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[00:00:00] to talk about water and electricity,
[00:00:04] that's the question addressed to the government, but I think the 20
[00:00:07] infrastructure useful for improving missions have been stopped, it's being translated
[00:00:10] now, it will be translated as PNDs, waiting for the PND
[00:00:14] to arrive, the PND should detail all this, I
[00:00:16] think, but it's the
[00:00:20] commission's number 5 concern, the
[00:00:23] commission, in its number
[00:00:26] 5 concern, makes the following observation: asks the government
[00:00:31] to set
[00:00:34] up a strategy for financing the electricity
[00:00:38] that the field of and water sectors with a view to improving
[00:00:41] access and quality of these public services
[00:00:44] as well as the list of main projects to be financed
[00:00:48] in the next three years, we even went further
[00:00:51] to ask the government to
[00:00:55] specifically
[00:00:57] concerns of state the projects that will be launched, because
[00:01:00] as early as 2027, we must not stick to intentions, the government said earlier,
[00:01:04] in the next investment budget,
[00:01:08] these will not be intentions that will be
[00:01:11] ensured. Modalities for reducing the debt of carried over into the next investment budget, these will be
[00:01:15] projects with studies, so this is
[00:01:18] the opportunity, you are right to
[00:01:21] of remind us, this is the opportunity to remind the government of its responsibility
[00:01:23] so that studies are carried out in the water
[00:01:26] and electricity sector to allow...
[00:01:31] government, the issue of that these national questions, these
[00:01:34] two national questions that are starting to find
[00:01:37] suitable solutions
[00:01:40] because we are waiting for solutions in the water and electricity sector,
[00:01:43] thank you Mr. President for giving
[00:01:47] us this opportunity to at
[00:01:50] account all the concerns of least react after
[00:01:53] the requests for clarification
[00:01:57] from our colleagues, thank you Mr. President.
[00:02:02] Thank you very much, honorable President, Mr.
[00:02:05] Minister, Head of, Prime Minister, Head of Government,
[00:02:08] you have the floor, it is your will,
[00:02:25] we will President, it was my desire, you say it so
[00:02:29] well. if I could be
[00:02:31] And regarding excused, it would be a good thing,
[00:02:34] thank you very much honorable President, no, we have taken very good
[00:02:38] note of the commission's concern,
[00:02:41] the rest are
[00:02:46] give the floor back to the president of recommendations, things
[00:02:49] that the commission would like us to do in the
[00:02:52] future, we will not go into
[00:02:56] explanations, for example, regarding
[00:03:01] the non-transmission to parliament of medium-term expenditure frameworks by
[00:03:04] nature, by
[00:03:05] function,
[00:03:10] the parliament, the assembly,
[00:03:12] Yes, the concern of the commission know
[00:03:15] that we are
[00:03:18] in management tools, management
[00:03:23] our debt, a true evaluation of for financing the electricity and tools in program mode
[00:03:26] and that there is a whole
[00:03:28] process, medium-term expenditure frameworks have a
[00:03:32] logical link with sectoral strategies structured around annual
[00:03:37] finance laws, thank you performance projects and as long as we have not developed the
[00:03:40] annual performance projects, we cannot
[00:03:43] be in a position to produce these
[00:03:47] frameworks by nature, but you can be sure that we
[00:03:51] are working so that in the future these things will
[00:03:54] be done. concern number
[00:03:58] 2
[00:04:04] including for the diversification of of the commission relates
[00:04:07] including for to the absence of budgetary implications related to the
[00:04:11] mobilization of revenues from
[00:04:13] point, the Minister of natural resources in application of the production sharing regimes contained in the mining
[00:04:16] codes, this partly echoes the
[00:04:20] concern of the honorable Bidunga
[00:04:22] uh
[00:04:25] the CBMT does not at this stage develop the budgetary implications in
[00:04:28] application of the regimes.
