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[00:00:02] that investigation, yes, of
[00:01:29] been determined by
[00:02:11] clarify, it is part of
[00:02:21] How are you? Good evening, thank you for
[00:02:24] in the modus joining me, welcome, welcome to Conclusiones, it's good that
[00:02:26] you are here, this, this as every night.
[00:02:32] Fugitive from justice,
[00:02:34] from being a candidate on Sunday, candidate
[00:02:38] for president on Sunday,
[00:02:42] today, Tuesday, he is a fugitive from justice, I am talking
[00:02:45] about Flavio Bolsonaro, and
[00:02:49] yes, even though he was told by the justice system that he could not leave the country
[00:02:53] and to surrender his passport, today
[00:02:56] he has arrived in the United States.
[00:03:02] 2007 where there was FARC As incredible as it may seem how things can change in little over 50 hours, from being
[00:03:05] a presidential candidate with a chance to win the
[00:03:09] election on Sunday, today
[00:03:12] he is a fugitive from justice, but not only
[00:03:15] that, this situation is
[00:03:19] approved by the government of the
[00:03:22] did not hesitate to give details of what United States, approved, what situation? Well, his arrival in US territory, because he will also
[00:03:26] be granted the necessary papers to be able to stay here, that is,
[00:03:30] they will give him a visa, not only to him, but also to his
[00:03:33] family, so Flavio Bolsonaro not only fled the
[00:03:37] country, but was received by the government of the
[00:03:40] United States with all due process,
[00:03:43] literally, all due process, he will then be
[00:03:47] here where his brother already lives, while Brazilian
[00:03:50] justice will have to see what to do, the truth
[00:03:54] is that it has also become a bilateral
[00:03:57] conflict, because with all... reason, if the United
[00:04:01] States receives him with open arms and grants him the
[00:04:04] documents, obviously in Brazil there is annoyance, there
[00:04:08] is annoyance from the re-elected president Lula da
[00:04:11] Silva, also, of course, from the
[00:04:14] Brazilian justice system, I told
[00:04:17] you on Monday itself, on Monday itself that the
[00:04:20] legal situation, the
[00:04:23] judicial situation of Flavio Bolsonaro was going to be
[00:04:26] had to do with the investigations
[00:04:30] against him, these investigations against him, that they were going to
[00:04:34] continue after the election, well, apparently, in order
[00:04:37] not to face those investigations, he decides to
[00:04:41] flee, how he did it and where
[00:04:44] is still unknown, it is still not
[00:04:48] clear where he
[00:04:51] fled from, with what
[00:04:52] 2023 electoral campaign of documents he left and how he coordinated everything, because apparently
[00:04:56] there was coordination,
[00:04:59] at least, at least on that flight that we still don't
[00:05:03] know where it departed from, there are rumors, there
[00:05:06] are those who say it was through Argentina, with help from
[00:05:09] Argentina, for many obviously the... scenario of
[00:05:12] Argentina is not so far-fetched because well, we know the
[00:05:16] position of Argentine President Javier Milei regarding
[00:05:19] Lula da Silva and Milei's stance regarding the
[00:05:23] government of the United States, President Donald Trump, the truth is
[00:05:26] that now, now a new chapter begins in the
[00:05:29] relationship between the United States and Brazil, in the Lula
[00:05:33] Trump relationship, it was already tense at the beginning of this new
[00:05:36] mandate or at the close of the electoral process, how
[00:05:40] will it continue? How will that relationship
[00:05:44] continue with Flavio Bolsonaro in between and a United States that
[00:05:48] receives and protects him after all when he is sought
[00:05:52] by the Brazilian justice system, so that's how it
[00:05:55] is in our Latin America, on a Sunday you can be a
[00:05:59] presidential candidate and on Tuesday a fugitive from
[00:06:03] justice, we will be talking about that, we also revisit
[00:06:06] the topic of Ecuador that remains
[00:06:09] pending analysis and understanding.
[00:06:13] What was done with a video in which
[00:06:17] the case of Luisa González is discussed
[00:06:19] completely, when there is still no
[00:06:23] sentence and the process is still ongoing,
[00:06:26] the trial, those are the two topics tonight, let's start, if you agree, with
[00:06:30] Ecuador.
