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[00:01:01] It's a small price to pay to keep the world safe, to keep our
[00:01:04] country safe, they can destroy a city, let them destroy Los Angeles, let
[00:01:08] them destroy San Diego, it's a very small price to pay, this will end soon,
[00:01:12] it's
[00:01:15] a small price to pay, Trump said in a speech,
[00:01:18] then he clarified it during the week, he said it was a small
[00:01:22] price to pay, if in the middle of the war
[00:01:26] Iran attacked Los Angeles and San
[00:01:28] Diego. and the cities disappeared, then he said
[00:01:31] that what he said was that he was not going to allow it, but that has generated a
[00:01:35] debate in the middle of this pre-election stage, thank you for
[00:01:39] joining us, I'm going to introduce our guests for this hour of
[00:01:42] clash of opinions, here in Washington is María Teresa
[00:01:46] Cardona, also Israel Ortega, from Los
[00:01:50] Angeles Octavio Pescador and in Miami is
[00:01:53] Andrés Flores, thank you all four for joining us, but I'm going to start
[00:01:57] with Octavio, Octavio, it's been a pleasure. working with you, we don't know the
[00:02:01] future of Los Angeles, so the idea is
[00:02:04] first, how do statements like these land? We know that Trump goes off
[00:02:08] script, sometimes things work out for him, sometimes not, this has been
[00:02:12] clarifying and those who support him have also been
[00:02:15] clarifying, but in Los Angeles, in San Diego, in California,
[00:02:18] especially the situation, the statement was not received very
[00:02:21] well, no, and it opened an opportunity for
[00:02:25] Gaven Newsom, the mayor, to come out
[00:02:27] and guard
[00:02:30] defending the state, he takes everyone, Juan
[00:02:34] Carlos, good morning everyone, colleagues, he takes
[00:02:38] everyone, the righteous and the sinners,
[00:02:40] country, left at 9:30
[00:02:40] voting, the cost of because remember that despite Trump, he has a
[00:02:43] third of the electorate with him, so here
[00:02:47] also if he decides to sacrifice
[00:02:50] California, Los Angeles and San Diego, and San Diego is a relatively
[00:02:54] conservative city
[00:02:57] here in compared to Los Angeles, that's why it's interesting. the mayor himself, who
[00:03:00] is a not
[00:03:03] to say radical mayor, also comes out
[00:03:06] in San Diego to make
[00:03:09] this counter-offensive because it's
[00:03:11] very
[00:03:13] well, the truth is, I'm going to tell you very
[00:03:16] and what they will mainly do sincerely, it's demeaning to society because it's saying
[00:03:20] it's like they can take that, as if to say that's trash, we don't
[00:03:24] care, we're going to save the rest of the country, but there's the trash,
[00:03:28] who is the largest population? uh extensive in Los
[00:03:31] Angeles, I mean, the
[00:03:34] name itself tells you, so it's very
[00:03:38] insulting, he now has
[00:03:41] to in one way or another, he has tried but it's too
[00:03:44] late to retract
[00:03:48] and the damage he did, look, everything is
[00:03:51] really being played for
[00:03:53] meaning defending against control of the Senate, the lower house has already been decided, but
[00:03:57] because Republicans and Democrats are there are... variations in the
[00:04:00] polls, but Texas and the southern part of
[00:04:04] Texas, the Latinos from
[00:04:06] won the Nobel Prize, who received the Nobel Peace Prize, there, turned against Trump and were the ones who helped
[00:04:09] him win, and the redistricting with Latinos
[00:04:14] this is not a president who is well in the turning against them will turn out worse than they thought, so they can lose the Senate in Texas and
[00:04:18] that's why it was
[00:04:21] a, let's say, a blunder, let's call it a
[00:04:24] discursive error to have singled out a
[00:04:28] population because it doesn't say. the population of Latinos or
[00:04:31] Mexicans or it says Los Angeles and San Diego, which in the
[00:04:35] subtext you understand, well, he's talking about me, so let them
[00:04:38] take them, those in Texas will also feel it, also in
[00:04:42] there are few but in Michigan and other places, so that does
[00:04:45] affect them and especially young men
[00:04:49] who went because many young Latinos, just like young
[00:04:53] whites, are the ones who gave him that advantage, who are not in
[00:04:56] any party but participate and now feel offended. and
[00:05:00] as he says he's on the ballot, well, obviously it can be very
[00:05:03] counterproductive for him. Israel, there are so many issues in the
[00:05:07] campaign and there are so many statements from Trump and there are so many contests at the same
[00:05:11] time, do you think this will cost him, the other day I
[00:05:14] reported on how he is upset because many candidates don't want him to campaign
[00:05:18] with them, how do you see the Trump factor for these elections
[00:05:21] on November
[00:05:30] obviously, has to say whether Trump is going to help them or
[00:05:34] hurt them, I think we are already seeing this in the campaign, it's not a theory
[00:05:38] no, I think we are seeing that in some cases, some Republicans
[00:05:41] are going to distance themselves from Trump, but
[00:05:45] there is no doubt that Republicans have
[00:05:48] very little time, really, to
[00:05:52] make their argument for why they need to maintain control of Congress.
