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[00:00:00] and they named it after their neighborhood, San Isidro, that's where it comes from. But understand
[00:00:03] this, the origin is artistic, no,
[00:00:07] initially, it's it's a cry
[00:00:10] for artistic freedom. The San
[00:00:13] Isidro movement, not political at that
[00:00:16] you to leave the country. How do you interpret it, which time, is against this decree, of
[00:00:19] with the opposition, with the people of course, the demonstration is in in the sense of
[00:00:22] Undoubtedly, what disobedience against this decree,
[00:00:25] this law, no, at that time it was a decree, now a
[00:00:28] law. Alcántara was already famous at that time for his
[00:00:32] performance acts, he spoke about the project in
[00:00:35] 2018.
[00:00:39] We want to achieve a project, a unique
[00:00:42] project where we can talk about culture, we can talk about contemporary
[00:00:45] Cuban reality
[00:00:47] without it being seen
[00:00:51] as a threat to national security.
[00:00:55] But well, it seems that things were not
[00:00:59] interpreted this way by the
[00:01:01] people have. The people who work in regime, it gained special notoriety after a song was
[00:01:04] released in February 2021. The title
[00:01:08] turned around a slogan that the
[00:01:10] be carried out and when the Cuban regime had been using since 1960, "Homeland or
[00:01:12] Death," no, it's like the motto, the slogan of the
[00:01:16] regime. In the song they turn it into "Homeland and
[00:01:20] Life." In the video clip he appears with the
[00:01:23] acronyms of his movement painted on his chest and a Cuban flag in his
[00:01:27] hands. 10 months later, that...
[00:01:30] song that criticizes of course the lack of freedoms on the island and that
[00:01:34] became an anthem for the historic protests of that
[00:01:37] year won
[00:01:39] question. The two Latin Grammys including
[00:01:42] what was missing, what Song of the Year. In official
[00:01:44] media, he has been called a mercenary, and even
[00:01:48] worse epithets. Mercenary is the
[00:01:51] least of it, but Tero Alcántara sought to
[00:01:54] break with what he called the
[00:01:57] myth. Listen.
[00:02:00] break a little with the myth built during 60 years
[00:02:04] that doing something independent that comes from oneself separate
[00:02:08] from the state, is the devil, is demonized,
[00:02:11] you understand, or it's counter-revolution or you are against the achievements of the
[00:02:14] revolution like health and
[00:02:15] medicine,
[00:02:19] and and all that was, all that was for the
[00:02:21] regime, of course, an old acquaintance of the
[00:02:25] authorities. Even before the
[00:02:28] was to plant in emergence of the movement, they had already detained him. According to him, he has documented it and
[00:02:32] intensely since 2018. They continued
[00:02:35] to detain him, to which illegal searches of his
[00:02:38] home, interception of communications, abuses by the
[00:02:42] authorities in relation to his artistic activism in
[00:02:46] favor of human rights, in short, they persecuted him, so you understand. On July
[00:02:50] 11, 2021, he left his house in San Isidro for a protest
[00:02:54] in progress, he was going to join that protest that was in progress to demand
[00:02:57] freedom, but but he never arrived.
[00:03:13] 5 years later, 5 years later,
[00:03:16] a maximum security prison,
[00:03:18] uh, a closed-door trial for charges
[00:03:22] of contempt and public disorder that he always
[00:03:25] rejected, and a phrase that stuck to his name like a...
[00:03:29] second identity, he said, "I'll die
[00:03:32] here, let them do what they want," he said
[00:03:36] in January 2022 during a hunger and thirst strike also in the
[00:03:39] Guanajay prison. His
[00:03:42] uncle, who brought him the message that the regime offered him freedom in
[00:03:45] exchange for exile,
[00:03:48] amplifier of but at the beginning of 2023 he accepted exile as the only way to be able to
[00:03:51] continue his work as an artist and activist, after having
[00:03:54] endured all the repression, according to a message published in July on his
[00:03:59] What Facebook account, there would still be three years until his arrival in Miami, to receive a special
[00:04:02] permit from the United States government. The Cuban regime never
[00:04:06] commented on Tero Alcántara's case, but the United
[00:04:10] States was already preparing the ground and yet,
[00:04:13] well, this is a reality today, tonight
[00:04:16] he is here, he is in the United States,
[00:04:19] he is free,
[00:04:22] exiled, alive. He spent
[00:04:26] 5 years, 5 years learning from within
[00:04:29] a cell where they never managed
[00:04:32] to distance him from art and now, now he
[00:04:35] is here to talk, to talk with me. I'm going to give him a
[00:04:42] the prison, and that's that term welcome,
[00:04:44] and the welcome is for Luis Manuel Lotero Alcántara, Cuban
[00:04:48] dissident and artist or artist and Cuban
[00:04:51] dissident, I don't know which, I don't know what order Luis Manuel
[00:04:55] gives to these words, but both things are
[00:04:58] a reality. Welcome, Manuel. Thank you, no, no, thank
[00:05:02] you for the invitation and for amplifying our
[00:05:04] voices.
