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[00:01:58] Donald Trump said, imagine that I am on
[00:02:11] United States Senate, both of
[00:03:11] if we win, no, do you know
[00:03:19] paycheck, do you know
[00:03:29] because we say that usually and 38 of
[00:03:40] but if he puts himself on
[00:04:26] as words, that's why I'm telling you, what
[00:04:40] populism, but in
[00:05:32] How are you, good evening, it's a pleasure to greet you, I'm Fernando del Rincón,
[00:05:35] welcome, welcome to Conclusiones, thank you for joining me,
[00:05:38] this, this as every night, of course, thank you for being here.
[00:05:42] Today we are going to continue with
[00:05:45] this Republican convention, strange Republican convention, why do I say
[00:05:49] strange Republican convention, you saw that yesterday we were with
[00:05:53] only part of the speech, moments of the speech of President
[00:05:57] Donald Trump, I say strange or
[00:06:00] rare as you want to call it, Republican convention,
[00:06:03] because this is not customary, there is no
[00:06:06] convention for mid-term
[00:06:09] elections, now he is doing it.
[00:06:12] Evidently he is doing it, Donald
[00:06:15] Trump, because of the situation they are in, the numbers
[00:06:19] that well, I'm not saying they
[00:06:22] predict a Democratic victory, but
[00:06:24] at least in the House of Representatives, the Democrats
[00:06:28] have a great opportunity to take it, not in the Senate, it's more complicated,
[00:06:32] but they could do it, it's
[00:06:36] obvious, it's a measure,
[00:06:40] some will say it's a measure to
[00:06:43] reinforce the vote in favor of Republicans in
[00:06:47] these mid-term elections on November 3rd,
[00:06:50] now how much does it favor
[00:06:54] Republicans the participation of President Donald
[00:06:58] Trump when his approval is around 36
[00:07:02] 35%, does it really
[00:07:05] favor him to imagine as he said yesterday, yesterday President
[00:07:10] the ballot and well yes.
[00:07:12] Logically it is that, at the end of the day the
[00:07:16] vote and the mid-term
[00:07:19] election is like
[00:07:22] a referendum for President Donald Trump, because they are going
[00:07:26] to punish him in the vote, they are going to punish the Republicans for Trump's
[00:07:30] management, or they are going to reward them, or they are going to open the door to the
[00:07:33] Democrats, so at the end of the day yes, Trump
[00:07:36] said yesterday, imagine, don't imagine, he is on the ballot, that
[00:07:40] is, all the actions of the... where President Donald Trump, all his
[00:07:44] policies are impacting precisely the ballot that will
[00:07:47] favor Republicans,
[00:07:51] of course within so much propaganda
[00:07:54] that President Donald Trump said yesterday, there are headlines, one of
[00:07:58] them was in Mexico, precisely in
[00:08:01] statements also this that Marco Rubio
[00:08:04] made, but here in the United States, what
[00:08:08] Donald Trump said yesterday that has caused a stir
[00:08:11] and that is not for less. Some have minimized it,
[00:08:15] but let's see, I understand it from another perspective, we should not
[00:08:18] minimize it, President Donald Trump yesterday offered if
[00:08:22] the Republicans won
[00:08:25] $5,
[00:08:27] for American adults, that is, he was going to give
[00:08:30] $5,
[00:08:33] to the people, $5, if the Republicans
[00:08:37] won the mid-term elections,
[00:08:39] I don't know how you
[00:08:42] interpret it, but the interpretation I give it within
[00:08:46] an electoral law in
[00:08:49] other countries, speaking of Latin America,
[00:08:53] one could well say that votes are being bought, no, it's a vote
[00:08:57] buying, first of all, where was he going to get the
[00:09:00] money, it's a lot of money, now I'll tell you the figure, etc., it's
