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[00:00:00] in this company, of course, he appears as one of
[00:00:04] the partners or as one of the shareholders, this
[00:00:07] friend and partner of López Beltrán, Amilcar
[00:00:10] Holán, of course there is a series of
[00:00:13] accusations here in Mexico against
[00:00:17] Andy López Beltrán, one of the most
[00:00:20] notable leaders in fuel trafficking and also,
[00:00:24] as you know, Fernando, it is
[00:00:28] a trafficking network
[00:00:30] that not only involves the son of the former president,
[00:00:34] but also involves many other
[00:00:37] officials of the so-called fourth transformation
[00:00:41] of the Morena government who have
[00:00:43] truly constituted a real
[00:00:46] assault on the country's
[00:00:50] energy assets and have
[00:00:53] turned this whole network into a
[00:00:56] machine that involves transporters
[00:00:59] that... involves customs, that involves
[00:01:02] rincón, let's see, I was telling you before many other officials, marines, the
[00:01:06] Mexican army and who have turned
[00:01:09] this whole trafficking
[00:01:12] names of journalists, this was in chain into a true monster
[00:01:15] that operates throughout the country in this fuel trafficking, so
[00:01:19] of course, yes, of course huachicol and
[00:01:23] of course Andy López Beltrán are intimately
[00:01:26] related. So
[00:01:32] the data, ready for whatever that could be the second part that Landó refers to,
[00:01:35] we don't know, it's not speculation, of course it is.
[00:01:40] of, what Now that Landó says they liked the first one, a second one is coming. What is the second one? They already took away his visa, right?
[00:01:44] So what does it have to be? Well, it can be the legal sphere
[00:01:47] definitely. Listen, before I go, I want to ask my
[00:01:51] dear Beatriz, you hey Beatriz, getting away from Andy, they mentioned you in
[00:01:55] this list, you weren't mentioned there, right?
[00:01:58] That's correct Fernando, look, the lists that
[00:02:02] the legal advisor of the presidency of the republic
[00:02:05] presented, of journalists, of
[00:02:09] communicators, of media and of
[00:02:11] politicians critical of the government, it seems to me that it is
[00:02:15] one of the worst political errors committed
[00:02:19] by President Sheinbaum, the tension, the intention
[00:02:23] evidently was to expose
[00:02:26] all these people, all these journalists as...
[00:02:30] as if you were exposing criminals, what the
[00:02:34] the data, ready for whatever government did is to put journalists
[00:02:37] and opposition politicians in the crosshairs of
[00:02:41] fanatics, it is a kind of invitation to kill,
[00:02:44] you understand, an invitation
[00:02:46] itself a power that is not within its functions, to liquidate all those who may be
[00:02:49] uncomfortable for the regime.
[00:02:52] at some point in his political life he recognized
[00:02:56] that only fascists, dictators make lists
[00:03:00] of their enemies, well, this is the case, Fernando,
[00:03:04] and it seems to me that what is happening in Mexico is very dangerous,
[00:03:07] because as you point out, it is one of the countries where it is most
[00:03:11] dangerous to practice
[00:03:14] Constitutional Chamber? For the journalism, and that's why I tell you Beatriz,
[00:03:18] I agree with you in everything you tell me, but personally I tell you,
[00:03:21] take care of yourself please,
[00:03:23] I'm not going to remember
[00:03:27] tragic passages of journalistic history
[00:03:31] in Mexico, but they have indeed been exposed in a
[00:03:34] crude way, unfortunately, so
[00:03:49] politician accompanied me, I'm going to take a break, well Beatriz was on
[00:03:53] this list, what is Fernando talking about, what list, I'll be back, I'll give you all the
[00:03:57] data in case you don't know it, but there are 54 journalists, 54
[00:04:01] journalists who were put on a list, exposed in the
[00:04:04] morning conference by Sheinbaum, it was the legal advisor
[00:04:06] in Mexico, this lady who is
[00:04:09] there, Luisa María Alcalde,
[00:04:13] I'm going to give you all the details, I'll be
[00:04:16] back,
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[00:05:46] Monday to Friday on
[00:05:47] CNN.
[00:08:24] Friday the release of 131 people detained for
[00:08:28] crimes related to political events. The Penal
[00:08:31] Forum, an organization that documents political prisoners in the
[00:08:35] country, reported that it has confirmed about
[00:08:37] 50 releases that occurred today, Friday. Before
[00:08:41] the official registered 391
[00:08:45] people or 391 political prisoners,
[00:08:48] 365 men and 26 women out of that total of
[00:08:52] 391, opposition leader María Corina Machado called for the
[00:08:55] immediate release of all detained civilians and military personnel while
[00:08:59] the United States described the
[00:09:01] releases as a crucial step for
[00:09:05] reconciliation.
