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[00:05:31] the recruitment of minors in Colombia was associated with rural roads, schools in remote
[00:05:35] areas and armed men approaching communities, but that
[00:05:38] reality is changing. Now the first contact can be on a phone
[00:05:42] screen, a TikTok video, a job offer on Facebook, a private
[00:05:46] message and behind images that may seem part of digital
[00:05:49] culture, such as money, weapons, uniforms, vehicles or a
[00:05:53] life presented as powerful or attractive, there may be
[00:05:56] a recruitment by criminal
[00:06:00] the main alerts of a new Human Rights Watch report that warns that
[00:06:03] armed groups are using social networks to reach children and
[00:06:07] adolescents in Colombia. The figures help to understand the dimension of
[00:06:11] the problem, at least 1,500 minors have been recruited
[00:06:14] since 2021 according to data from the Ombudsman's Office analyzed by the
[00:06:18] organization and official figures point to a sharp
[00:06:21] increase since 2023, but there is a particularly
[00:06:25] striking fact: according to the Special Jurisdiction for Peace,
[00:06:28] 44% of minors recruited in 2025
[00:06:32] were recruited through social networks, 40% of
[00:06:36] them are girls and that figure is increasing, more than
[00:06:39] 30% of those recruited are between 10 and 14
[00:06:43] years old and of the total, almost 50% are
[00:06:46] indigenous.
[00:06:48] For the document titled, I thought I would never see my mother again, Human
[00:06:52] Rights Watch reviewed dozens of accounts and publications on TikTok
[00:06:56] and Facebook. The content, as I mentioned, tries to sell a
[00:06:59] life related to power, money, prestige or
[00:07:03] belonging. Some publications even directly invite
[00:07:06] people to join the activities of these groups and in other cases, the
[00:07:10] contact goes from public to private with direct messages to
[00:07:13] minors. The problem, according to Human Rights Watch, is that social
[00:07:17] networks are not always detecting this content in time. TikTok
[00:07:21] and Facebook informed Human Rights Watch that they had deleted the
[00:07:24] accounts that the organization reported to them, but the report also
[00:07:28] found that after the suspensions new accounts
[00:07:31] with similar content appeared. CNN contacted both
[00:07:34] social media platforms to request comments on these findings and the
[00:07:38] measures they are taking and is awaiting a response.
[00:07:41] But once inside, the danger changes dimension,
[00:07:44] minors can be moved to other regions to isolate them from their
[00:07:48] families and make it harder for them to escape. Some are
[00:07:51] used to gather information, operate drones or participate in
[00:07:55] combat. Girls, in addition, are particularly exposed
[00:07:59] to sexual violence. Human
[00:08:01] Rights Watch calls on the new Colombian government to
[00:08:04] strengthen prevention, alert systems and the protection of
[00:08:08] minors, because the problem is no longer just how to prevent a minor
[00:08:12] from being reached by an armed group in their community, now there is also the
[00:08:16] question of what happens when that armed group can directly enter their
[00:08:19] phone, appear on their screen and turn recruitment
[00:08:39] us. The report you have published, uh, leaves
[00:08:43] us all a bit stunned because we all know that this
[00:08:46] situation happens, but this highlights that it is still
[00:08:50] much easier
[00:08:54] one thought, isn't it? That's
[00:08:56] right, Iván, good evening, thank you very much for the invitation, greetings to all the
[00:09:00] audience, I think what surprised me most about this report
[00:09:04] is that our researcher who
[00:09:06] carried out this publication began
[00:09:10] to follow these accounts on social networks, which, although they do
[00:09:14] not explicitly mention the name of the group, do so through
[00:09:17] emojis, through hashtags, uh, and
[00:09:21] the way he began to follow these accounts made the
[00:09:25] algorithm on both TikTok and Facebook begin to
[00:09:29] recommend and promote content from
[00:09:32] other accounts that sought to recruit children,
[00:09:35] as she pointed out, although both platforms
[00:09:39] deleted these publications once we brought them
[00:09:42] to their attention, the algorithm did not change, even today our
[00:09:46] researcher continues to receive on his cell
[00:09:49] phone, as a child in extremely vulnerable areas of Colombia would, the
[00:09:52] recommendation from the platform to follow other
[00:09:56] accounts that today invite him to join an armed
[00:09:59] group. Now, does this modality have to do with
[00:10:03] something specific about these groups or is it actually a modality that is used
[00:10:06] for a lot of criminal situations
[00:10:10] and that, well, they also adopt because as technology advances,
[00:10:13] they also adopt it, I mean, how much does it have to do with the fact that technology
[00:10:17] has advanced, this is specifically a new way they
[00:10:20] have found to make their criminal
[00:10:24] work more effective?