[00:06:36] So I ask you to join me from this moment on by using the hashtag Conclu González, the
[00:06:40] hashtag is Conclu González, your comments on my account.
[00:06:42] x @soyfdelrincón
[00:06:44] @soyfdelrincón
[00:06:48] The hypothesis being investigated by the prosecutor's office points to the
[00:06:51] entry of cash from Venezuela that would have
[00:06:55] financed the 2023 presidential campaign of the
[00:06:59] duo Luisa González and Andrés
[00:07:01] Arauz.
[00:07:04] As you heard, that's a small fragment, it's a high-ranking official of the
[00:07:08] Ecuadorian government who published that video on Friday on his X account.
[00:07:13] In which, in quotation marks,
[00:07:15] he explains the case for which former presidential candidate
[00:07:19] Luisa González was arrested, it is part, I want to
[00:07:24] the administration of President Daniel Noboa, that
[00:07:27] is, it is part of the executive branch, not the
[00:07:31] prosecutor's office, not the Public Ministry, which is responsible for directing
[00:07:34] the prosecutor's office, with full
[00:07:37] autonomy, the investigation
[00:07:40] before, during.
[00:07:43] uh criminal proceedings and until a sentence, a final
[00:07:47] determination is reached, it is the prosecutor's office with full autonomy.
[00:07:50] Now, we are talking about the case called Labyrinth, if you didn't
[00:07:54] know, possible corruption, money laundering,
[00:07:58] is being investigated, in this video of almost 7 minutes that has
[00:08:01] editing, that many content creators would
[00:08:03] wish for, it is starring Ana Paula Patiño,
[00:08:07] who is Ana Paula Patiño? She is the general director of the financial
[00:08:10] economic analysis unit.
[00:08:13] You see, Ana Paula Patiño is practically the director of
[00:08:17] that unit that is responsible for monitoring and
[00:08:20] investigating financial and economic issues, such as money
[00:08:24] laundering. So, also in that video is the Secretary
[00:08:28] of Public Administration, Planning and Cabinet, who is José Julio
[00:08:31] Neira, who
[00:08:34] Luisa González is accused of,
[00:08:36] listen. The evidence is in the
[00:08:40] chats, on June
[00:08:42] 26, 2023, a collaborator in the
[00:08:45] investigation wrote to a contact
[00:08:48] identified on his cell phone as Aquiles Álvarez
[00:08:52] 1, he asked him about the overall campaign
[00:08:55] budget.
[00:08:59] The proof is in the chats, it says: not only that, on several
[00:09:03] occasions both Neira and Patiño speak of the
[00:09:05] implicated, and they are careful to identify them as
[00:09:09] alleged and presumed, even using verbs in
[00:09:12] conditional like "would have". In the
[00:09:15] video description, Neira states it, unconditionally,
[00:09:19] I will quote her textually, open quotes. Luisa has been
[00:09:23] arrested for financing her campaign with money without verifiable
[00:09:26] justification, outside the law. Close
[00:09:28] quotes. Condemnatory,
[00:09:32] completely condemnatory. It doesn't say that it's being
[00:09:35] investigated, but rather it takes for granted that
[00:09:39] Luisa has been arrested for financing her
[00:09:42] campaign. with money without verifiable justification outside the
[00:09:45] law for financing her campaign with money without
[00:09:49] there is no room for
[00:09:52] investigation this reviewing evidence uh
[00:09:55] to prove it is not for financing her campaign
[00:09:59] decisive no this in reference to the
[00:10:04] the main accused, Luisa González, the
[00:10:08] main opposition
[00:10:11] of the current government of the.
[00:10:14] The leader of the Correa-aligned opposition, a
[00:10:18] figure very close to former president Rafael Correa,
[00:10:21] anyway, let's see, as we informed you, González was arrested on
[00:10:25] Thursday, yes, it was within the framework of
[00:10:27] the labyrinth, the defense denies that there is evidence linking
[00:10:31] González to the alleged illicit contributions and has already appealed the pre-trial
[00:10:35] detention because she was given pre-trial detention. On
[00:10:38] Friday, lawyer Diego Guarderas told me here
[00:10:41] that they rejected the accusations, uh, that
[00:10:44] he ruled out that they have technical elements, that he hadn't
[00:10:47] even seen the file and
[00:10:51] he reproached that the case was being handled on what he called a completely
[00:10:55] tilted playing field.
