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[00:00:00] as just
[00:00:02] mentioned, the government's economic guidelines for the period
[00:00:06] 2029 aim to support economic
[00:00:09] recovery, stabilize public
[00:00:13] finances, and sustainably fund
[00:00:16] national priorities.
[00:00:20] This, Honorable President, dear
[00:00:22] colleagues,
[00:00:25] is the subject of the observations made in the form of concerns
[00:00:29] recorded in the report. the Economy and
[00:00:32] Finance Committee,
[00:00:36] this is how,
[00:00:39] with the authorization of the Honorable President of the National
[00:00:42] Assembly,
[00:00:44] we would like to give the floor to the Honorable
[00:00:47] Rapporteur
[00:00:49] so that she may proceed to read
[00:00:52] the introduction
[00:00:57] of the presentation of the matter,
[00:01:01] and water and that she goes directly to the
[00:01:02] sectors with a view to concern. Mr. Prime Minister, having completely emptied
[00:01:04] will obtain the contents of our report, we thank him
[00:01:08] for that,
[00:01:10] Honorable President, this is what we had to say, if
[00:01:13] that
[00:01:16] is the opinion, so that we only proceed to read
[00:01:19] the introduction, the presentation of the matter
[00:01:24] 7. Modalities of and the observations of the committee
[00:01:25] reduction and presented in the form of concerns, thank you,
[00:01:29] President of the Republic, Head of thank you. Is the proposed procedure
[00:01:32] by the Honorable
[00:01:35] President of the Economy and
[00:01:39] Finance Committee
[00:01:41] acceptable to you? And therefore adopted. President of the Committee, you have the
[00:01:45] floor, and you have the
[00:01:48] 9. Underfunding of right to give the floor to the Honorable Rapporteur. Honorable
[00:01:51] and health, case of Rapporteur, for the reading of the report, please. Thank you.
[00:01:55] Thank you, Honorable President. I will therefore
[00:01:58] proceed with the reading of the report, report number 62,
[00:02:03] upstream oil sector despite concerning the examination of budget documentation for the purpose of
[00:02:07] budget orientation
[00:02:08] debate.
[00:02:11] Introduction: The Economy,
[00:02:15] Finance, and Budget Execution Control Committee met from
[00:02:19] July 26 to 31, 2026, in
[00:02:22] room 028 of the National Assembly
[00:02:25] headquarters, under the direction of its president,
[00:02:29] the Honorable Maurice Mavoungou, to
[00:02:31] examine the budget documentation received from the
[00:02:34] government for
[00:02:36] the underfunding of the organization of the budget orientation
[00:02:39] debate. The
[00:02:42] exploitation of Honorable Members of the Committee participated in the work, as listed
[00:02:46] the case of Marien Ngouabi University and the below, conferlist.
[00:02:49] indeed a gold market Presentation of the matter. The budget orientation
[00:02:52] debate is an exercise
[00:02:56] parliamentary group of that was instituted by the organic law on finance laws.
[00:03:00] In its article 10, which notably states
[00:03:03] that: Each year, no later than
[00:03:07] May 30, the government transmits to parliament the
[00:03:10] medium-term framework documents, defining article
[00:03:14] 9,
[00:03:17] medium-term budget framework and medium-term expenditure framework,
[00:03:20] accompanied by a report on the macroeconomic
[00:03:24] situation and one on
[00:03:27] the execution of the budget for the current year, after
[00:03:32] is said here, underfunding of examination and adoption by the Council of Ministers. Based
[00:03:35] on these documents and reports, parliament
[00:03:39] innovation and organizes, before July 1, a budget orientation debate in
[00:03:43] public sessions. This debate does not lead to a
[00:03:47] vote. The introduction of these
[00:03:50] provisions into the budget law
[00:03:53] drafting process gives more
[00:03:57] power to parliament, which previously only intervened
[00:04:00] in the budget procedure when the draft budget law was
[00:04:04] transmitted to it for examination and
[00:04:07] adoption.