[00:05:08] please. It's Luis Manuel Otero Alcántara who Hey, Luis Manuel, 5 years later, today you are here, eh,
[00:05:12] and and... and I ask you
[00:05:15] if it is a forced
[00:05:17] exile, that is,
[00:05:20] uh, it's not that you achieved
[00:05:23] freedom, but that they forced
[00:05:29] of the two is the version you feel
[00:05:32] you are living today?
[00:05:35] I am living is an exile, a banishment, because
[00:05:39] when I left, when the...
[00:05:42] sanction that the regime imposed on me was fulfilled, which is a totally arbitrary
[00:05:45] sanction, the regime made it clear to me that I would not walk on
[00:05:49] the streets in Cuba, that the only option was to remain in
[00:05:52] prison or that exile,
[00:05:55] that banishment. And at that moment I could have made the decision to
[00:05:58] remain in prison,
[00:06:01] but I felt that I had things to
[00:06:04] say, things to contribute to the reality of Cuba from this
[00:06:08] new freedom. Today in Cuba, the levels of influence that
[00:06:13] social media, the influencers, is is giant,
[00:06:17] and I felt that that imprisoned body had already
[00:06:20] demonstrated enough resistance to
[00:06:22] prison, to the yoke of the dictatorship, and
[00:06:26] that I needed to use things that I had in my head to contribute to
[00:06:30] freedom, and that's when this
[00:06:33] banishment
[00:06:34] came about.
[00:06:38] You achieve, of course, I say since the San
[00:06:41] Isidro movement. Beyond your art, yes, as an
[00:06:44] activist, I think you achieve great moral authority,
[00:06:48] uh, uh, that gives you, I don't know if more
[00:06:51] strength or more guarantees of being
[00:06:55] heard. What do I mean by this? For
[00:06:59] you, these five years have been an investment to
[00:07:02] achieve greater coverage with your
[00:07:05] voice, or has it been a waste of time, or have they
[00:07:08] kidnapped this activism during these 5 years? Because
[00:07:13] depending on how you look at it, it has given
[00:07:15] you great strength or
[00:07:19] it has taken it away, no? What do you think? No, first of
[00:07:22] all, during the 5 years I continued doing activism, I continued making
[00:07:25] art, eh, in defiance of the dictatorship,
[00:07:29] eh, in fact there are many works of mine that range from
[00:07:33] paintings to performance and
[00:07:36] gestures that I, public events, public
[00:07:39] actions with which I continue
[00:07:43] to be present within Cuban society, inside and outside
[00:07:46] Cuba. Eh, they were not five
[00:07:49] years in vain, although
[00:07:51] undeniably I also understood that the
[00:07:55] presence of the individual, including your vision as an artist,
[00:07:59] activist, cultural manager or politician, has a force,
[00:08:02] that is, it is the individual's
[00:08:05] action and his vision, that sometimes you see things that people don't
[00:08:09] see, eh, it was important, and that's why I said. I decided
[00:08:13] to leave prison, in fact there is a work in prison that
[00:08:17] I called "Portrait in charcoal of Schrödinger's
[00:08:20] cat" where I sold my time, where I put
[00:08:23] on the table the value of time
[00:08:26] invested in the struggle, especially from the exercise of resistance
[00:08:30] of being imprisoned and resisting the dictatorship, the prison, because the
[00:08:33] prison is a design, it is designed to fracture your
[00:08:37] mind and fracture your body, and from the beginning I always projected
[00:08:40] the idea of being healthy, the idea of
[00:08:44] getting out healthy mentally to
[00:08:47] continue fighting for freedom, and that exercise of resistance is an
[00:08:49] example for the Cuban people, for activists who often
[00:08:53] don't even want to put themselves out there, they want to write a
[00:08:56] lot, talk a lot, but they don't really put their skin in the
[00:09:00] game, and people need people, the people of Cuba
[00:09:04] need those examples for them to also put
[00:09:07] themselves out there and set an example. If the leaders who at a certain moment
[00:09:11] assume the... were born with empathy to amplify the
[00:09:15] voice of the other, because one has the charisma, one has the tools to amplify
[00:09:19] the voices, but it's not only about amplifying the voices but also putting your skin in
[00:09:22] the game, and and at that moment then, eh, people are also
[00:09:26] capable of sacrificing themselves for you and for their own future. So I don't think
[00:09:30] it was in vain, I think it was an example of resistance, it was an example that
[00:09:33] we came out alive, I came out alive, we were an example of friendship because my
[00:09:37] friends, we talked on the phone, eh, twice a
[00:09:40] week and they were always there supporting the works that I produced, the performances, the
[00:09:44] public interventions that I did during these 5 years, my friends reproduced them,
[00:09:47] we even made the state security nervous, eh, during the 5
[00:09:51] years because we continued to produce things despite
[00:09:54] of resilience that is that
[00:09:57] space from despite being in the
[00:10:00] worst of places, the place with the least possible mobility, we continued to create and
[00:10:04] we continued to push Cuban reality and and thanks to that the dictatorship will last
[00:10:08] one less time in power.
