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[00:00:12] responds, as we said, to
[00:01:05] talking about a topic that, of course, has marked the news dynamic in recent
[00:01:08] days. The Brazilian government
[00:01:11] rejected this Tuesday the decision of the United States to
[00:01:14] modify the visa of its ambassador in Washington, Maria Lucia
[00:01:18] Vioti. Brasilia interpreted the
[00:01:20] in Brasilia, act as a political retaliation and denounced a deliberate
[00:01:23] escalation by the White House for ideological reasons and with a clear
[00:01:27] intention to interfere in an electoral process in Brazil.
[00:01:31] From the Executive led by Luis Ignacio Lula da Silva, they described
[00:01:35] the justifications presented by the
[00:01:38] Donald Trump administration as false. We are going to analyze this diplomatic
[00:01:41] pulse of Brazil in the face of pressure
[00:01:45] and threats from Washington, which seeks electoral interference, according to
[00:01:48] analysts, in that South American giant. But before the
[00:01:51] analysis, let me remind you that throughout the day, we polled
[00:01:54] the opinion of our users on social networks. Some of you have
[00:01:58] already participated, however, here is the
[00:02:00] the president of QR code in case you haven't done so that you can participate.
[00:02:03] The question says: The United States revokes the visa of the Brazilian ambassador and
[00:02:07] strains diplomatic relations with the South American giant. What is
[00:02:11] Washington's action responding to? There are the options, we
[00:02:14] invite you now to participate, your opinion is
[00:02:17] important.
[00:02:21] first presidents to
[00:02:25] Let's go immediately to the analysis. I am accompanied at a distance by Roberto
[00:02:28] Gular Meneces, professor of the Institute of International Relations of the
[00:02:39] represents, in diplomatic
[00:02:42] we have then terms, because the country that sends an ambassador first consults
[00:02:46] with the receiving nation of the candidacy before formally
[00:02:50] submitting the request and asking for the agreement to be granted, as it is called
[00:02:54] to its ambassador candidate. The United States, with this, skips that
[00:02:58] procedure. What can be said about all this impasse from a diplomatic
[00:03:01] point of view?
[00:03:04] For Brazil, it
[00:03:07] all the is an aggression against its sovereignty and also its
[00:03:10] independence, because the United States, the Trump
[00:03:13] government, in attempting to impose itself on
[00:03:17] diplomatic considerations, without considering the
[00:03:20] Vienna Convention of 1961
[00:03:23] on diplomatic relations,
[00:03:27] the United States is not respecting
[00:03:31] other difficulties on the Brazilian Brazil. So, on June 1st, Trump went
[00:03:35] on his social network and announced that Daniel
[00:03:39] Pérez would be the new ambassador of the United States
[00:03:42] in Brazil, but as the '61
[00:03:46] put the whole convention states, it is necessary that,
[00:03:50] first, a consultation
[00:03:52] we always aim with process begin with the Brazilian government.
[00:03:55] In this case, it becomes public who the ambassador will be,
[00:03:58] so.
[00:04:11] who severely criticized Washington's stance regarding the sending of its ambassador, demanded treatment of mutual
[00:04:23] does not, the United States did not attach importance to its embassy in Brazil because for a
[00:04:27] year and a half, while in power, they did not send a representative
[00:04:30] here, and now they try to send one and they believe that we have the obligation to accept it on the
[00:04:34] date they want, that is not correct nor possible, we
[00:04:38] want to be treated with respect.
[00:04:42] There was the Brazilian president,
[00:04:45] Roberto, the moment is not a coincidence, it is
[00:04:48] the south, today talking about evident
[00:04:51] that it has been seen in others, Brazil, the United
[00:04:54] States, since it started with its tariff hike against
[00:04:58] Brazil.
[00:05:13] eh support for candidate eh
[00:05:16] Bolsonaro, who is clearly the son of Jair
[00:05:20] Bolsonaro, who is in prison at this moment, under
[00:05:23] house arrest. So
[00:05:26] this house arrest,
[00:05:29] so this pursuit of Trump with
[00:05:33] protagonism is growing and now with this measure
[00:05:36] Trump sending an
[00:05:39] ambassador Daniel Perez. to
[00:05:43] try to get Daniel Perez to take over the embassy
[00:05:47] of Brazil before the
[00:05:49] elections, this could even represent
[00:05:53] that it is used to attack or try to
[00:05:57] influence the Brazilian political
[00:06:00] process, so Brazil
[00:06:03] no ambassador
[00:06:05] will have his credentials before
[00:06:08] the end, before the elections are closed.
[00:06:12] in Brazil, for the end of next October,
[00:06:16] and with that, the progress
[00:06:19] seems to me suspended, so
[00:06:22] Brazil has to be, the Brazilian authorities,
[00:06:25] the different powers, because
[00:06:28] Trump tries somehow
[00:06:32] in Brazil, no doubt, and Brazil has
[00:06:35] commented again that this is part of a
[00:06:38] political retaliation taking into account the proximity of the United States.