[00:10:58] Let's see, it will be up to justice to determine if there are sufficient elements to sustain the
[00:11:02] accusation, but it has not proven it yet,
[00:11:06] yes, there are many elements of proof possibly, but
[00:11:09] from there to it having been proven, that point has not yet
[00:11:12] been reached, but while that
[00:11:15] happens, the government, then the
[00:11:17] government has already disseminated its own version of the case
[00:11:21] according to the findings they have and that they should have delivered to the...
[00:11:25] prosecutor's office and surely they did,
[00:11:28] but there are many, many important articles that we will talk about during the
[00:11:32] interview, no, in fact the president of Ecuador
[00:11:35] Daniel also contributed to this
[00:11:38] narrative, he affirmed without presenting evidence from the president that
[00:11:42] correísmo has been financed with money from drug trafficking and organized
[00:11:44] crime, it is a declaration, it is not a
[00:11:48] proven fact, it is an accusation that has not
[00:11:54] justice. He says: if there are elements to make this accusation and it
[00:11:58] has to be resolved in court, it must be done,
[00:12:00] definitely, but saying it without
[00:12:04] substantiating it, that's another
[00:12:06] story.
[00:12:08] He said that there are indications against Luisa González, although in the end
[00:12:12] he acknowledged that the trial and more information are still needed, which is the
[00:12:16] correct thing to do, it is prudent, it is coherent,
[00:12:19] it is to respect the separation of powers,
[00:12:22] yes, he pointed out.
[00:12:25] Alleged links with criminal gangs, here former president Rafael Correa, is a
[00:12:29] fugitive from justice, Rafael Correa, we must be
[00:12:31] clear,
[00:12:33] we must be clear, Rafael Correa is a fugitive from Ecuadorian justice,
[00:12:37] Correa has rejected all the accusations, etc., he reiterates his support
[00:12:40] for González, he has criticized the government of Noboa, so there is an
[00:12:43] evident clash between
[00:12:47] the opposition, represented by Rafael Correa, Luisa González and the president's
[00:12:50] government, but one cannot fall into a narrative in which
[00:12:54] one seeks to influence public
[00:12:57] opinion, to condemn or to lynch a person
[00:13:01] in the media when there is still no ruling from the
[00:13:03] justice system, why not? Because then it gives all the
[00:13:07] justification to that opposition that accuses political
[00:13:10] persecution,
[00:13:12] justice still has to determine criminal responsibilities, but in
[00:13:16] political terrain it seems they are anticipating a
[00:13:20] verdict, building a
[00:13:23] narrative,
[00:13:26] offering what not even the Public Ministry itself has
[00:13:28] offered,
[00:13:31] what is the intention, and why has it not been done in other
[00:13:33] cases?
[00:13:36] No, this comment and this question I made, had great
[00:13:40] repercussions in Ecuador, and I personally know, I have the
[00:13:44] pleasure of personally knowing José Julio Neira, who is the Secretary
[00:13:48] General of Public Administration of Ecuador, of
[00:13:51] course the space is always open for everyone who wants to be here, and
[00:13:55] kindly José Julio accepts to be here to
[00:13:58] explain to us and contrast what was done in that
[00:14:02] video with what perhaps should not have
[00:14:06] been done or why it was done and they had the right and reason to
[00:14:10] do it, to clarify all this and give
[00:14:13] transparency to this accusation that is being made
[00:14:17] about trying to influence public opinion and mediatically
[00:14:20] lynch someone who is not yet found guilty, namely Luisa
[00:14:24] González and the others involved, what will José
[00:14:27] Julio have to say about this, I will listen with great
[00:14:30] pleasure after the break, he is ready, he is the Secretary General of Public
[00:14:33] Administration of Ecuador, I'll be back with him.
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[00:15:08] inflation, believes that if it does that, if it makes a
[00:15:12] sharp cut, it would trigger inflation,
[00:15:16] and a scenario with growth problems and at the same time
[00:15:19] inflation, that is, what is called
[00:15:21] stagflation, that is precisely what... the Fed
[00:15:25] wants to avoid from Paulo
[00:15:28] de Jerome
[00:15:29] Powell.