[00:10:10] It
[00:10:13] is very important what you said, that's why I told you it has given you great moral
[00:10:17] authority because you don't fall for anything, you were
[00:10:21] inside, you faced them, you resisted them, and you are.
[00:10:25] And outside, eh, you are not a cardboard
[00:10:28] figure in the resistance,
[00:10:31] you are a figure who has gone precisely through persecution,
[00:10:35] detention, and the abuses that may have been committed along the way
[00:10:39] to continue today with your voice,
[00:10:41] but you said it, inside
[00:10:44] they seek to break you, they seek to break you both mentally and
[00:10:48] physically, what, what was the most difficult moment, Luis
[00:10:52] Manuel, in which you saw yourself
[00:10:55] close to breaking, either mentally or
[00:10:58] physically, what was the most difficult moment, what was
[00:11:01] happening to you when you were in
[00:11:04] captivity? First, there is a, uh, the
[00:11:08] previous question, I want to add something, that right now I come out with an
[00:11:12] experience of suffering that I know what it's like to be
[00:11:15] imprisoned, and of course the level of empathy increases for
[00:11:19] political prisoners and especially for prisoners, eh, who are the
[00:11:23] Cubans who have been eh eh 60 years in that
[00:11:26] prison. Right now I'm coming out to this exile to live the experience of exile and to be able to
[00:11:30] live and be able to tell from my experience, but above all that
[00:11:34] generates much more empathy eh about the
[00:11:37] phenomenon of political prisoner prison, and I can't sleep
[00:11:41] knowing that more than a thousand political prisoners remained in Cuba,
[00:11:44] my brother Michael Osopo remained and other brothers of the struggle who are political
[00:11:48] prisoners remained, because if the dictatorship does not fall, there will continue to be political
[00:11:51] prisoners. So prison also helped me to understand their
[00:11:55] suffering from the skin, from the broken bone, from
[00:11:58] the suffering, from the anxiety that confinement gives you. Here
[00:12:02] I answer this
[00:12:04] most difficult moment in prison is all the moments. Prison for
[00:12:08] me, for political
[00:12:09] prison,
[00:12:12] eh, had several stages, but living away from my son, not being able to see
[00:12:16] his adolescent growth, becoming a young man, eh,
[00:12:19] living away from my daughter who lives in Europe, eh, not being able to
[00:12:22] eat what I wanted or... for example, drinking a glass of
[00:12:26] cold water, the simple fact of drinking a glass of cold water when you are
[00:12:29] tremendously hot and you can't drink it there, that is an extremely
[00:12:33] difficult exercise. There you understand, you also start to give
[00:12:37] value to things that you used to underestimate but for you were normal, like drinking
[00:12:41] a glass of cold water, but prison, confinement, seeing
[00:12:44] yourself locked in a cell and you see how the place
[00:12:47] shrinks, how anxiety, sadness,
[00:12:51] depression, eh all these feelings that confinement gives you.
