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[00:00:07] high politics is nothing but common sense applied to great things, said
[00:00:11] Napoleon Bonaparte, and here ladies
[00:00:13] and gentlemen, all's well that ends well, we have reached the
[00:00:17] end of the first part of focus dedicated to the
[00:00:20] great figures of the Republic, for this evening
[00:00:23] dear viewers, I say to all of you
[00:00:27] thank you from the bottom of my heart for your loyalty to the show.
[00:00:31] And see you next week if you wish and again
[00:00:34] ciao ciao,
[00:00:38] proof that there is ladies and gentlemen, here is the focus schedule, how do you see the conflict, is it
[00:00:42] finally a conflict between two men who tried to
[00:00:45] work together, one of whom the other betrayed, or is it a
[00:00:49] conflict of vision of how the country
[00:00:52] should be managed, or is it a conflict between two powers, France
[00:00:56] and the United States, we mentioned it a moment ago, I think we must be very careful about the interpretation
[00:01:00] that it is a conflict of two powers, and for a simple
[00:01:03] reason, it is that indeed there are divergent economic interests, it is obvious that the
[00:01:06] interests are not those of Chevron, but in my opinion this is not
[00:01:10] the explanation, because beyond a certain level of
[00:01:14] violence and danger of destabilization of a region of the
[00:01:17] world, great powers no longer fight, we have seen it almost everywhere in the
[00:01:20] world, but they arm, they arm but through
[00:01:24] intermediaries, they do not arm directly, I think that here it is
[00:01:27] a fundamental problem which is the problem of the whole of Central Africa, that is to say that
[00:01:31] when a democratically elected president
[00:01:34] refuses to stand for an election under
[00:01:38] normal conditions, which happened in Congo, and
[00:01:41] arranges for his competitors not to be able to
[00:01:44] stand, necessarily the conflict is in
[00:01:47] sight. I warn you about the situation in
[00:01:50] Cameroon which has just experienced an extraordinarily contested election and which is
[00:01:53] also on the brink of civil war, so you tell us on one side there is a democrat, on the other side there is
[00:01:57] a dictator, that's not at all what I said uh. I think that there are
[00:02:01] democratic rules that France has strongly pushed, remember the
[00:02:04] speech of La Baule, and these democratic rules must be respected, there
[00:02:08] are electoral deadlines and there
[00:02:10] is electoral competition, especially for the presidential election, from the
[00:02:14] moment the incumbent president prevents the election from
[00:02:17] taking place normally and that he seeks to have his competitors assassinated, which
[00:02:21] happened for Sasun Guesso, let's not forget that tanks presented
[00:02:25] themselves in front of his personal private
[00:02:28] residence on June 5th and that the... started from there because he defended
[00:02:31] himself and well at that moment necessarily civil
[00:02:34] war breaks out and it is not an ethnic war
[00:02:38] focus focus.
[00:03:22] you have any regrets in front
[00:04:42] Mr. President, hello, hello, hello,
[00:04:46] hello,
[00:04:48] ah, how are you doing, it's good, in any case it's a great joy
[00:04:52] for us, to come to the field, to
[00:04:56] meet you, because the show Eston Agricole
[00:04:59] has the mission. to highlight the work of farmers,
[00:05:03] you have been in the field of agriculture for several years
[00:05:06] and you uh you are cultivating
[00:05:09] it's the editor of cassava, in any case it's a
[00:05:12] joy for us to come to the field uh to see you in the field
[00:05:16] and certainly we have questions to ask you about the work you
[00:05:20] are doing already from the outset I would like to
[00:05:23] congratulate you because uh we feel the work, we see
[00:05:27] the work and it's a great joy, so what do we call
[00:05:30] you Mr. President? I am myself,
[00:05:33] I am called Messian Anisser, I am the president of the
[00:05:36] multi-service agriculture
[00:05:39] cooperative, yes, we are the people on the ground
[00:05:43] uh we have been based here since
[00:05:45] 2009, so it's
[00:05:51] evolution that we are making efforts
[00:05:54] with our own uh
[00:05:58] means, we are making efforts anyway, that's what you
[00:06:01] saw here, so you are in a cooperative of how many
[00:06:04] members, we are 10 members and here you have a
[00:06:08] field of how many hectares of cassava besides
[00:06:12] other fields too, this is a field that we
[00:06:15] are focusing more on, this is it, here it's 50
[00:06:18] hectares, 50 hectares, 50 hectares of, yes, 4 months old,
[00:06:22] it's 4 months old already, we just planted it
[00:06:26] there, we are also doing the first weeding, so we put the
[00:06:29] cassava, so it's a bit associated,
[00:06:33] you also saw some watermelons and also
[00:06:36] sweet potatoes, yes, that's it, I'm noticing
[00:06:40] that it's evolving well because
[00:06:43] it's 4 months old, but when you see the greenery,
[00:06:46] it really gives the impression that it's a job well
[00:06:50] done, it's a job done with know-how,
[00:06:52] yes, that's it, so that you succeed
[00:06:55] like this in 4 months, so it means there are secrets,
[00:06:59] there are secrets that we know, we technicians,
[00:07:01] yes, we as people who are good
[00:07:05] at it, we have been based here for a long time, so
[00:07:09] first it's the preparation of the land, the first secret.