[00:05:56] I think that the central issue for
[00:05:59] the electorate continues to be the economy,
[00:06:02] unemployment is falling but to levels that perhaps we would like to see
[00:06:06] fall even further, and obviously inflation. So, obviously, I think
[00:06:10] that the president wants to make
[00:06:13] the argument that by giving the keys to the Democrats, to
[00:06:17] the socialists, it would not help the economy,
[00:06:20] instead, it would be even worse. So,
[00:06:24] obviously, that is the argument that President
[00:06:27] Trump is making. Sometimes he is careless
[00:06:31] with how he speaks, and we are having to talk about this, but it's no surprise, I don't
[00:06:35] think the president has a desire to say things that we then have to
[00:06:39] talk and discuss about for weeks and months.
[00:06:42] So, I think the issue for me and for the Republicans on the
[00:06:46] ballot is how to make the argument that they should
[00:07:03] moment of distraction for Trump, of discomfort over what his
[00:07:07] advisors have told him publicly and privately, it's a panorama that
[00:07:11] doesn't favor the governing party. He insisted on his networks with an offer of
[00:07:15] $5 for all adults if Republicans win.
[00:07:18] And he's the one who keeps this topic going, it's not a media
[00:07:22] topic, yes, look, uh, Trump is
[00:07:25] entering a stage of complete
[00:07:28] desperation, because he also sees the polls, although he
[00:07:32] wants to say that they are false, that the media
[00:07:35] is false, that they are reporting
[00:07:38] stories that are not true,
[00:07:42] he knows that... they are true, his advisors
[00:07:45] know they are true, we just have to look at where
[00:07:49] they are investing money to know what
[00:07:53] the internal polls are showing them, and the fact that they
[00:07:56] are investing money and traveling to states
[00:08:00] that historically have been
[00:08:02] completely led by Republicans,
[00:08:06] means they are afraid that the Democrats
[00:08:08] are taking advantage of this. The
[00:08:12] states, speaking of California, this also
[00:08:16] gives a lot of momentum to
[00:08:19] Javier Becerra's campaign for governor,
[00:08:23] because speaking of Los Angeles and San
[00:08:27] Diego, I think he meant San Francisco and it didn't
[00:08:30] come out, but that
[00:08:33] actually makes more sense, right Octavio?
[00:08:37] But it's a shame and, as Octavio
[00:08:40] said, a complete insult. Not only to the people of Los Angeles and San
[00:08:44] Diego, all of California, to the entire country, the fact
[00:08:48] that the President of the United States is
[00:08:50] inviting the terrorists from Iran
[00:08:54] to come and plant a nuclear bomb
[00:08:57] in a state like California, a
[00:09:01] state as economically important as California, imagine
[00:09:04] if a Democratic president had done
[00:09:08] that, the Republicans would be
[00:09:11] pulling their hair out. in
[00:09:14] flames, already talking about getting
[00:09:18] him out of the White House, it's just so
[00:09:21] out of the ordinary, but I think people already understand that
[00:09:27] head, and Republicans, that's why they are
[00:09:30] trying to distance themselves from Donald Trump, and it's already
[00:09:33] too late. Now, I would say this, you talked about distraction, Juan Carlos,
[00:09:37] I think this is indeed a distraction, an insult and
[00:09:40] everything, but it is a distraction.