[00:04:09] This positioning at the end of the budget
[00:04:13] drafting chain for the State had the
[00:04:17] disadvantage of focusing the attention of
[00:04:20] parliamentarians on the issues related to the
[00:04:23] allocation of resources and
[00:04:26] avoiding debates on the objectives of budget
[00:04:30] policy. Today, parliament
[00:04:35] for financing the electricity is endowed with the power to act on budget policy
[00:04:38] improving access upstream, because and water the interest of debating budget sectors with a view to
[00:04:41] policy is of less importance
[00:04:45] when the draft finance law is already finalized and
[00:04:49] transmitted to parliament during its budget
[00:04:51] session.
[00:04:56] Concern.
[00:05:00] The committee discusses the following
[00:05:03] concerns: 1. Non-
[00:05:06] transmission to parliament of medium-term expenditure frameworks
[00:05:10] by nature,
[00:05:13] by function, and by ministry, in accordance with
[00:05:16] article 9, paragraph 2 of the
[00:05:20] organic law on finance laws.
[00:05:23] 2. Absence in the
[00:05:26] CBMT of the budgetary implications related to the
[00:05:30] mobilization of revenues from natural resources
[00:05:33] in application of the production-sharing regimes
[00:05:37] contained in the mining and forestry code.
[00:05:40] 3. Realism of anticipated
[00:05:42] revenues from the gas sector in the absence
[00:05:46] of a gas code. 4.
[00:05:50] Underestimation of oil revenues (cargo
[00:05:53] sales, unitization, commercialization,
[00:05:57] bonuses) with a recurrent gap of 2 billion per
[00:06:00] year. Consequence: possible
[00:06:03] alteration of budget programming.
[00:06:07] 5. Financing strategy
[00:06:11] for the electricity
[00:06:14] improving access to and the quality of public services,
[00:06:18] as well as the list of main projects to be
[00:06:21] financed in the next three years.
[00:06:25] 6. Necessity to integrate the completion of accelerated
[00:06:28] municipalization into the CBMT
[00:06:31] 2027-2029.
[00:06:38] optimization of a public debt permanently
[00:06:41] higher than
[00:06:45] 8. Priority recruitment into the civil service
[00:06:49] of agents already working in certain structures but not
[00:06:53] covered by the state (health,
[00:06:56] finance, education, etc.).
[00:07:00] higher education
[00:07:04] Marien Ngouabi University and the
[00:07:06] CHU.
[00:07:09] B. Relevance of continuing the application of
[00:07:13] VAT to the
[00:07:16] the exemption provided for in the Hydrocarbons Code,
[00:07:20] Article 165.
[00:07:23] 11. Modalities for implementing the
[00:07:26] following strategic actions: CBMT
[00:07:29] page 50, privatization or
[00:07:33] opening of capital of public enterprises,
[00:07:36] support for companies owned more than 50%
[00:07:40] by Congolese. Establishment
[00:07:43] of a performance management system
[00:07:46] to modernize and rationalize
[00:07:49] public action.
[00:07:51] Agreed.
[00:07:57] Okay, Honorable President, please,
[00:08:01] yes, we will stop the reading of our report there. The
[00:08:04] conclusion will be read after the Prime
[00:08:07] Minister and possibly the committee have
[00:08:11] provided responses
[00:08:13] to the observations or opinions
[00:08:17] of our colleagues from this plenary
[00:08:21] session. The conclusion will be read following
[00:08:24] this debate. Thank you. Thank you, that is
[00:08:27] noted. After the
[00:08:31] presentation of the conclusions of the work by the
[00:08:33] committee, Honorable
[00:08:35] Secretary,
[00:08:38] you have the floor to open
[00:08:41] the list of
[00:08:43] speakers.
[00:08:47] Thank you, Honorable
[00:08:48] President. I'll start with my
[00:08:52] left.
