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[00:00:22] We are CNN, the world
[00:00:25] leader in news.
[00:00:33] must maintain all Every election in Brazil, the
[00:00:36] world watches with attention, the fifth largest country on
[00:00:39] the planet, tenth world economy, more than a
[00:00:43] country, a continent within a continent, but
[00:00:47] force of this election is especially relevant, two surnames face
[00:00:50] each other again, although now it is the son and not the
[00:00:53] father, who represents the
[00:00:55] tensions, that part of Bolsonaro, Flavio versus
[00:00:58] Lula, a country. Brazil divided in two and
[00:01:02] where many vote more against a candidate than
[00:01:05] in favor of the one they decided to support. The geopolitical
[00:01:08] moment is key, President Trump not only supports Flavio
[00:01:12] Bolsonaro, but also imposed tariffs of
[00:01:15] 50% on Brazil for what he calls political
[00:01:19] persecution after the conviction of former president Jair Bolsonaro
[00:01:23] for attempted coup against Da Silva. Will Brazil
[00:01:28] they are completely be a counterweight or an ally of the United States in the coming years? It is a close election
[00:01:32] according to the polls and therefore
[00:01:35] much a reflection of unpredictable, where two diametrically opposed
[00:01:38] each other: religion,
[00:01:41] democracy, security, economy, all issues that
[00:01:44] with barely
[00:01:47] 3% of undecided and the more than
[00:01:51] open possibility of a second round. Sunday, October
[00:01:54] 4 or 25 of that same
[00:01:57] month, dates that will mark the... history of
[00:02:00] Brazil, how will the results of these elections
[00:02:04] the world, what are the urgencies of the South American
[00:02:06] giant, what is at stake for the democracy of that
[00:02:10] country, topic of global connection for CNN
[00:02:13] en Español.
[00:02:16] We begin the analysis and for that we are joined by Sabrina Almeida who is
[00:02:19] a researcher at the Instituto Democracia Inject, thank
[00:02:23] you very much for being with
[00:02:25] on people's confidence in us. Hello, Monica, hello everyone, thank
[00:02:28] you very much for the invitation. The first question, in general
[00:02:32] terms, what is at stake for Brazil in
[00:02:35] this election in which 158 million
[00:02:38] Brazilians have to
[00:02:43] fears are there regarding each one decide. Well, it's an
[00:02:46] election, as everyone knows, very
[00:02:50] important, very
[00:02:53] close, marked by many
[00:02:56] events, many...
[00:03:00] external to the campaigns,
[00:03:04] 9:30 in the morning from the Angel of for example,
[00:03:07] the crisis in the Supreme Federal Court
[00:03:10] here in
[00:03:13] I mentioned them. Brazil, geopolitical crises of external
[00:03:16] interferences, now in this stage of the
[00:03:20] campaign, a lot of misinformation,
[00:03:23] desinformativa,
[00:03:25] I think that because it is an election
[00:03:29] that is very close to the first
[00:03:32] round, it is very open,
[00:03:36] so every vote counts, it is important,
[00:03:39] population Sabrina, to ask, yes, yes,
[00:03:43] I hear you perfectly, to ask
[00:03:46] you, for you it is quite evident that there will be a second
[00:03:50] round, we are talking about the presidential elections, because there is also
[00:03:53] a renewal of important seats in the
[00:03:57] Senate and the entire Parliament, besides the
[00:04:00] regional ones, so the question is, for you it is evident that with 3% of
[00:04:04] undecided and the polls we have
[00:04:07] election in seen, there will be a second round, yes,
[00:04:10] yes, yes, very probably the
[00:04:13] electoral polls already
[00:04:17] show that there is a technical
[00:04:20] tie between the main
[00:04:25] should play, especially in candidates, so yes, the second round
[00:04:28] should happen. And I think
[00:04:32] that also in this
[00:04:35] stage the votes will be very
[00:04:38] tight, they will not
[00:04:41] be automatically transferred to the
[00:04:44] candidates who will support one or another
[00:04:48] candidate. I think
[00:04:51] that the support of the
[00:04:54] parties and the candidates will
[00:04:57] not influence the decision of the
[00:05:01] voters in a very decisive way. I think
[00:05:04] it will be something very
[00:05:06] disputed in the stage between one
[00:05:10] the world what is happening, I am at round and the second round. We know Luis Ignacio Lula Silva,
[00:05:14] if he achieves it, it would be his fourth term, he has many
[00:05:17] elections under his belt, a union leader, we already know about his
[00:05:20] career, but tell us a little more about who
[00:05:24] Flavio Bolsonaro is, for all those who listen to
[00:05:28] CNN en Español, besides knowing that he is the son of former president Jair
[00:05:32] Bolsonaro, who
[00:05:35] is he, what kind of
[00:05:37] leader?