[00:09:04] a lot of money, yes, where is
[00:09:07] that money going to come from, and if he has it, I asked
[00:09:11] President Donald Trump today, "Hey,
[00:09:15] this, the Congress has to approve this," and
[00:09:18] Trump said, "Well, no, I don't think Congress has to
[00:09:21] approve it, we think not," and you know,
[00:09:24] then came this whole string of achievements and successes, because we have earned
[00:09:28] too much money, because trillions of billions of
[00:09:32] dollars have come in, with tariffs,
[00:09:35] with foreign investment in the country, so we are doing so
[00:09:39] well that I don't think it is necessary for Congress to
[00:09:43] approve it, but the reality is that a populist act, empty
[00:09:46] words, or seriously speaking, the issue of offering
[00:09:50] $5,000 for the Republicans to win, well
[00:09:53] it's this, it should be
[00:09:56] illegal, it should be illegal, he is
[00:10:00] buying votes, he is offering money in exchange for
[00:10:02] votes, he didn't say it like that, no, he didn't say it like that, but we have
[00:10:06] to understand them, that is, for the Republicans to win, if you earn your
[00:10:10] $5, you have to make sure to help us, no, well at the end of
[00:10:14] the day what is that, it's a vote buying,
[00:10:17] literally, what surprise will President Donald Trump come up with today, I don't know, Vice President
[00:10:21] JD Vance will also speak, we will be attentive, we will be entering and
[00:10:25] leaving precisely this convention that is taking place there in
[00:10:28] Dallas, while we also analyze the electoral map, yesterday I was talking
[00:10:32] precisely
[00:10:34] about this, the ruling that has already been confirmed, this ruling
[00:10:38] precisely in Missouri
[00:10:41] where they could not redesign the
[00:10:45] electoral map,
[00:10:48] so it remained as it was, remember that they did it in Texas,
[00:10:51] California also did the same to counteract, but in Missouri
[00:10:54] the... US Supreme Court
[00:10:58] congressional map of Missouri, that was the
[00:11:02] Republican one for the elections, so from there they could not gain an advantage, what they
[00:11:05] are looking for with these redesigns of electoral
[00:11:08] maps is to have a greater number
[00:11:12] of seats in the legislature
[00:11:15] to favor them and have a little more margin, but
[00:11:19] well, in Missouri they already threw it back, in short, many things to talk
[00:11:22] about and analyze regarding this
[00:11:25] that happened yesterday with Trump, what will happen tonight
[00:11:28] and that well,
[00:11:32] points to this very important for Donald Trump,
[00:11:35] very important mid-term election, which can
[00:11:39] completely, completely change
[00:11:42] his mandate in the last 2 years. Let's start then, if you
[00:11:45] agree, we are attentive, let me know when President Donald
[00:11:49] Trump comes in to speak at this convention, we have the live signal
[00:11:52] monitoring, of course JD Vance also the vice president,
[00:11:55] so we will be with that during this whole hour, let's
[00:11:58] start.
[00:12:04] I ask you that from this moment on and throughout this program you join me using
[00:12:08] the hashtag #conclump, the numeral is #conclump, your comments with
[00:12:11] this hashtag on my account on
[00:12:14] X @soyfdelrincon @soyf
[00:12:16] delrincon.
[00:12:25] God bless the USA.
[00:12:28] And here is my promise. If the Republicans win the
[00:12:32] House of Representatives and the
[00:12:36] them. I will issue a dividend to every adult
[00:12:39] citizen in the United States of America for
[00:12:43] $5,000. So if the Republicans
[00:12:46] win, you win with us and you get
[00:12:49] $5,000. It will be
[00:12:52] called the Trump dividend.