[00:04:31] talking about production sharing continues in the mining code because the consideration of these
[00:04:34] production sharing regimes by the macroeconomic projection model could
[00:04:38] only intervene at the end of the
[00:04:41] that was state's contracting with companies,
[00:04:44] operating in the mining and forestry sectors. We have
[00:04:47] not yet concluded any production sharing contracts, how can we
[00:04:51] already integrate them when we do not know what the content
[00:04:55] of these specific agreements that we will conclude with
[00:04:59] companies will be. especially since, as you know,
[00:05:02] honorable President, even
[00:05:05] in the oil sector, we still have a great effort to
[00:05:09] make in terms of modeling,
[00:05:11] especially for oil which we have been working on for
[00:05:15] years, we have an important effort to make
[00:05:19] in terms of modeling to be able to project ourselves on
[00:05:22] the different trends, especially regarding mining revenues and
[00:05:26] gas revenues
[00:05:29] and even forestry and to anticipate this question, to answer
[00:05:33] the honorable Bidonga,
[00:05:36] uh the honorable President started to say it, the
[00:05:40] budgets are voted here based on...
[00:05:43] the president said that it was us who presented the table,
[00:05:46] but the budgetary nomenclature, we get it from the
[00:05:50] community, it's the same nomenclature in the
[00:05:53] CEMAC zones, we put oil revenues and the
[00:05:57] others appear in the other
[00:06:00] revenues category, these revenues are indeed taken into account, whether
[00:06:04] it's forestry revenues, whether it's mining revenues, but they
[00:06:07] appear and we indeed, you are right to raise this debate because
[00:06:11] even within the government, we often
[00:06:14] have this debate with the ministers in charge of this
[00:06:18] sector who believe that their
[00:06:21] revenues should appear much more clearly than
[00:06:24] to lump them into a category of other
[00:06:28] tax revenues, so we'll see
[00:06:31] when we work at the community level on a new
[00:06:34] presentation of our
[00:06:38] tables, we will take that into account without a doubt.
[00:06:48] So, the realism of expected revenues from the
[00:06:52] gas sector, in the absence of a gas code, yes, but
[00:06:56] it's a bit like I was saying, and we prefer to maintain a very
[00:06:59] cautious approach, we have, if you look, I think we
[00:07:03] have carried over the same estimate as
[00:07:07] that of the 2026 budget, remaining
[00:07:09] at 17 billion I think,
[00:07:13] in accordance
[00:07:16] with the 2027 budget and we will
[00:07:19] see when we
[00:07:22] have finished with
[00:07:26] the code and we have a clearer idea of
[00:07:29] how we should evaluate our gas resources, then we will
[00:07:33] perhaps have the appropriate
[00:07:36] estimates.
[00:07:42] The underestimation is in the same logic, a purely
[00:07:46] prudential approach, we want to be cautious, it is
[00:07:50] possible that we will benefit from the repercussions,
[00:07:53] that we will have a
[00:07:56] much more favorable
[00:07:59] return, much higher amounts taking
[00:08:02] into account the production that can indeed
[00:08:06] increase in terms of oil production, we
[00:08:09] may have a slightly more favorable market, but for now
[00:08:13] we... we will stick to the projections that we have
[00:08:15] presented.
[00:08:25] the honorable
[00:08:29] Bati certainly joins concern 5, a strategy
[00:08:35] water sectors as well as the list of main projects to be financed in the next three years,
[00:08:39] we said it, Mr. President, I believe,
[00:08:43] that in our
[00:08:44] remarks,
[00:08:48] allow me to quickly
[00:08:49] return to it,
[00:08:55] I read this: great attention will be paid
[00:08:58] to public investments in infrastructure useful for
[00:09:02] improving the productivity of production factors, as well as for
[00:09:06] diversifying the economy, useful infrastructure,
[00:09:09] first and foremost electricity, because
[00:09:12] it is the determining factor,
[00:09:17] the economy, improving
[00:09:21] productivity and on this
[00:09:25] Energy has a roadmap, a clear
[00:09:29] vision which today involves
[00:09:33] considering the mobilization of resources to
[00:09:36] be allocated in particular to the rehabilitation of the
[00:09:39] production units that we have, that's it. we need to
[00:09:42] allocate a resource to rehabilitation, it is true that we currently have
[00:09:46] the production units under concession, but faced with
[00:09:50] certain difficulties
[00:09:53] in implementing all these
[00:09:55] concessions, the state is always obliged to intervene
[00:09:59] and see how we can further make the bride
[00:10:03] beautiful and hope to consider
[00:10:05] other management methods or even if we have to remain in
[00:10:09] concession, but that we have made the maximum effort
[00:10:12] so that these production units are such that
[00:10:16] they are more functional
[00:10:18] and efficient, that's it. So,
[00:10:22] rest assured
[00:10:25] that when we talk about the attention that must
[00:10:29] be given to public investments in
[00:10:32] productivity, we are talking about all these
[00:10:36] water and electricity
[00:10:38] production infrastructures.