[00:12:55] Imagine that the world lived COVID for 2 years and
[00:12:59] people came out traumatized, people who later had to go to therapy and were in their
[00:13:02] homes, eh, with their family, with food, watching
[00:13:06] Netflix, watching whatever they wanted. Imagine that in a
[00:13:09] cell with people you don't want to live with, with murderers, with people who have
[00:13:13] committed the worst crimes for 5 years, but just the confinement
[00:13:17] in a cell that is 3 meters by 4 meters, that you can't
[00:13:20] move, generates feelings that you even try
[00:13:23] at some point, this crosses your mind, suicide, and you have to
[00:13:27] sit down and be responsible with your body, responsible
[00:13:31] with, eh, where to take the message, especially
[00:13:35] with, with, with the responsibility that God gave you, life or the spirits or whatever,
[00:13:38] of being able to save things, of being able to amplify voices
[00:13:42] through a work of art, change the, change the
[00:13:46] reality that surrounds you. So,
[00:13:49] prison as a structure, being locked in a place of 6
[00:13:53] meters by 2 meters, because 4 meters is one of the most
[00:13:57] difficult experiences. I have said these days, if prison were not difficult, it would
[00:14:00] not be the cruelest
[00:14:03] exercise that one human being imposes on another human being, it would not be the worst
[00:14:07] punishment for the worst crimes. In this case, they
[00:14:10] imposed it on us for the simple fact of wanting to change reality and wanting another
[00:14:14] political project, another economic project or wanting to see options of projects
[00:14:18] in a single country.
[00:14:21] Yes, yes, you say it, you say it well, if not, if not
[00:14:25] they wouldn't use it. It's difficult to hear you also say that at
[00:14:29] some point you even considered suicide because of that
[00:14:32] pressure and that depression. Eh, it's
[00:14:36] it's something unimaginable. Well, to see you like this today, well, to hear
[00:14:40] you like this today. I'm going to take a break, Luis Manuel, and I'll ask you a question and
[00:14:44] you answer me after the break, eh, a very important
[00:14:47] struggle at that time, the San Isidro movement.
[00:14:51] I remember covering it here, eh,
[00:14:55] everything indicated that it could completely change the
[00:14:58] history of Cuba, no, and suddenly it was
[00:15:02] dismantled, they were forced to leave, of
[00:15:06] course, some fleeing, others
[00:15:08] like you imprisoned, and and finally the movement has remained as
[00:15:12] that, as just an artistic movement. What was missing,
[00:15:15] what failed or why,
[00:15:19] why couldn't the San Isidro movement achieve the objective
[00:15:22] that many? At that time, it was going to
[00:15:26] be achieved, this time it was going to be achieved, but it was not
[00:15:30] so. I'll hear you when we return, if you
[00:15:33] accompanies me, Cuban dissident, artist now in freedom here
[00:15:37] in the United States in Miami, Florida.
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[00:22:05] I'm back with Luis Manuel Lotero Alcántara who joins me, Cuban dissident
[00:22:09] artist now in the United States in Miami, eh, already
[00:22:12] in exile, in freedom, and I was asking him about the San
[00:22:16] Isidro movement, of course, eh, first to understand that it was seen
[00:22:20] as the great opportunity for the San Isidro movement to
[00:22:24] achieve an objective that to this day has not been achieved, which is basically a change
[00:22:28] of regime, eh,
[00:22:32] failed as an opposition, as a movement, Luis
[00:22:35] Manuel, to achieve the objective? Because at some
[00:22:39] point, and I say this perhaps personally, but at some point
[00:22:43] we all believed that history would be different this time, and it was not so.
[00:22:46] What do you think failed?
[00:22:50] But I don't think anything failed, I think history was
[00:22:53] different, history is different today,
[00:22:57] eh, five years have passed and in 5 years young people, Cubans
[00:23:00] continue to take to the streets, continue to protest, it's a phenomenon that in Cuba had not
[00:23:04] happened 20 years ago. I believe that the San
[00:23:07] Isidro movement was a civic movement, a cultural movement, a political
[00:23:10] movement that Cuba's greatest, whose greatest
[00:23:14] victory
[00:23:18] people's minds
[00:23:20] the possibility that in their hands was the freedom of
[00:23:23] Cuba, eh, San Isidro, we were
[00:23:26] eh men, women, young people,
[00:23:29] artists, cultural managers, politicians who came
[00:23:33] from, who walked in the streets, who came out of the streets and
[00:23:36] committed to the people, and the people saw that commitment,
[00:23:40] learned to be more civic, learned to
[00:23:44] lose fear, and that's when several things were seen, including July 11 was not
[00:23:48] the peak of the protest, but there were protests, for example,
[00:23:52] outside the Ministry of Culture like 2 months, 3 months before
[00:23:55] or four or five months before July 11.