[00:10:26] Well, we found that
[00:10:30] those who recruit the most in Colombia are dissidents
[00:10:34] of the former FARC, the Mordisco dissident group,
[00:10:37] followed also by the ELN and by the so-called Gulf Clan, that
[00:10:41] is, we are talking about the use of this recruitment modality by
[00:10:45] parties in the armed conflict as well as by organized crime
[00:10:49] groups, here the important thing is that regardless of whether
[00:10:52] the crime legally in Colombia is the forced
[00:10:56] recruitment of minors or the use of minors for the commission of
[00:11:00] crimes, what is at stake are child victims who
[00:11:03] are being used by these groups to commit
[00:11:06] crimes and in both cases the state is
[00:11:10] lagging, it is not able to prevent recruitment by these
[00:11:14] groups or their use, nor is it effective in
[00:11:17] rescuing these children once they are taken
[00:11:21] from their families and used by these groups, and in guaranteeing
[00:11:25] a system of rights protection for the restoration of their life
[00:11:28] project. Juanita, here you introduce
[00:11:32] a new actor, which is the state. Colombia has a new
[00:11:35] president a few weeks ago, uh, who has
[00:11:39] been particularly harsh on all this issue with what
[00:11:42] peace agreements are and so on. Uh,
[00:11:46] what happens with the state that was already not working and how it is
[00:11:49] expected to work under this administration with what has already been announced. Uh, the situation could
[00:11:53] worsen, it will remain as bad as before, it could improve in
[00:11:57] some way. Well, we, as we always
[00:12:00] do, have brought our findings to the government's attention, we have requested
[00:12:04] meetings, throughout this week we have confirmed meetings with several of
[00:12:08] the cabinet ministers, the first thing is that, of course, an
[00:12:12] effective and human rights protective security
[00:12:15] policy is needed to protect citizens from the
[00:12:18] threats of these groups, but the deployment of
[00:12:22] troops will not be enough. It needs
[00:12:25] to ensure that those children who live mainly in rural
[00:12:29] territories, where in Colombia multidimensional
[00:12:32] poverty is three times that of the
[00:12:36] national average, have alternatives for
[00:12:38] education, have alternatives for economic insertion. The
[00:12:42] second is that Colombia has not done its homework in terms of
[00:12:44] judicialization, as of today, of the total number of complaints, only
[00:12:48] 1% are investigated and only
[00:12:50] 0.2% result in a conviction, so if the
[00:12:54] government really wants to put the protection of children at the
[00:12:58] center, it will have to coordinate with
[00:13:01] judicial investigation, strengthen investigation
[00:13:04] capacity, strengthen the prosecutor's office, no longer with a view to
[00:13:07] punitive populism to pretend to lower the age of
[00:13:10] criminal responsibility, but to prosecute adults who
[00:13:14] recruit in terms of macro-criminality for
[00:13:17] recruitment and hopefully adults for the crimes they force
[00:13:21] children to commit and the third is that we have to learn. recruitment
[00:13:25] of
[00:13:33] groups, the government should learn those lessons and strengthen those
[00:13:37] processes to be effective in rescue,
[00:13:41] to continue talking about the government and this new administration, eh, which has announced
[00:13:45] a greater military presence in the streets, much more than that is needed, that is, only
[00:13:49] with more military presence in the streets
[00:13:52] or in the territory is not enough. It takes a much more
[00:13:56] complex and more coordinated
[00:13:59] effort, right? That's right, a security
[00:14:03] policy is needed, of course, because the threat of these groups must be contained,
[00:14:07] but also prevention, creation of life projects, today at the launch
[00:14:10] eh, Matthew Charles, professor at the Universidad del Rosario, said something
[00:14:14] very true, there is a mental health element, children who do not
[00:14:17] see a future, who do not see an alternative and who end up
[00:14:21] being easy victims of these recruitment networks. because they have not
[00:14:25] had access to an opportunity for study, for
[00:14:29] connection with a development of some future
[00:18:03] I'm Gabi Frías in Mexico City, we are
[00:18:06] CNN.