[00:10:48] Concern 5, the strategy for financing ex, that's it,
[00:10:51] I think I have answered, concern
[00:10:54] 6, necessity to integrate
[00:10:57] the completion of the accelerated municipalization
[00:10:59] cores, we have already made this commitment and the direction
[00:11:03] has been given to us clearly, precisely by the President of the
[00:11:06] Republic, I had already said on this occasion that we
[00:11:10] have identified 150 projects
[00:11:14] uh form the cores of municipalization by
[00:11:17] department and we will work according to the
[00:11:20] resources we have to ensure that these
[00:11:23] municipalization cores
[00:11:26] are indeed
[00:11:36] optimizing, optimizing a public debt permanently exceeding the
[00:11:40] CEMAC norm. Well, we are working, the honorable
[00:11:43] Bidunga spoke
[00:11:46] the commercial
[00:11:48] debt. Honorable, I can guarantee
[00:11:52] you that I believe I said it in my speech. The
[00:11:56] commercial debt
[00:11:58] and in particular the domestic debt,
[00:12:02] it is one of our concerns because it is
[00:12:05] by paying the domestic debt, in particular
[00:12:08] commercial debt for certain companies, for example, that we
[00:12:11] will relaunch the economy, these
[00:12:14] companies will benefit from
[00:12:18] cash flow, in particular by paying their
[00:12:22] debts, I believe I said it in my
[00:12:30] speech. National companies will have the
[00:12:33] resources to relaunch and then produce
[00:12:36] wealth, create more
[00:12:39] jobs and precisely boost growth,
[00:12:43] so here too, you can be assured
[00:12:47] that we are in
[00:12:48] phase.
[00:12:56] the debt, we
[00:12:59] are currently working on the re-basing of our
[00:13:02] debt, that seems to us an
[00:13:06] important exercise and the Minister of Economy and
[00:13:09] Planning is working seriously on the matter,
[00:13:13] because as long as we have not
[00:13:15] succeeded in better evaluating our
[00:13:18] debt, we will always be lagging behind
[00:13:22] and then it will
[00:13:25] block us, the fact of knowing that we have a debt
[00:13:28] beyond the CEMAC norm,
[00:13:31] someone who already knows that he is burdened with debt, he will not make
[00:13:34] more effort, he risks waiting for "just take me to
[00:13:37] court", the country is also like that, but
[00:13:40] yet if we have
[00:13:44] uh a good system of re-basing
[00:13:48] the debt, we realize that indeed our debt
[00:13:51] is not as it is presented, it is not beyond... of
[00:13:55] 98%, other countries have done it, it remains only
[00:13:59] for us to do it too, and to
[00:14:02] do it we must try to review our calculation
[00:14:06] benchmarks for this debt, we are still working on a benchmark from
[00:14:09] 1993 while other countries
[00:14:13] are at the 2008 benchmark and are in the process of moving to the 2025
[00:14:16] benchmark, they will find that for them, by
[00:14:20] having moved from the 1993 benchmark to 2008 and from
[00:14:23] 2008 to... 2025, their debt is
[00:14:27] presented in a relatively
[00:14:30] correct trend, so this is a work that we are doing and we want to
[00:14:34] reassure you that uh
[00:14:37] shortly certainly
[00:14:39] our the evaluation, the estimation of our debt will
[00:14:43] not be such when we have met these conditions of
[00:14:46] re-basing and reform of the
[00:14:48] benchmark, you can be sure that our
[00:14:52] debt will no longer be presented according to the
[00:14:55] trends in which it is presented now, but that
[00:14:58] said, this is only
[00:15:01] to uh uh
[00:15:05] determine the level of the debt, the percentage, but we
[00:15:09] are also making an effort to reduce this debt,
[00:15:12] in particular, as I said, first by starting with the domestic debt,
[00:15:16] but also for the commitments that we are taking, by
[00:15:19] honoring the fact of honoring our commitments towards our
[00:15:22] partners, to pay the external debt,