[00:05:41] Well, the
[00:05:51] movement we call Bolsonarism
[00:05:55] is something that emerges with a
[00:05:59] opposition, the most important
[00:06:02] to the
[00:06:04] government since
[00:06:07] 2018 at
[00:06:08] least.
[00:06:11] He is a figure who was a parliamentarian for
[00:06:15] almost his entire political
[00:06:18] career, he is
[00:06:22] truly very allied to the
[00:06:25] center of political parties,
[00:06:28] more recently the
[00:06:31] right, and his
[00:06:34] project is very supported by the more
[00:06:37] liberal logic,
[00:06:40] cutting
[00:06:42] taxes and tariffs, very
[00:06:48] the government of
[00:06:51] Argentina by Javier Milei, a very
[00:06:54] explicit political ally and mobilized
[00:06:57] in his campaign, and it is true that, according to
[00:07:01] analysts, he would be the least
[00:07:04] ideological within the family and among the children,
[00:07:07] he is 45 years old, he was a councilman for 16
[00:07:11] years, then a senator. of Brazil. Is
[00:07:15] he more moderate than his father or
[00:07:17] not?
[00:07:20] I think that is an image that the campaign
[00:07:23] is already trying to
[00:07:25] sell,
[00:07:28] but in reality he is very much allied
[00:07:32] to the ideas that
[00:07:35] Bolsonarism brings. I think that for the
[00:07:39] campaign it is very useful to use
[00:07:43] this more moderate position
[00:07:45] to try to get the votes
[00:07:49] of more moderate
[00:07:53] candidates, but I think
[00:07:56] that it is not a moderate
[00:08:00] political proposal.
[00:08:04] I was only saying it in comparison with his father, as you told us, tax cuts, chemical
[00:08:08] castration, construction of mega-prisons like
[00:08:11] Bukele's, reduction of taxes and also
[00:08:14] reduction of the state, now a
[00:08:16] question
[00:08:19] things that are also in his plan to return these proposals
[00:08:22] exactly, exactly, that's why
[00:08:25] Does it weigh on
[00:08:28] Flavio Bolsonaro to be the son of
[00:08:32] Jair Bolsonaro? Does it help
[00:08:34] or harm him?
[00:08:39] I think it weighs a lot, I think it is
[00:08:42] the main banner of his
[00:08:45] campaign, I think it is the
[00:08:48] main reason for the voters
[00:08:51] who will vote in his
[00:08:55] campaign. The image of his
[00:08:58] father was also very mobilized in his
[00:09:01] campaign
[00:09:03] and
[00:09:05] I don't know if for other voters who are not
[00:09:09] exactly affiliated
[00:09:14] with the idea of Bolsonarism, if it is
[00:09:17] a prejudice, but I think
[00:09:21] that to make the opposition to the
[00:09:25] PT, to capture this
[00:09:28] part of anti-PTism,
[00:09:31] important
[00:09:33] and very effective that they use the
[00:09:37] image of his father. I understand and I want to close by asking you,
[00:09:40] how is Luis Ignacio
[00:09:43] Lula da Silva's last
[00:09:47] government evaluated today in
[00:09:50] Brazil? What are the
[00:09:54] lights and shadows, what are the strengths and
[00:09:57] weaknesses of Lula beyond his age? He is
[00:10:01] 80, Bolsonaro 45, and that has always been
[00:10:05] put in any campaign within the pros and cons,
[00:10:08] but how is Luis Ignacio Lula da Silva's government evaluated?