[00:09:43] Because the main issue for the
[00:09:46] voters of the United States, whether they are Latinos,
[00:09:49] African Americans, women, men,
[00:09:52] independents, young people, and
[00:09:55] even Maga voters within his own
[00:09:59] party, are concerned with the economy, and they see that
[00:10:02] this president and the Republicans have betrayed them on that
[00:10:06] issue, which was the issue that helped them win in
[00:10:09] 2024. The fact that they have invested millions,
[00:10:13] billions of dollars in the war in Iran that no one wanted, no one
[00:10:16] needed, and 75% of United
[00:10:19] States voters are against that war and they continue with that
[00:10:23] war without any strategy on how to get out,
[00:10:27] Americans say, well, they're going to put gas in their car,
[00:10:30] they don't have how to put gas, they don't have how to pay when they go to the
[00:10:34] supermarket, it's that kind of
[00:10:37] desperation they won't tolerate,
[00:10:41] the voters, and that's why they're giving their support to the Democrats
[00:10:44] and the Republicans also in desperation
[00:10:48] are trying to paint the Democrats as if we were
[00:10:51] socialists, communists, radicals, and that's not working
[00:10:54] either. because people see what they are
[00:10:57] paying in the supermarkets and they say no,
[00:11:01] you promised to lower inflation, lower prices,
[00:11:05] not get into foreign wars,
[00:11:08] just deport criminals and you're deporting my
[00:11:11] family, no, not anymore, enough,
[00:11:21] allow it, but it opens part of the discussion. and we have to take into account,
[00:11:24] we are less than a month away from these midterm elections, the polls
[00:11:28] favor the Democrats, but we already have
[00:11:31] ample precedent, ample precedent that the polls
[00:11:34] are not always accurate, how do you see the
[00:11:38] impact or and how do you see this political moment?
[00:11:41] Well, look, I think those statements are
[00:11:45] disastrous, I think there is a formal analysis and another
[00:11:49] substantive one. The formal one seemed absolutely terrifying to me that he would have
[00:11:53] said that and the people backstage who were listening would have
[00:11:57] died laughing, it would have seemed hilarious to them, that seems
[00:12:00] terrible to me, uh, imagine, if
[00:12:03] you are a Republican and you live in San
[00:12:07] Diego or Los Angeles and you hear that, what can you
[00:12:10] think of the President of the United States, who is the first
[00:12:14] Republican saying that? I think formally
[00:12:17] terrible, substantively, well, needless to say, I think the initial
[00:12:21] statement was terrible, to say that destroying that city
[00:12:25] is a minuscule, minor price, well, very
[00:12:28] bad, I don't think there's anything to say about that, but the clarification is
[00:12:32] equally bad when he clarifies what he says, no, I was
[00:12:36] referring to the price of gasoline, and he forgets
[00:12:39] that the number one issue today in the
[00:12:43] midterm elections is the economy, and in the
[00:12:46] economy, the price of gasoline, it seems incredible to me
[00:12:50] that he is trying to win votes
[00:12:52] justifying something like the rise in gasoline due to a
[00:12:56] war in Iran, one cannot forget how much gasoline has risen
[00:12:59] since the war began, jet fuel almost
[00:13:03] 95%, gasoline as much as
[00:13:06] 50%, well, trying to say that this is a
[00:13:09] minor price, etc., that comes across very badly, I think
[00:13:12] that being Petro, sorry, Trump, seems a
[00:13:16] bit like Petro, a junk
[00:13:20] for any party, anything he says will sink anyone
[00:13:23] when he moves. All he does is affect, he's a
[00:13:27] small Republican
[00:13:30] harming the Republican party,
[00:13:33] and that's the dynamic we enter when we return from the break to talk about the
[00:13:37] political moment and the question is whether
[00:13:41] the Democrats' lead in the polls is because Democrats are
[00:13:45] proposing solutions or because Republicans are not doing it. We'll
[00:13:49] be back.
[00:14:01] The fight this time is that the
[00:14:05] administration wants a sharp cut in interest
[00:14:09] rates to boost the economy, but
[00:14:13] the Fed, which has price stability as one of its two mandates,
[00:14:18] inflation, believes that if it does that, if it makes a
[00:14:22] sharp cut, it would trigger inflation,
[00:14:26] and a scenario with growth problems and at the same time
[00:14:30] inflation, that is, what is called
[00:14:31] stagflation,
[00:14:34] that is precisely what Powell's Fed
[00:14:36] wants to avoid, Jerome Powell.
[00:17:26] in the midst of an election that has the control of
[00:17:29] Congress at risk for Republicans, I start with Israel here in Washington.