[00:15:25] and to have control over the management
[00:15:29] of this debt, that's it, we want to control indebtedness,
[00:15:32] resort to more concessional loans, you
[00:15:36] challenge us on the IMF, but of course, it is all this that allows
[00:15:40] us to better control our indebtedness and to only resort to
[00:15:43] concessional loans so as not to always be at the mercy
[00:15:47] of partners who would
[00:15:50] lend us resources, who would give us resources at concessional
[00:15:53] rates. That's it for
[00:15:57] everything, honorable President, on the other questions, I
[00:16:01] believe we don't have much to say,
[00:16:05] despite the efforts we make in terms of... funding or
[00:16:08] budgeting for sectors, social services,
[00:16:12] well, we know that we must continue
[00:16:15] these efforts, education,
[00:16:19] health, the problems we have at the CHU, the
[00:16:23] problems our universities pose are
[00:16:26] real problems, the problems that retirees pose are
[00:16:30] real problems,
[00:16:32] but it's not necessarily a question of budgeting, here we look at the
[00:16:35] budgets, but when you see the... budget, our intentions are
[00:16:39] good, we can increase as much as you want, but if the
[00:16:42] treasury doesn't follow, it can always be difficult, the problem we have is
[00:16:46] treasury issues, there you go, we have
[00:16:49] increased the budgets, we have put everything in, but uh, we are sometimes confronted with
[00:16:53] real treasury problems to meet these
[00:16:56] commitments, but we take them into account, we take
[00:16:59] note of them, honorable
[00:17:01] President.
[00:17:05] Here, honorable President, we extend our questions,
[00:17:09] we will continue the discussions with the commission, but the answers I
[00:17:13] wanted to give to the honorable deputies who asked the
[00:17:16] questions, I hope
[00:17:20] to have met their expectations, and
[00:17:24] uh we can, we take into
[00:17:28] the commission and we can continue discussions with the commission
[00:17:31] to refine the report and
[00:17:34] especially to present the
[00:17:37] documents of the medium-term budgetary framework well, thank you
[00:17:41] honorable President.
[00:17:55] Thank you, Mr. Prime Minister and Head of
[00:17:57] Government.
[00:18:00] The concerns have been submitted to the commission and to
[00:18:04] the government, I will therefore give the floor:
[00:18:09] the floor to the first secretary so that he can ask the plenary
[00:18:12] if, to know if the answers given are
[00:18:15] satisfactory to the plenary, in which case we
[00:18:19] will
[00:18:23] the commission for
[00:18:27] the conclusions, the 2nd secretary will ask the plenary
[00:18:30] the question.
[00:18:35] Thank you, honorable President, the question is well asked to the
[00:18:38] plenary,
[00:18:42] are there any speakers, that's the question, exactly, to my
[00:18:46] left,
[00:18:48] ah
[00:18:52] honorable, please introduce
[00:18:55] yourself,
[00:19:00] honorable,
[00:19:06] the microphone, Yes, honorable,
[00:19:20] still on the left,
[00:19:24] opposite, yes, opposite, opposite
[00:19:27] us, in the center if you will,
[00:19:30] in the center, no
[00:19:32] speakers, honorable president, opposite.
[00:19:36] Sole speaker, honorable Ganceelle,
[00:19:40] honorable Gancelet, you have the floor. Uh
[00:19:43] thank you, honorable President,
[00:19:46] I would first like to apologize uh to
[00:19:49] the President
[00:19:52] uh of the parliamentary
[00:19:54] group, but there is a
[00:19:57] concern that seems very
[00:20:00] important uh which has not been mentioned
[00:20:03] here, I'm
[00:20:09] agriculture,
[00:20:12] uh, I didn't hear anything about agriculture in everything
[00:20:18] said,
[00:20:21] uh, I think that this
[00:20:24] concern about agriculture should be
[00:20:39] "I think that we
[00:20:42] are,
[00:20:47] please, honorable deputy, following our..."