[00:07:12] You have to plow and leave it for at least 3
[00:07:16] months, you see, the soil must be well
[00:07:20] prepared before doing the first
[00:07:23] plowing, that's it, if you do
[00:07:27] that, you leave the plowing for at least 3 months, you will see
[00:07:31] everything you put without even counting first
[00:07:34] or or fertilizers or whatever for that, we don't use it,
[00:07:38] you don't use it for long, no no that's natural, that's naturally like that
[00:07:42] and the secret is to respect the agricultural
[00:07:46] calendar
[00:07:48] also the dates you are going to plant
[00:07:52] it, yes, regarding our cycles because if you plant too
[00:07:56] much rain, it's not good either,
[00:08:00] also during the season,
[00:08:02] you always have to, so agriculture is about
[00:08:05] dates, you can't miss dates and there you have the calendar and
[00:08:09] that's what shocks us compared to our old ways.
[00:08:13] So it really sometimes disturbs us about
[00:08:16] that, otherwise, in agriculture, you can't miss dates, the dates are well
[00:08:20] calculated, how many years have you been in
[00:08:23] this work, we have been based since
[00:08:26] 2009, our cooperative, yes,
[00:08:30] yes, well, before it was individual, but since
[00:08:33] we've been a cooperative for almost 4 years,
[00:08:36] otherwise, before it was me who was
[00:08:40] doing it with your group, with my group, yes. Since you were there, we
[00:08:43] were forced now to change the group, it
[00:08:47] became like an establishment, it changed,
[00:08:50] it became a cooperative, that's it, so besides this
[00:08:54] 50-hectare field where the cassava is growing
[00:08:58] well, you have other fields, there are other fields,
[00:09:01] that's right, there are fields where it's mature, there are fields where it will soon be
[00:09:05] mature, so we always do uh by
[00:09:08] year we have cycles, cycles, yes, the big
[00:09:12] cycle and the small cycle, but there, you have at least how many
[00:09:15] hectares, the two other sites there, there, there are at least 20
[00:09:19] hectares in maturity, maturity, yes,
[00:09:21] yes,
[00:09:23] and there are still at least 15 more hectares that
[00:09:27] will be mature soon, so that's how it is, this is
[00:09:30] the last cycle of the year that just ended, now we are still
[00:09:34] preparing the plowing, the first cycle is
[00:09:37] after the big holidays, that's it, so that means
[00:09:41] that you can... uh have almost 100
[00:09:45] hectares of cassava, yes, yes, if you have the means
[00:09:49] because plowing is contacting, planting, all that takes
[00:09:53] time, well that's maybe to help the cooperatives that have just been
[00:09:56] created, we the old ones in principle, we are first
[00:10:00] helping ourselves to have materials, we have good
[00:10:03] materials, we are multi- service because we
[00:10:06] train agricultural drivers, we train agricultural machine
[00:10:10] mechanics in our workshop there. How do you get
[00:10:13] tractors because here 10 hectares renting
[00:10:17] tractors is not easy, but how do you do the work related
[00:10:21] to plowing and harrowing, how do you do the work related to plowing and harrowing? We
[00:10:25] have our old old tractors, that's what we repair every time
[00:10:28] if often it breaks down in the middle of
[00:10:31] plowing, well really as if we are also technicians,
[00:10:35] we always force ourselves, in any case it's not easy,
[00:10:39] when you see, well, compared to the cycle if it doesn't respond, we are forced to
[00:10:42] rent, otherwise we really struggle to get our
[00:10:46] old machines in working order to do that, you see, it's
[00:10:49] plowed, pulverized and repulverized again,
[00:10:53] it's clean, isn't it, that's it, so are you 10, is
[00:10:57] uh with the number you are, is it easy for you to
[00:11:00] do the plowing and all that, you have a lot of sites, how do you do it, do you look for
[00:11:04] outside labor to do this work, we ask for cooperative
[00:11:08] reinforcement, as we are cooperatives in union,
[00:11:12] we can also ask for reinforcements from other
[00:11:15] cooperatives and when they come, it's still something
[00:11:19] to pay for, yes, if you always have to pay, there are always quotes that
[00:11:23] we have to pay them per hour,
[00:11:25] they are there, that's how it is, so you still have some money at your
[00:11:28] level, you have savings, you have a bank account, yes,
[00:11:32] but yes, there is, but we try, that's
[00:11:35] it, the proofs are there, but all that and then it's the sale,
[00:11:39] yes, even though it's the elephants you saw there, they are
[00:11:43] threatening us here, the empty spaces, the empty spaces that you see are the
[00:11:46] elephants, the elephants that are trampling, sometimes it's boars,
[00:11:49] sometimes it's you see, you saw the
[00:11:52] distance where the tar was left.