[00:09:14] We are all part of this ocean planet, it depends on all of us to preserve it, it is
[00:09:17] truly an ecosystem full of life, it is a jewel, the
[00:09:21] important thing here is water, it is a miracle, we live on a
[00:09:25] beautiful planet, the ocean is the engine, we
[00:09:28] have to keep it alive, from
[00:09:31] any angle of society we can generate
[00:09:34] change, we all have to support
[00:09:37] to have healthy
[00:09:38] ecosystems.
[00:10:25] passing, what would your advice be to me? you believe the
[00:10:28] civil government should be guided
[00:11:27] the break, the legal advisor of the presidency of Mexico, who is
[00:11:30] Luisa María Alcalde, presented a
[00:11:33] list with 54
[00:11:37] the morning conference in a segment called right to reply,
[00:11:40] she says, I mean, she says because well there was no reply from
[00:11:43] anyone, but these journalists,
[00:11:47] organizations or media figures, whom she accused of
[00:11:50] forming, she said it like this,
[00:11:53] a network to attack the government of
[00:11:57] Claudia or as they call it in the fourth
[00:12:00] transformation according to the version she presented, it is
[00:12:04] a, she defines it like this, she says I open quotes "digital amplification
[00:12:07] ecosystem" I close quotes that would have generated
[00:12:11] more than 22 million publications on the social network
[00:12:14] X, but look, listen to how
[00:12:17] Luisa María
[00:12:19] Alcalde presents it. We would dedicate the program to
[00:12:23] talk a little more about
[00:12:26] this digital amplification
[00:12:29] network that
[00:12:33] is evidently well coordinated, that has
[00:12:37] different levels, who participates,
[00:12:40] how they participate and what phenomenon
[00:12:44] it ultimately is that occurs in our country
[00:12:47] from this
[00:12:49] network,
[00:12:52] let's see, let's see, let's see, many Alcalde of course
[00:12:56] rejected that characterization, now she talks about a
[00:13:00] framework that would be coordinated, not as if
[00:13:04] they had central offices for a
[00:13:07] strategy, something that, by the way, is
[00:13:11] much more common for governments, I'm not saying for Mexico's, but it's common
[00:13:15] to have their armies of bots, but well, she
[00:13:18] presents it like this as an ecosystem that is perfectly coordinated,
[00:13:22] planned, armed to be able to attack Claudia. the
[00:13:25] 4T
[00:13:28] uh, the journalists of course reject it, no, the organizations,
[00:13:31] the figures and who also say that their
[00:13:34] inclusion in a list of those characteristics exposes
[00:13:38] them publicly, puts them at risk in a country where
[00:13:41] journalists are murdered.
[00:13:44] We, in fact, in the editorial board of conclusions today, decided not
[00:13:48] to mention any of the included, I asked Beatriz because she was
[00:13:52] there with me, Beatriz Pajez, but we decided. we said not to do it because
[00:13:56] if I put the list, I'm exposing them again,
[00:13:59] right? So we said we're not going to put names to
[00:14:03] avoid reproducing the message, no,
[00:14:06] not becoming part of that 4T ecosystem and
[00:14:10] reproducing the names, uh, in
[00:14:13] short, if we are not revictimizing them, in a nutshell,
[00:14:16] we also know, we know that
[00:14:20] this network that Luisa María
[00:14:23] provide proof, that is, she makes her
[00:14:26] conjectures, beware, it is very different
[00:14:30] to make conjectures than to prove that a
[00:14:32] network exists, no, this is something that no one has told her, I am telling
[00:14:36] her, Luisa María Alcalde, from here, it is one thing for you to have
[00:14:40] conjectures and another thing for you to present evidence, no, present
[00:14:44] the evidence of the connections, present the evidence of the
[00:14:47] communication, of the plans, of the contacts of meetings or whatever,
[00:14:51] but your conjectures are your conjectures,
[00:14:54] right? She imagines it like that, I don't know
[00:14:57] why, maybe she has seen it somewhere else, I mean,
[00:15:01] I ask, right? Let's see, some of those named have already
[00:15:05] spoken about this list, they describe it as worrying, they have called the action an
[00:15:08] attempt at harassment, in addition to stigmatizing the
[00:15:12] press, and well, in Mexico, exposing my colleagues in this
[00:15:16] way can have very serious consequences, it is a
[00:15:19] matter of life or death, literally, I tell you just like that,
[00:15:23] there are no fanatics. violent ones of the
[00:15:26] 4T, as there are of all parties, there have been, through
[00:15:30] time, I am not saying that it is only
[00:15:34] Morena, the fourth
[00:15:37] the... the PRI, it has been seen with the PAN, of course, there is persecution, there is
[00:15:40] harassment, there are murders against journalists, but to reach
[00:15:44] this point of making a list is another level, a completely
[00:15:47] different level, besides with media
[00:15:51] and televised dissemination,
[00:15:55] for those who cover politics, this could lead to aversion,
[00:15:58] confrontations, threats, there are already some, several
[00:16:02] colleagues of mine throughout the
[00:16:05] day have said so, they are already threatening us. Something,
[00:16:08] yes, what will she do there, no, she won't say anything, Luisa
[00:16:12] María won't say anything,
[00:16:15] journalists in a broad sense in Mexico face many more things according to Article
[00:16:18] 19, an organization specialized in the defense of freedom of expression, from 2000 to
[00:16:22] July 2026, 178 murders of journalists in
[00:16:25] Mexico have been documented in possible
[00:16:28] relation to their informative work. To a question
[00:16:31] this Friday, Sheinbaum also defended Alcalde
[00:16:35] and denied that it was a list. but what was there was a
[00:16:38] list, but well, this is what
[00:16:41] she said.