[00:10:15] It's a very important
[00:10:18] question, at this moment in the electoral polls the
[00:10:22] rejection in fact of
[00:10:26] Lula and Flavio is very high, it is around
[00:10:29] 50% for
[00:10:32] both, but I think it is much
[00:10:35] more a reflection of the society as a
[00:10:38] whole that adopts very different
[00:10:42] projects and very different
[00:10:45] political visions,
[00:10:48] but Lula
[00:10:50] bet on this
[00:10:53] campaign, he brings
[00:10:56] the legacy of the achievements of his government
[00:11:00] in all these
[00:11:04] years of PT government. Lula
[00:11:06] also bet on the idea
[00:11:10] that we cannot go back, we
[00:11:13] cannot lose
[00:11:17] our acquired rights.
[00:11:19] I understand,
[00:11:22] so Flavio puts himself as this
[00:11:25] option of change,
[00:11:28] but it's easier to say
[00:11:31] I'm different, I'm
[00:11:35] the change, but it's a very
[00:11:38] different project, when you analyze
[00:11:41] all the proposals in the
[00:11:44] socioeconomic aspect of social
[00:11:48] security, so
[00:11:53] antagonistic
[00:11:56] projects, Sabrina
[00:11:59] Almeida, researcher at the Democracy
[00:12:03] Insec Institute, thank you very much for
[00:12:06] joining us from Brazil, analyzing these
[00:12:10] weekend elections, thank
[00:12:13] you, Monica, it was a pleasure, hug, we will take
[00:12:17] a break and return with more analysis, what does this election in
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[00:15:54] We continue talking about this election, which is also parliamentary, not just
[00:15:58] presidential, so close in Brazil, and for that, as you can see
[00:16:02] on the screen, we contacted Sergio Fausto, political scientist and also
[00:16:06] executive director of the Fernando Henrique Cardozo Institute, it's a pleasure
[00:16:09] to talk to you again,
[00:16:12] likewise, Monica, let's see, I would like to ask you what does it mean
[00:16:16] in the current geopolitical
[00:16:18] context with the United States governed by President
[00:16:22] Donald Trump, and in the context of this initiative called
[00:16:25] "Shield for the Americas", what does the Brazilian
[00:16:29] election mean? Well, it means
[00:16:32] a lot, two scenarios, right? The two
[00:16:36] candidates who go to the second round, one is Lula,
[00:16:39] re-election, the other is Bolsonaro's son,
[00:16:43] Flavio Bolsonaro. Flavio Bolsonaro
[00:16:46] manifestly aligns with Donald
[00:16:49] Trump, that is, from the White House's point of view,
[00:16:53] having Flavio here is having an ally
[00:16:57] in the largest country in the region
[00:17:01] and very probably Brazil under the
[00:17:05] leadership perhaps of
[00:17:07] Bolsonaro would enter this
[00:17:11] regional scheme under the
[00:17:13] leadership of the United States, Shield of the Americas, and the
[00:17:17] only counterweight would basically be ideological
[00:17:20] and geopolitical strategy in Mexico, relevant I
[00:17:24] mean, yes, in this scenario, yes, Mexico would be
[00:17:27] the last trench, so to speak, well, along with
[00:17:31] Uruguay, obviously, but I am equating.
[00:17:35] Exactly, that Uruguay is
[00:17:38] a spectacular country, but
[00:17:40] it is a very small country, it does
[00:17:44] not have the relevance of Mexico and Brazil in the
[00:17:47] region, this does not mean that even if
[00:17:51] Flavio wins, Brazil will be
[00:17:55] 100% subservient to the United
[00:17:57] States, there is a long tradition of seeking
[00:18:00] autonomy in Brazil's foreign policy, yes,
[00:18:04] yes, this would somehow be maintained.
