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[00:00:04] we must maintain everything
[00:00:21] We are CNN, the world leader in
[00:00:23] news.
[00:00:37] terrorist groups, have been seen operating Welcome to Conclusiones, I'm Iván Pérez Armenti for Fernando del
[00:00:40] Rincón, here today on Conclusiones, a high-ranking
[00:00:44] this network official confirmed to our network that President Donald Trump and Venezuela's interim leader,
[00:00:46] Delsie Rodríguez, will hold an informal meeting
[00:00:50] on the sidelines of the UN Assembly in New York. The meeting is scheduled
[00:00:54] for Tuesday. The UN's independent international fact-finding
[00:00:58] mission on Venezuela states that, despite political
[00:01:02] changes in the country, the state's repressive apparatus remains
[00:01:06] intact and continues to be a human rights
[00:01:09] concern.
[00:01:12] should be like the spearhead US armed forces are expected to transfer MQ9
[00:01:14] Reaper drones, currently operating over Africa, to the
[00:01:17] US command responsible for South America, according to six
[00:01:21] sources familiar with the
[00:01:23] planning, who informed
[00:01:25] CNN. And US President Donald Trump threatens to ban CNN
[00:01:29] (ms now) and political coverage from the White House,
[00:01:33] but CNN responds and assures that it will defend its journalists and their constitutional
[00:02:00] that is trying to take over the hemisphere and cannot be
[00:02:03] allowed, and the only way to defeat that is to
[00:02:06] confront it, confront it
[00:02:08] strongly.
[00:02:12] The United States is moving from words to military movements. The
[00:02:15] Pentagon is preparing to transfer MQ9 Reaper drones to the
[00:02:19] area under the command of Southcom, which is responsible for covering Latin
[00:02:22] America and the Caribbean. Six
[00:02:25] sources familiar with the plans told CNN that the drones currently
[00:02:29] operating from Africa could be used in future anti-narcotics
[00:02:32] and anti-terrorist operations in the region.
[00:02:35] It is not clear how many will be transferred to Southcom, but it could be
[00:02:39] the majority, they said. And one of the possible scenarios is in
[00:02:43] Ecuador. According to three of the sources, possible operations
[00:02:46] in that country are being considered, although as a precedent it is worth remembering
[00:02:51] used for? Because we mentioned the that this year Ecuador began to conduct joint
[00:02:54] are always exposed to criticism, military operations with the United States against designated terrorist
[00:02:57] organizations, but it is not alone. Colombia
[00:03:01] is also deepening its military cooperation with Washington. During his visit
[00:03:05] to three South American countries, Rubio said he
[00:03:07] sought to usher in a golden
[00:03:09] Mancora, the best surfing destination in era in the relationship with Colombia. Earlier this month,
[00:03:13] CNN reported that President Abelardo de la Espriella had reached an
[00:03:16] agreement with the United States. The deal involves the
[00:03:19] loan of three MQ9 Reaper drones intended to monitor
[00:03:23] drug trafficking corridors and carry out possible precision
[00:03:26] strikes. Panama is also part of
[00:03:30] the scheme. On Thursday, the US Embassy in Panama announced
[00:03:34] the delivery of long-range drone systems to that country. These
[00:03:37] are different from the MQ9s, although they have similar
[00:03:40] objectives. The intervention is to provide the National
[00:03:44] Aeronaval Service with the capacity to monitor remote borders,
[00:03:47] protect strategic maritime corridors and dismantle illicit drug
[00:03:51] trafficking and human trafficking networks, they maintained. This
[00:03:55] withdrawal from Africa comes despite persistent
[00:03:58] concern
[00:04:00] about terrorism on the continent. US military commanders
[00:04:03] have warned that groups like ISIS and
[00:04:06] al-Shabab have continued to gain strength as the
[00:04:10] US presence has dwindled in recent
[00:04:14] region. What years. The Pentagon declined to comment for this article. And in recent
[00:04:18] weeks we have seen how the map of military cooperation between Washington and
[00:04:22] Latin America is changing and it's not just about
[00:04:25] surveillance. The United States has been carrying out attacks against alleged
[00:04:29] drug traffickers in the Caribbean and the Eastern Pacific for months. These
[00:04:32] operations have left at least 230 people dead,
[00:04:36] a stop to what according to data cited by CNN. But the impact on
[00:04:39] drug trafficking remains
[00:04:42] significant decrease in long-term a subject of debate. Officials and experts cited by CNN say it is unclear if the attacks have
[00:04:46] durably reduced trafficking or if criminal groups are simply
[00:04:50] changing their routes and methods.