[00:20:50] colleague, everyone talks about
[00:20:53] agriculture, we are
[00:20:55] uh
[00:21:00] on
[00:21:03] the
[00:21:20] speak and honorable President, we are talking about the
[00:21:23] diversification of our economy, I think
[00:21:28] agriculture is the most
[00:21:31] important aspect, very good, and I think that we should
[00:21:35] talk about it and we have not made any mention of it
[00:21:38] uh during our session
[00:21:42] today, that's why I would like to raise this concern,
[00:21:46] thank you honorable President, thank you, but I think we all understood that it
[00:21:51] is not an oral question session for the government,
[00:21:55] firstly, and that we are discussing the budgetary
[00:21:58] orientation debate, so if
[00:22:01] he wishes that agricultural issues be taken into account in the framework of the
[00:22:04] budgetary programming, that's what he
[00:22:07] means, so in this case it's noted, well now I
[00:22:11] would like to give the floor to the president of the
[00:22:14] commission who will certainly answer
[00:22:17] quickly, present the
[00:22:20] conclusions.
[00:22:25] You have the
[00:22:25] floor.
[00:22:30] Thank you, honorable
[00:22:32] President, honorable President, in response
[00:22:36] to the observation made by our
[00:22:39] colleague, I would like to refer him to page 15 of our
[00:22:43] report, where the government's action
[00:22:45] program presented in this
[00:22:49] room a little over a month ago is
[00:22:53] included, and in mission,
[00:22:55] mission number 5 of the government, the government
[00:22:59] talks about prioritizing agriculture and
[00:23:02] industry,
[00:23:03] I think that
[00:23:07] our colleague talks about matters of great
[00:23:10] importance, but since the government talks about prioritizing
[00:23:14] agriculture and industry, I think he should find an answer to his
[00:23:17] concern and... uh he had the
[00:23:21] report, I think the debate should open on the basis of the report on
[00:23:24] page 15, he would open a debate on that,
[00:23:28] please, thank you honorable President, and
[00:23:32] in conclusion, what can we say, honorable President? No, the commission is fully
[00:23:36] satisfied
[00:23:37] with
[00:23:40] the elements of response formulated by the
[00:23:44] government, and we believe
[00:23:47] that the opinions and...
[00:23:50] recommendations uh adopted during
[00:23:54] this working
[00:23:55] session should
[00:23:59] not
[00:24:02] suffer any difficulty for them to be taken into account in
[00:24:05] the CBMT, so the definitive medium-term budgetary
[00:24:09] framework, and that the annual tranche
[00:24:12] of 2027
[00:24:16] should reflect what was said
[00:24:19] here. In accordance with article 11 of our financial
[00:24:23] constitution, which is the organic law relating to the State's
[00:24:27] Mr. President.
[00:24:29] Well, for this late intervention
[00:24:32] from the honorable Ganceelle, I think the answer has been given, there's
[00:24:35] no need to ask the Prime Minister, head of government to intervene
[00:24:39] again, I think that is taken into account, please,
[00:24:43] that is taken into account, the answer is therefore
[00:24:46] in the... document,
[00:24:50] so this being said,
[00:24:52] we have reached the end of our
[00:24:56] meeting, of our
[00:25:00] session, and we simply want to remind
[00:25:03] that
[00:25:05] this session, as was
[00:25:09] recalled in the report that was
[00:25:12] read to
[00:25:14] us, fully
[00:25:17] integrates the will of the National Assembly
[00:25:21] to participate in the budget
[00:25:25] elaboration process
[00:25:27] and therefore upstream we discuss with the
[00:25:31] government and we agree on the broad
[00:25:34] orientations that will
[00:25:36] therefore support
[00:25:40] the budget elaboration and in this specific case it concerns
[00:25:43] therefore the medium-term budgetary
[00:25:46] framework 2027.
