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[00:00:01] to the yoke of the dictatorship and that now you needed to use things that
[00:00:04] you had in your head to bring freedom, and that's when
[00:00:08] you went into
[00:00:09] Ozopo was left and other brothers of exile.
[00:00:12] You achieve, of course, I mean, from the San Isidro movement
[00:00:15] outside of your art,
[00:00:19] as an activist, I think you achieve great moral authority,
[00:00:23] which gives you, I don't know if it's more
[00:00:26] this question, the strength or more guarantees of being
[00:00:30] heard. What do I mean by this? For
[00:00:33] you, these five years have been an investment to
[00:00:37] achieve greater coverage with your
[00:00:40] voice, or has it been a waste of time, or has this
[00:00:43] activism kidnapped you during these 5
[00:00:46] years, because depending on how you look at it, it has given
[00:00:50] you great strength or it has taken it
[00:00:54] against how it is being worked, after away from you. What do you think? First of all,
[00:00:57] during the 5 years I continued doing activism, I continued doing
[00:01:00] art against the dictatorship.
[00:01:04] In fact, there are a lot of my works that range from
[00:01:07] painting to performance and
[00:01:10] gestures, events, public actions
[00:01:15] was sown in with which I continued to be present within Cuban
[00:01:19] society, inside and outside of
[00:01:22] Cuba, the Cuba. They were not five years in vain, although
[00:01:26] indisputably I also understood that the
[00:01:30] presence of the individual, including your vision as an artist,
[00:01:33] activist, cultural or political manager, has
[00:01:37] a force, that is, it is the act of the
[00:01:40] individual and his vision, that sometimes one sees things that people do not
[00:01:44] see, it was important and that is why I decided to
[00:01:48] leave prison. In fact, there is a work in prison that
[00:01:51] is called a charcoal portrait of Schrödinger's
[00:01:54] cat, where I sold my time, where I put
[00:01:57] on the table the value of the time
[00:02:01] invested in the struggle, especially from the exercise of resistance that are prisoners and resist the
[00:02:05] dictatorship in prison, because prison is a design, it is
[00:02:08] designed to fracture your head and fracture your body, and from
[00:02:12] the beginning I always projected the idea of leaving
[00:02:15] healthy, the idea of leaving healthy
[00:02:19] mentally to continue fighting for freedom, and that
[00:02:21] exercise of resistance is an example for the Cuban people, for activists
[00:02:25] who many times do not even want to put in the effort. They want to
[00:02:29] write a lot, talk a lot, but they don't really put their
[00:02:32] skin on the line, and people
[00:02:36] need people, the people of Cuba need those
[00:02:39] examples for them to also put their flesh and put their
[00:02:43] example. If the leaders who at a certain moment assumed the
[00:02:46] society. What responsibility, we were born with empathy to
[00:02:49] amplify the voice of the other, because one has the charisma, one has the tools to
[00:02:53] we coexisted in function of amplify the voices, but it is not only amplifying the voices but also putting your
[00:02:56] skin on the ground and at that moment then, people
[00:03:00] are also capable of sacrificing themselves for you and for their own future,
[00:03:04] so I don't think it was in vain, I think it was an example of resistance, it was an
[00:03:07] example that we came out alive, I came out alive, we were an example of
[00:03:11] friendship because my friends we talked on the phone
[00:03:14] twice a week and they were always there supporting, the works I released, the
[00:03:18] performances, the public interventions I did during these 5 years, my friends reproduced
[00:03:21] them, we even made state security nervous during the 5
[00:03:25] years because we kept producing things despite the prison.
[00:03:29] and it is that term that there
[00:03:33] were imprisoned, and finally the must be resilience, that is, that space from being in the
[00:03:37] worst of places, the place with the least possible mobility, we continue creating and
[00:03:41] of Cuba, I don't believe in freedom, I believe in we continue pushing the Cuban reality and thanks to that, the dictatorship will last a shorter time in
[00:03:45] power.