[00:23:59] There was a protest by the LGTBIQ community in
[00:24:02] Prado, there was a protest by
[00:24:04] environmentalists, there were many movements, there are still
[00:24:08] several movements and
[00:24:11] for me, the, for me, the overthrow of the dictatorship in
[00:24:14] Cuba is, was and will be a path, a
[00:24:18] process until... the point where people take control of
[00:24:22] their lives, take control, especially at a civic level, so that they feel
[00:24:26] that they cannot go out for rice, for beans and for electricity, they have
[00:24:30] to go out to seek the freedoms that are needed, and the San Isidro movement
[00:24:33] was a promoter, it was an
[00:24:38] freedoms, teaching people that we could
[00:24:42] have freedoms. At that time there were Muslims, there were Catholics, there were Christians,
[00:24:46] there were Babalawos, there were Santeros, there was all kinds of
[00:24:49] ideologies, there were even right-wingers who think they are left-wing, who
[00:24:53] think they are right-wing, and all of us coexisted for the sake of
[00:24:56] cultural freedoms. We were an example, and political freedoms,
[00:24:59] we were an example that people learned. We are animals that function by
[00:25:03] imitation. You suddenly have a way of dressing and
[00:25:06] you establish a certain aesthetic, and there are people who will follow
[00:25:09] that. Then we used the media, social networks,
[00:25:13] which luckily appeared at that time when we
[00:25:16] were being born as a movement, being born as a cultural
[00:25:20] and political family, and that amplified our voices, and
[00:25:23] many people imitated us, then came, they imitated us in the good sense,
[00:25:27] November 27 came, several cultural and political movements
[00:25:31] came that are still alive, that are still resisting from exile today,
[00:25:34] but that exile is also part of that Cuba that needs
[00:25:38] to be educated in function of a common point, which
[00:25:42] is the freedoms of Cuba. I don't believe in freedom, I believe in freedoms,
[00:25:46] the sum of many freedoms will lead to the overthrow of the dictatorship, but...
[00:25:50] it has been said that it is a process, we have been working for more than 10
[00:25:54] years, there was a peak moment which was July 11 where people
[00:25:57] saw that cliché that the dictatorship would leave, it would
[00:26:01] happen of course. But it is in the hands of the Cuban
[00:26:04] people, it is in the hands of the people, the 9 million, the 4 million who
[00:26:08] are outside, it is in the hands of all of us, to overthrow that dictatorship and
[00:26:12] to agree eh many
[00:26:14] sectors, connect many people, because another thing is
[00:26:18] to connect the people who walk in the streets
[00:26:21] culture, with the intellectuals, all that connection was achieved by San Isidro
[00:26:25] and it is still present in Cuban reality, San Isidro
[00:26:29] today is still a movement, it is still a family.
[00:26:32] with interests, of course, in a new struggle, which is to survive the
[00:26:36] exile, use the tools of exile to continue
[00:26:39] educating the people, the Cuban people. We are civically
[00:26:42] illiterate, we don't know what democracy is, we don't know what
[00:26:45] freedoms are, we don't know what it is why we go out into the streets, we
[00:26:49] go out intuitively for electricity, bread, rice,
[00:26:52] beans, eh, and no, we educate and
[00:26:56] we will continue to educate people, the Cuban people inside
[00:26:59] and out, what freedoms are, because even here in Miami, in
[00:27:03] exile, there are people who don't even know what freedoms are, they don't even
[00:27:06] know what freedom is. Well, then it's a process, it's a process that will
[00:27:12] moment comes when people are prepared, when the moment
[00:27:16] comes, it will happen. It could be in a month, it could be in 15 days, it could be in a year, it could
[00:27:19] be in two years. I have faith that we will continue working and work is what will
[00:27:23] truly solve the problem of getting out of the
[00:27:26] dictatorship.
[00:27:28] And, and besides, Luis Manuel, with this I'm going to another break and you answer me.
[00:27:32] Beyond the San Isidro movement, there
[00:27:35] is a movement, of course, that we cannot fail to mention,
[00:27:39] and that is the pressure that the United States is exerting and how it is doing it, especially
[00:27:42] with the energy issue. And what do you think? Do you agree with this
[00:27:46] strategy? Do you think it works? Should they continue? Is it completely
[00:27:50] wrong? Do you support it? Tell me what you think
[00:27:53] about what President Donald Trump's
[00:27:57] with respect to the regime, of course, the
[00:28:00] participation of Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State. Who knows the structure
[00:28:03] best, but tell me if you support it or if you are
[00:28:07] against how it is being worked after the break. Luis Manuel Lotero
[00:28:11] Alcántara, the Cuban dissident
[00:28:14] exile in
[00:28:15] Miami, accompanies me.
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