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[00:00:02] 220,000 people on
[00:01:11] it may be, so I propose this to you, go to
[00:01:19] the authoritarianism, of
[00:02:25] me, we were talking We are CNN, the world leader in
[00:02:27] news.
[00:02:42] How are you, good evening, it's a pleasure to greet you, I'm Fernando del Rincón, welcome, welcome to
[00:02:46] Conclusiones, thank you for joining me tonight as every
[00:02:49] night, today is Friday, it's Friday and some, some of
[00:02:52] us survived the week, remember, don't throw it away,
[00:02:56] don't throw it away,
[00:02:58] of course, there are testimonies in this weekend is going to be very
[00:03:01] busy, there is breaking news that I'm going to tell you about
[00:03:04] Indonesia, but we're also going to be talking throughout this hour about
[00:03:08] Mexico, there are important
[00:03:10] events that concern us, one has to do with
[00:03:13] the son of former president Andrés Manuel López
[00:03:16] Obrador, Andrés López Beltrán, Andy as he is
[00:03:20] known, the US revokes his visa, sends a letter to
[00:03:23] Trump, in short, I'm not going to give you more details because I'm
[00:03:26] running out of time, the other thing I have about Mexico is this list.
[00:03:30] this list of journalists who publish in the
[00:03:33] morning press conference, specifically Luisa
[00:03:37] María Alcalde, who is the legal
[00:03:41] you a word and after advisor to president Claudia Sheinbaum or of the movement, eh,
[00:03:44] Morena, now
[00:03:47] Claudia, eh, total repudiation by all these journalists, of
[00:03:50] course, in a country where journalists are assassinated
[00:03:53] and exposed with names and surnames in a
[00:03:56] segment or a section that he calls
[00:04:00] the right of
[00:04:01] reply,
[00:04:04] eh, there was no reply for the journalists, obviously, no,
[00:04:08] in short, these are the two topics, but I'm going quickly with this breaking
[00:04:12] journalist and Mexican politician who accompanies news,
[00:04:12] let's go,
[00:04:19] and it's a 7.7 magnitude earthquake in Indonesia,
[00:04:22] 7.7, imagine the intensity of this
[00:04:26] earthquake, eh, a local tsunami alert is issued immediately.
[00:04:30] There are three aftershocks of up to magnitude
[00:04:34] 6.1, that is, the main one was
[00:04:38] 7.7, then there were aftershocks and they reached
[00:04:41] up to 6.1, these are at
[00:04:45] least three aftershocks that have been recorded afterwards, the authorities
[00:04:48] asked to stay away from beaches and rivers and move to
[00:04:52] higher
[00:04:54] of Pereira, and eh what areas, the US Geological Survey estimates that some 500, people
[00:04:58] 500,000 people. may have been exposed to
[00:05:01] strong or severe movements, you
[00:05:04] know that Indonesia has a history of devastating earthquakes, in
[00:05:08] 2004 a 9.1 magnitude earthquake in Sumatra caused
[00:05:12] the death of more than
[00:05:14] the coasts of the Indian Ocean, more than half of the
[00:05:17] victims were in Indonesia, we will be
[00:05:21] closely monitoring the information that is generated regarding
[00:05:25] this earthquake, I repeat, breaking news in Indonesia
[00:05:29] 7.7, there is a tsunami alert and there have already been
[00:05:33] at least three aftershocks, one of them reached
[00:05:36] 6.1, of course, we are following up
[00:05:39] then also on the earthquake that
[00:05:42] occurred in Colombia,
[00:05:52] the official death toll for the 7.4 magnitude earthquake that shook
[00:05:56] western Colombia this Monday slightly increased from 281 that I reported
[00:06:00] yesterday to 288 today
[00:06:03] Friday, according to the national unit for disaster
[00:06:07] risk management, almost 400 people were injured,
[00:06:11] 400 are still missing,
[00:06:13] the earthquake affected hundreds of municipalities in
[00:06:16] 15 departments, for example, in Pereira, where
[00:06:20] the affected have improvised camps with tarps and
[00:06:23] ropes among the trees, while volunteers prepare meals
[00:06:27] over bonfires and such is the case,
[00:06:30] such is the case of Brian Alberto
[00:06:33] Ceballo, he claims that he lost his business, his
[00:06:36] motorcycle, in short and as he himself says, he lost
[00:06:40] everything, the authorities. 66
[00:06:44] buildings completely collapsed, only in