[00:08:57] Your left.
[00:09:01] Across from you.
[00:09:04] Honorable.
[00:09:52] Still across from me, speaking to my
[00:09:54] right, no, he has deputies
[00:09:57] on his
[00:10:00] right, he has
[00:10:01] no one on his right.
[00:10:09] Honorable President, three speakers, Honorable.
[00:10:35] Thank
[00:10:35] you very much,
[00:10:40] Honorable N'Ganda, you have the
[00:10:41] floor.
[00:10:46] Well, thank you, Honorable
[00:10:48] President.
[00:10:51] Uh,
[00:10:53] given the time, Honorable President, you know that the
[00:10:57] government is expected in the Senate, and there is a time problem
[00:11:01] that arises. I would like to speak
[00:11:05] here on behalf of the
[00:11:08] parliamentary group of the presidential
[00:11:10] majority.
[00:11:14] There was a very restricted
[00:11:18] consultation, and we
[00:11:21] will take into account what was
[00:11:25] done by the committee and what
[00:11:29] we will say
[00:11:30] here.
[00:11:33] No, President, I would like to begin by congratulating the
[00:11:36] committee and the government who
[00:11:39] have done a very commendable
[00:11:41] job, because there is
[00:11:45] an evident
[00:11:47] coherence between the social
[00:11:50] project of the State,
[00:11:56] the government's action plan that was
[00:11:59] presented here and the future
[00:12:03] national development plan and budget under
[00:12:06] construction.
[00:12:10] No, President, we agree with
[00:12:14] the concerns that were raised here
[00:12:17] by the committee and
[00:12:20] which the government should
[00:12:23] largely take into
[00:12:26] account. But to these concerns,
[00:12:30] I would like to add two
[00:12:33] things:
[00:12:37] upon reading the texts that we have
[00:12:40] concerning the markets for
[00:12:44] raw materials,
[00:12:46] it listed a number of raw materials here: Brent,
[00:12:50] roundwood, sawn timber, copper,
[00:12:53] zinc. But in our
[00:12:56] country today, a real problem arises in our
[00:12:59] ecosystems. They are degraded
[00:13:03] everywhere, uncontrolled
[00:13:07] gold.
[00:13:09] The populations would like to know if there is
[00:13:14] in our country,
[00:13:18] because the devastated areas are not
[00:13:20] restored. But if it is
[00:13:23] for the national interest of
[00:13:27] Congo, then those who exploit gold, if they
[00:13:31] profit from it, they must indeed carry out
[00:13:34] restoration work. That is why in the concerns, this
[00:13:37] issue of gold exploitation should
[00:13:41] be taken into account.
[00:13:44] On the last page, page 18 of
[00:13:47] the concerns,
[00:13:50] concern 9, we
[00:13:53] suggest adding: to what
[00:13:57] higher education. We must
[00:13:59] say of scientific research and technological
[00:14:04] health. The
[00:14:07] cases mentioned here are not
[00:14:09] exhaustive. Scientific research is strategic,
[00:14:13] we must add it here. And
[00:14:15] then,
[00:14:17] point 11, it is well
[00:14:19] formulated, but we want to
[00:14:22] draw attention
[00:14:26] of the government to the fact
[00:14:27] that
[00:14:30] we have great business
[00:14:32] leaders
[00:14:35] who even operate here in Congo,
[00:14:38] but who have been strongly supported by the
[00:14:42] government.
[00:14:45] We know what President Obasanjo does in
[00:14:49] Nigeria,
[00:14:51] and Dangote, who is also here among us, did not come from
[00:14:55] nothing.