[00:16:43] Luisa what she says is, a news
[00:16:47] from an account
[00:16:50] comes out and from there a whole
[00:16:52] mechanism
[00:16:55] against a political position,
[00:16:59] a project, of the president or
[00:17:02] she showed how networks
[00:17:04] work today,
[00:17:06] it's the list of who knows what, no, no,
[00:17:10] but already everyone, everyone, everyone, the list
[00:17:18] was there on screen was a list, president,
[00:17:20] no, Alcalde says there is no
[00:17:24] harassment, she denied that there was harassment, the simple fact of
[00:17:26] exposing them, right? And saying that they are part
[00:17:30] of a mechanism, a digital ecosystem to affect her,
[00:17:33] well, that's already harassing them, it's harassment.
[00:17:37] But well, what difference is there between calling it a list or not
[00:17:41] calling it a list, ecosystem mechanism, what was there was a list of
[00:17:45] names or the names of journalists
[00:17:48] who make them look and present them practically as enemies
[00:17:51] of the government, that's what
[00:18:09] Genaro García Luna because this is the highest-level
[00:18:13] public official from Mexico
[00:18:15] to be tried and convicted in
[00:18:19] the United States for drug trafficking, it was
[00:18:22] incredible to be there, to hear these
[00:18:25] testimonies and to be able to learn
[00:18:28] exactly how drug cartels work
[00:18:31] and how they can operate with the
[00:18:35] support, many times, of
[00:18:37] government officials, covering a federal trial in the United
[00:18:41] States is always a difficult task, you have to arrive at
[00:18:44] court very early to secure a
[00:18:48] seat inside the courtroom, but also because cameras are not
[00:18:52] allowed to record what is happening in the room,
[00:18:56] so you have to take notes, imagine 8 hours
[00:19:00] taking notes of everything that is said, everything that happens to be
[00:19:03] able to report it to you.
[00:19:08] I am Mexican-British, I have been practicing
[00:19:12] journalism for 20 years in Mexico City, in the United
[00:19:15] States and now in Miami for CNN. CNN
[00:19:19] America is a multiplatform program where you will
[00:19:23] have information from all areas that will allow you
[00:19:26] to understand the world from the angle you are looking at it. In
[00:19:30] those 3 hours you will not only have information from a
[00:19:33] political and economic perspective, but also
[00:19:38] from a women's perspective, but above all it is a space where
[00:19:41] we can have conversations not to polarize, but
[00:19:45] to integrate society.
[00:19:49] What excites me most is to inform, investigate,
[00:19:52] research the why of things, to get to the bottom of the
[00:19:55] facts, here you will see what makes news and everything that
[00:19:59] impacts your daily life. CNN América
[00:20:02] with Rebecca Kelly, Monday to Friday on
[00:20:04] CNN.
[00:21:28] Casillas, program officer for the Protection of Civic Space for Article 19,
[00:21:32] Mexico and Central America. Pedro, welcome, thank you for being
[00:21:35] here, thank you very much for the invitation and thank you for the space,
[00:21:38] although unfortunately we have to talk about these
[00:21:40] issues,
[00:21:43] yes, gosh, it really reaches some
[00:21:46] incredible levels, that is, how can you?