[00:18:08] For example, Brazil has relations with China that
[00:18:12] cannot be damaged and I believe
[00:18:14] that Flavio is clear about this, yes, and I
[00:18:18] tell you one thing, I was also studying his government program and I saw
[00:18:22] that one of the points was to preserve
[00:18:25] critical minerals for Brazil, and that is something that obviously at some point could
[00:18:28] come into conflict with the
[00:18:31] wishes or expectations of the United States, but I want
[00:18:34] to take you to another topic, I would like you to explain
[00:18:38] to those who are watching us the role that
[00:18:42] religion and evangelical churches play in Brazil
[00:18:45] in this election as in other previous ones.
[00:18:48] Well, this is a pattern that was established since the
[00:18:52] 2018 elections, when Flavio's
[00:18:55] father won, the right
[00:18:59] has about 70% of
[00:19:02] the evangelical vote in Brazil, which is
[00:19:05] a social group that has grown throughout
[00:19:09] the last decades, today
[00:19:12] it represents around 30% of the
[00:19:17] and continues to grow, it is in
[00:19:19] terms of its
[00:19:22] religiosity, a more intense
[00:19:26] religious group than Catholics who are still
[00:19:29] the majority, but and
[00:19:32] that is, I would say, the main
[00:19:35] pillar of the pure and hard right in Brazil
[00:19:39] and also with a
[00:19:42] population that used to vote for the PT,
[00:19:46] with scarce resources and who today also vote for a
[00:19:49] religion that accompanies them, that takes men out of alcoholism, that somehow is where the state
[00:19:53] is not, many times, exactly, exactly, it
[00:19:57] plays the role that the state
[00:20:02] the poorest areas of the peripheries of large
[00:20:05] metropolises, that
[00:20:08] is, it plays a very important social
[00:20:11] role, there is quite a lot of heterogeneity,
[00:20:14] it is very curious, it is not that
[00:20:18] it is a totally homogeneous group, but for
[00:20:21] some reason since
[00:20:23] 2018 in presidential
[00:20:27] elections they tend to vote more homogeneously
[00:20:30] than before, and that is why the Bolsonaros also place so much emphasis on
[00:20:34] issues like family, like being against sexual diversity and other issues. Now I
[00:20:37] ask you, yes, exactly, yes, I wanted to ask
[00:20:41] you what role the judiciary in Brazil is
[00:20:45] playing in Brazilian democracy and how it weighs in this election, if you
[00:20:48] can briefly explain the challenges that
[00:20:52] the Brazilian judiciary faces and the struggle in the Supreme
[00:20:56] Court of Brazil, and I tell you this because in a previous election, the
[00:20:59] first one I had to discuss with you in 2018 and cover
[00:21:02] on the ground in 2018, it was clear that
[00:21:06] Lula was in prison, Haddad represented the PT,
[00:21:09] and Bolsonaro won, and today Jair Bolsonaro is in prison
[00:21:13] and his son takes over and faces Lula.
[00:21:16] How are the challenges, do they have weight or not?
[00:21:20] The challenges are now
[00:21:23] brutal because we have a generalized
[00:21:25] crisis of distrust that reached the Supreme
[00:21:29] Court, in relation
[00:21:33] to the parties, distrust had been there for a long time, but
[00:21:36] now it reached the Supreme Court which plays a very
[00:21:40] important role in the
[00:21:42] constitutional engineering of Brazil, it is a very
[00:21:46] active Supreme Court that played a prominent role.