[00:17:33] Israel, the polls are a reflection of the moment,
[00:17:36] and at this moment they speak
[00:17:39] of a blue wave, the color of the Republican
[00:17:42] party, but we know that polls are not always
[00:17:46] accurate. How optimistic or
[00:17:49] pessimistic are you about the results for Republicans
[00:17:52] in these elections and how confident do you see the
[00:17:56] Democrats based on what the polls say? Look,
[00:17:59] we always know that historically, the
[00:18:02] party that controls the White House usually loses
[00:18:06] seats in the elections. So, Republicans were already
[00:18:09] entering an electoral map that was not favorable
[00:18:12] to them, and obviously, with the economy and inflation that
[00:18:16] we have recently discussed, that will also obviously impact
[00:18:20] the party in control.
[00:18:23] For the Democrats, obviously, the Democrats feel very confident.
[00:18:27] If you talk to them, they are not
[00:18:30] talking about whether they will win a majority, but how big the majority will
[00:18:34] be. But I think the question I would
[00:18:37] like to hear from the Democrats is what they will do if
[00:18:41] they gain control of Congress, and I think that's where there are
[00:18:45] very few details. If I had to bet on what
[00:18:48] the Democrats will do if they control Congress, the first thing they will do
[00:18:54] is investigate Trump, investigate Republicans.
[00:18:57] Essentially, it will be a Congress that will spend
[00:19:01] all its time investigating what the American people need, which is how
[00:19:05] to grow the economy. I think they have very few
[00:19:07] ideas there, and I think I'm not the one saying
[00:19:11] that Republicans or that Republicans are saying that
[00:19:14] Democrats are socialists, they themselves are identifying as
[00:19:18] socialists, so I think when you see and hear
[00:19:21] AOC, you hear the socialists who are gaining
[00:19:24] control of the Democratic party, you see that it's
[00:19:28] more communist, socialist ideas, and I think we all
[00:19:31] know how that ends, we can
[00:19:38] can you respond? Look, Republicans are talking
[00:19:42] as if everyone in the Democratic Party
[00:19:45] is a socialist, and that is simply not true.
[00:19:49] At the end of the day, when the Democrats
[00:19:52] take control of Congress, there will probably
[00:19:56] be two or three candidates or members of
[00:19:59] Congress who are aligned with the party
[00:20:02] in English called Democratic Socialist, the Democratic Socialists of
[00:20:06] America. That's all, it won't be
[00:20:09] a majority, they won't be in leadership, so
[00:20:13] that's why this issue that Democrats are
[00:20:16] socialists, etc., radicals, is not
[00:20:20] working for them as a message, because number one it's not true,
[00:20:23] and number two it's a distraction about the
[00:20:27] betrayal of Trump and the Republicans on those
[00:20:30] economic issues, and I'm going to tell my friend
[00:20:33] Israel that the Democrats do have plans when they
[00:20:37] take control of Congress to lower
[00:20:40] costs, to take power away from Republicans, for
[00:20:44] example, the law they
[00:20:48] passed last year
[00:20:50] that they call the big beautiful bill that snatched
[00:20:54] healthcare from Medicaid from millions of
[00:20:59] that back to the American people for those people who
[00:21:03] currently do not have healthcare, who have gotten sick,
[00:21:06] many have died because of the Republicans, number one, number
[00:21:10] two, we are also going to put help for those who
[00:21:13] need to, who want the Affordable Care
[00:21:17] Act insurance, who were deprived of the way
[00:21:21] to help with that insurance, we are also going to give it to them,
[00:21:24] number two, number three, wait, wait, you asked for
[00:21:27] plans, I'm giving you the plans,
[00:21:31] number three, we are going to
[00:21:34] once again take back for Congress the
[00:21:39] money, right, the power of the purse, because
[00:21:42] that under the control of the Republicans was given
[00:21:46] completely to the White House, so when they want to
[00:21:50] ask for more billions. billions of dollars
[00:21:53] to support the war in Iran, the Democrats will say, you know
[00:21:56] what, absolutely not, we're going to use
[00:22:00] that money to help the voters who
[00:22:04] need help here, and those are the Democrats' economic plans.