[00:25:50] 2029,
[00:25:53] so this is the first
[00:25:56] observation, the first thing that we should
[00:25:59] remember,
[00:26:02] secondly, how the National
[00:26:05] Assembly takes note, Mr. Minister, Prime Minister, Head of
[00:26:09] Government, that this debate
[00:26:12] took place
[00:26:15] after the regulatory date of July
[00:26:17] 31st, since
[00:26:20] we understood from your presentation,
[00:26:24] your government was set up in April after
[00:26:28] the President of the
[00:26:31] Republic was elected in March, and therefore between
[00:26:35] April and May 30th, the deadline for submitting the
[00:26:39] document here to the assembly,
[00:26:43] uh
[00:26:45] circumstances meant that the deadline was not met, so we take note of
[00:26:49] that.
[00:26:51] Thirdly,
[00:26:54] overall we have followed the various
[00:27:00] the commission of the honorable
[00:27:02] deputies and we have also followed the
[00:27:05] answers uh proposed by the
[00:27:09] government, so concerns should
[00:27:13] be
[00:27:15] taken into account in the development of the different
[00:27:19] budgets,
[00:27:22] notably 2027 which is approaching and 2028 and
[00:27:25] 2029.
[00:27:28] Important points were raised and recognized
[00:27:31] by the
[00:27:34] water and electricity, it must be taken into account, it is an
[00:27:37] important
[00:27:39] social issue,
[00:27:43] the issue of municipalization, the
[00:27:46] government has recognized
[00:27:49] its importance, and this issue has already been
[00:27:52] the subject of
[00:27:54] directives from the President of the Republic, I think it's a
[00:27:58] good thing because this is an important
[00:28:02] issue. So among the
[00:28:05] concerns, there is the issue of recruitment in the
[00:28:09] civil service, this is one of the points of concern, of
[00:28:13] concerns and we
[00:28:16] hope that this issue will be truly well taken
[00:28:20] into account in the different budgets. Of
[00:28:23] course, the issue of the business climate, this was raised by the
[00:28:27] honorable deputies, the issue of debt also
[00:28:31] internally,
[00:28:33] this was also taken into account, so these are concerns that
[00:28:37] were indeed
[00:28:40] raised by the commission and the
[00:28:43] deputies, and what the National Assembly can
[00:28:46] retain is that for the development of the different
[00:28:49] budgets, these concerns can be taken into account to
[00:28:53] be able to find answers to the
[00:28:55] questions that arise, to the solutions that are
[00:28:58] proposed. Fourthly, the National Assembly
[00:29:02] notes
[00:29:04] the government's will, since it was expressed on May
[00:29:08] 11, 2026,
[00:29:11] to engage in a project to conclude a
[00:29:15] new program with the IMF, and this also
[00:29:18] is something that was raised by the chairman of the
[00:29:22] commission and recognized by the government, and the National
[00:29:25] Assembly therefore notes its
[00:29:28] interest,
[00:29:30] and finally, a question was raised here
[00:29:33] related to the deposit and
[00:29:35] consignment fund,
[00:29:37] the deposit and consignment fund. I would like, we would like
[00:29:41] to reassure the
[00:29:44] government that
[00:29:46] we will deal with this
[00:29:50] issue diligently by ensuring that by the end
[00:29:54] of our session we
[00:29:56] can finally have the report because
[00:30:00] the report had arrived but... just after this
[00:30:03] session we will meet with the president, I announce already with the
[00:30:07] president of the administrative and legal affairs commission, the president of the
[00:30:11] economy and finance commission and the bureau so
[00:30:15] that we can find a
[00:30:16] modus
[00:30:19] operandi that would allow us to indeed
[00:30:23] have a definitive report because there are
[00:30:25] between the government commission certain questions to clarify, so we
[00:30:29] will meet quickly for a few minutes.
[00:30:32] on this question, so that being said, we can
[00:30:36] therefore consider that the budget
[00:30:40] orientation debate which lays the
[00:30:43] foundations of a budgetary inscription process
[00:30:47] for the medium-term budgetary framework
[00:30:51] 2027 and
[00:30:52] 2029 has therefore
[00:30:56] taken place and if everyone agrees