[00:12:59] That's what I was telling you at the beginning of the program, that was the moment, that
[00:13:03] controversial figure, $5, that
[00:13:06] President Trump offers to pay every American,
[00:13:09] of course, only if the Republicans manage to
[00:13:13] maintain legislative control in the November elections, is this a
[00:13:17] promise or just empty words? I don't
[00:13:20] know, I don't know, no, but Trump closed the inaugural
[00:13:24] day of the Republican party convention, an event that is
[00:13:27] held for the first time, as I told you, for the mid-term elections, this
[00:13:31] convention which is completely
[00:13:34] atypical, it had not been done before,
[00:13:37] this is finally campaigning, we have to understand it that way,
[00:13:40] they are campaigning for the mid-term elections, was there campaigning before, no, there wasn't
[00:13:44] campaigning before, it's the first time, of course, in
[00:13:48] the context for Trump it's necessary to do it, it's
[00:13:51] necessary to do it, why, because the numbers are not adding up for
[00:13:55] the Republicans, that's the reality, now the promise of
[00:13:59] $5,000 has of course been
[00:14:03] criticized by many, interpreted as I told you, practically a
[00:14:06] vote buying, they have even criticized him within
[00:14:10] his own ranks, others call it bribery, vote
[00:14:14] buying, bribery, whatever you want to call it, this is
[00:14:17] not the first offer of this type, no, we have to take
[00:14:20] that into account, let's go to April 2025,
[00:14:24] there Trump talked about... $5 checks financed with
[00:14:27] cuts to government spending, months later
[00:14:30] in November he promised another $2, for what he called a
[00:14:34] tariff dividend, and in
[00:14:37] December he proposed giving between $100 and $500 for savings
[00:14:40] accounts for health expenses,
[00:14:44] now what happened with all that, well all
[00:14:47] those amounts remained
[00:14:51] he said yesterday, is it serious or are they just empty words? I mean,
[00:14:55] given all this background I'm telling you, they could be empty
[00:14:58] words, no
[00:14:59] populism,
[00:15:05] reality, you see, it happens, no, he says it, but
[00:15:08] it happens, many are going to be waiting for it to
[00:15:12] arrive, no, even if it's just to one
[00:15:15] of so many, if it arrives, no, if he
[00:15:19] wins, there's a long way to go to see if the words will just remain
[00:15:23] there, as he
[00:15:25] Trump, imagine that I'm on the ballot, because no, he's not on the November
[00:15:29] ballot, no. Now, what do we see? Well,
[00:15:33] a desperate act,
[00:15:36] he desperately needs voters to act
[00:15:39] as if he were on the ballot, yes, he's
[00:15:43] calling his base to support
[00:15:46] him in this mid-term election, as if
[00:15:50] he were the one taking the risk, which in the end he is taking the risk
[00:15:54] because this will completely impact his
[00:15:57] mandate.
[00:15:59] Now, how feasible is it for this type of
[00:16:04] effect at a time when Trump
[00:16:07] has a very low approval rating?
[00:16:11] Yes, in many states, Trump
[00:16:15] barely, barely exceeds 30%,
[00:16:18] depending on the polls you see, Trump would be
[00:16:21] between 30 and 36%, I repeat,
[00:16:25] depending on the poll you see, it ranges between 30 and
[00:16:28] 36% approval, not
[00:16:30] 36%
[00:16:33] and I tell you, in many states he barely exceeds 30%, that is, it is not
[00:16:36] at all the best moment for Donald Trump and even more
[00:16:40] the situation is complicated by the war with
[00:16:43] Iran, first because he promised that he would not get us into a war, he got us into a
[00:16:47] war, but the consequence of that
[00:16:49] war is that it has driven up the price of
[00:16:51] gasoline, there it is,
[00:16:55] that plus the economy,
[00:16:58] generate enormous pressure and there is also an enormous social
[00:17:02] unrest, oil due to this war, due to the Strait of
[00:17:06] Hormuz, due to everything you already know, reached $100 per
[00:17:09] barrel, it even passed $100 per barrel,
[00:17:13] meanwhile the president tries to convince voters that the economy
[00:17:17] is under control, but it is not
[00:17:19] so, the impact on their pockets says otherwise,
[00:17:22] everyone, Republicans talk about tax cuts
[00:17:26] and more money for families, but Trump says that prices will
[00:17:29] go down when the United States wins the
[00:17:32] war, when it wins the war, no, he
[00:17:36] hasn't said so many times that... this war has already been won, when will it be won then, it
[00:17:39] was won, it hasn't been won, it will be won,
[00:17:43] because when it wins the war, when does the United
[00:17:45] States win the war, because according to Trump, it has already
[00:17:48] been won, he has said it
[00:17:50] many times, that on the one
[00:17:54] hand, yes, the issue of
[00:17:57] war, the issue of immigration, the
[00:18:01] issue of the cost of living, the issue of
[00:18:04] fuel, Trump also said.
[00:18:08] The price of gasoline will go down, yes, after the mid-term
[00:18:12] elections.