[00:22:07] Maria, I think the control of the purse, as you point out, is what the Democrats want,
[00:22:11] look, if the Democrats win Congress, they will surely
[00:22:14] raise taxes, you point out that tax cut bill, it helped
[00:22:18] many Americans too, not just the wealthy
[00:22:21] around $300 is what all
[00:22:25] working families in this country saved, so
[00:22:29] this idea, this idea that
[00:22:33] no, but what I propose is that if the Democrats win,
[00:22:37] taxes will go up because for everything that the Democrats promise, there is no
[00:22:40] way that you can only pay for that with
[00:22:44] millionaires, eventually the middle class
[00:22:47] will also have to pay. Of course. There is a way, if
[00:22:51] you put a tax on the richest, on billionaires,
[00:22:55] and force corporations to pay the taxes that
[00:22:58] they should be paying, that can give
[00:23:02] it the boost that is needed to support the
[00:23:05] programs that the Republicans have cut, simply, the thing is
[00:23:09] that the Republicans don't want to do that to
[00:23:15] vote or not vote, because there are many Republicans, supporters of President
[00:23:19] Trump who have said: they simply will not vote because they feel that the
[00:23:22] president has not delivered for many reasons, and it's not just that
[00:23:26] people vote but also that people stop
[00:23:30] living, Juan Carlos, is summarized
[00:23:33] in I have
[00:23:36] a certain amount of resources to
[00:23:39] live and I am not living as I used to live,
[00:23:42] you said it on the previous occasion when I was
[00:23:47] the elections, in the economy, Clinton said it and
[00:23:51] others said it, the
[00:23:53] the secret is the economy
[00:23:57] and the economy is not good, that's why
[00:24:00] now, as Maria also said, they are
[00:24:03] redirecting their resources to states
[00:24:07] where it was impossible to think that Trump won by more than 20 points in Kansas,
[00:24:11] for example, that means, hey,
[00:24:14] that that is the variable and as you rightly say, Juan Carlos, the
[00:24:18] polls are wrong and those independents can
[00:24:22] make a difference in some places, but Republicans have already calculated
[00:24:26] that those independents do not have the
[00:24:28] incentive to vote for us, one because of the cost of living, which
[00:24:32] is the most important, and two because some sympathize with Trump's
[00:24:36] policies a lot, but they no
[00:24:39] longer have that empathy with him, so they are
[00:24:43] focusing their resources on getting out the base,
[00:24:46] because if the base doesn't come out, it will be very difficult for Republicans.
[00:24:50] Well, let's go to the break, we'll be back, this Friday it was announced who
[00:24:56] it was not Donald Trump, we'll talk about that and more, we'll be back.
[00:25:12] But regardless of that, the truth is that everything that happens in the world is
[00:25:16] somehow stirring things up, and Latin America, with all the
[00:25:20] aspects that are there, as you said, of elections,
[00:25:24] of a treaty between Mexico and Canada and the United
[00:25:27] States, will have the spotlight on it, and it comes at a time when the
[00:25:31] markets, to continue a bit with our focus today on
[00:25:34] markets, have also been doing quite
[00:25:38] well, and there are
[00:25:41] expectations that, although they are certainly difficult to anticipate,
[00:25:44] they are
[00:25:46] moving in a way
[00:25:50] they haven't in many years.
[00:28:05] The need to emigrate knows no age. Many
[00:28:08] say they want to reach Mexico City, but others seek
[00:28:12] to go further
[00:28:13] north.
[00:28:16] The Mexican army's anti-drone battalion consists of
[00:28:20] these types of jamming elements to bring down drones
[00:28:23] that have become a threat. The
[00:28:27] Chiapas authorities have detected a cattle smuggling
[00:28:30] point. This is one. one of the illegal
[00:28:34] crossing points for cattle from Central America to
[00:28:37] Mexico, thousands of protesters, workers from this
[00:28:42] in the morning from the Angel of Independence. I am in
[00:28:46] the municipality of Teuchitlán, in the Mexican state of
[00:28:49] Jalisco. Here the discovery was macabre by collectives
[00:28:52] of searching people for missing persons. What
[00:28:56] made you come here with the suspicion that your son might be on this
[00:29:00] ranch?
[00:29:06] a moment, the conversation continues on Clash of Opinions, another Nobel
[00:29:09] Peace Prize not awarded to President Trump.
[00:29:24] The fight this time is that the
[00:29:27] administration wants a sharp cut in interest
[00:29:31] rates to boost the economy, but
[00:29:35] the Fed, which has one of its mandates his two mandates, price
[00:29:39] stability, is to defend ourselves from
[00:29:41] inflation. He believes that if he does that, if he makes a
[00:29:45] sharp cut, it would trigger inflation,
[00:29:49] and a scenario with growth problems and at the same time inflation,
[00:29:52] that is, what is called this
[00:29:55] stagflation, that is precisely what
[00:29:58] the Fed of Powell
[00:30:01] wants to avoid.