[00:06:47] Pereira, eh, only in Pereira, 66,
[00:06:51] while the need for food grows, of course,
[00:06:54] as I told you yesterday, tents, lanterns, blankets, here
[00:06:57] is where I told you and I underlined it, the
[00:07:01] emergency extends and it will be many months
[00:07:05] in which the affected will have to be attended to, of course, the injured
[00:07:08] too, those people who have nowhere
[00:07:11] to return, the president of Colombia, Abelardo del Espriella, visited
[00:07:15] Pereira and from there he addressed some words,
[00:07:17] listen: I know that the situation is
[00:07:21] apocalyptic, walking through the center of Pereira,
[00:07:25] walking through the city, it breaks one's
[00:07:28] heart, but Colombians are used to
[00:07:31] growing in the midst of adversity and let's say
[00:07:34] that we have never had it easy and
[00:07:38] believe me that this situation will not be too big for us, we are going
[00:07:42] to do everything that needs to be done by the national
[00:07:45] government to rebuild our country and that
[00:07:48] reconstruction we do it together
[00:07:51] and
[00:07:55] also from Pereira thousands of families still hold
[00:07:58] out hope of finding their loved ones among the rubble, the search
[00:08:02] continues for many of them, while others
[00:08:05] try to rebuild their lives after losing
[00:08:09] everything. My colleague Fernando Ramos shows us. Three, three
[00:08:13] different faces of this very hard
[00:08:15] reality. Families maintain
[00:08:18] hope until the last hour, as in the case of Juan
[00:08:22] Felipe Giraldo, who is in one of these hotels in the downtown
[00:08:26] area of Pereira, and they have searched for him, his father has
[00:08:30] remained there with the rescuers, with all the
[00:08:33] staff who are trying to lift tons of
[00:08:36] cement, with living faith and with the hope that he is still
[00:08:40] alive, yes, that's a hotel where all his friends stayed, those
[00:08:43] who came here to sell merchandise, and he
[00:08:47] arrived when, he arrived Monday at 4 in the morning, and what have they
[00:08:51] told him, that there is
[00:08:54] life, that they heard voices, that
[00:08:57] no one has been rescued, in fact, he was going to get married this Saturday or
[00:09:01] Sunday, he was going to get married, yes, and in
[00:09:04] the midst of that tragedy the solidarity of Colombians emerges,
[00:09:07] thousands of volunteers have been day and
[00:09:11] night helping. to be able to rescue people alive from under
[00:09:15] the rubble, others unfortunately who have also
[00:09:17] died, many pets and they do it because
[00:09:21] they really want to
[00:09:23] give some help and bring
[00:09:26] hope to the families, well it's very sad, very
[00:09:30] sad to feel that there is a person under
[00:09:33] some rubble of something and to have
[00:09:37] to be more than 50 to try to be able to get someone
[00:09:41] out, for example. what happened just now, the
[00:09:44] moment of silence, that moment of silence feels very heavy, very
[00:09:47] heavy, because it's knowing, it's thinking that there could be someone who could
[00:09:51] answer you, it's knowing that there could be someone alive that you
[00:09:54] can help, what lesson does this tragedy leave you, I'm doing what
[00:09:58] I would like them to do for me,
[00:10:01] this is an area devastated by the earthquake in the city
[00:10:07] we see are these buildings as they have been left, everything
[00:10:10] came down from... waking up and finding
[00:10:14] the dreams of a lifetime like this, it's very sad, if you understand me, it's sadder
[00:10:18] for the families who are missing, so many people who are lost
[00:10:21] right now and well, thank God we are alive. but
[00:10:25] for you to come to your business and find something like this is
[00:10:28] devastating, there are many people missing, right
[00:10:31] now there are too many people missing, honestly the
[00:10:34] number of people is not known, but if there are too many people
[00:10:37] affected anywhere in the city wherever you walk or
[00:10:41] go you will find this panorama. The
[00:10:44] government has declared an economic emergency to be able to have resources and
[00:10:48] help the people who have been affected in
[00:10:51] Pereira, in Cali, in Manizales, in Buenaventura.
