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[00:00:09] The fight on this occasion consists in the fact that the
[00:00:13] administration wants a strong cut in interest
[00:00:16] rates to boost
[00:00:20] the economy, but the Fed, which has as one of its two
[00:00:23] mandates, price stability, meaning to defend us from
[00:00:27] inflation, believes that if it does that, if it makes a
[00:00:32] Abelardo de la Espriella's policy on strong cut, it would trigger inflation and a
[00:00:35] scenario with growth problems and at the same time
[00:00:38] inflation, that is, what is called this
[00:00:40] stagflation, that is precisely what the
[00:00:43] Fed of
[00:00:46] Powell, of Jerome Powell, wants to avoid.
[00:01:07] legislative powers to
[00:01:37] press, we have to inform the world what
[00:01:56] What
[00:02:15] bad, in addition to
[00:02:20] Back with Marta Lucía Ramírez, presented so far, and on the other former Vice President and Minister of Defense of
[00:02:24] Colombia, and I was telling her,
[00:02:28] former Vice President, I was telling her. Why, let's see, there are extremely
[00:02:31] important and interesting issues, and you said it,
[00:02:34] nuclear energy was never
[00:02:37] discussed, right? And suddenly Marco Rubio arrives, nuclear
[00:02:40] energy is discussed. Rare earths were not discussed, now
[00:02:44] rare earths and tungsten are discussed,
[00:02:47] and collaboration is discussed, and
[00:02:50] we just need to look at the realize that today the government of
[00:02:53] President Trump seeks to try to reach
[00:02:56] agreements that benefit him, in which he can exploit natural resources, right?
[00:03:00] This with commercial exchanges, with tariffs, etc., and the big
[00:03:04] question is, why isn't all this discussed? Why do we have to wait for
[00:03:08] the United States to arrive for this to be discussed
[00:03:10] and for large plans to be projected
[00:03:14] for issues that have always been there?
[00:03:17] Well, look, Fernando, what you say is true, but the truth is that in the
[00:03:21] world, these rare earths and minerals were not discussed
[00:03:24] 4 or 5 years ago either. This comes from all the development of
[00:03:28] technology and artificial intelligence, because even
[00:03:32] the production of tungsten batteries and so on is something that
[00:03:35] comes very recently hand in hand with technology. Unfortunately,
[00:03:39] Latin America is often behind,
[00:03:42] it's lagging behind. Here we are seeing that the United States
[00:03:46] is putting forward a strategic vision that
[00:03:48] hopefully will be for all of Latin America. That's why I've
[00:03:52] mentioned Argentina, Chile, Bolivia, because without a doubt,
[00:03:55] in this entire mountain range and throughout our hemisphere, there are
[00:03:59] many more rare earths, and the important thing then is
[00:04:02] to now do a geological exploration, to have clarity on
[00:04:06] which countries have them, because Colombia, for example, has never been clear
[00:04:10] if we have copper or not. We certainly have it, but we have never
[00:04:14] done the geological exploration, so doing it now is
[00:04:17] part of what is happening in the global economy and in global
[00:04:21] technological development. But secondly, doing it hand in hand with someone
[00:04:25] who has investment resources, let's not forget that the United States has
[00:04:29] been the main foreign investor
[00:04:33] in Colombia. The United States has an investment stock in Colombia
[00:04:36] of about 40,000 million
[00:04:39] of Peru, who is joining dollars. Investments in Colombia have been around between 7 and
[00:04:41] 8 billion dollars annually, so this
[00:04:45] is required, it is done when there is investment involved. So
[00:04:48] it seems to me that it is very positive that the investor, by
[00:04:52] definition in our country, well, obviously comes and looks at this, but
[00:04:56] also that they are proposing the development of value chains, the
[00:05:00] development of manufacturing in Colombia. It's no longer the same as before,
[00:05:04] "come, I'll buy your cheap minerals, but I'll
[00:05:07] process them in the United States." No, here we are talking about developing
[00:05:11] chains in Colombia, in Peru, in Ecuador, and that is
[00:05:15] very positive for our development.
[00:05:19] Oh, hopefully, hopefully it will be so, it is not yet certain,
[00:05:22] but hopefully it will be so. Hopefully the government of
[00:05:26] President Abelardo de la Espriella will have that shrewdness so that
[00:05:30] the greatest benefit will really be for Colombia. Now I am going to step
[00:05:33] away from that topic to ask you, because
[00:05:37] time is running out, about what we can expect
[00:05:40] in security, or what do you expect? It is very aggressive.