[00:03:48] It's very important what you said, that's why I told you it has given you great moral
[00:03:52] authority because you don't fall for anything, you were already
[00:03:56] please, Luis Manuel Otero Alcántara accompanies me, there, you faced them, you resisted them and you are
[00:03:59] out. You are not a cardboard
[00:04:02] but it is in the hands of the Cuban people, it is in figure in the resistance,
[00:04:06] you are a figure who has gone precisely through persecution, detention
[00:04:09] and the abuses that have been committed along the way
[00:04:13] to today continue with his voice,
[00:04:16] but you said it, inside
[00:04:19] they try to break you, they try to break you both mentally and
[00:04:23] physically, what, what was the most difficult moment, Luis
[00:04:26] Manuel, in which you saw yourself close
[00:04:30] to breaking, either mentally or
[00:04:33] physically, what was the most difficult moment, what was happening
[00:04:36] to you when you were in
[00:04:39] captivity? First, there is something
[00:04:42] I want to add to the previous question, and that is that right now I leave with an
[00:04:46] experience of suffering that I know what it's like to be in prison,
[00:04:50] and of course the level of empathy increases for political prisoners and especially for
[00:04:54] prisoners who are Cubans who have been
[00:04:57] in that prison for 60
[00:05:00] years. Right now I am going into exile to live the experience of
[00:05:04] exile and to be able to live and to be able to tell you the experience of
[00:05:07] it, but above all, that generates
[00:05:09] be carried out and when the much more empathy about the phenomenon.
[00:05:12] Prison, political prisoner, and I cannot sleep knowing that more than a thousand political
[00:05:16] prisoners were left in Cuba, my brother Michael
[00:05:21] the struggle who are political prisoners were left, because if the dictatorship does not fall, there will continue
[00:05:25] to be political prisoners, so prison also helped me to
[00:05:28] understand suffering from the skin, from the broken
[00:05:31] bone, from suffering, from the anxiety
[00:05:35] that confinement gives you, here I answer
[00:05:39] most difficult moment in prison is all the moments...
[00:05:42] prison for me, for political prison
[00:05:45] had several stages, but living
[00:05:49] away from my son, not being able to see my son's adolescent growth, becoming
[00:05:52] a young man, living away from my daughter who lives in Europe,
[00:05:56] not being able to eat what I wanted, or for
[00:05:59] example, drinking a glass of cold water, the simple act of drinking a glass of cold
[00:06:03] water when you are in a tremendous heat and not being able to drink it
[00:06:06] there, that is an extremely difficult exercise, there
[00:06:10] you also understand the air, you start to value things that you used to
[00:06:13] underestimate, but for you it is normal to drink a glass of cold water, but prison,
[00:06:17] confinement, seeing yourself locked in a cell and you see
[00:06:21] how the place shrinks, how
[00:06:24] anxiety, sadness, depression, all
[00:06:27] these feelings that confinement gives you, imagine that the world
[00:06:31] lived through covid for 2 years and people came out traumatized,
[00:06:35] people who later had therapy and were in their homes
[00:06:38] with their families, with food, watching Netflix, watching whatever they wanted.
[00:06:42] Imagine that in a cell with people you don't
[00:06:46] want to live with, with murderers, with people who have committed the worst crimes
[00:06:49] for 5 years, but that confinement in a cell that is 3 meters by 4
[00:06:53] meters that you cannot move in generates feelings
[00:06:57] that even make you think about suicide at some point,
[00:07:00] and you have to sit down and be responsible
[00:07:04] with your body, responsible with where
[00:07:07] to take the message, especially with the responsibility that
[00:07:10] God, life or the spirits, whatever, gave you to
[00:07:14] be able to save things, to be able to amplify voices, from a work of
[00:07:18] art, change the reality that surrounds
[00:07:22] you, then prison as a
[00:07:24] structure, being locked in a place of 6
[00:07:27] meters, 2 meters, 4 meters, is one of the most
[00:07:31] difficult experiences, I have said it these days, if prison were not
[00:07:34] difficult, it would not be the most
[00:07:38] cruel exercise that human beings impose on other human beings, it would not be the worst of
[00:07:42] punishments. for the worst of crimes in this case, it is imposed on
[00:07:45] us for the simple fact of wanting to change reality and wanting another political
[00:07:49] project, another economic project or wanting eruptions of projects in a single
[00:07:53] country.