[00:10:57] Meanwhile, international aid continues
[00:10:59] to arrive,
[00:11:03] thanks to Fernando Ramos who presents
[00:11:06] it to us, well, you know how many faces of tragedy
[00:11:10] there are, we wouldn't have space to present them to you, each
[00:11:13] one is particular, each one needs attention, each one has the
[00:11:17] same importance, and that is why I also ask you and I have asked you
[00:11:21] all week that if you have any way to help the victims of the earthquake
[00:11:25] in Colombia, don't think about it, do it, no,
[00:11:28] don't think if it's a lot or a little, help is
[00:11:31] help in whatever quantity and form
[00:11:36] cnne.com,
[00:11:39] slash impact, I repeat it to you, cnne.com slash
[00:11:42] impact, there, there you will find ways to
[00:11:46] donate, but safely,
[00:11:49] yes, this is very important, sometimes you don't know
[00:11:53] who to donate to? donate because
[00:11:56] you have doubts, we have seen so many things, but well, here we
[00:12:00] have done the work for you, there is the information so that
[00:12:04] you can donate safely to charitable organizations that
[00:12:08] are present on the ground, no, which is very important,
[00:12:11] they are also there, so they know the needs firsthand and
[00:12:14] are providing assistance to the affected, so visit it
[00:12:17] it's CNN E.com slash
[00:12:20] impact help, help if you have the time right
[00:12:24] now. Go, no matter how little it is, believe me it's
[00:12:28] a lot for those who need it, let's go with the
[00:12:31] first topic of tonight
[00:12:32] in full,
[00:12:38] so I ask you from this moment on to accompany me using the hashtag #concluvisa, the
[00:12:41] hashtag is #concluvisa, your comments my account on x @soyfdelrincon, that's
[00:12:45] the account on x@soyfdelrincon #concluvisa, that's the
[00:12:49] hashtag, let's see Andrés Manuel López
[00:12:52] Beltrán. as he is known because it also bothers him a lot, but well
[00:12:58] this is how he is known, the vox
[00:13:01] populi is Andy,
[00:13:04] but well he is the son of the former president of Mexico Andrés Manuel López Obrador, well you didn't
[00:13:07] know, so he announced that the United States
[00:13:11] canceled his visa,
[00:13:14] listen, this is not a simple consular process, the matter has become of course
[00:13:18] a political issue in Mexico. in
[00:13:22] particular
[00:13:25] due to the possible connotations
[00:13:28] regarding the relationship with the United States, also, this,
[00:13:32] that's how president
[00:13:34] Claudia Sheinbaum has interpreted it, much
[00:13:37] more Andy, no, of course, López Beltrán
[00:13:41] assures that the decision was made by Secretary of State Marco Rubio and
[00:13:44] Undersecretary Christopher Landau, who is
[00:13:48] a former US Ambassador to Mexico, CNN has
[00:13:50] already consulted the State Department and the Department of Homeland Security. So far they have not given
[00:13:54] us a response, but let's see, the son
[00:13:57] of Andrés Manuel López Obrador, the former president, said that it
[00:14:00] was an unfounded measure, so he sent
[00:14:03] a letter, he sent a three-page letter to
[00:14:06] Donald Trump, he published it on his Instagram account, it is
[00:14:10] directly for President Donald Trump, he
[00:14:13] questions eh, he questions his officials, the
[00:14:17] ones I already mentioned, Landau and Marco
[00:14:20] Rubio, and there are some phrases that are.
