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[00:06:49] How are we doing? Good evening, it's a pleasure to greet you. I'm Fernando del Rincón, welcome,
[00:06:52] welcome to Conclusiones, thank you for joining me,
[00:06:55] this, this like every night, of course, today
[00:06:59] we continue with this coverage, follow-up, whatever you want
[00:07:02] to call it, the tragedy that occurred in Colombia due to
[00:07:06] this earthquake, which of course still has many
[00:07:09] rescuers, many people with hope
[00:07:13] of rescuing someone who is still alive under the
[00:07:17] rubble, we hope the same, of course, the numbers keep
[00:07:21] changing, uh, the window, the window, look, I'm going to
[00:07:24] tell you something, scientifically, no, let's
[00:07:28] put it this way, scientifically, there is a 72-hour window,
[00:07:32] but in my own experience,
[00:07:36] in the earthquakes I've been in and in more recent ones, for
[00:07:40] example, in Venezuela, there are cases. particular cases in which
[00:07:43] those 72 hours are exceeded, sometimes by much
[00:07:47] more, and people are still found alive,
[00:07:50] and we hope that this will be the case, of
[00:07:53] course, what comes next will be complicated,
[00:07:56] reconstruction, uh, locating all the people who will not
[00:08:00] be able to return to their homes due to structural
[00:08:03] damage, uh, continuing
[00:08:06] to provide follow-up to those
[00:08:10] who are injured in serious
[00:08:13] condition, critical condition, uh, in short, it
[00:08:16] is a titanic
[00:08:20] end, at the moment,
[00:08:22] unfortunately, I have to say, that happens in the news
[00:08:26] cycle, right? Normally when a point is
[00:08:29] reached where it's practically rubble removal,
[00:08:33] uh, other news begins to gain more
[00:08:37] importance, one forgets, uh, but the
[00:08:41] tragedy continues for months, a long time
[00:08:44] sometimes, uh, why? Well, because
[00:08:47] there's much more to do, where do all those
[00:08:51] people who lost their homes go? Where do they go? And let's suppose they are in a temporary shelter, but
[00:08:55] what then? And they have to demolish the building, they have to demolish the
[00:08:59] house, where do they go then? And
[00:09:02] what if they had insurance, didn't have insurance, those injured people
[00:09:05] who will have sequelae, for example, this is a
[00:09:09] task that demands
[00:09:13] a lot, of course, we try to follow
[00:09:17] up over time, open
[00:09:19] spaces, not only for support, for help, but so that
[00:09:23] you can understand the dimension of a tragedy of this type, so we don't take
[00:09:27] our finger off the line, we continue to monitor it, of
[00:09:30] course, I bring you the most recent information then about what
[00:09:34] has happened there in Colombia, let's go on
[00:09:36] with it.
[00:09:49] and coldly these catastrophes are measured in
[00:09:52] numbers, normally eh, at the end of the day one cannot
[00:09:56] forget that these numbers are brothers, sisters,
[00:09:59] parents, children, grandparents, eh,
[00:10:02] etcetera, they are human beings, yes, it is important
[00:10:06] to also bring that sensitivity and not just talk about numbers of
[00:10:09] victims of Monday's earthquake in Colombia. Eh, they are human
[00:10:13] beings who have lost their lives, so far, according to official
[00:10:17] figures, 281,
[00:10:20] 281 people who have died, who have lost their lives, who
[00:10:24] have died in this earthquake, almost 4,000
[00:10:27] injured, imagine that, 400 injured and there are still at least
[00:10:30] 379 people missing,
[00:10:34] these figures are arriving, I tell you, when the so-called
[00:10:37] golden window closes or when it is closing in these hours, the
[00:10:41] golden window that
[00:10:44] I repeat, scientifically, so to speak, or biologically, according
[00:10:48] to the body's resistance, the human being, etcetera, the conditions of being under
[00:10:51] rubble, it would be those 72 hours, that
[00:10:54] golden window is when the best probabilities
[00:10:57] or possibilities of rescuing people who have been trapped are present.