[00:05:44] the issue of security, aggressive I mean that he has
[00:05:48] ended the dialogues,
[00:05:50] that they are pursuing objectives, that they are bombing, that he walks
[00:05:53] among bodies, among corpses,
[00:05:57] and well, we hadn't seen it like that for a while, this type
[00:06:01] of policy, not against the armed groups. What can we expect from the
[00:06:05] collaboration of the United States, how far yes and how far
[00:06:07] no? First, to close the previous point,
[00:06:11] that this time we are going to see something long-term and that is
[00:06:15] what is important, a state visit that projects
[00:06:18] memorandums, agreements for the long term, it will undoubtedly serve
[00:06:22] for electric vehicles, wind turbines, electronics,
[00:06:25] all that, and Latin America has to be a first-rate
[00:06:29] player in the global concert in that. Regarding security,
[00:06:32] it happens that today we have a set
[00:06:36] of groups that are transnational, they are some
[00:06:40] illegal
[00:06:42] economies that are in the hands of some transnational actors that have become
[00:06:46] stronger than many states, because they manage immense
[00:06:49] resources, through drug trafficking, mineral
[00:06:52] trafficking, among other things, human
[00:06:55] trafficking, smuggling, which is nothing more than money
[00:06:58] laundering of all this. So for that reason we need
[00:07:02] to resume a security policy that is forceful, that
[00:07:05] really confronts all these people with justice, and
[00:07:09] we know that the government of Gustavo Petro was total abandonment
[00:07:13] in this matter, it was the weakening of the public force, it was the
[00:07:16] denial really of any type of collaboration between the
[00:07:20] public force and justice, for example. So now
[00:07:24] we have to achieve that within Colombia that institutional
[00:07:27] cooperation is achieved outside of Colombia, the
[00:07:31] international cooperation that gives us more security and more
[00:07:34] stability throughout the region, because the disaster of all Latin
[00:07:38] America today is that insecurity hand in hand with
[00:07:41] transnational organized crime groups that
[00:07:45] are dedicated to multi-crime and that have illegal
[00:07:48] economies that are absolutely powerful
[00:07:51] that allow them to have drones and in contrast the army
[00:07:55] of Colombia and almost no army in the region has
[00:07:58] them, so I have a lot of confidence that the cooperation of the United States will
[00:08:02] bring us drones, it will bring us technology to identify with
[00:08:06] intelligence where these people are and to be able to
[00:08:09] confront them with all the forcefulness of the Colombian state.
[00:08:14] Well, we will wait for them to give us that detailed roadmap
[00:08:18] obviously to see how far the collaboration from the United
[00:08:21] States will go. We will talk, if you give me the opportunity again,
[00:08:25] in the next few weeks, perhaps
[00:08:29] months, if not, then for now, I want to thank
[00:08:32] you for always joining me, I really appreciate it very much, former Vice President.
[00:08:36] Thank you very much, Fernando, always with the greatest pleasure. I respect you very much for your
[00:08:40] always serious, always very sharp journalism,
[00:08:43] and I tell you, I really think that at this moment we have to see this
[00:08:47] visit as something hopeful, and hopefully all of Latin America
[00:08:50] understands that we have a great opportunity, but also maintaining
[00:08:54] clear sovereignty, maintaining autonomy, and what will
[00:08:57] happen in Peru will also be very important because
[00:09:01] you see that today they complain about China, but at the end of the day,
[00:09:05] China only filled the void that many other countries did not
[00:09:08] understand the importance of investing in Peru and in Latin America.
[00:09:14] Of course, and also the abandonment by the United States in that sense. It's only now that
[00:09:18] they want to recover their presence and kick
[00:09:22] China out. That is, as they say in my country,
[00:09:25] "he who kills the cow is as guilty as he who holds its
[00:09:28] leg." That's absolutely true. So
[00:09:31] well, thank you, Marta Lucía. I send you a big
[00:09:35] hug. Have an excellent night. Thank you very much. Goodbye.
[00:09:39] Thank you, thank you, former Vice President and Minister of Defense of...
[00:09:42] Marta Lucía Ramírez accompanied me. I'll pause, I'll be back. We're going to Peru before
[00:09:46] Marco Rubio arrives. I'll be
[00:09:48] back.