[00:14:58] We know in South Africa, the Ramaphosas, what they are
[00:15:02] today, it's because they had strong
[00:15:06] support from their government. That's why I
[00:15:09] would like us to add to our concerns the promotion
[00:15:12] of a class of business leaders, because it is business leaders who create
[00:15:16] jobs. We have a lot of problems with youth underemployment,
[00:15:19] but if there are many business leaders
[00:15:23] in the country,
[00:15:25] and if it is organized, I believe that we will
[00:15:28] effectively fight
[00:15:31] against the small problems that we have here. The government cannot
[00:15:35] alone deal with these
[00:15:39] pressing issues in our country.
[00:15:43] Honorable President, I thank
[00:15:44] you.
[00:15:49] Thank you, Honorable Niga
[00:15:52] Makanda.
[00:15:57] Bidunga, you have the
[00:15:58] floor.
[00:16:02] I'm not there. President, thank you for the floor
[00:16:06] granted. Our President, we
[00:16:09] followed with great
[00:16:12] attention
[00:16:16] everything that the Prime Minister told
[00:16:20] us here.
[00:16:24] to question two aspects:
[00:16:27] When the Prime Minister talks about the growth
[00:16:29] rate of Congolese
[00:16:33] oil, I have the distinct
[00:16:35] impression that he does
[00:16:38] not present
[00:16:41] forestry exploitation,
[00:16:44] mining exploitation, and even
[00:16:48] gas, as if our country no longer produced gas, as
[00:16:51] if our country no longer exploited wood, as if our
[00:16:55] country no longer exploited mines. What exactly
[00:16:58] is the projection on these three things? What exactly
[00:17:01] is it?
[00:17:06] The second aspect of my intervention concerns the
[00:17:10] country's debt relief. There too, I did not
[00:17:13] quite understand when the Prime Minister talks about the country's
[00:17:16] debt relief, and towards the
[00:17:19] end of his speech, he states that the country will
[00:17:22] again negotiate with the IMF, if I understand his
[00:17:26] approach correctly. In reality, Mr. Prime Minister
[00:17:29] talks about the country's external
[00:17:32] debt relief, but what about the internal debt?
[00:17:35] What are we doing about the internal
[00:17:39] debt?
[00:17:43] I believe that all these concerns must
[00:17:47] be taken into account, especially
[00:17:50] when it comes to internal debt. Everyone
[00:17:53] suffers from it, even we
[00:17:56] ourselves here, we
[00:17:59] all Congolese suffer from
[00:18:02] it. So, we must take that into
[00:18:05] account. President, thank you very much.
[00:18:11] Thank you, Honorable Bidunga. Honorable
[00:18:14] President,
[00:18:21] thank you, Honorable President, for the
[00:18:24] floor. In principle,
[00:18:28] when the President of the
[00:18:33] the majority spoke on behalf
[00:18:38] of the majority, I should have remained
[00:18:41] silent,
[00:18:43] but
[00:18:45] there is a
[00:18:49] concern that
[00:18:52] is bothering me. I
[00:18:56] would like, given that I am facing the
[00:19:00] government, I would like to come
[00:19:04] back to two points,
[00:19:07] please. I will start by abundantly congratulating
[00:19:11] the
[00:19:13] government,
[00:19:16] and then also abundantly the
[00:19:18] committee which has provided us with a
[00:19:22] work which always
[00:19:24] provides us with relevant
[00:19:26] work.
[00:19:30] The first intervention
[00:19:34] regarding
[00:19:37] the... I would simply like to know
[00:19:41] a little bit,
[00:19:44] uh, the government as well as the committee
[00:19:47] used the expression
[00:19:50] "deepening social
[00:19:53] rights." What is "deepening social
[00:19:56] rights"? I also have the right to understand
[00:20:00] well. No, I
[00:20:02] would like to know what "deepening
[00:20:05] social rights"
[00:20:08] means.
[00:20:11] Because among social rights,
[00:20:14] if I exclude the right to
[00:20:17] electricity,
[00:20:19] the right to water,
[00:20:23] I would like to perhaps suggest
[00:20:26] that these two rights be
[00:20:29] prioritized, but
[00:20:33] water, we have problems
[00:20:36] with it, especially in the
[00:20:39] rural areas of the country. The "water for
[00:20:43] all" project, we can give
[00:20:46] priority to the problem.