[00:04:52] So, the question is whether the provision of more weaponry and more attacks
[00:04:56] is the solution to the problem or merely mechanisms of pressure. We will
[00:05:00] discuss it with my first
[00:05:01] guest.
[00:05:09] I now welcome Arturo Grandón, National Security analyst, intelligence,
[00:05:13] and defense and antiterrorism, who joins us from
[00:05:16] Washington. Arturo, thank you for being with us. I'll start
[00:05:20] by asking you the basic question: How should we interpret this
[00:05:23] movement of these drones from Africa to America,
[00:05:26] Latin America? Why is the United States doing it and why
[00:05:29] now? Well, because they effectively
[00:05:33] realized that this part
[00:05:35] of the continent was abandoned
[00:05:39] and was actually being
[00:05:43] attacked by China, by Russia, and by Iran, where
[00:05:46] several cells, including
[00:05:50] in the area. But in your introduction, you mentioned
[00:05:53] Ecuador, Colombia, and Panama, but
[00:05:57] there is also quite intense
[00:06:00] collaboration in El Salvador, there
[00:06:03] have also begun collaborative operations
[00:06:06] in Guatemala, and they have been
[00:06:09] working intensely since last year in Peru. So
[00:06:13] precisely for this argument of the
[00:06:17] fight against organized
[00:06:20] crime and against international drug trafficking, which can lead
[00:06:23] to two types of analysis:
[00:06:27] one, that it is indeed for that purpose, and another, that the United
[00:06:30] States does not lose its presence in the Latin American
[00:06:34] continent.
[00:06:36] Earlier in the introduction, we also referred to the sinking of boats
[00:06:40] that allegedly, according to the United States,
[00:06:43] were transporting drug traffickers.
[00:06:47] How does this relate to that and also to the so-called Shield of the Americas, which
[00:06:50] is another of the United States' bets in the region? We need
[00:06:54] to consider two things: effectively, when
[00:06:58] a vessel is sunk,
[00:07:00] it remains doubtful whether it was indeed
[00:07:04] transporting illicit
[00:07:06] substances or not. For example, in the case of El Salvador,
[00:07:10] which does intercept vessels in international
[00:07:13] waters, it detains the
[00:07:16] drug traffickers and hands over
[00:07:19] the cargo that these vessels are carrying to the
[00:07:23] authorities. In this case, it is bombed by the United
[00:07:27] States, and it has not been clear whether
[00:07:29] they were transporting illicit substances or not. That is still
[00:07:33] under investigation. Therefore, a vacuum is created
[00:07:37] between what the authorities say and what could
[00:07:40] actually be. Therefore, more than the attack
[00:07:44] against these cells or these groups
[00:07:47] of drug traffickers or organized crime, we are
[00:07:50] seeing that the use of drones in intelligence
[00:07:54] work is the most precise thing we could
[00:07:57] say at this moment.
[00:08:00] Now, what are these particular drones
[00:08:04] model, but how can they be used? Well, these
[00:08:07] drones are generally used
[00:08:11] for surveillance, intelligence gathering, and
[00:08:15] in reality, if conditions and the situation warrant it,
[00:08:19] for precision lethal strikes
[00:08:22] on the target. And that
[00:08:25] is actually done in coordination with local forces, with ground
[00:08:29] forces. Precisely what I was saying
[00:08:32] previously, these drones are
[00:08:36] being used for electronic surveillance and for
[00:08:38] gathering intelligence on circulation routes of
[00:08:42] possible regroupings
[00:08:45] of guerrilla
[00:08:48] units or organized
[00:08:51] crime units or even drug
[00:08:55] trafficking, and that has been seen on the border
[00:08:58] between, sorry, between
[00:09:01] Ecuador, Colombia, and Venezuela, where the
[00:09:04] National Liberation Army is reorganizing, and that is the information that
[00:09:08] exists so far.
[00:09:11] Among the considerations, they basically talk about fighting
[00:09:14] drug trafficking, against
[00:09:18] criminal organizations. You just mentioned the presence of
[00:09:21] China, Iran, and Russia in the
[00:09:27] worries the United States the most? Does it worry about drug trafficking, or is it actually
[00:09:30] a good facade to really deal with this other thing?