[00:09:53] It was important to cover the trial of Genaro García Luna because this
[00:09:57] is the highest-ranking public official
[00:10:00] in Mexico to be tried and
[00:10:04] convicted in the United States for
[00:10:06] drug trafficking. It was incredible to be there,
[00:10:09] to hear these testimonies,
[00:10:13] and to be able to learn
[00:10:16] exactly how drug cartels work
[00:10:19] and how they can operate, often with
[00:10:23] the support of government officials. Covering a federal trial in the United
[00:10:26] States is always a difficult task. You have to arrive at
[00:10:30] court very early to secure a
[00:10:34] seat inside the courtroom, but also because cameras are not allowed
[00:10:38] to record what is happening in the room,
[00:10:42] so you have to take notes, imagine 8 hours
[00:10:46] taking notes of everything that is said, everything that happens, to
[00:10:49] be able to report it to
[00:10:51] you.
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[00:15:20] and I know it's difficult, but how do we reach a balance
[00:15:24] in which we don't lose sight of this that we had
[00:15:28] all over the place when we started preparing this
[00:15:31] talk, which is the common goal, that we
[00:15:35] all benefit, not just a few. It should
[00:15:38] not be a business, because as
[00:15:41] a business, other things can be invented, but something so
[00:15:45] delicate and with so much technological advance as artificial
[00:15:48] intelligence must have
[00:15:52] a basic condition, which is that it serves a
[00:15:55] majority of humans.
[00:16:15] Listen, I ask you to join me from this moment on using the hashtag #conclukeiko, the hashtag is
[00:16:19] #conclukeiko, of course, for Keiko Fujimori there in Peru, your comments with
[00:16:23] the hashtag #conclukeiko, my account on
[00:16:24] X is @soyfdelrincon, @soyfdelrincon
[00:16:27] on X. Look, Peru is looking in two
[00:16:30] directions at the same time regarding its security
[00:16:34] strategy.
[00:16:40] It is asking for more special
[00:16:44] command, to govern. Yes, special
[00:16:47] powers, externally,
[00:16:51] the government of the United States, the rapprochement that will
[00:16:55] take place, the arrival of
[00:16:58] Marco Rubio, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, which is tomorrow, tomorrow we will be talking about that here on the program, let's see what
[00:17:01] comes out of this meeting, no, but well, externally it's the US government, the rapprochement.
[00:17:05] Trump's initiative to combat
[00:17:09] transnational criminal organizations and both
[00:17:12] things are happening practically in
[00:17:15] parallel in the Andean nation. Today,
[00:17:18] Wednesday, the president of the Council of Ministers, Luis Galarreta, is scheduled to arrive at
[00:17:22] Congress to defend
[00:17:25] the executive's request to temporarily grant the Fujimori
[00:17:28] government legislative powers. This
[00:17:32] is what I mentioned to you, well, I was
[00:17:34] talking about it with a network in Paraguay.
[00:17:37] I mentioned it precisely in a link I had,
[00:17:41] where I told them that I didn't
[00:17:44] think Galarreta's defense was going to be so necessary.
[00:17:47] Why? Well,
[00:17:50] because by having
[00:17:52] such a large group,
[00:17:56] not a majority, but by having such a large Popular Force in the
[00:18:00] legislature, it was very feasible that he could negotiate for
[00:18:04] them to grant those extraordinary powers to Keiko Fujimori. And yet,
[00:18:07] from the Popular Force itself in the legislature, they said: "Those
[00:18:11] are too many powers you are asking for, 66 special powers,
[00:18:15] wait, we have to review them." So what was going to be a
[00:18:18] mere formality for Luis Galarreta, just to
[00:18:21] fulfill the protocol,
[00:18:24] no longer. Now he will have to
[00:18:27] defend that request from the executive,
[00:18:30] argue it, support it. The argument that the government now has is the
[00:18:34] urgency, citizen security, organized crime. The
[00:18:37] validity and measures for telecommunications companies to collaborate with the
[00:18:41] authorities, beware of that, how
[00:18:44] do they want telecommunications companies to collaborate?