[00:20:50] "Water for all" was a
[00:20:53] project that was welcomed
[00:20:55] by
[00:20:57] all the people of our country,
[00:21:01] because this project
[00:21:03] overcame all the obstacles of the
[00:21:07] republic. Today, the
[00:21:10] scenario that we
[00:21:13] see does not
[00:21:16] honor us, and I would like the
[00:21:20] government to also take
[00:21:23] this right as
[00:21:25] a priority,
[00:21:28] in the same way, the right to
[00:21:31] electricity. When I say
[00:21:34] that,
[00:21:37] I thank the Honorable President for granting
[00:21:40] me the floor. Thank you, thank you
[00:21:43] very much.
[00:21:48] Those who have asked for the floor,
[00:21:55] President of the Committee, I give you
[00:21:59] the floor for your answers. Thank you, President. Thanks to
[00:22:02] colleagues
[00:22:05] who have asked for some
[00:22:08] clarifications
[00:22:11] regarding this debate that we have
[00:22:15] called
[00:22:17] political.
[00:22:20] One only needs to look at the quality of the
[00:22:21] interventions. Yes,
[00:22:24] President N'Ganda was concerned
[00:22:27] about one of our raw materials, which
[00:22:31] is gold. Well, the table presented in the
[00:22:35] report is taken from the medium-term
[00:22:39] budget framework,
[00:22:41] and its source
[00:22:45] is the World Bank.
[00:22:48] So this table, as
[00:22:50] drafted with commodity
[00:22:54] prices, has the World
[00:22:58] Bank as its source. It is not a production of the government
[00:23:01] and even less of the committee.
[00:23:04] So we will certainly have to find
[00:23:08] answers,
[00:23:10] but we relied on the documents
[00:23:14] transmitted by the government. The government transmitted to us to prepare this
[00:23:18] budget orientation debate the:
[00:23:20] medium-term budget and on, it is
[00:23:23] on that basis that we produced this
[00:23:27] report by
[00:23:31] taking this table which is contained, I think, on
[00:23:34] page 27
[00:23:37] of the CBMT, so the medium-term budget
[00:23:40] framework.
[00:23:46] Yes, President N'Ganda Makanda
[00:23:50] was concerned about the support that can be
[00:23:53] provided to Congolese because,
[00:23:56] uh,
[00:23:59] this concern is shared by many members of the government
[00:24:02] who think that we should
[00:24:06] uh have or
[00:24:08] we must create captains of industry in our
[00:24:12] country. When we started with
[00:24:15] the special economic zones, it was the ambition of the
[00:24:18] President of the Republic
[00:24:21] to ensure that from the special
[00:24:24] economic zones, a captaincy
[00:24:27] of industries would emerge in the country. This is why the
[00:24:31] government,
[00:24:34] in its approach for the next three years,
[00:24:36] plans to support companies owned
[00:24:40] more than 50% by
[00:24:41] Congolese.
[00:24:44] We should encourage this
[00:24:48] will expressed by the government.
[00:24:50] Support to go further than the
[00:24:53] intention.
[00:25:01] Honorable
[00:25:03] Bidunga, thank you very much, you have joined
[00:25:07] us regarding the concern
[00:25:10] expressed concerning the expected revenues from natural
[00:25:13] resources, namely the gas
[00:25:17] sector,
[00:25:20] which still does not have codes. The question was asked,
[00:25:22] the mining and
[00:25:26] forestry codes that
[00:25:28] exist with specific
[00:25:31] provisions
[00:25:33] so that finally the production sharing contract
[00:25:36] regime can be applied in this
[00:25:39] sector.
[00:25:41] You asked the question, you are right, I think
[00:25:44] that the government will even be concerned about it in the
[00:25:48] next 3 years, because what we have stated are only
[00:25:52] observations, observations
[00:25:56] shared by the Honorable Bidunga regarding gas,
[00:25:59] wood, and mines.