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[00:18:02] I welcome José Julio Neira, Secretary General of Public Administration
[00:18:06] of Ecuador. José Julio. Welcome, thank you for agreeing to be here on the
[00:18:09] program. Fernando, good evening, what we are
[00:18:13] fighting against in Ecuador is a corrupt practice of Chavismo,
[00:18:16] Maduroism and Correísmo that you have denounced so much in the last
[00:18:20] 20 years and that last Friday you presented as political
[00:18:24] persecution, here I want you to allow me to clarify several
[00:18:28] points that you mentioned on Friday, October 23rd, that
[00:18:31] lasted 4 minutes and today you have lasted 10
[00:18:34] minutes.
[00:18:37] José, let me, but I have to make a clarification, I did not
[00:18:40] present anything as political persecution, I
[00:18:44] conveyed the opposition's accusation that it is political
[00:18:47] persecution, okay, just to clarify,
[00:18:50] go ahead, Fernando, here the important thing is to make known
[00:18:54] the reason why the Labyrinth
[00:18:58] case occurred,
[00:19:01] you said on your Friday show that we crossed a red
[00:19:04] line, that the separation of powers was erased, and that
[00:19:08] if the government investigated that a crime was committed, you also
[00:19:12] spoke of impartiality and that our report came out before the prosecutor's
[00:19:15] office, among other points and I consider it very
[00:19:19] important to respond in parts, first, the government of the
[00:19:22] new Ecuador led by President Noboa did not cross any red
[00:19:25] line, what we have broken is the shielding and impunity
[00:19:29] of the corrupt, two, you pointed out that the
[00:19:33] separation of powers was erased, this government did not erase it, the
[00:19:36] Correísta government erased it 15 years ago, proof of this
[00:19:40] is that the Comptroller, Mr.
[00:19:43] 15 minutes from your
[00:19:45] studio, serving a sentence for money laundering in
[00:19:49] the United States, you also mentioned that if
[00:19:53] the government investigated, a crime was committed, on the
[00:19:56] contrary, it is my duty, it is the cabinet's
[00:19:59] duty to comply with Ecuadorians, the government was
[00:20:03] responsible for reviewing, because the UAFE is the financial
[00:20:07] intelligence unit, it belongs to the executive
[00:20:11] branch and exists to detect money laundering, transparency in
[00:20:14] political financing, which is the important
[00:20:18] thing I want to emphasize, is a
[00:20:20] matter that must be clarified with evidence, and that is
[00:20:24] determined by the prosecutor's office. José Julio, but José Julio, but
[00:20:27] let's not get confused, I agree with you here no one is questioning
[00:20:31] the work that the financial investigation unit has to do, no one is
[00:20:35] questioning that, they have to do it. What we are talking about is an opinion
[00:20:39] matrix. I will give you so we can go
[00:20:43] in parts, not as you say, on the 22nd, let me
[00:20:46] finish, I have two more points that you mentioned on Friday.
[00:20:53] Yours and I'll go with mine to
[00:20:55] move forward, now I'll give you a chance to address those two points, now I'll go with the points you
[00:20:59] just mentioned, on October 22nd, Luisa was arrested,
[00:21:03] on October 23rd in the morning you released
[00:21:07] this video and on October 23rd
[00:21:10] after you released the video, it was that the prosecutor's office informed of the
[00:21:14] filing of charges,
[00:21:18] before that, what happened? The correct information. The video, let me finish,
[00:21:22] let me finish, because here I go, you talked about impartiality, impartiality
[00:21:26] must be demanded
[00:21:29] from judges, in the government of Ecuador it is
[00:21:32] our responsibility to combat corruption wherever
[00:21:35] it comes from, complaints have been made, yes, about many public
[00:21:39] officials, because you also mentioned it to me, you also
[00:21:42] mentioned that our report came out before the prosecutor's office and you
[00:21:45] just said it, the prosecutor supported and
[00:21:48] filed charges. Since October 22nd at
[00:21:52] 11 p.m. the hearing was installed where not only the
[00:21:56] implicated party had access, all the
[00:21:59] judges, the prosecutor presented her case with all the evidence,
[00:22:02] all the elements of conviction were exhibited, the
[00:22:06] indictment statement came out after
[00:22:09] your video, no sir, the indictment statement
[00:22:13] comes out after your video, no sir, the
[00:22:16] Attorney General's Office communicated.