[00:09:34] I think it's oriented towards both,
[00:09:38] towards both fronts, so that they don't lose their
[00:09:41] capacity against foreign
[00:09:44] powers like Russia, like
[00:09:48] China and Iran, but
[00:09:51] also because of the high risk of drug and narcotics entering the United
[00:09:55] States. So, they are attacking on one side,
[00:09:59] but they are neglecting a part that is important, which
[00:10:02] is prevention within the country
[00:10:04] itself. We mentioned some
[00:10:08] countries in the introduction, you mentioned others. Is there any country that the United
[00:10:12] States cannot impose on, perhaps thinking of
[00:10:15] Brazil, for example, which is one of the few countries
[00:10:18] that discusses more or less on equal terms with
[00:10:21] Donald Trump? Is there anyone in the region who can say no to this?
[00:10:26] And look, only Brazil at this moment, because we are
[00:10:29] in an election period, and
[00:10:33] both candidates, both right-wing and left-wing,
[00:10:36] are fighting to get to power, so that's quite
[00:10:40] ambiguous. But right now, there are countries that are already
[00:10:44] really seeing the possibility of joining
[00:10:47] the Shield of the Americas, and they are doing it very
[00:10:51] timidly, but they are getting closer. Argentina,
[00:10:54] Chile, is one of
[00:10:57] them. Costa Rica is also carrying out quite
[00:11:00] interesting work, and the last one, which is a bit complicated, is
[00:11:04] Honduras, where we are seeing how it could join
[00:11:09] of the Shield of the Americas, especially since Honduras is suffering
[00:11:13] the strongest blows, as is Guatemala, from organized
[00:11:16] crime and drug trafficking and Mexican
[00:11:19] cartels.
[00:11:21] Arturo, we're going to take a break. Now I ask you to stay with us. When we return,
[00:11:25] I will continue talking with Arturo Grandón, National Security, intelligence, defense, and
[00:11:29] antiterrorism analyst, and we are going to ask what is happening in Africa, where these drones are going from. Short
[00:11:33] break and we continue talking about
[00:11:34] this.
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[00:14:47] We continue our conversation with Arturo Grandón, an analyst in National Security, Intelligence, Defense
[00:14:51] and Anti-terrorism, about this movement of drones that the United States
[00:14:55] is making from Africa to Latin America.
[00:14:59] And precisely, Arturo, I wanted to talk about Africa. What happens
[00:15:02] with Africa? Why does the United States decide to move these drones from
[00:15:06] Africa? Is the danger in Africa over? Does it choose to leave
[00:15:08] Africa unprotected? Why are these
[00:15:12] drones taken from there? There have been
[00:15:15] several incidents in Africa. The last incident was
[00:15:19] now in August of this year where a
[00:15:22] drone, an MK9 Reaper,
[00:15:25] crashed in Djibouti, in the Horn of Africa,
[00:15:28] near the Chabelley Air Base,
[00:15:31] at Camp Lemonier,
[00:15:35] there, in reality,
[00:15:38] there were detentions in the Red Sea, but there were no
[00:15:41] civilian or military casualties, but this is a series of events that has been happening
[00:15:45] since 2014 onwards. For people to know, between 2014
[00:15:49] and 2015, there
[00:15:51] were documented incidents due to problems
[00:15:55] and failures with the drones in the electrical
[00:15:59] power supply. Then in May 2023, we had
[00:16:02] another problem with the
[00:16:06] drone systems
[00:16:09] and this forced some
[00:16:12] equipment worth 21 million dollars
[00:16:16] each to crash.
[00:16:19] Then the last one was now
[00:16:22] in Djibouti. But there have also been a series
[00:16:25] of situations. Let's not forget
[00:16:28] that the tactical deployment in
[00:16:32] Nigeria also ends, given
[00:16:36] that in Niger, the system
[00:16:39] is lost in 2026, given
[00:16:43] that, in reality, the new government
[00:16:47] did not want the United States to remain there, so
[00:16:50] there is no stable base
[00:16:54] in that location. Nigeria, in reality, where multiple
[00:16:58] Reapers were deployed,
[00:17:00] also about 200 American soldiers.
[00:17:04] Therefore, combat operations are restricted
[00:17:07] in the area. So, I think
[00:17:11] from that side, the United States has turned its
[00:17:14] attention to South America, which is ultimately
[00:17:18] what it is trying to regain or
[00:17:21] rescue, in order for them to have complete control
[00:17:25] of the American continent.