[00:14:23] memorable in this letter, no, I don't know
[00:14:27] if he thought the letter would help him in any way, but as
[00:14:30] it is written, believe me it will do nothing but help him,
[00:14:34] no, it's like he goes through different states of mind in this letter, I'm going to
[00:14:38] read part of this letter, fragments of this letter, open quotes,
[00:14:42] it says: this decision is political, rather
[00:14:45] politicking and propagandistic in the
[00:14:48] Hitlerian style, because there is no reason that
[00:14:51] justifies such arrogant behavior, that is one of
[00:14:55] the fragments, imagine that, in the Hitlerian
[00:14:58] style, says eh, Andy,
[00:15:01] well, there's another fragment, open quotes, it says, the fact of
[00:15:05] taking away my visa is nothing more than a crude and perverse villainy by
[00:15:09] these officials and other hawks who are strictly neither
[00:15:12] diplomats nor politicians, close
[00:15:16] quotes, in short, more or less that's the tone
[00:15:20] in different states of mind, López Beltrán assures in the letter
[00:15:24] that... he doesn't care about the prohibition to enter the United
[00:15:27] States, especially in these times that he
[00:15:30] describes, he describes these times in the United States, he says, now
[00:15:34] open quotes, decadent and lamentable.
[00:15:38] hatred, racism, drug addiction,
[00:15:41] family disintegration, social nonconformity and
[00:15:44] sadness, close quotes, those are the times
[00:15:46] that Andrés, Andy, Andrés
[00:15:50] López Beltrán, says are lived in the United States, and he challenges
[00:15:53] President Trump directly asking him if he knew about the
[00:15:57] matter, among other questions he asks
[00:16:01] Donald Trump, so well, the president of
[00:16:03] Mexico, steps up.
[00:16:07] answers a question in her morning press conference
[00:16:10] about this matter well, she gives it a political
[00:16:14] or politicking blow as Andy says,
[00:16:17] listen to her,
[00:16:19] this visa cancellation that they have
[00:16:21] made, they call it politically
[00:16:25] exposed persons,
[00:16:28] it has an essentially
[00:16:30] political meaning,
[00:16:36] because it is not equal for all
[00:16:39] countries, if its meaning
[00:16:41] were
[00:16:45] related to delinquency
[00:16:47] or with some proof of some
[00:16:50] issue
[00:16:53] related to the entry of a citizen to the United
[00:16:55] States,
[00:16:59] no, it's not equal, he says, how would it be
[00:17:02] equal, is the question that I, I heard, no and
[00:17:06] I said. how would it be equal,
[00:17:08] what would be equal, eh,
[00:17:12] for Claudia Sheinbaum, no, how would it be equal, but well, the party also
[00:17:16] reacted, of course, Morena National Regeneration Movement
[00:17:19] that López Obrador founded and of which López Beltrán, his son, was one
[00:17:23] of its leaders, after his father retired,
[00:17:27] Morena says that it rejects what they called the use of
[00:17:30] migratory instruments as mechanisms of
[00:17:33] interference, let's see, look, in reality the United States has
[00:17:37] every right, as Mexico also has, eh, as any
[00:17:40] country, to deny, cancel,
[00:17:44] this, not to allow entry to its territory, that is
[00:17:47] discretionary, that depends on the country and for the
[00:17:51] reasons it wants and for whatever reasons, any country has its
[00:17:54] right, but in the case of this
[00:17:57] profile, the measure has political echoes, of course, he is the son
[00:18:01] of former president Andrés Manuel López Obrador,
[00:18:04] now, here there are two aspects,
[00:18:08] no, is it
[00:18:11] political, as Andrés says, as
[00:18:15] Andy says, as Claudia, the president of
[00:18:18] Mexico, says, or is there something more
[00:18:20] behind it, you understand me,
[00:18:23] no, I don't know, we already asked
[00:18:26] the US government, they have responded to us,
[00:18:30] but we don't know, we don't
[00:18:32] know if there's something more, for now I'm going to tell you one thing, Christopher
[00:18:35] Landau eh, has mocked, let's say
[00:18:39] that, Andy's response and says,
[00:18:43] paraphrasing him, that if they liked this first part, they should prepare
[00:18:47] for the second, what will the second part be, what else
[00:18:50] well, in short, there are
[00:18:53] convenient readings and others that are
[00:18:56] not, but what is the most accurate, we are going to talk to a good
[00:18:59] friend, who is in Mexico and invited me tonight.