[00:18:47] They will present the petitions to the constitutional commission of the chamber of
[00:18:51] deputies. In short, the request aims to give the executive
[00:18:54] the possibility of legislating for 4 months or
[00:18:58] temporarily transferring part of the legislative power to the central
[00:19:02] government. Uh, many are worried about this, I'll tell you why, no,
[00:19:06] accumulation of power. Many fear that, and that
[00:19:09] happens at a time that is also very delicate, particularly delicate for the country, because the
[00:19:13] government recognizes the seriousness of the violence and speaks of dozens of
[00:19:16] homicides since the beginning of the current administration, and also before,
[00:19:19] no. The question then is not only whether the executive needs more
[00:19:23] tools, what are those tools, what
[00:19:27] tools does it want, how will it use them, what
[00:19:31] controls or who will control it? And
[00:19:34] while that discussion is taking place in Lima, Peru's gaze
[00:19:38] extends abroad. Washington has just announced Peru's incorporation into the
[00:19:41] so-called Shield of the Americas, they have already joined the Shield of the Americas, this
[00:19:45] alliance of the Trump government to coordinate efforts against transnational
[00:19:48] organized crime. The announcement comes during the tour of the United
[00:19:52] States Secretary of State Marco Rubio who leaves Colombia, will
[00:19:55] arrive in Peru and will be in Ecuador, or will be in Ecuador, then in Peru, all
[00:19:59] that will be tomorrow and reinforces a relationship that goes beyond
[00:20:02] security, it has to go beyond security, at least in Peru it has to
[00:20:06] go beyond security, it will have to do with the economic
[00:20:09] sphere and the presence and the agreements it has with China,
[00:20:12] but the United States wants to delve deeply into that, into the economic
[00:20:16] presence, particularly strategic sectors such as,
[00:20:19] guess what, also as in Colombia, critical
[00:20:22] minerals, they are looking for that, be careful,
[00:20:26] it's already Colombia, it will be Peru,
[00:20:29] Bolivia, I don't think it will take long, Venezuela, there is the mining
[00:20:33] arc,
[00:20:35] that is, you have to look at it in the big picture, as the
[00:20:39] Americans say, they are not looking for, but the clear
[00:20:43] message now from Washington is security
[00:20:46] and economy, that is the clear message, the...
[00:20:50] The one that is in smaller letters is the one I am telling you, no, but
[00:20:54] these go together, security and economy go together, Peru is choosing to
[00:20:57] approach that cooperation model, which would leave a question mark as to how
[00:21:01] the relationship with China would be, how they are going to
[00:21:04] manage it, I mean, there are agreements that they cannot break, these are agreements that were made, it's not
[00:21:07] like oh China, go away, no, you can't
[00:21:11] make agreements, and there will be legal sanctions, etc., so how will
[00:21:14] they manage that, there is a lot of Chinese presence in
[00:21:17] Peru, we have two simultaneous movements basically, a government
[00:21:21] that seeks a greater margin of maneuver internally
[00:21:25] and that at the same time seeks greater support and international
[00:21:28] coordination with the United States to face a threat that is
[00:21:32] no longer limited to borders, the fundamental question is
[00:21:36] whether this double strategy can translate into concrete
[00:21:39] results against crime, especially,
[00:21:42] what institutional and sovereignty
[00:21:45] price can that gamble have, which is what I was talking about with Marta Lucía Ramírez, the
[00:21:49] former Vice President, how far yes and how far no.
[00:21:52] Let's talk about all this, if you agree, when we come back from the break with my guest, Gustavo
[00:21:56] Adrianzen, former President of the Council of Ministers of Peru, who is joining me,
[00:22:00] it will be after the
[00:22:01] break.
[00:22:05] I am Mexican British, I have been practicing
[00:22:09] journalism for 20 years in Mexico City, in the United
[00:22:13] States and now in Miami for CNN. CNN
[00:22:17] América is a multi-platform program where you will
[00:22:20] have information from all areas that will allow you
[00:22:24] to understand the world from the angle you are looking at it.
[00:22:28] In those three hours you will not only have information from a political
[00:22:31] economic sphere, but also health, from
[00:22:34] a sphere for women, but above all it is a
[00:22:38] space where we can have conversations not to
[00:22:41] polarize but to integrate society.
[00:22:46] excites me the most is to inform, inquire and
[00:22:50] investigate the why of things, go to the bottom of the facts,
[00:22:54] here you will see what makes news and everything that
[00:22:56] impacts your daily life. CNN America with Rebeca
[00:23:00] Kelly, Monday to Friday on CNN.
[00:23:14] The fight on this occasion is that the
[00:23:17] administration wants a strong cut in interest
[00:23:20] rates to boost
[00:23:24] the economy, but the Fed, which has as one of its two
[00:23:27] mandates, price stability, that is, to defend us from
[00:23:31] inflation, believes that if it does that, if it makes a
[00:23:34] strong cut, it would trigger inflation,
[00:23:38] and a scenario with growth problems and at the same time
[00:23:42] inflation, that is, what is called this
[00:23:44] stagflation, that is precisely what the Fed
[00:23:47] wants to avoid from...