[00:17:28] But let's say that the threats they at some point saw in Africa
[00:17:32] to make all this deployment in that continent did not cease,
[00:17:36] in any case, it became complicated for them, but the threats, in principle,
[00:17:40] continue. The threats continue. Boko
[00:17:43] Haram, which is the terrorist group that is strongest
[00:17:46] in those places, continues
[00:17:50] its operations and the Islamic
[00:17:53] State province in West
[00:17:55] Africa also, but there
[00:17:59] have not been any major combat
[00:18:03] or major confrontations lately, but Boko
[00:18:06] Haram, which is the most established, continues to operate
[00:18:09] throughout the region and that has not been controlled,
[00:18:12] the same as what happened in Afghanistan. In this area, it has not been controlled by
[00:18:16] the Americans either.
[00:18:19] I was thinking while you were talking about Afghanistan, I mean, this could be partly
[00:18:22] due to the same logic of having first left
[00:18:25] Afghanistan, now leaving Africa. I mean, beyond whether the issues
[00:18:29] have been resolved or not, it could respond to that logic. Does it
[00:18:33] have to do with the logic that perhaps the blanket is too short, as they
[00:18:36] need it in America? Well, they have to take them out of Africa because there's no other place
[00:18:40] to take them out from. How do you interpret it? I
[00:18:44] would say that you guess it, it is indeed
[00:18:48] so, it is indeed so, because in reality the
[00:18:51] operations in Africa are not having a positive
[00:18:54] result, nor is there absolutely nothing
[00:18:58] to rescue, except the lives of the people who are being persecuted
[00:19:01] and executed by Boko Haram. But
[00:19:05] it is more important at this moment for the United States, the
[00:19:09] problem in all of South America, the Shield of the Americas, and of
[00:19:12] course, what is happening in Greenland, but in the southern
[00:19:16] part of our beloved America is what
[00:19:19] also has greater concern, and
[00:19:23] that's why Marco Rubio is traveling the
[00:19:25] area. So far we have focused
[00:19:29] from the perspective of the United States' needs. If we think about it in reverse, if we
[00:19:33] think about it from South America, does it help South America for these drones to patrol
[00:19:36] its territory? Does it help the countries of South America? Does it
[00:19:40] help them in their relationship with the United States? I mean,
[00:19:44] does it bring any benefit to South American countries
[00:19:47] to have these drones in their land, in their
[00:19:50] air? It should be, it should be,
[00:19:54] since these drones will primarily
[00:19:58] be used as intelligence
[00:20:02] gathering units, and that intelligence
[00:20:05] information supposedly should be
[00:20:08] exchanged with the countries to be able to put
[00:20:13] has been happening with the drug cartels, with the
[00:20:17] drug traffickers, and with transnational organized crime,
[00:20:21] which, in the years before
[00:20:24] 2025, more or less, this began in 2015
[00:20:27] onwards, a strong migration of criminal
[00:20:30] groups, criminal groups,
[00:20:33] and Mexican cartels
[00:20:37] to move to different countries to carry out
[00:20:40] their illicit business. Therefore,
[00:20:44] it should, as we are all more or less affected
[00:20:48] by this issue of drug trafficking and organized crime,
[00:20:52] it should be interesting the
[00:20:54] cooperation, dual,
[00:20:58] from the United States to the countries
[00:21:01] that have a greater problem with this scourge of drug trafficking
[00:21:05] and vice versa. Let's see if it's like that and not only used in one
[00:21:09] direction for the intelligence information that will
[00:21:11] be obtained. Lastly, you mentioned Marco
[00:21:15] Rubio, the Shield of the Americas, this new
[00:21:18] focus of the Trump administration to turn its attention back to Latin
[00:21:22] America. What happens if Trump doesn't do well in the midterm
[00:21:26] elections? Does this continue, can it slow down, does it depend
[00:21:29] on that, or does it go beyond the midterm elections in the United States, this whole
[00:21:33] issue? Well,
[00:21:36] the issue should be maintained over time, but it will
[00:21:39] depend on the arrival of a new government, if it goes
[00:21:43] badly for President Donald Trump, and
[00:21:46] what criteria and strategy the new
[00:21:50] authorities will use. But this
[00:21:53] should not have a political color, it should
[00:21:56] be maintained over time, because without security there is no development for any
[00:21:59] country. Therefore, this
[00:22:02] for countries to be able to develop
[00:22:06] regardless of who is governing in the United States,
[00:22:08] right? Arturo, thank you for being with
[00:22:11] us. That was Arturo Grandón, National Security, intelligence, defense, and
[00:22:15] antiterrorism analyst, who joined us from Washington and helped us understand a little about what
[00:22:30] later, has Venezuela changed, or just the
[00:22:33] facade? Behind the political movements, a UN mission
[00:22:37] warns that something remains intact and could be key to
[00:22:40] understanding what is happening in the country. We'll be back with this
[00:22:43] topic.