[00:11:12] In Cali, in Cali, rescue teams and volunteers continue to search for
[00:11:15] survivors, as I mentioned at the beginning, but as I
[00:11:19] already told you, after those first 72 hours, the
[00:11:22] response between. let's
[00:11:26] see, between what has been achieved in previous days and this phase becomes
[00:11:30] much more difficult, yes, in several places
[00:11:33] search efforts have already been suspended,
[00:11:36] so the search and rescue stage
[00:11:40] moves on to what I already told you, which is rubble
[00:11:43] removal and possible recovery of bodies, uh,
[00:11:47] these decisions are made according
[00:11:50] to the scenario, the search and rescue efforts
[00:11:54] that have been made in each place, of course some
[00:11:58] will decide to do it earlier, others will take longer,
[00:12:01] depending also on the size of the building, the people
[00:12:05] who lived there, etcetera, each one is handled
[00:12:08] individually, differently, not all can be
[00:12:11] managed in the same way, no, on the other
[00:12:15] hand, I tell you, a second team of rescuers from the United States arrived on Thursday in
[00:12:19] Colombia to support the efforts, the
[00:12:22] USAR ITB team from the Los Angeles Fire Department will
[00:12:26] work together with the USA ONE group and will also conduct
[00:12:29] evaluations of affected structures to determine which ones are
[00:12:33] safe for operations. The deployment of the teams
[00:12:36] was announced by the US State Department. Their mission, according to authorities,
[00:12:40] is to technically support Colombia and help save
[00:12:43] lives, although well, stories of devastation
[00:12:47] abound, there are also some of resistance, resilience,
[00:12:51] like that of this family in Pereira who lost their
[00:12:54] home but managed to save themselves together,
[00:12:57] including their pet. Fernando
[00:13:00] Ramos has this
[00:13:01] testimony for us.
[00:13:05] Don Mario García, 81 years old, has spent several
[00:13:08] nights here. He has nothing. This was his
[00:13:11] home where he had lived for the
[00:13:14] last 10 years. It was five stories and only
[00:13:18] this is left here in Pereira, a story of life and a miracle,
[00:13:22] not only the whole family was saved, but also
[00:13:25] Maki, a pet who is
[00:13:28] also an example of life, because she has survived
[00:13:32] cancer, one of her paws was amputated and now
[00:13:35] she also survived this earthquake, because
[00:13:39] that's our prayer, Don Mario, Maki was
[00:13:42] saved, yes, we were saved, the dog got
[00:13:46] trapped, but we got her out alive, where did she get trapped?
[00:13:49] Up there, on the second floor, I was calling the dog to
[00:13:52] come out and it was shaking like
[00:13:56] a tree in a storm, so
[00:13:59] I was calling it and well, we
[00:14:02] were on the top floor and
[00:14:05] everyone came out, I, I daddy, come out and he
[00:14:09] flew out with me and he got into bed and
[00:14:12] that building that was throwing me to the ground and no,
[00:14:14] there, the dog, when I went down to the
[00:14:18] floor below, I couldn't walk because it was wall to
[00:14:21] wall, when I was going to take two stairs down, I
[00:14:25] didn't make it out because that beam broke.
[00:14:29] Under these rubble there are several vehicles that also
[00:14:33] got trapped, this is already unrecoverable, nobody can
[00:14:36] live here, but all this shows that despite what
[00:14:40] happens in a tragedy like this, the power of
[00:14:43] love, the will to live can do
[00:14:46] anything,
[00:14:48] I want to go to the second floor, waiting for the last one to come down, when the last
[00:14:52] one came down and everything was about to fall, I thought that dad
[00:14:56] had already left, when I was last and I ran down, I said, "Okay, my God, everyone came out, Mom shouted
[00:15:00] at me, "Dad is inside! Dad is inside!" When Mom shouted at me, the building
[00:15:03] was about to collapse, so I saw that Dad was already
[00:15:07] going down the stairs, holding on like that, and the building was
[00:15:11] doing this. When Dad was about a meter from the bottom,
[00:15:14] he froze, and I said, "Dad, come out! Dad, come out, it's going
[00:15:18] to fall!" And he couldn't. So I came from
[00:15:21] outside here, I quickly jumped over and grabbed him
[00:15:25] from here and pulled him out quickly and pulled him outside. As soon
[00:15:29] as I pulled him out of there, the whole building came down at
[00:15:32] once. So the dog was still there, so I
[00:15:36] started looking around to make sure no one was missing, and my mom told me, "The dog is inside! The dog is inside!"