[00:18:15] Why will the price of gasoline go down after the mid-term elections? He doesn't explain
[00:18:18] it, no, but he always tries to put the mid-term
[00:18:22] elections in the middle of such sensitive
[00:18:26] issues, imagine when, imagine,
[00:18:29] put yourself in this scenario, you are
[00:18:32] a father, you are a family of four, your
[00:18:36] wife and two children. And you live
[00:18:40] paycheck to paycheck, you can't afford more, and they
[00:18:44] say: I'm going to give you $5,
[00:18:49] what $500 represents for a family of four people who
[00:18:52] lives day to day barely with the what
[00:18:56] it represents?
[00:18:59] I don't know, bribery, yes, it could be bribery or buying
[00:19:03] the vote, but believe me, at this moment
[00:19:06] for many families. it makes a huge
[00:19:08] difference.
[00:19:10] Now, in the electoral arena there are other key data,
[00:19:13] no, two key states, Maine and
[00:19:16] Michigan, in both, in both
[00:19:20] Maine and Michigan, the Senate races are practically tied
[00:19:23] for the Senate, attention, I already told you, the House of Representatives
[00:19:27] has much more chance for the Democrats to take it, the Senate
[00:19:31] was more complicated for them, it was more closed, well
[00:19:34] now in key states this:
[00:19:37] they are practically tied, I'm talking about Maine and Michigan in this case,
[00:19:41] but close to two out of every three voters are
[00:19:45] disapproving of Trump's work, yes,
[00:19:48] in Maine only 31% approve of his
[00:19:51] management compared to 67% who disapprove, and in
[00:19:55] Michigan 34% approve and 65% disapprove,
[00:19:59] and the problem for Republicans doesn't end
[00:20:02] there, as I also told you at the beginning of the program, the Supreme Court rejected today
[00:20:06] this district map, this redesign of the
[00:20:09] electoral district map of Missouri that looked
[00:20:12] favorable for Republicans, because it could have given them an
[00:20:16] additional seat, which is what the redesign of these maps seeks,
[00:20:20] these district maps for the election,
[00:20:23] well, it gives them a chance to have one more seat
[00:20:27] here, another one there, etc., but well,
[00:20:29] that already happened in Missouri, in the
[00:20:32] decision, the state will programmatically have to return
[00:20:36] to the previous map. It has to return to the previous map that contemplated
[00:20:40] six competitive districts for Republicans instead of seven, the
[00:20:43] case matters a lot, because right now one seat is
[00:20:46] fundamental, yes, it is
[00:20:50] part of Trump's effort to take advantage of that redistribution of
[00:20:54] districts in different states, but
[00:20:57] there is also a race against time, because from now until, let's see, from now
[00:21:00] until November, less than two
[00:21:03] months, will he have time to fix anything that is
[00:21:07] wrong, in the war,
[00:21:10] in the cost of
[00:21:12] living, in the price of
[00:21:15] fuel,
[00:21:18] in immigration I won't even tell you anything.
[00:21:20] Because the impact has already occurred and it's a job that
[00:21:24] won't change or a policy that won't change
[00:21:27] now, in the case, I told you yesterday,
[00:21:30] TPS for Salvadorans expired, well now
[00:21:33] they are still protected by TPS while a decision is made, but
[00:21:36] they are still protected, but well, how much influence can that
[00:21:39] have?
[00:21:43] Will two months be enough to turn the scenario around
[00:21:46] depending on these factors that voters mention are most
[00:21:50] important to them?
[00:21:54] How much more is at stake in these midterm elections? The
[00:21:57] answer is very easy, it's
[00:22:00] Trump's freedom to govern as he
[00:22:03] pleases, because if they take away the legislature, if
[00:22:07] they take away the legislature he won't be able to do much in the next two years
[00:22:10] and who knows, who knows, if they
[00:22:14] can do much to him.
[00:22:17] Anyway, we'll be talking about all this, we'll be doing... crisis with my guests tonight, at
[00:22:21] the same time we'll be taking parts of the speech of
[00:22:24] JD Vance and Donald Trump and based on that we'll
[00:22:28] be developing if you agree, so I'm going to welcome
[00:22:31] or introduce my guests and then I'll go to the break, I'm going to introduce my guests and then
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[00:26:22] That's the atmosphere, you know they're like parties, these
[00:26:25] conventions there's a lot of show,
[00:26:29] music, this.