[00:11:55] here it's sometimes the boars that bother us, they
[00:11:58] enter the fields, so you see for example there are
[00:12:02] empty spaces, there are some empty spaces, so that's a bit it, you saw there
[00:12:06] were empty spaces, we have to replace them again, you see
[00:12:10] but I'm seeing the work you're doing, it's with
[00:12:14] a certain experience, you respect the spacing and
[00:12:17] you respect the lines, yes, we with our old
[00:12:21] machine, we have adapted, we have adapted
[00:12:24] teams. simply to do the tracing for us
[00:12:28] to respect the lines that you see, you see, when you look at the
[00:12:31] mark, it's now you feel that it was traced, yes, it's traced what
[00:12:35] you see and then the spacing is respected, that's
[00:12:38] it, that's it, so we are experts
[00:12:42] like that, we are trained, if there are Congolese who want to perhaps be inspired
[00:12:45] by your experience, if they want to come
[00:12:49] to you so that you show them what
[00:12:53] you are doing, you show them the techniques needed
[00:12:57] to cultivate, are you able to receive these
[00:13:01] Congolese who also want to learn and get involved in such
[00:13:04] activities as you? yes, why not? right
[00:13:08] where we are based, there is a large workshop for
[00:13:12] agricultural machinery, yes, except that
[00:13:14] the people here don't give much, otherwise I
[00:13:18] am the master, I am the master of the workshop too, I am also the president of the
[00:13:22] cooperative, so there is a need for people, if there are people who are interested,
[00:13:25] they come to us, it's multi- service, that's why, yes,
[00:13:29] that's it,
[00:13:33] that's it,
[00:13:38] when you are in such
[00:13:41] a cooperative and given the cassava fields you
[00:13:44] have, do
[00:13:47] of a state official, can you have regrets in front of a state official?
[00:13:51] No, well, uh, regrets because he treats
[00:13:55] yes, but we, we can't envy him because
[00:13:58] we want to do a lot, you didn't start like that,
[00:14:02] there's evolution, yes, so we
[00:14:06] see that it really needs us to really, if we
[00:14:10] put our hand to it, we will do more than that, it's mostly about
[00:14:14] machines, yes, machines, materials, that's it, you
[00:14:17] will see later in the workshop that there are old materials that
[00:14:21] date back to the 50 hectares, there is no loss, you have
[00:14:25] succeeded, in any case the cassava is developing
[00:14:29] without problems, so you will sell 50 hectares,
[00:14:31] yes, it's a lot of money,
[00:14:34] that's it, it's a bit that, we'll see, we'll see the
[00:14:38] expenses but
[00:14:38] it's
[00:14:43] not, you see here you are also fighting against youth unemployment
[00:14:47] because you are not alone, we need
[00:14:50] labor, so these are also jobs that you create
[00:14:54] there, yes, the young people who are based
[00:14:58] there in the village, sometimes we take them too, they come to reinforce us
[00:15:01] here like that, yes, we do daily work systems,
[00:15:05] we pay, so it's something like that, sometimes we take our pickup and we
[00:15:09] put the young people, we come on site, we work, then we pay them, that's
[00:15:12] how we manage, really, that's
[00:15:15] very, very important and uh what variety are you
[00:15:19] using here? Here we have the variety called
[00:15:23] Violette, that's it, which is the most consumed
[00:15:27] in our area, all varieties have problems, except what
[00:15:30] I said before, it's knowing when, at
[00:15:34] what date you should plant them so that they
[00:15:38] give good quality like that, even him when I saw him
[00:15:41] there, if it wasn't in his period, it's not if it's not the dates
[00:15:45] that we can plant it, if you plant it, it will always come out with mosaic
[00:15:49] with a lot of stuff, that's it, so you master this variety well,
[00:15:53] yes, if we don't master only that, all
[00:15:56] varieties, yes, you always have to know when,
[00:15:59] yes, when we can put it, that's it, I already see
