover assets to be able
[00:26:02] to compensate for the patrimonial damage that has been done to the state of
[00:26:04] Honduras.
[00:26:07] Prosecutor, have you received political pressure to
[00:26:11] act against the former president? That's on one hand. You are saying
[00:26:14] that you are supporting this, but others say that there may be
[00:26:18] interests, political interests, and also the
[00:26:22] former president speaks of
[00:26:24] alleged threats. Tell us what happened, I'm sorry to ask
[00:26:28] you three questions at once, but you will tell me. Yes, of course, the
[00:26:31] threats, the threats... We reported them from the Attorney General's Office. The
[00:26:35] three agents of the Attorney General's Office that I appointed for that hearing informed
[00:26:39] me that the hostile attitude of Mr. Juan Orlando Hernández
[00:26:42] materialized in situations that we have
[00:26:45] investigated to be able to have an objective, real criterion of what happened,
[00:26:51] the presentations prior to my interview, he came out
[00:26:54] denying what I had said publicly that my
[00:26:57] prosecuting agents who had been present in the hearing
[00:27:00] had suffered some type of intimidation. threat, I have the conclusions of an independent
[00:27:04] report that was carried out by a criminalistics expert
[00:27:08] and he concludes that there was a high intensity of
[00:27:11] confrontation and intimidation by
[00:27:13] directly singling out the official with the expression
[00:27:17] "I want to look him in the eyes," that is, Mr. Juan Orlando Hernández
[00:27:21] addresses the people from the Public Prosecutor's Office who are leading
[00:27:24] our representation, telling them he asked the judge for
[00:27:27] the floor, the judge granted it to him, an act that we have not
[00:27:31] seen in other hearings, the defendant is granted the floor without
[00:27:35] submitting to the formal declaration he must make
[00:27:39] before the judge, that we cannot ask him questions that do not refer to the facts but
[00:27:42] rather he does it in a discursive way, he says
[00:27:45] that he looks him in the eyes, he tells the people from the Public Prosecutor's Office that he wants to give him
[00:27:49] a lesson and he starts to say, he starts to narrate different
[00:27:52] situations where he talks about activists, he talks about how different
[00:27:56] documents were made, because the Public Prosecutor's Office,
[00:27:59] let me tell you, made a request in the hearing
[00:28:03] requesting that a precautionary measure
[00:28:07] of judicial detention be decreed in a detention
[00:28:10] in a space that we could determine
[00:28:13] that he could have some security, before being extradited he was in the
[00:28:17] special forces police battalion, he was there for approximately
[00:28:20] 2 months and was guarded
[00:28:23] there, we are requesting that this be done for the term
[00:28:27] prior to this hearing because we
[00:28:30] argued and substantiated within a means of proof that was presented
[00:28:34] where there is a profile of who Juan Orlando Hernández is, that there was a risk of
[00:28:37] reiteration, a criminal structure that he was suspected
[00:28:41] of belonging to and for that reason there was a risk of contamination of sources of
[00:28:44] proof, I believe that this strength
[00:28:47] of the request made by the Public Prosecutor's Office was what really
[00:28:51] bothered him because that is recorded
[00:28:54] in the video because there is video and audio of that hearing, we presented a
[00:28:58] means of proof that was elaborated by the policy observatory.
[00:29:02] the anti-corruption where it concludes that Mr. Juan Orlando
[00:29:06] Hernández, how he has reached different positions, what he
[00:29:10] has done, what has been his way of behaving towards the state
[00:29:13] and and with the power he has had, the use of
[00:29:17] resources under discretion, which is why
[00:29:19] we consider that he is indeed part of a criminal structure, that was
[00:29:22] raised in the hearing, I think that bothered him and that's why
[00:29:26] he confronted the members of the Public Prosecutor's Office, that report
[00:29:30] the conclusions are that he uses sustained
[00:29:33] eye contact towards the representatives of the Public Prosecutor's Office, by
[00:29:37] saying, "I want to look you in the eyes," he seeks to break the emotional counterbalance
[00:29:41] of the accuser, in behavioral criminology, this is a non-verbal
[00:29:44] marker of dominance and coercive forcing, the
[00:29:47] turning of shoulders and torso breaking the perpendicularity towards the
[00:29:51] judge's bench, reorienting the body mass frontally and
[00:29:54] defiantly towards the Public Prosecutor's table, demonstrates
[00:29:58] that there is a non-verbal intimidation accompanied by
[00:30:02] masked, disguised phrases, because he usually speaks in a soft
[00:30:05] tone, in a tone as if he is a grandfather, that he is a family
[00:30:09] man, he wants to teach a lesson as an older person, but we know that there are
[00:30:12] veiled threats in those
[00:30:14] phrases,
[00:30:17] Prosecutor, do you guarantee
[00:30:20] then that this process will be based on evidence and not
[00:30:24] on other things, but I ask
[00:30:28] the break, I will have to make a cut, we'll be right back, we are
[00:30:31] talking. Dr. Dagoberto
[00:30:34] Aspra Iglesias, the Attorney General of Honduras,
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