[00:18:12] We continue in conclusions dialoguing about the recruitment of minors
[00:18:15] in Colombia, this terrible situation, with
[00:18:19] of Human Rights Watch, they have conducted a report on
[00:18:23] the matter, Juanita,
[00:18:26] the characterization of the young people they seek to attract,
[00:18:29] because one assumes that they are looking for people with few resources, with little
[00:18:33] education, one might think of poor
[00:18:36] children, a priori, but particularly
[00:18:39] 50% are indigenous, why
[00:18:42] particularly is that population
[00:18:44] sought after?
[00:18:46] Well, I would say above all, that more than that population being sought, is
[00:18:50] that, as you pointed out, half of all cases are in the
[00:18:53] department of Cauca, which is one of the departments
[00:18:56] with the largest indigenous population,
[00:18:59] and it is a department that has historically
[00:19:02] suffered war, which had the best security
[00:19:06] indicators after the signing of the 2016 peace
[00:19:09] agreement, but as happened in several of
[00:19:12] the other territories of Colombia, once the Duque government begins,
[00:19:16] after the peace agreement and the state does not arrive to
[00:19:20] provide security, justice, to implement the peace
[00:19:24] agreement there, territories that were previously controlled by the former FARC,
[00:19:27] new dynamics of violence begin to occur, which begin to
[00:19:31] expand that control, then the Petro administration says it will
[00:19:34] arrive to implement the peace agreement, but on the contrary, it dedicates
[00:19:38] itself to a total peace policy that implements unverified
[00:19:41] and unmonitored ceasefires, allowing groups to increase their
[00:19:45] territorial control, among other things, through the recruitment of children,
[00:19:48] so I think that this greater incidence in indigenous
[00:19:52] population is explained by the way different armed groups are
[00:19:56] disputing, particularly the department of
[00:19:59] Cauca.
[00:20:02] Uh, Juanita, can you briefly describe the path of these children
[00:20:05] from the moment they are captured, what happens to them and what are their chances
[00:20:09] of being able to get out of it, because the state's
[00:20:13] response, as we see, is practically non-existent, so it will simply depend
[00:20:17] on them and their families to see how they can get out of that situation if it is
[00:20:20] possible, I mean, what is that whole path like?
[00:20:24] Well, the first thing you already pointed out in the introduction, one of the things we
[00:20:27] documented and which is frankly very sad is
[00:20:31] that once children are captured and are somehow
[00:20:34] seduced into joining the groups, quickly the groups.
[00:20:37] in most cases, they move them from one area of the country to try to
[00:20:41] prevent their families, their loved ones
[00:20:45] from looking for them and being able to bring them back,
[00:20:48] so, uh, and one of the things we documented that is also very worrying is that
[00:20:52] today there is a network of third-party intermediaries who
[00:20:55] charge up to $1 per recruited child to
[00:20:59] sell them somehow to armed groups and it is they
[00:21:02] who use technology to then sell them to the
[00:21:05] groups. Once they join the groups, they do different types
[00:21:09] of activities that begin with intelligence activities
[00:21:12] that include drone management as a
[00:21:16] way to somehow initiate them into a more abstract
[00:21:20] violence until they definitively end up involved in armed
[00:21:24] activity, carrying weapons directly, micro-trafficking, etc.