[00:07:56] Yes, yes, you say it, you say it well, if not, no, no,
[00:08:00] they wouldn't use it, it's difficult to hear you also say that
[00:08:03] at some point you even considered suicide due to
[00:08:07] that pressure and that depression, it's
[00:08:11] something unimaginable. Well, to see you like this today, well to see you here today
[00:08:14] and hear you like this, I'm going to take a break, Luis Manuel, I'll ask you a
[00:08:18] question and you answer me when we come back from the break.
[00:08:21] A very important struggle, at the time the
[00:08:25] San Isidro movement, I remember covering it
[00:08:27] here, everything indicated that
[00:08:31] it could completely change the history of Cuba,
[00:08:34] no, and suddenly it was dismantled,
[00:08:38] some were forced to flee, of course.
[00:08:42] Others, like you,
[00:08:45] movement has remained just that, a more artistic movement,
[00:08:48] what was missing, what failed
[00:08:51] or why, why couldn't the San Isidro movement
[00:08:55] achieve the goal that
[00:08:58] many thought at the time would be
[00:09:01] achieved, this time it would be achieved, but it was not
[00:09:04] so, I'll hear you when we return, if you
[00:09:08] Cuban dissident, artist now free here in the United States.
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[00:14:58] stability as one of its two mandates, meaning defending us from
[00:15:02] inflation, believes that if it does that, if it makes a
[00:15:06] sharp cut, it would trigger inflation,
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[00:15:17] that is precisely what Powell's Fed
[00:15:20] wants to avoid, Jerome
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[00:15:40] I'm back with Luis Manuel Otero Alcántara, who is with me, a Cuban dissident
[00:15:43] artist now in the United States, in Miami, already in exile,
[00:15:47] in freedom, and I was asking him about the San Isidro movement,
[00:15:51] of course, first to understand that it was seen
[00:15:54] as the great opportunity for the San Isidro movement
[00:15:57] to achieve a goal that has not been achieved to this day,
[00:16:01] which is basically a regime change, what
[00:16:05] was missing, what failed
[00:16:07] them as an opposition, as a movement, Luis Manuel, to
[00:16:11] achieve the objective, because at some point, and I
[00:16:14] say it perhaps personally, but at some point we all believed that history
[00:16:18] this time would be different, and it was not so. What
[00:16:21] do you think failed? First, I don't think anything
[00:16:25] failed. I think that history was different, history
[00:16:29] today is different,
[00:16:32] eh, 5 years have passed and in 5 years young people, Cubans keep going
[00:16:35] out into the streets, they keep protesting. which is a phenomenon that hadn't happened in Cuba 20
[00:16:39] years ago, I believe that the San Isidro movement was a civic movement, a
[00:16:43] cultural movement, a political movement whose
[00:16:47] greatest, whose greatest victory
[00:16:52] the minds of the people, the
[00:16:55] possibility that in their hands lay the freedom of
[00:17:00] San Isidro movement we were
[00:17:03] men, women, young people, artists, cultural managers,
[00:17:06] politicians. who came from walking in the streets, who
[00:17:09] came out of the streets and committed themselves to the people and the people saw that
[00:17:13] commitment learned to be
[00:17:17] more civic, learned to lose fear and that's when
[00:17:20] several things happened, even on the 11th it was the peak of the
[00:17:24] protests, but there were protests for example outside the Ministry of Culture
[00:17:28] like two months, three months before or four, five months before the
[00:17:32] Ministry of July 11th, there was a protest by the GTBIQ
[00:17:35] community in Prado. there was a protest by the
[00:17:39] environmentalists, there were many movements, there are still
[00:17:43] several movements and
[00:17:46] for me the for me the overthrow of the dictatorship in
[00:17:49] Cuba is, was and will be a path, a
[00:17:53] process until we reach the point where people take control of
[00:17:57] their lives, take control above all civic level so that they feel
[00:18:00] that they cannot go out for rice, for beans and for
[00:18:04] electricity, they have to go out to seek the freedoms that are needed and... The San
[00:18:08] Isidro moment was a driver, it was an
[00:18:10] amplifier
[00:18:13] for freedoms, teaching people that we could
[00:18:16] have freedoms, at that moment there were Muslims, there were Catholics, there were Christians,
[00:18:20] there were Babalawos, there were Santeros, there was all kinds of
[00:18:23] ideology, there were even right-wing people who consider themselves left-wing, who consider
[00:18:27] themselves right-wing and all that
[00:18:31] cultural freedoms, we were an example and political freedoms
[00:18:34] we were an example that people learned, we are animals that... we situate ourselves by
[00:18:37] imitation, you suddenly have a way of dressing and
[00:18:41] you implant a certain aesthetic and there are people who will follow
[00:18:44] that, then we used the media,
[00:18:46] social networks that fortunately came at that moment when
[00:18:50] we were being born as a movement, being born
[00:18:54] as a cultural and political family and that amplified our
[00:18:57] voices and many people imitated us, then came
[00:19:00] imitated in the good sense, came November 27, came
[00:19:04] several cultural and political movements that are still alive, who even today
[00:19:08] resist from exile, but exile is also
[00:19:11] part of that Cuba that must be educated in function
[00:19:15] of a common point which is the freedoms
[00:19:19] freedoms, the sum of many freedoms will lead to the
[00:19:23] overthrow of the dictatorship, but I still say that it is a
[00:19:25] process, we have been working for more than 10
[00:19:28] years, there is a peak moment that was on the 11th where people
[00:19:32] saw that cliché that the dictatorship was leaving, it was leaving
[00:19:35] and it will happen of course but...