[00:22:57] A look at the reconstruction efforts of a city and the hope
[00:23:01] of a people determined to rise again. It evolved
[00:23:05] very quickly, and we never thought it would reach category
[00:23:08] five. And to understand what is happening, let's go
[00:23:12] to my colleague Ione Molinares in Washington.
[00:23:16] The explosion, well, we can see the dimension it had to take away
[00:23:20] the entire facade. We hear the protagonists,
[00:23:24] they made fun of us as mothers and fathers of the
[00:23:26] 43. Where she lived, a bomb fell. We are about to
[00:23:30] board this Mexican air force plane bound for
[00:23:33] Romania to get a complete picture. We are here
[00:23:37] as migrants to progress and help this country grow. There are great
[00:23:41] stories to know and many perspectives to analyze.
[00:23:44] Perspectives with Mario González, Monday to
[00:23:48] Friday on CNN.
[00:25:50] on CNN.
[00:26:00] In that placement of objects, assets, and
[00:26:03] relationships,
[00:26:07] that has been advanced. Let's not talk about other chapters such as equality between
[00:26:11] men and women, such as
[00:26:13] working conditions, such as the distribution of wealth, which is one
[00:26:17] of the problems that globalization has had, that is,
[00:26:21] well, you have to be thinking about a distribution of wealth
[00:26:25] that works and that does not create tensions, that
[00:26:28] part of the tension, and we no longer have time for that,
[00:26:32] of... of recent times, is very, very based
[00:26:35] in that tension produced by the global economy.
[00:26:52] CNN backed the journalistic team covering the White House after
[00:26:55] Donald Trump announced the prohibition of journalists from our
[00:26:59] network covering the White House. He said that he fully supports
[00:27:02] his team and that his journalists have a constitutional right to
[00:27:05] report without government interference. In the initial
[00:27:09] veto, the president also included MS Snown and Politico,
[00:27:13] although he did not rule out that more would come later. Trump tried to
[00:27:16] justify the measure by saying that it supposedly disseminates fake news
[00:27:20] and fictions about his administration. But let's remember
[00:27:23] that there is already an important precedent. In 2018, the
[00:27:26] White House tried to withdraw the credentials of CNN journalist
[00:27:30] Jim Acosta, but a federal judge
[00:27:33] temporarily ordered his access to be reinstated due to due
[00:27:37] process violations, although the president said that the veto is effective
[00:27:42] no indication that it has been put into
[00:27:45] practice.
[00:27:50] It was important to cover the trial of Genaro García Luna because this is
[00:27:54] the highest-ranking public official
[00:27:57] in Mexico to be prosecuted and
[00:28:00] convicted in the United States for drug trafficking.
[00:28:04] It was incredible to be there, to listen to
[00:28:07] these testimonies and to be able to learn
[00:28:10] exactly how drug cartels work
[00:28:14] and how they can operate with the
[00:28:17] support, many times, of government
[00:28:20] officials. Covering a federal trial in the United States is always
[00:28:24] a difficult task. You have to arrive at the
[00:28:27] court very early to secure a place
[00:28:31] inside the courtroom, but also because cameras are not
[00:28:34] allowed to record what is happening in the room,
[00:28:38] so you have to take notes. Imagine 8 hours
[00:28:42] taking notes of everything that is said, everything that happens,
[00:28:46] to be able to report it to you.
[00:29:41] We continue in conclusions and I ask you to join me from this
[00:29:57] States Forces of President Nicolás Maduro and his wife Cilia Flores,
[00:30:00] Venezuela has an interim government.
[00:30:03] Rodríguez, and the scenario began to change, to look somewhat
[00:30:06] different, at least in the political
[00:30:09] and economic spheres, especially with the United States,
[00:30:12] whose relationship took a 180-degree turn in diplomatic and
[00:30:15] commercial matters. But according to the United
[00:30:18] Nations Independent International Fact-Finding Mission,
[00:30:22] the structures responsible for repression
[00:30:25] remain intact. This is, in essence, the message of the
[00:30:29] new report presented this Wednesday. There are improvements.
[00:30:32] They are limited in human rights. There are releases from prison, an amnesty
[00:30:36] law, a somewhat greater margin for protests, public gatherings,
[00:30:40] and civil society participation. And the mission recognizes a
[00:30:45] detentions and forced disappearances,
[00:30:48] but this is where the list of decreases in abuses ends. According to the
[00:30:51] mission, the state institutions responsible for
[00:30:55] repression, serious human rights violations, and
[00:30:58] crimes against humanity.