[00:21:50] Throughout the years, it was dragged into
[00:21:54] politics, it played an important role in
[00:21:56] containing Bolsonaro's authoritarian
[00:22:00] attempts, but it went
[00:22:02] too far, so to speak, and they are perceived
[00:22:06] today as a Supreme
[00:22:09] Court, with the exception of two or three
[00:22:12] very politicized judges and some of
[00:22:15] them with very strong indications of being involved
[00:22:19] in corruption, so you can
[00:22:21] imagine an institution that gained
[00:22:25] enormous prominence throughout the last
[00:22:28] years, judging
[00:22:31] corrupt politicians, judging very
[00:22:34] sensitive issues, sexuality, marriage between
[00:22:38] people of the same sex, and
[00:22:41] also very delicate political issues such as the conviction
[00:22:45] of Bolsonaro for the coup attempts, and
[00:22:49] now this institution is
[00:22:52] under brutal suspicion from all
[00:22:55] Brazilian society, that is, it is a major crisis
[00:22:59] and with repercussions on confidence in
[00:23:03] democracy, we could talk about the short-term
[00:23:06] effects on the elections, but I am more
[00:23:09] concerned about the medium and long-term effects
[00:23:15] democracy. To conclude, I would like to ask you what
[00:23:19] are the fears in
[00:23:22] Brazil, in a very polarized country, divided in two,
[00:23:25] one could say, today, if Lula wins or
[00:23:29] if Bolsonaro wins, what
[00:23:33] after what we also saw in Plan Alto and in Brasilia when
[00:23:36] Luis Ignacio Lula da Silva assumed
[00:23:40] the presidency again in his third term? For each
[00:23:43] of them, what fears do their opponents have?
[00:23:47] Fears, fears, fears. In relation
[00:23:51] to Lula, there is no
[00:23:55] fear that he will not be willing
[00:23:58] to face the country's fiscal
[00:24:01] problems and that if re-elected the
[00:24:04] country would slide towards an
[00:24:07] economic crisis, this is the main threat that
[00:24:11] people on Bolsonaro's
[00:24:13] side see. From
[00:24:17] Lula's side, pardon,
[00:24:20] from Lula's side, looking at the
[00:24:23] right-wing camp,
[00:24:26] the great fear is a
[00:24:29] repetition of the authoritarian attempts of Flavio's
[00:24:32] father's government, if
[00:24:36] Flavio is elected President of the Republic and
[00:24:39] after Lula, to conclude, that for not only
[00:24:43] the Latin American left but specifically also for the
[00:24:46] Workers' Party with a leadership that has marked decades.
[00:24:51] Yes, that is a great question, Monica, it is the tenth
[00:24:57] which Lula participates, seven times as a
[00:25:00] candidate, three times as the protagonist,
[00:25:03] even if he was not a candidate, I think
[00:25:07] it is an absolute record, and one of the problems
[00:25:11] is that he did not prepare his succession, he did not prepare
[00:25:15] his succession within his party, he did not prepare
[00:25:18] a broad front that could
[00:25:22] generate a successor in the center-left camp,
[00:25:24] so it is a major challenge,
[00:25:28] Sergio, thank you very much for joining us on
[00:25:32] Global Connection for all CNN
[00:25:40] Global Connection for CNN
[00:25:42] en Español.
[00:25:51] They're taking him out, but we have to inform the world about a coup, CNN,
[00:25:55] sir, please, we are international press, we have to inform
[00:26:00] the door of Congress, unfortunately not.
[00:26:32] relationships, we
[00:26:36] the progress that has been made, let's not talk about other chapters such as equality between
[00:26:40] men and women, such as
[00:26:42] working conditions, such as the distribution of wealth, which is
[00:26:46] one of the problems that globalization has had, that is,
[00:26:50] well, you have to be thinking about a distribution of
[00:26:52] wealth that works and does not create
[00:26:58] the tension and we no longer have time for that, of the
[00:27:01] last. Times is very, very
[00:27:05] based on that tension produced by the global economy.
[00:29:50] The most populated country in Latin America, above
[00:29:53] Mexico, the largest regional economic power with
[00:29:56] 2.3 trillion dollars of nominal
[00:29:59] GDP, interesting, key. Our
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