[00:25:24] Welcome to Gustavo Adrianzén, former President of the Council of Ministers
[00:25:29] me. Thank you, Gustavo, for always accepting the invitation,
[00:25:31] welcome. Thank you very much for the invitation,
[00:25:35] Fernando, and I am at your service.
[00:25:38] Thank you. Let me ask you the first question internally. I will forget for the moment about the arrival tomorrow
[00:25:41] of Marco Rubio,
[00:25:45] and I will focus on this request that
[00:25:48] the government of Keiko Fujimori wants to make for these
[00:25:52] special powers, 66 special
[00:25:55] powers for 120
[00:25:57] days, which seemed like it was going to be a
[00:26:01] Popular Force itself they say: "Wait, those are
[00:26:04] too many powers, you are also getting into many other portfolios, into many other issues that are not
[00:26:08] just security, what do you want to do? Let me, we have to
[00:26:12] review." Is there fear of accumulation of power,
[00:26:16] even within the same party, or how do you see
[00:26:19] it? Look, Fernando, the truth is that we were all
[00:26:22] surprised because in
[00:26:25] the message to the nation that President Fujimori gave on
[00:26:29] July 28, she announced delegated
[00:26:33] powers. This is a common practice in Peru, Fernando, in fact,
[00:26:36] I myself did it when it was my turn to be President of the Council of
[00:26:39] Ministers. What surprised us is that it was originally
[00:26:43] said that they would ask for delegated powers for issues
[00:26:47] of fighting organized crime and prevention
[00:26:51] against the El Niño phenomenon, that is, two extremely
[00:26:54] urgent matters on which there was a national consensus that they should
[00:26:57] be done and done quickly, because
[00:27:00] precisely these delegated powers
[00:27:02] are used for speed in the
[00:27:05] process, given that the executive
[00:27:08] power is allowed to legislate on these specific matters, but we have been surprised,
[00:27:12] Fernando, that it is true,
[00:27:15] 66 requests, but there are up to 117 disaggregated
[00:27:18] issues. Look,
[00:27:21] agriculture, security,
[00:27:24] infrastructure, state reform, housing,
[00:27:28] fishing, agriculture, administrative simplification,
[00:27:31] mining. work, that is,
[00:27:34] there is an immense number of matters that will
[00:27:37] require what has already been said, that more
[00:27:41] commissions will have to review each of these matters in
[00:27:44] deputies, and on the other hand, Fernando, something that is
[00:27:48] at least shocking for the new Congress, imagine, we are inaugurating a bicameral
[00:27:52] Congress and the first thing that is done is to tell it, "I'm going to take your
[00:27:56] powers to do your job," you take them away, of
[00:28:00] course, it's another thing. You
[00:28:03] start with the bicameral and you tell them, "Well, congratulations, it's good that you are
[00:28:06] there, but I'm going to handle everything right now."
[00:28:10] Exactly, exactly. Exactly.
[00:28:14] That, of course, Fernando, is very
[00:28:17] the breadth, it is the
[00:28:20] technical imprecision that has occurred.
[00:28:22] hand, there are also
[00:28:26] very serious, very profound matters that
[00:28:29] naturally demand the rigor of parliamentary
[00:28:32] debate and Fernando, well, if we want to look at it in
[00:28:36] other terms, Fujimorismo it seems to me
[00:28:40] is not taking into account that the Chamber of
[00:28:43] Deputies, which is the first to consider the request for
[00:28:47] delegated powers, has a majority of the
[00:28:50] opposition. So it's very likely that in
[00:28:54] this review by the deputies, many,
[00:28:57] many of their initiatives will not pass. Some are already being
[00:29:01] criticized. about banking
[00:29:04] interests and board member fees
[00:29:08] of private companies and things like that which do not
[00:29:11] have national relevance or much importance
[00:29:15] at a time like the one the country is
[00:29:17] experiencing.
[00:29:20] But Gustavo, and I have 3 minutes left, but Gustavo,
[00:29:23] tell me something, what is this for you? Is it a
[00:29:27] sign of what? Is it a sign of mistrust
[00:29:30] for the legislative branch or is it
[00:29:34] a matter of accumulation of power, because you already said it,
[00:29:37] that is, it gets involved in agriculture, in
[00:29:41] infrastructure, in many things that, well, are
[00:29:45] not necessary at this moment, unless you want to manage the whole country and
[00:29:48] decide in all areas of the country. Why do I ask you,
[00:29:51] well, because of the surname, right? And because of the fears
[00:29:55] there are. There are those who see Fujimori as a great
[00:29:57] hero, others as the great villain,
[00:30:01] but this. It must make detractors very nervous.
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