[00:19:40] the hands of the people, of the 9 million, of the 4 million who are
[00:19:43] outside, it is in the hands of all of us, to overthrow that dictatorship and
[00:19:46] agree with many
[00:19:49] sectors, connect many people, because another thing is to connect
[00:19:53] the people who walk in the streets with the opposition, with the people of culture,
[00:19:56] with intellectuals, all that connection was achieved by San Isidro
[00:20:00] and it is still present within the Cuban reality, San Isidro
[00:20:03] for today continues to be a movement, continues to be a family.
[00:20:07] with interests, of course, in a new struggle which is to survive
[00:20:10] exile, to use the tools of exile to continue
[00:20:14] educating the Cuban people, the Cuban people are civic illiterates,
[00:20:18] we don't know what democracy is, we don't know what freedoms are, we don't know
[00:20:22] why we go out into the street that we go out instinctively
[00:20:25] for electricity, bread, rice, beans,
[00:20:29] eh, and no, we educate and we will continue to educate
[00:20:32] people, the Cuban people inside and outside, what freedoms are, because
[00:20:36] even here in Miami, in exile there are people who don't even know what
[00:20:39] freedoms are, they don't even know what freedom is, well, then
[00:20:43] it's a process, it's a process that will
[00:20:47] time comes for people to be prepared, when the time comes.
[00:20:50] it will happen, it could be in a month, it could be in 15 days, it could be in a year, it could be in
[00:20:54] 2 years, I have faith that we will continue working and work is what will
[00:20:58] truly solve the problem of getting rid of the
[00:21:00] dictatorship.
[00:21:03] And apart from that, Luis Manuel, with this I'm going to another break and you answer me when I come
[00:21:07] back, apart from the San Isidro movement, there is a
[00:21:10] movement, of course, that we cannot fail to mention, and that is the pressure that
[00:21:14] the United States is exerting and how it is doing it, especially with the
[00:21:17] energy issue, and what do you think about it? Do you agree with this
[00:21:21] strategy, do you think it works, should they continue, is it
[00:21:24] completely wrong, do you support it? Tell me what you think
[00:21:28] about what President Donald Trump's government is doing
[00:21:31] regarding the regime, of course, the
[00:21:35] participation of Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State, who knows the
[00:21:38] structure best, but tell me if you support it or not, or if you are
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[00:25:16] Luis Manuel Otero Alcántara, Cuban dissident and artist who is with me. And I was telling
[00:25:20] him, what do you say about the pressure that the government of the President of the United
[00:25:24] States, Donald Trump, is exerting, especially with the energy issue, do you support these
[00:25:27] actions, do you think they will work or not, what do
[00:25:30] you say? First of all, the Cuban
[00:25:34] dictatorship has been sustained for 70 years thanks to the support of
[00:25:37] powerful countries like the Soviet Union, then
[00:25:40] Venezuela, Nicaragua, it has always been sustained by that.