[00:22:20] Everything happened from the raid
[00:22:23] to the formulation of charges where all
[00:22:26] elements of conviction were exhibited, this
[00:22:29] was not new for lawyers or for the media,
[00:22:33] we have not crossed a red line
[00:22:37] as you also mentioned on Friday, the
[00:22:39] chronology is clear, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to
[00:22:43] tell you not what I say, I'm going to tell you not what I say, I'm going to tell you what
[00:22:47] the law says so that then you can
[00:22:50] tell me, this
[00:22:53] uh, or well, I don't know, justify or
[00:22:57] defense regarding, for example, Article
[00:23:00] 22 which talks about the reservation of information, which
[00:23:04] states that reports of suspicious operations and the information
[00:23:07] contained in the UAFE databases are
[00:23:10] confidential and secret, the
[00:23:13] exchange of information is allowed, but subject to
[00:23:16] legal limitations, procedures, and requirements, it does not constitute
[00:23:20] a general authorization to disclose individualized
[00:23:23] files through videos on social networks, what do you have to say about that
[00:23:27] Article 22, didn't they violate it? Fernando,
[00:23:31] Article 22 refers to reports of
[00:23:34] unusual operations, in the video we never referred to a
[00:23:38] report of unusual operation, but rather to suspicious
[00:23:41] transactional patterns of alleged money
[00:23:45] laundering, this is not new for Correísmo, you have the Angostura
[00:23:48] case in
[00:23:52] financing for campaigns, you have the bribes case,
[00:23:55] you have the sucre case, you have the
[00:23:58] metastasis case, this is not new for Correísmo,
[00:24:02] this is the same modus
[00:24:05] operandi of a political party that is
[00:24:07] used by organized crime to
[00:24:11] achieve impunity,
[00:24:14] I have not broken the seal of confidentiality which is what you are
[00:24:17] trying to mention,
[00:24:21] that was never broken, no, I wasn't trying, I'm quoting the
[00:24:24] articles so you can tell me how you justify them, I'm going now
[00:24:28] to Article 23, the obligation of secrecy obliges
[00:24:32] UAFE officials to keep confidential information and financial
[00:24:35] analyses known by reason of their positions secret, it establishes
[00:24:39] serious administrative consequences for the improper
[00:24:43] disclosure or use of information classified as confidential
[00:24:46] or secret, without excluding possible civil or
[00:24:50] criminal liabilities, I ask you, is there
[00:24:53] documentary support from the prosecutor's office that the information you reveal
[00:24:56] in that video is not confidential,
[00:24:59] secret or that it could alter the investigation?
[00:25:03] Fernando, at the moment that the hearing for the
[00:25:07] formulation of charges was activated at 11 p.m. on
[00:25:11] October 22nd, the confidentiality of the case was lost,
[00:25:15] since all the elements of conviction were
[00:25:18] communicated by the prosecution to the lady and the
[00:25:22] defense team, there is a
[00:25:25] very important point that you did not mention, who defended
[00:25:28] her as her lawyer, Mr. Alexis Mera,
[00:25:32] this was in prison, not only for the
[00:25:35] bribes case, but also for the Chevron case, a case that Ecuadorians
[00:25:39] are still paying millions of
[00:25:42] dollars for, that is a coincidence that you failed to mention on October
[00:25:46] 23rd in your program, obviously it did not fit the narrative you were trying
[00:25:50] to make. Here's a coincidence that I don't want to miss,
[00:25:53] the blackout case, where
[00:25:57] was your video with the blackout case, why isn't there a video
[00:26:00] from you with the blackout case?
[00:26:10] Where there was presumed damage to the
[00:26:13] state, why wasn't there a video to explain that, of course?