[00:16:03] furrows like that, what is that? It's already giving roots, that means the
[00:16:07] roots it's putting down there are already yes, it's already
[00:16:11] cassava, yes, yes, yes, you can
[00:16:14] even see there when you see roots like that, it means
[00:16:18] that you see, you see, that means
[00:16:21] that this is already cassava, you see, this is already cassava, in 4
[00:16:24] months, you see already, yes, when you saw it, it's
[00:16:28] already cracking the soil, look, look at the
[00:16:31] size at 4 months, that's it,
[00:16:35] the tubers, tubers, it's already
[00:16:38] giving tubers, yes, yes, it has tubers underneath already, yes, that's
[00:16:42] it
[00:16:44] but for it to reach maturity, how many months do you have to wait? Well,
[00:16:47] uh, maturity is normally 18 months, it's 18 months, well,
[00:16:51] for people who are going to make fufu, yes,
[00:16:55] other things, but for us, we often supply
[00:16:58] mothers who make cassava, so we do it from 16
[00:17:01] months, we already start harvesting before
[00:17:05] the products we make from cassava, yes, it must not be too old,
[00:17:08] uh, you see, yes, yes, so the real date is from
[00:17:12] 15, 16 months, it's good when you feel it's
[00:17:16] soft, it's deep, if it's fufu, fufu doesn't
[00:17:20] care, even if the cassava becomes hard, it will always
[00:17:23] dry, it will give, what are the problems that
[00:17:27] bother you here? often it's climate
[00:17:31] change on the field, you see how we weeded there, when the rain comes,
[00:17:35] there's always a lot of variety of weeds, you see how it's growing
[00:17:38] already, there was nothing before, yes, when
[00:17:42] we noticed there were a lot of weeds in our fields
[00:17:46] here, that's when we see that flowers
[00:17:49] have come out, otherwise before there were none, it gives us a lot of
[00:17:53] difficulties here, before someone knew that if you plant like
[00:17:57] that, you do the first weeding, the second weeding, it's finished,
[00:18:00] then with the flowers, you have to start again, when you come
[00:18:04] to look at your fields,
[00:18:07] you see that it's not yet mature, there are flowers,
[00:18:11] what are we going to do, we are forced to put more
[00:18:15] people,
[00:18:16] next door, it's a block that we
[00:18:20] just harvested, there were 20 hectares there,
[00:18:23] but really the elephants, they ate even 10 hectares, before there
[00:18:27] was no trace of elephants, but this
[00:18:29] last time, we are surprised, we don't know where these
[00:18:33] elephants come from, as if it's related to a regulation that we can...
[00:18:36] disturb them, so that's it,
[00:18:40] so I was expecting you
[00:18:44] uh what are you going to advise us so that you saw
[00:18:47] how they are doing but you know you are doing intercropping,
[00:18:51] that's it, yes, the intercropping, the
[00:18:55] intercropping, a field like that, we can't leave it empty like that just
[00:18:58] to wait for the cassava because the cassava needs 18 months there,
[00:19:02] but if it can help us, you see, like the steps there,
[00:19:06] it's coming out, we're going to grow yes, there, for example, we
[00:19:09] did it on 10 hectares only, 10 hectares, yes, 10
[00:19:13] hectares there, it can give us at least uh well
[00:19:17] not tons, uh the bis you
[00:19:20] saw there, right? yes, it can give us about
[00:19:23] five, about five, six
[00:19:26] bits well loaded, yes, that's it, it's still
[00:19:30] profitable, isn't it, it's profitable anyway, yes, it helps
[00:19:33] us, that's what we say in the Mab 0 operations to reinforce.
[00:19:37] also yes,
[00:19:40] that's it, here we need to pay the labor that
[00:19:43] worked, so it's always
[00:19:45] that,
[00:19:49] the Minister of Agriculture would like you to produce a lot because cassava is still
[00:19:52] sold expensive in Brazzaville, so what do you say, do you have the
[00:19:56] capacity to increase cassava production
[00:20:00] even more? You saw the land, right?