[00:26:33] fans to fans yesterday there was a large group of women there in the front
[00:26:37] row of the fans of Donald
[00:26:40] Trump's base, in fact Donald Trump mentioned them, he said these women
[00:26:43] have been in I don't know how many
[00:26:47] they had been in a lot of conventions, they follow him
[00:26:51] around the country etc. So
[00:26:53] well that's the atmosphere that
[00:26:57] is lived and the atmosphere that is lived here well we are going to discover it with my
[00:27:01] guests, welcome Rocío Vélez, Republican
[00:27:04] strategist, to José Aristimuño, former press
[00:27:07] undersecretary of the Democratic party. Rocío, welcome, thank
[00:27:11] you José for being here again, thank you,
[00:27:13] pleasure,
[00:27:17] a pleasure, listen, I'm going to start with Rocío, I'm going with the controversy of
[00:27:21] the $5, a reading,
[00:27:24] different readings, Rocío, this, bribery,
[00:27:28] vote buying or just another occurrence from Donald Trump, but
[00:27:32] I think that in any case it's very bad, right? Or how
[00:27:36] can we justify that, how do you interpret it, what do
[00:27:39] you say about this
[00:27:42] oferta?
[00:27:44] Look, I think it's a problem that the Republican
[00:27:48] party is facing on top of it,
[00:27:50] because what is called the get out the vote, right,
[00:27:54] getting people to vote, is a
[00:27:57] situation for in terms of a
[00:28:01] mid-term election. So in the middle of that
[00:28:05] we have the owner of the Apprentice, right, a Donald Trump who
[00:28:08] usually and he has done it through and you said it earlier in
[00:28:12] the program they had made several offers, both
[00:28:15] $1,500 and $500 previously last
[00:28:18] year and in all this I don't disagree
[00:28:21] with doing it, it's a populist measure but a
[00:28:25] dividend is a dividend from taxpayers, if they do it on the
[00:28:29] basis of what is called a tax refund, right, all of us who have
[00:28:32] paid contributive payroll and in some way it's
[00:28:36] a return, right, a certain amount is returned to me, there's
[00:28:40] no problem, however, he launches it in a very
[00:28:43] very very cunning
[00:28:47] way where he says: we are going to give $5 to
[00:28:50] everyone, meaning it is not specified, to pass that measure, it still has
[00:28:54] to go through Congress, it could do so if he really
[00:28:58] receives the trillions of dollars eh that he claims
[00:29:01] to have received. But the problem that the Republican party has is
[00:29:04] that eh catching
[00:29:08] these the independent part who were the voters who
[00:29:11] gave him victory in 2024 a Donald Trump
[00:29:15] is going to be much more difficult and the Republican party knows that, Donald
[00:29:18] Trump knows that, eh that's why he puts himself out there and says "I'm on the
[00:29:22] ballot, so pretend I'm there on the ballot
[00:29:26] and go out and vote for me." So it's a little ironic
[00:29:31] the past 40 eh congressional ones, usually the incumbent
[00:29:35] party gets the protest vote, so I don't
[00:29:39] think that will make a difference,
[00:29:43] the on the ballot then I find it even more ironic because he
[00:29:46] has a low approval rating, what happens is that the Democratic
[00:29:49] party is also giving us gifts because we have this situation
[00:29:53] of socialism from the different people
[00:29:56] and personalities that are in the in the
[00:29:59] congressional races and I think it will be something very
[00:30:02] interesting to see in the next two months,
[00:30:05] ah Rocio, what
[00:30:09] well now we will delve deeper because that's what I
[00:30:11] was going to tell you, if you see it,
[00:30:15] I'm going to continue with Rocio because this topic interests
[00:30:18] me, you were saying, eh,
[00:30:21] if they give us back, for example, $5 in
[00:30:25] taxes, eh then
[00:30:28] it's valid, but I insist that
[00:30:32] why should they give us back $5 for
[00:30:35] voting for Republicans? That's illegal, it's vote buying,
[00:30:38] here you're not inviting people to vote, you're
[00:30:42] conditioning them, I'm going to give you money if I
[00:30:45] win, in any legislation and
[00:30:49] and I think if we review American law, vote buying is
[00:30:52] illegal, that the argument tries to be
[00:30:56] something eh light, humorous.