[00:26:17] I repeat, Fernando, there were four videos published about the
[00:26:20] blackout case, not only that, from President Noboa's
[00:26:24] government, we filed a complaint in the
[00:26:27] Florida courts, where some lawyers that were hired
[00:26:31] by Select are following up in
[00:26:34] the United States where the brother of Progen's
[00:26:37] CEO already denounced before not only the prosecutor
[00:26:41] but also uh in pardon in the in the
[00:26:45] US prosecutor's office that his brother committed an irregular
[00:26:48] act that he gave bribes to judges to
[00:26:51] rule in favor of Progen, I love that you mentioned
[00:26:54] the Blackout case because I want to invite you to
[00:26:57] check my social media so you can see everything we have
[00:27:01] communicated. with transparency and integrity, because President Daniel's
[00:27:05] government has also communicated it,
[00:27:09] we just need to
[00:27:12] just, just need to communicate the transactions from the Swiss
[00:27:15] account that we still haven't received the information, but it's something we follow
[00:27:18] up day and
[00:27:22] night until we find all the alleged
[00:27:25] involved in the
[00:27:28] blackout case,
[00:27:30] the last article I cite for you to
[00:27:32] justify it is 17 in subsections
[00:27:36] i, j and n, the specific functions of the
[00:27:39] UAFE, the law establishes that the UAFE must communicate the resultsTELEVISION NEWS TRANSCRIPT:
[00:27:43] of its operational analyses to the prosecutor's office through secure
[00:27:47] and protected channels, respond to requests from the prosecutor's
[00:27:50] office through reasoned reports, preserving the confidentiality of information,
[00:27:54] develop policies and procedures that guarantee the security and
[00:27:57] confidentiality of the data it obtains, you
[00:28:01] took out a
[00:28:03] lot of information that I ask you, do you have written
[00:28:06] support from the prosecutor's office that authorized the publication
[00:28:10] of everything that was published? Whose decision
[00:28:13] was it? Fernando, point one, the confidentiality
[00:28:16] of the information has not been broken. Two,
[00:28:20] the video supports patterns of behavior of
[00:28:24] money laundering
[00:28:26] operandi that Correismo has used, I mentioned
[00:28:29] it since 2007. Since
[00:28:33] the Ngozura case, the same pattern is
[00:28:36] being used again, it is a
[00:28:39] technical explanation, I have been dedicated to the prevention of money laundering for the
[00:28:43] last 17 years and I have not broken the
[00:28:47] secrecy of the confidentiality of the information, because if you
[00:28:50] saw the information that is there, you would understand more clearly why a
[00:28:54] judge decided to give her preventive
[00:28:56] detention.
[00:28:59] Okay, now, to not extend myself further and continue
[00:29:03] with the citations, there are many more articles, even in international justice,
[00:29:06] no, but to not extend myself further, of all this matter,
[00:29:10] José Julio was approved in 2025 and I promoted it
[00:29:13] because I was the director in charge of the UAFE
[00:29:17] and its UAFE
[00:29:19] regulations,
[00:29:21] I know that you were in charge of the UAFE, now the crux of
[00:29:25] all this is the following,
[00:29:28] this publication, this publication
[00:29:31] seems. yes, they use the legal words of the
[00:29:35] hypothetical case and so on, but there are parts that seem to
[00:29:39] be trying to close
[00:29:42] something that has not yet been closed, that seems to be already
[00:29:46] sentencing Luisa González Julio to guilt,
[00:29:49] then the opposition comes and says: this is the
[00:29:53] example, the lawyer said it on Friday, this is the example of what
[00:29:57] they do to generate a narrative and a public opinion
[00:30:00] against our represented party, are
[00:30:04] you trying to build a narrative, a narrative line that once and for
[00:30:08] all sentences someone who is still in process, José
[00:30:10] Julio. Fernando, the fight
[00:30:13] against money laundering is not political
[00:30:16] persecution, it is to end the impunity that Correismo
[00:30:20] left entrenched in this
[00:30:23] country more than 15 years ago. President
[00:30:26] Noboa was chosen to give security to the country and
[00:30:30] to improve the quality of life of Ecuadorians with
[00:30:34] education and with job opportunities and his cabinet
[00:30:37] works day and night to what, to fulfill the
[00:30:41] president's word, but you didn't answer me, José Julio, but you didn't
[00:30:44] answer me, are you trying to build a narrative in public opinion where
[00:30:48] Luisa González is already guilty,
[00:30:51] Fernando, I have seen you since I was 15 years old giving
[00:30:54] news, I know the way you interview and I
[00:30:58] am not going to fall into whether it is a narrative or not, my
[00:31:01] responsibility as general secretary of public
[00:31:05] administration is to inform Ecuadorians of the
[00:31:08] progress we have made.