[00:25:43] The Cuban dictatorship has never, never proposed anything economically in Cuba and it is a
[00:25:47] parasite of the communist countries, the countries
[00:25:51] in which they are infiltrated. Therefore,
[00:25:55] as we saw, the powers need,
[00:25:58] they have supported it, I believe that a power also needs to support us, the people,
[00:26:02] to get those people out of power.
[00:26:05] I'm going to tell you something, when I was in Guanajay, when people saw the oil
[00:26:09] ship that came in, they felt
[00:26:11] defrauded, they said, an oil ship cannot come in, the Cuban
[00:26:15] dictatorship cannot receive oxygen, so people want something to happen
[00:26:19] now. The sad thing is how long it has been delayed.
[00:26:22] Right now in Cuba there is a genocide, people in Cuba right now have no water to
[00:26:26] drink, literally, people in Cuba right now have no air to
[00:26:29] breathe, the streets are full of garbage. And
[00:26:33] the other thing is that if Cuba now receives oil, receives money, they will not
[00:26:37] stop being a dictatorship, they will not stop repressing the people, they will not stop
[00:26:41] abusing people. People already want to get rid of the dictatorship there,
[00:26:44] Cuba can bring money, they will continue to be abusers and people will want a
[00:26:48] change, so what I do believe is that we need total
[00:26:51] help from international institutions, from the European Union,
[00:26:55] from the Americans to end that dictatorship, that's what I believe,
[00:26:59] sanctions, intervention, surgical, to get those people out.
[00:27:02] to be able to support us, the opponents, to return to Cuba,
[00:27:06] some boats, some ships, to return, to put an end to
[00:27:09] we need all the international
[00:27:12] support to end the dictatorship. You talk about a government like the
[00:27:16] Mexican one that is currently supporting human
[00:27:19] trafficking through doctors, you say, brother, that's
[00:27:22] wrong, the government, the Cuban dictatorship is
[00:27:25] abusing the Cuban
[00:27:26] family.
[00:27:31] Yes, it has been one of the most controversial issues that has arisen
[00:27:35] internationally with the government
[00:27:37] of Andrés Manuel López Obrador and continuing with the
[00:27:40] situation there in Mexico, the issue of Cuban doctors. Of course, there are missions in
[00:27:44] other parts, there were also missions in Venezuela, but the Mexican
[00:27:48] government's took on particular importance. Well,
[00:27:52] Luis, Luis Manuel, time has flown by, but I would like to stay in touch with you, that
[00:27:55] we continue to have these sessions as time goes on to continue
[00:27:59] recording history, as we have always done, of what happens with
[00:28:03] the Cuban people and well, welcome, welcome to the United
[00:28:06] States, Luis Manuel, thank you, we are connected,
[00:28:09] family, and we must continue working against the dictatorship, which is little, if we truly
[00:28:13] connect and continue working, I believe in work, I don't believe in the faith that a divine person
[00:28:17] will come and save us, I believe in work and I believe in sacrifice
[00:28:20] and they will leave, they will leave power and we will build a democracy for
[00:28:24] Cuba to be a beautiful and prosperous country, we are super connected and grateful,
[00:28:27] family.
[00:28:30] Thank you, Luis Manuel, Luis Manuel Lotero Alcántara. Cuban dissident and artist, now in
[00:28:34] exile here in the United States in Miami, I'm going to take a break, I'll be back.
[00:28:58] Water has the ability to absorb, to
[00:29:01] cleanse, to min. a great move, that's nature's
[00:29:04] magic, to see sight like
[00:29:07] this gives you such incredible
[00:29:09] hope. When you put your mask on and you get
[00:29:13] into the water, you just have this whole world open up to
[00:29:16] you. The ocean is still the greatest
[00:29:20] part of this planet. It's time to start giving
[00:29:23] back. You can wake up every morning with one single
[00:29:27] priority and save the most important place on Earth. Every one of us
[00:29:30] can create change and
[00:29:42] It was important to cover the trial of Genaro García Luna because this
[00:29:45] is the highest-ranking former public official in Mexico
[00:29:48] to be tried and
[00:29:51] convicted in the United States for
[00:29:54] drug trafficking. It was incredible to be there,
[00:29:58] to hear these testimonies and to be
[00:30:01] able to learn exactly how
[00:30:04] drug cartels operate and how they can operate.
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