[00:26:10] The Honorable President, we followed with great
[00:26:14] interest
[00:26:14] the
[00:26:19] government's already expressed desire, since May 11th
[00:26:23] last year,
[00:26:26] to conclude a new
[00:26:27] program
[00:26:30] with the IMF. In any case, for the committee, the committee
[00:26:34] supports this desire,
[00:26:37] supports this
[00:26:39] project to conclude a new program. In
[00:26:43] the introductory note, we reminded you that finally in our country, we were
[00:26:47] able to carry out a program with the
[00:26:50] IMF, and we concluded it brilliantly with
[00:26:54] success.
[00:26:59] This program, if we sign it, Honorable
[00:27:03] the Prime Minister said it, we
[00:27:07] from the partners what are called budgetary support,
[00:27:11] and this budgetary support will come, will be among
[00:27:15] other sources
[00:27:18] of financing to
[00:27:21] proceed with the country's debt
[00:27:24] relief, and therefore probably the internal
[00:27:27] debt as you mentioned, but it is a whole process, so
[00:27:30] Mr. President,
[00:27:33] please, thank you for noting
[00:27:37] that the government has expressed to the
[00:27:39] IMF its desire to conclude a
[00:27:43] new program with the IMF since May
[00:27:46] 11th, and in principle, the IMF experts should
[00:27:50] arrive in our country so that we can go a little faster.
[00:27:52] President
[00:27:58] Bati Bénois, President Tibénois,
[00:28:02] ah no, first, President Dinga Makanda, we have not exhausted his
[00:28:06] concern about the
[00:28:08] underfunding of a
[00:28:11] number of sectors. We agree
[00:28:15] with you, to be consistent, we should
[00:28:18] associate higher education with scientific research and
[00:28:21] innovation. We agree with President Denga
[00:28:25] Makkanda that we should make
[00:28:28] this correction in our report under the heading of
[00:28:32] "patient," in other words, concern number
[00:28:35] 9 should address
[00:28:39] higher education,
[00:28:41] scientific research, and health. But
[00:28:45] we deliberately chose
[00:28:48] l'université marien ngowabi et du
[00:28:50] CHU
[00:28:53] to be a little more precise in finding
[00:28:56] solutions as early as the 2027 finance law. The purpose
[00:29:00] of this exercise is to prepare us so that the 2027
[00:29:04] finance law takes into account
[00:29:08] the orientations adopted during our
[00:29:11] discussions.
[00:29:19] President, we also join
[00:29:22] him in his concern regarding social rights. Well, it must first be said
[00:29:25] that
[00:29:28] what you noted regarding one of
[00:29:31] the missions
[00:29:34] outlined by the Prime Minister, Head of Government
[00:29:37] here at the end of June, I
[00:29:40] believe,
[00:29:42] is mission 9, mission
[00:29:46] 9 states the deepening of
[00:29:50] social rights, and President Bapti thinks
[00:29:53] that merely stating social rights is not enough.
[00:29:57] He believes it is necessary to be a bit more precise when discussing
[00:30:00] water and electricity.
[00:30:04] This is the question addressed to the government, but I think the 20
[00:30:07] missions have been completed, it's being translated now,
[00:30:11] it will be translated into a PND, while waiting for the PND to arrive,
[00:30:15] the PND should detail all of this to us, I
[00:30:16] think, but this is the
[00:30:20] commission's number 5 concern,
[00:30:23] the commission
[00:30:26] in its number 5 concern makes the
[00:30:29] following observation, demands...
[00:30:34] to implement a strategy
[00:30:41] and the quality of these public services
[00:30:44] as well as the list of main projects to be financed in
[00:30:48] the next three years. We went even
[00:30:51] further to ask the government
[00:30:55] to precisely list the
[00:30:59] projects that will be funded.