[00:15:40] And I said, "Mom, don't tell me that!" And I immediately threw myself over here, and we
[00:15:44] all threw ourselves into it and started digging to remove the bricks, and we pulled him, we
[00:15:47] pulled him out, no, thank God, when we got him out of here alive, my
[00:15:51] God, it was a blessing for our salvation, that
[00:15:54] little dog, and the paw that she's missing, and the paw that
[00:15:58] I would like to put on her, but it costs a lot of money and we don't have
[00:16:01] anywhere to put it. Well, the story of this humble family
[00:16:05] and their pet Maki is that of many here in the city of Pereira,
[00:16:09] one of the most affected by the earthquake and where the highest
[00:16:12] number of victims have been reported. There is no electricity
[00:16:16] service, no gas, no water in several sectors
[00:16:19] of this city, for CNN, Fernando Ramos, Pereira
[00:16:23] Colombia.
[00:16:27] Thanks to my colleague Fernando Ramos for this story. Look, to
[00:16:30] help, I always tell you, no matter how much
[00:16:34] it is, it's very important to understand. You say, oh, it's very
[00:16:38] little that I have, no, it's a lot when it's added to what we
[00:16:41] can all do, so to help the victims of the earthquake in Colombia,
[00:16:45] please go to
[00:16:48] excuse me, to cn
[00:16:49] e.com slash impacta, there's the
[00:16:53] address, cnn.com slash
[00:16:56] impacta, there you'll find ways
[00:16:59] to donate, especially, you know what, to charitable
[00:17:02] organizations present on the ground safely,
[00:17:04] providing assistance.
[00:17:08] it's cnn.com
[00:17:10] slash cnne.com slash impacta, it's on
[00:17:14] screen, hopefully, hopefully you can join these very
[00:17:17] important aids. Thank
[00:17:19] you very much in advance.
[00:17:28] Excuse me, I'm just getting over a horrible cold, so
[00:17:31] I'm having a little trouble with my throat.
[00:17:36] join me from this moment forward. using
[00:17:38] the hashtag #concludeeg
[00:17:41] your comments on my X account @fdelrin@soyf
[00:17:45] delrincón, I'll explain what it's about, it's about Colombia, yes, it has nothing to do with the
[00:17:49] earthquake because important announcements are also being made amidst this
[00:17:52] earthquake, pay attention. possibilities
[00:18:32] that just a few days ago seemed impossible, I'm talking about the Petro government,
[00:18:35] from a meeting in Panama, the official announced that the
[00:18:39] president of Colombia, Avelardo del Esprieya, has already requested that his
[00:18:43] country join the regional initiative in the fight against what
[00:18:46] they call narcoterrorism.