[00:20:03] That's it, we are based here, this is our
[00:20:06] base. If there are possibilities for materials,
[00:20:10] we will do even more, that's it, if we reinforce
[00:20:14] machines, we ourselves
[00:20:17] will work more than that, the president spoke of agricultural
[00:20:20] mechanization, I think that regarding machines, your wish
[00:20:24] will be taken into account by the government and that's what we
[00:20:27] expect, that encourages
[00:20:28] us
[00:20:33] in any case it's a great joy, thank you very much for our team, thank you.
[00:20:38] Uh thank you very much, and there are still watermelons, yes, yes, yes, we are
[00:20:42] consuming, yes, we are consuming what we made ourselves, yes, yes,
[00:20:46] the show, so that's it, it's a joy,
[00:20:50] really, we really thank you and good luck,
[00:20:54] we often associate corn too, it's because it was the period, it wasn't the period,
[00:20:58] otherwise you will see corn, yes, there are old
[00:21:01] photos that we can show you too, you will see how we associate
[00:21:05] corn too in the cassava, this is
[00:21:08] you are in organic farming, right, you don't use fertilizers, no, no, no, this is organic, this is
[00:21:12] organic, ah, this is organic, the secret is just to
[00:21:16] plow, leave it for a little while, that's it,
[00:21:20] and respect the agricultural calendar, yes, respect the agricultural calendar and you
[00:21:23] will calculate the dates, what date you will do your
[00:21:27] planting so that it will not be dominated by rain or
[00:21:31] it will not be dominated by the sun, that's it,
[00:21:34] thank you very much, so that's a bit of it, yes, thank
[00:21:37] you very much, thank you very much, okay, we're together.
[00:22:15] During our first broadcast with you, you spoke of
[00:22:18] sites and with. we worked just
[00:22:22] in one site and here
[00:22:25] we are in the 2nd site, our second site located
[00:22:28] 15 km from Inuni Plateau village, we
[00:22:32] have three blocks there planted in June
[00:22:36] uh intercropping including what you
[00:22:39] see there, sweet
[00:22:42] potato, so here we
[00:22:45] have
[00:22:48] 25 hectares. Okay, we have a block of
[00:22:51] 25 hectares here, so
[00:22:55] we planted in June uh
[00:22:57] 25 hectares,
[00:23:00] 25 hectares, so I
[00:23:03] will show you in a moment. Let's go.
[00:23:06] Here there is a separate
[00:23:10] block that you see there, it's the
[00:23:13] separation of a block and this block is
[00:23:17] associated uh uh cassava
[00:23:20] tubers and sweet potato, everything you see
[00:23:24] with the good ones works well, that's why we prefer the
[00:23:27] good ones, it's 25 25 hectares there, it's 15
[00:23:31] hectares, 15 hectares of cassava in maturity
[00:23:34] already, we will start exploiting within 3 weeks
[00:23:38] or 2 weeks, 25 + 15 makes 40 hectares,
[00:23:41] yes, 2nd
[00:23:43] site,
[00:23:48] you are doing great things,
[00:23:52] but how do you
[00:23:54] manage your resources, is there still
[00:23:58] transparency? is there no problem on this side, how do you
[00:24:02] do it? because those who watch you also certainly need
[00:24:06] your experience, regarding
[00:24:07] management,
[00:24:10] after the sale, we smile at something,
[00:24:13] share, the rest, you
[00:24:15] have to manage the labor because with what we... this house
[00:24:19] without labor, we cannot succeed, so you have to
[00:24:22] recruit the little ones and the rest but in
[00:24:26] 50 I will make the little ones
[00:24:29] we recruit come.
[00:26:12] what we are doing today, you don't know
[00:26:15] what our parents were doing yesterday, for them,
[00:26:19] it was subsistence farming, and we
[00:26:22] are doing today modern
[00:26:26] agriculture, there must be mechanization, especially
[00:26:29] mechanization, mechanization. Without
[00:26:33] mechanization it's complicated and what we are doing there, you have to go negotiate
[00:26:36] for tractors, you have to spend a lot of time uh to
[00:26:40] negotiate so you have to make appointments here and there so it's
[00:26:44] complicated so we really ask the government to
[00:26:47] consider especially
[00:26:51] mechanization. That's my last
[00:26:55] word.