[00:21:27] The chances are low, as I already
[00:21:30] said, the best success stories we know of are
[00:21:33] when the indigenous guard manages, through their
[00:21:39] the legitimacy and trust that the population has in them, to quickly
[00:21:43] and agilely rescue the children, eh, but the
[00:21:46] Colombian state has left that structure very abandoned. This means that they will
[00:21:50] have little support from both mayoralties and governorships as well as
[00:21:53] from the national government and that the chances once there
[00:21:57] are recruitments are very low, some children manage to escape, some children
[00:22:01] are rescued by the army, eh, but
[00:22:04] the implications and impacts for their lives are
[00:22:08] really dramatic, which is why we have insisted that this
[00:22:11] is a figure that speaks of the failure of a society, of what
[00:22:15] it means for another generation to go to war and violence in
[00:22:18] Colombia. Speaking precisely of society, we
[00:22:22] already saw from what you told us that the state's response is
[00:22:25] practically null, I mean, is this situation something that has
[00:22:28] been normalized in Colombia, is it something that society does not know
[00:22:32] or knows and prefers to look the other way because it does not know how to
[00:22:35] solve it? I don't think it has
[00:22:38] normalized it, I think that Colombian society is terrified that
[00:22:42] this continues to exist, eh, I genuinely believe from the
[00:22:46] reaction I have seen today that there is a genuine interest in being able
[00:22:50] to really protect children, to put them at the center, I think that
[00:22:54] sometimes they sell us easy solutions, I think that somehow this idea of punitive
[00:22:58] populism, of criminally prosecuting children, of
[00:23:01] raising sentences is something that is sold as the easy solution,
[00:23:05] when, I insist, eh, in these territories it is
[00:23:08] necessary to contain the violence of these groups, but it is
[00:23:12] also necessary to give opportunities to these
[00:23:14] young people, it is necessary that they see a light that studying is worthwhile,
[00:23:18] eh, let's see... These recruitment networks are very
[00:23:22] easy because they offer children an opportunity now, because they do not
[00:23:25] see that future, they do not imagine that studying is worthwhile, they do not
[00:23:29] imagine that trying to save is worthwhile,
[00:23:32] eh, because they do not see those opportunities, because, I insist,
[00:23:35] they are immersed in a scenario of exclusion, eh, that
[00:23:40] opportunities is fundamental to get children out of
[00:23:44] violence and
[00:27:08] We continue in conclusions and we are going to follow up on the United States' deportation policy.
[00:27:12] United because Honduras received this weekend a new group of
[00:27:15] Mexicans, something similar to what happened with Guatemala and that we told you about in
[00:27:19] this space last week. This time
[00:27:22] it is about 365 people deported from the United
[00:27:25] States, while dozens more have been scheduled
[00:27:28] to arrive in the country. The change is significant, instead of being
[00:27:32] directly to Mexico, as usually happened, these migrants
[00:27:36] are being transferred to third countries. Migration
[00:27:39] experts believe that the objective is to move them away from the US border
[00:27:43] to make a new attempt to enter
[00:27:45] more difficult. Mexico, let's remember that it opposes the practice and seeks
[00:27:49] to repatriate its citizens. Meanwhile,
[00:27:52] Trump's strategy continues to expand the scope of his deportation
[00:27:56] policy.
[00:27:58] We are going to talk now about an Ecuadorian mother and her daughter who were detained in a Florida hospital
[00:28:02] for allegedly residing illegally in the United
[00:28:05] States, according to the Polk County Sheriff's office. CNN
[00:28:09] obtained a video that shows the dramatic moments experienced in the hospital room.
[00:28:32] year-old daughter were allegedly living in the US illegally and Ice
[00:28:36] had issued detainers for both. The department of Homeland
[00:28:39] Security told CNN that both of them entered the US legally and
[00:28:43] allegedly overstayed their periods of legal admission. Their
[00:28:47] gofund me page set up by a relative disputes the basis for
[00:28:50] their detention. It says the mother Grace Calletto has pending
[00:28:54] asylum case and a work permit while the visa of her daughter Juliana
[00:28:58] Carriel is valid through 2030. CNN cannot in
[00:29:02] independently verify these claims. According to the campaign, they were taken to
[00:29:06] local hospital after a car crash. The Polk County Sheriff's
[00:29:09] office says deputies went to the hospital to speak with them about the
[00:29:12] crash, and the women were detained after being discharged from
[00:29:16] care. HCA, Florida, Poinciana Hospital told CNN that
[00:29:20] the hospital is required to comply with laws and regulations governing its
[00:29:23] interactions with verified law enforcement. The mother's
[00:29:27] sister, Ja Calledo told CNN she had spoken with the pair and is working
[00:29:31] to secure legal representation.
[00:29:35] We are reaching the end of this edition of conclusions, a tough edition, we have
[00:29:39] seen in this report just what that hotel room
[00:29:42] was also the last interview we conducted on the recruitment of
[00:29:46] minors, we have seen throughout months and years
[00:29:49] wars, horror, hunger, but now we are talking about how children are being
[00:29:53] recruited by organized crime and the FARC dissidents in Colombia
[00:29:56] and that this continues to grow with the very sad and
[00:29:59] outrageous fate that these young people have and with... the presence of the state that
[00:30:03] we see does not take action to try to prevent or find
[00:30:07] the culprits, we