[00:19:02] and it's my esteemed Beatriz Pajés, she is a
[00:19:08] journalist, also a Mexican politician, Beatriz, welcome and thank
[00:19:11] you for accepting this invitation, good evening, nice to see you, delighted Fernando, a pleasure
[00:19:15] to greet you,
[00:19:16] likewise Beatriz, two
[00:19:19] interpretations, no, the one that suits Morena,
[00:19:24] Andy, is this is a political issue, not to
[00:19:27] attack the party, the movement, the president, but on the other
[00:19:31] hand the United States usually
[00:19:34] has things. in the closet, there may be an
[00:19:37] investigation against Andy, eh, of López Obrador's
[00:19:40] inner circle, it's something that has also been strongly
[00:19:44] rumored, what's your take on
[00:19:47] this, which is evidently high
[00:19:51] profile, of course Fernando, look, it's undoubtedly a very
[00:19:54] revealing letter, I'm going, if you allow me, from the least
[00:19:56] to the most, first, well, it is, as you just
[00:20:00] said, a badly written, careless
[00:20:03] letter. made with bile, without correct
[00:20:07] syntax, it lacks the style, the
[00:20:11] minimum form that should be used when one
[00:20:14] refers, when addressing a head of state, in this
[00:20:18] case president Trump, second
[00:20:21] he says he speaks, he addresses president Trump with
[00:20:24] respect, but that's the least he does, in
[00:20:28] reality he falls into vulgarities, he throws
[00:20:31] very, very delicate accusations, he tells him that his
[00:20:34] officials are a bunch of hawks who are
[00:20:37] surrounded by gang leaders dedicated to
[00:20:40] spying, harassing, intervening in other governments
[00:20:44] that pay for their political campaigns with the sale
[00:20:47] of weapons. what's more, Fernando, he almost
[00:20:51] nothing against the American people, he says
[00:20:54] that American society is in decline, that families
[00:20:58] are disintegrated, and the letter, third
[00:21:01] point, the letter exposes, I would tell you,
[00:21:04] an Andy López Beltrán completely
[00:21:08] out of touch with reality, he
[00:21:11] believes that because his father was
[00:21:14] president of Mexico, he has the
[00:21:17] hierarchy to demand from the president.
[00:21:20] Trump not only that he give him an explanation of
[00:21:24] why his visa was revoked, but that he
[00:21:27] fire, imagine that, a common
[00:21:30] man, an ordinary citizen who has no
[00:21:34] political office at this time
[00:21:38] within the Mexican government, he
[00:21:40] demands that President Trump fire
[00:21:44] Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Christopher
[00:21:47] Landau, the Undersecretary, for having. made that
[00:21:50] decision, eh Fernando, look, eh, the
[00:21:53] letter has a political undertone,
[00:21:57] of course, it's the portrait, I want to tell you that the most serious thing
[00:22:00] about this is that it's the portrait of the type of
[00:22:03] government that we Mexicans suffer from today, it's a
[00:22:06] reflection of
[00:22:09] the arbitrariness with which Mexico
[00:22:12] is governed today, we are sure that that
[00:22:16] letter could have been if not written, certainly
[00:22:20] only inspired by his father, the
[00:22:23] former president López Obrador, and I'm going to tell you why, because
[00:22:27] if you remember a few months ago, the same
[00:22:30] former president from his retirement, in quotation marks,
[00:22:34] wrote a letter to President Trump
[00:22:37] where he says, more or less, hey,
[00:22:41] you were one person in your first term as
[00:22:43] president, but today you are another, before you and I had
[00:22:47] perfect communication, but...