[00:18:49] CNN requested comments from the Ministry of Defense about the announcement, we are
[00:18:53] waiting for a response, but they also didn't say no,
[00:18:56] uh, the Minister of Defense of Colombia, Jorge Mora, was actually
[00:19:00] present at that meeting. With this decision, Colombia joins
[00:19:04] other countries in the region that gave the green light
[00:19:07] to the northern neighbor, the United States, for coordination
[00:19:11] and in some cases, the action of the military forces. Ecuador is the clearest
[00:19:14] example, right? It's the country that has made it most clear, but also Honduras
[00:19:18] and Guatemala that are heading
[00:19:22] precisely in the same direction, let's do a recap if you
[00:19:25] like of these alliances so you can see how much this collaboration is expanding
[00:19:29] from the United States, from the US government with Latin American
[00:19:32] countries, it's the coalition of the Americas against cartels,
[00:19:35] which is already being referred to as
[00:19:38] A3C, it was announced, do you remember, at a
[00:19:42] meeting that took place here in the United
[00:19:46] the Americas, there were 19 members at that
[00:19:49] time, it carries out joint operations currently in
[00:19:52] Ecuador, which is the first country to operate alongside the United States in its territory,
[00:19:56] it has been in force since March 2026,
[00:20:00] those who have authorized operations are still in process, so
[00:20:03] then Colombia, which has just authorized joint
[00:20:07] military operations, and Honduras,
[00:20:10] which is negotiating the deployment of troops and they say
[00:20:14] it's going well, while Guatemala has already
[00:20:17] requested cooperation, but still denies foreign forces in
[00:20:21] its territory, and from the Panamanian jungle, Hexett
[00:20:25] explained that any group that traffics drugs or threatens
[00:20:28] the United States or its allies will be considered a military
[00:20:32] target, therefore he said that they would deploy the
[00:20:35] same tactics against
[00:20:38] those they use to combat groups they consider terrorists,
[00:20:41] meaning that they will attack them as if they were ISIS
[00:20:45] or al-Qaeda,
[00:20:47] listen.
[00:21:06] Now what does this alliance imply in
[00:21:08] terms of sovereignty,
[00:21:12] no, this,
[00:21:15] of independence but also of dependence in
[00:21:18] defense. effect of the United States
[00:21:22] in the legislative
[00:21:25] sphere, because this has many
[00:21:28] ramifications, yes, there are powers that come from the
[00:21:32] executive to be able to collaborate with
[00:21:35] different countries, in this case the United States, no, this,
[00:21:38] but there are also other variants of those agreements that have to go through
[00:21:42] the legislature and the legislature would have to approve,
[00:21:46] authorize, in short, it is very complex.
[00:21:50] to understand one thing, there is collaboration from the United States from
[00:21:53] a long time ago with Colombia,
[00:21:56] now that there are US
[00:22:00] troops, that is, US soldiers in Colombian
[00:22:03] territory who are going to participate operationally,
[00:22:07] uh, to go, I don't know, after the FARC dissidents,
[00:22:10] to give an example, yes, what does it imply, what
[00:22:14] dependence begins to be generated by
[00:22:17] Colombia,
[00:22:21] the participation of the US government and how
[00:22:24] that can also become an element of
[00:22:27] control, we are having
[00:22:30] success
[00:22:32] precisely with this collaboration, because now we have
[00:22:36] more equipment, different troops, this
[00:22:38] etcetera, what happens if at some
[00:22:42] point due to some disagreement that
[00:22:45] starts to be withdrawn, would Colombia have the same capacity
[00:22:48] only? These are issues that need to be analyzed, we will discuss them with
[00:22:52] my guest, of course, so let's go with
[00:22:55] him,
[00:22:59] a welcome to Luis Alberto Villamarín, retired lieutenant colonel of the
[00:23:03] me, eh, it's always a pleasure to have you, how are you,
[00:23:07] welcome, good evening Fernando, thank you very much for inviting
[00:23:10] me,
[00:23:13] on the contrary, Lieutenant Colonel, it's always a pleasure to have you here on the show, listen,
[00:23:16] uh, let's see, first tell me, do you
[00:23:20] approve, do you think it's a great idea, do you
[00:23:23] think it's necessary for Colombia,
[00:23:26] well, at least for Avelardo del Esprieya's agenda, but
[00:23:29] you, who have precisely experienced the confrontation with armed
[00:23:32] groups outside the law, eh, do you see this as the
[00:23:36] solution? It's part of the solution,
[00:23:40] Fernando, it's necessary because Colombia lost a
[00:23:43] great capacity, the United States was contributing to the
[00:23:47] maintenance of aircraft, satellite intelligence,
[00:23:50] troop training, operational advice,
[00:23:53] and satellite intelligence at the
[00:23:57] the details, and that's why it was possible to eliminate Mono Jojoy,
[00:24:00] Alfonso Cano, and the other leaders of drug trafficking and
[00:24:04] terrorism. We believe that at this moment there is a bit of speculation
[00:24:08] beyond, perhaps Mr. Hexett's words were not the
[00:24:11] most appropriate, because combined operations with United States
[00:24:15] troops are not going to be carried out. The Colombian troops have the
[00:24:19] capacity, what is missing is the equipment that
[00:24:22] was lent to us in previous governments before Petro's,
[00:24:25] but with all the known problems, Petro did was block
[00:24:29] that aid, so in terms of
[00:24:32] whether it's needed, yes, the scope is not what is
[00:24:36] said in the media, because Colombian laws don't
[00:24:39] allow it either, eh, foreign troops could not operate
[00:24:42] here. Exactly. Uh, excuse
[00:24:47] Lieutenant, that's what I was saying at the beginning.