[00:21:50] From any perspective, Pedro, tell me if there is
[00:21:53] any way to justify what Luisa María Alcalde did,
[00:21:56] also in the forum in which she does it from power
[00:22:00] completely with such blatant
[00:22:03] cynicism, is there any way to justify this, I mean, Luisa María and President
[00:22:07] Sheinbaum have tried all day, but from your
[00:22:10] perspective, this is a trend that we have been observing since
[00:22:14] 2019, even in our reports with the
[00:22:17] administration of Andrés Manuel López Obrador because this. generation of lists is not new,
[00:22:21] first of all, and secondly,
[00:22:25] it definitely cannot be justified for
[00:22:29] several reasons, the first is that, according to the
[00:22:32] standards of the inter-American human rights system and also
[00:22:36] according to the jurisprudence of both Mexican and
[00:22:40] international law, there is no reason for the state to be first of all
[00:22:43] monitoring networks and monitoring public discourse, public opinion, and secondly,
[00:22:46] even less reason to be classifying what information. is not
[00:22:50] positive for the state and then even more
[00:22:53] highlighting that there is a coordination network against it when in reality what is being
[00:22:57] presented in many of the conclusions given is merely the
[00:23:01] functioning of the networks, for example one of the conclusions they presented in
[00:23:04] this right to reply system is that
[00:23:07] networks have peak points where news
[00:23:11] comes out and then other accounts replicate it, that is how social networks work, it
[00:23:15] truly does not provide technical
[00:23:18] information that proves that a network is being generated, but beyond that,
[00:23:22] and rather than delving into this discussion, what is more important
[00:23:25] is why the state is granting itself this power, that
[00:23:28] is, why the legal advisory of the
[00:23:32] federal executive is granting
[00:23:36] not monitoring networks, nor classifying
[00:23:40] accounts on social networks, nor verifying information, fact
[00:23:43] checking is not a role of the state, no, so in reality multiple
[00:23:47] layers of concern about what is being done.
[00:23:50] and this is concerning in the context of other
[00:23:54] circumstances that you already highlighted
[00:23:57] previously, right? For example, Mexico continues to be one of the deadliest countries for practicing
[00:24:00] journalism, this year six journalists have already been murdered for their
[00:24:04] work, it is an unprecedented number, let's also remember that last
[00:24:08] year according to Article 19's documentation, we documented
[00:24:11] 451 aggressions against the press, that is, every 19 hours a
[00:24:15] journalist is attacked in Mexico, far from contributing to public
[00:24:18] debate, this type... of declarations and this type of
[00:24:22] inferences where it is very directly inferred that journalists are
[00:24:25] linked to a digital amplification network,
[00:24:29] well, in reality what they do is justify these discourses against
[00:24:32] the press and justify this animosity or
[00:24:36] adversity against the press
[00:24:40] and also, tell me Pedro, can we interpret
[00:24:43] because they do it very veiledly right? And I don't mean, look, most
[00:24:47] of those who are there, if not all of them, I know them. and I know they won't be
[00:24:51] intimidated, yes, but
[00:24:54] yes, in some of the cases I
[00:24:57] do believe that it is sought to achieve that, that is, that an
[00:25:00] intimidation is sought so that critical journalism
[00:25:03] against the current government decreases,
[00:25:06] do you think this is a
[00:25:09] veiled attempt to influence
[00:25:13] journalistic work in that sense, regardless of whether that is the
[00:25:17] intention or not, this type of lists
[00:25:20] definitely generates a process of self-censorship and generates a
[00:25:24] discussion within the networks about whether we want to participate in these
[00:25:28] spaces or not, that is, not only journalists, but anyone who
[00:25:32] participates in social networks will have to ask themselves what is the risk of me
[00:25:35] publishing so as not to appear in these lists in the public forum of
[00:25:39] the presidency,
[00:25:43] of course, he says, you know what, I don't need these problems in my
[00:25:46] life, I stop doing it,
[00:25:50] what the network does, I don't think it will be the case in Mexico, I think because
[00:25:54] on the contrary, they have just opened a Pandora's box that will
[00:25:58] precisely increase
[00:26:00] this digital phenomenon. production of opposing messages from
[00:26:04] critics of the 4T, but
[00:29:09] under these conditions as president of the Assembly and of the and
[00:29:13] president of the Supreme Court of Justice in the
[00:29:17] moment I will not make declarations because there is
[00:29:20] this resolution. I would rather avoid it. Now
[00:29:23] you are going to present yourself
[00:29:25] on Monday to take possession of the position. Yes, in fact,
[00:29:29] we are going to the court to take. take
[00:29:33] possession,