[00:22:50] It turns out that today you are ill-advised,
[00:22:53] you are surrounded by inexperienced, resentful
[00:22:57] and fanatical people, Fernando, but what you say is
[00:23:00] absolutely yes, the answer that
[00:23:04] Andy López Beltrán is asking for, in some way, the former
[00:23:08] ambassador Christopher Landau already gave it to him, he
[00:23:10] told him: well, very good, in some
[00:23:14] way that's what we can interpret, this, of course, is my
[00:23:17] opinion, he can say, hey well... So soon a
[00:23:21] judge from some New York court will give you the
[00:23:24] answer, because he might give you an answer like the one
[00:23:28] given to Rocha Moya through a very specific
[00:23:31] accusation of being involved in some
[00:23:35] illicit acts, perhaps Andy
[00:23:37] López Beltrán is the type of answer he can
[00:23:40] receive
[00:23:43] and that's where I think the message that
[00:23:47] Landau sends, well,
[00:23:50] puts Morena, Claudia Sheinbaum and
[00:23:54] Andy on even more alert, that
[00:23:57] this letter is really written, well,
[00:24:00] I don't know in what mental state you can be
[00:24:04] to write a letter like that, and besides, President Donald Trump is not going to get involved in
[00:24:08] whether Andy's visa is taken away, for that there is Secretary of State Marco
[00:24:12] Rubio, there are many other officials who are in charge of that and it's not
[00:24:16] Trump, perhaps unaccustomed to what his
[00:24:19] father was, right? who was the one who decided everything personally,
[00:24:22] not here, I mean, here there are officials in charge of all that, Beatriz, I have to go
[00:24:26] to the break, but I'm going to tell
[00:24:31] the break you tell me, because if the scenario is what
[00:24:34] Landau warns about, that a
[00:24:37] second part is coming and that a second part I imagine will be
[00:24:40] legal, I'm trying to link it to something, the possibility
[00:24:44] of and I'm going to tell you the word and you tell me what you think when
[00:24:48] we come back, huachicol?
[00:24:53] with that I tell you everything, you tell me what you think and if you think it
[00:24:56] could be that way, I'll be back, it's Beatriz Pajés,
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[00:27:03] I'm back with Beatrice Pajez,
[00:28:24] journalist and Mexican politician who accompanies
[00:28:28] precisely about eh
[00:28:31] the visa that has been revoked. not to Andrés López Beltrán, to
[00:28:35] Andy and what could be behind it, they say it's
[00:28:38] political, yes, of course it will have a political charge, he is the son of the
[00:28:41] former president, but then Landau sent a message, he says they liked this first part.
[00:28:45] part, wait for the second part, what is the second part that there can be, it can be a
[00:28:49] legal issue, now there is a basis to think that
[00:28:52] it could be something legal, I told Beatriz before the break, I'm going to tell you a
[00:28:56] word, "huachicol" (fuel theft),
[00:29:01] the Attorney General's Office of the Republic that
[00:29:04] assure that "huachicoleros" (fuel thieves) used the name of
[00:29:07] Andy while they were involved in these illicit acts,
[00:29:11] so what do you say Beatriz
[00:29:14] about this possibility?
[00:29:17] Of course, look, the word that you pronounce,
[00:29:21] "Huachicol", of course is very important in this
[00:29:24] case, and I would add two other words, two other
[00:29:28] names, the case of Amilcar Olán who...
[00:29:32] is a friend, partner of
[00:29:35] López Beltrán, who is the head and
[00:29:39] is their partner, both are partners in a
[00:29:43] company that I understand, according to some investigations that have appeared here
[00:29:47] in Mexico, the company Econ
[00:29:50] Mainstream has been investigated, it has been
[00:29:53] raided in the United States
[00:29:56] precisely for the illegal traffic of
[00:29:59] fuel and in this... in
[00:30:03] this company, of course, appears as one of the partners
[00:30:06] or as one of the shareholders, this
[00:30:09] friend and partner of López Beltrán, Amilcar
[00:30:12] Olán, of course there is a series of
[00:30:15] accusations here in Mexico against
[00:30:18] Andy López Beltrán, the head, one of the most
[00:30:22] notable heads in fuel trafficking and that also
[00:30:26] as you know Fernando
[00:30:29] is a trafficking network
[00:30:32] that not only involves the son of the former president, but
[00:30:36] also involves many other
[00:30:39] officials of the so-called fourth transformation
[00:30:42] of the Morena government, who have
[00:30:45] truly constituted a true assault
[00:30:48] on the energy
[00:30:51] patrimony of the country and have converted
[00:30:55] this entire network into a
[00:30:58] machinery that involves transporters that...