[00:24:51] Operations can happen.
[00:24:53] There are certain
[00:24:55] liberties that the executive can take regarding collaboration, but there are others that have
[00:24:59] to be controlled by the legislative branch. That is, the executive
[00:25:02] cannot say, "Come on, let's collaborate, bring troops, let's
[00:25:06] go to the mountains and fight with the Americans." That's
[00:25:10] impossible. He presents it in a very simplistic way,
[00:25:13] Pitset, and the background is much more complex.
[00:25:16] No, of course, Fernando, let's also look at it from the
[00:25:20] US side. Mr. Trump would not forgive it if the FARC,
[00:25:23] the ELN, or the Gulf Clan killed a soldier who entered here, and
[00:25:27] if they haven't sent ground troops to Iran where there are such
[00:25:31] great interests, that's already global security,
[00:25:34] oil, economy, etcetera, and they don't dare to send them
[00:25:38] for that reason, much less would they do it here and much less
[00:25:40] in a pre-election stage, here we see a media
[00:25:44] and semiotic handling of selling a
[00:25:47] lot of smoke around that and giving
[00:25:51] the appearance of a very large action,
[00:25:54] but neither the United States commits nor would Colombia
[00:25:57] tolerate it. Mr.
[00:25:58] Deraspiella
[00:26:01] uh, that's. I'm going to ask you that and you'll answer me after the
[00:26:05] break, are you 100%
[00:26:08] sure, Lieutenant Colonel, are you 100%
[00:26:11] sure that Avelardo del Espriella would not allow it,
[00:26:15] are you 100% sure, I ask you because of the
[00:26:18] profile and the approach
[00:26:21] and in short, many signs from Avelardo del Espriella
[00:26:25] regarding collaboration with the United States, no, are you sure
[00:26:28] and what would be the consequences of for the first
[00:26:32] time, if Avelardo del Espriella
[00:26:35] were willing, let's say after the break, if you agree, Lieutenant
[00:26:39] Colonel Villamarín is with me, retired Lieutenant Colonel
[00:26:43] of the Colombian army, I'll hear your answer after the
[00:26:45] break.
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[00:30:09] I continue to talk with Luis Alberto Villamarín, retired lieutenant colonel of the Colombian
[00:30:13] army, and I asked him because, for example,
[00:30:17] the Guatemalan government was very blunt, right? In
[00:30:20] terms of, "Okay, there will be collaboration, but there will be no
[00:30:23] foreign troops ever." They settled
[00:30:26] it right away from the Ministry of Defense, I don't know if
[00:30:30] it's due to the occupation of the... urgency that is feasible, it could
[00:30:34] be, they haven't settled it that way, so I ask you if you are
[00:30:37] you are completely sure, Lieutenant Colonel, that that
[00:30:41] is not the only idea that Abelardo de la Espriella has, in what
[00:30:44] sense, we have seen it since the
[00:30:47] campaign and all this time open
[00:30:51] completely to any approach and unprecedented collaboration
[00:30:54] even with the United States, so I don't know
[00:30:58] to doubt that...