[00:06:43] with Yair Bolsonaro and, of course, in the next
[00:06:46] elections, we even saw polls of
[00:06:49] Brazilians saying that
[00:06:52] they blamed the Bolsonaro family for the tariffs
[00:06:55] imposed by the United States government.
[00:06:59] How will Brazil, Roberto, go into these elections,
[00:07:02] taking into account this whole scenario and, of course, the tension,
[00:07:06] not only diplomatic but also commercial, with the United
[00:07:10] States? Unlike
[00:07:13] Francisco, the 2022
[00:07:16] elections are now in power in the United
[00:07:20] States because in 2022 it was
[00:07:22] Biden, and with that Lula was elected
[00:07:26] and it was also a very tense election
[00:07:30] and Biden was one of the
[00:07:33] recognize Lula's victory, immediately after
[00:07:37] about an hour after the elections closed,
[00:07:40] about 40-50 countries
[00:07:43] had already recognized
[00:07:46] Lula as the president-elect of
[00:07:50] Brazil, this includes the seven G7
[00:07:53] countries, and with that, even in addition
[00:07:57] to the G7, China, and with
[00:08:00] that, we then had other
[00:08:04] attacks on democracy in Brazil
[00:08:07] which resulted in an attempted coup
[00:08:11] d'état
[00:08:13] on January 8, 2023, and
[00:08:17] now with
[00:08:20] difficulty we had in 2022, now
[00:08:23] this can also have another clear
[00:08:26] element, which is the Trump government, because Trump has already
[00:08:30] declared his support
[00:08:33] for candidate Flavio Bolsonaro,
[00:08:36] and with that, Trump
[00:08:39] can even try to impose
[00:08:44] government by the upcoming
[00:08:47] elections in October, so Brazil is on
[00:08:51] alert, the Brazilian government, the electoral
[00:08:54] authorities also, because we know that
[00:08:57] the United States has resources, has means to
[00:09:01] influence the political process in some
[00:09:04] way, and with that
[00:09:07] is the big difference between
[00:09:10] 2022
[00:09:13] and now is that Trump is
[00:09:15] determined to follow closely
[00:09:19] and can also make some
[00:09:21] movements or some actions that
[00:09:24] can make the Brazilian political
[00:09:28] process difficult, as you said, there is an alert, and President
[00:09:32] Luis Ignacio Lula da Silva said precisely that the state
[00:09:36] must be prepared to face any
[00:09:39] threat of foreign interference against the electoral process, let's go...
[00:09:48] Brazil is not only prepared but also will face anyone
[00:09:52] from outside who wants to interfere in our electoral process. There is something
[00:09:56] that needs to be made clear, I have said many times that I spoke with President
[00:09:59] Trump, that we are two men, there is something that needs
[00:10:02] to be made clear, I have said many times that I spoke with President Trump, that
[00:10:06] we are two men, many of President Javier
[00:10:09] Miley, what can be said about this situation and how it is affecting
[00:10:12] diplomatic relations between both countries?
[00:10:16] Yes, Francisco, since he started his government,
[00:10:19] Milei has not held any meeting with
[00:10:22] Lula, and he also attacks
[00:10:26] the Brazilian government and Brazil whenever
[00:10:30] he can. And now President Lula,
[00:10:33] when Miley first attacked him when he was here in
[00:10:37] Brazilian territory, like 10 days ago,
[00:10:41] in Brazilian territory, he launched many attacks against the
[00:10:44] government, against President Lula, against the judicial
[00:10:48] authorities, and against other Brazilian authorities.
[00:10:51] And the Brazilian government presented
[00:10:55] a protest to the
[00:10:57] Argentine ambassador in Brazil, but
[00:11:01] after a couple of days,
[00:11:04] Miley attacked President
[00:11:08] Lula again, the authorities, and
[00:11:11] even said that Brazil has an orchestrated
[00:11:14] campaign against Argentina. And for this
[00:11:18] reason, the Brazilian government took an unprecedented
[00:11:21] measure in relation to Argentina,
[00:11:24] with whom Brazil has a strategic
[00:11:28] partnership, but at this
[00:11:31] moment, by downgrading its relations with
[00:11:35] Argentina, this implies that the
[00:11:38] Argentine ambassador in Brazil has to return to
[00:11:41] Argentina. The Brazilian ambassador, who is already
[00:11:45] will not return to Buenos
[00:11:48] Aires for now, so
[00:11:51] relations between Brazil and Argentina are
[00:11:55] restricted to trade and economy,
[00:11:58] which is very bad for us, for both Brazil
[00:12:02] and Argentina, but Brazil has to take
[00:12:05] some action to demand respect from Milei,
[00:12:09] because Milei has
[00:12:12] a way of conducting relations
[00:12:15] between the two countries that is purely
[00:12:19] ideological, and that also by
[00:12:22] disrespecting
[00:12:25] the republic, he is disrespecting
[00:12:28] Brazil. And with
[00:12:30] that, Brazil
[00:12:32] does not want to completely sacrifice its relations
[00:12:36] with Argentina, but it also does not
[00:12:40] have to allow something like that.
[00:12:43] Without a doubt, we are very attentive to this entire scenario and taking into account, as
[00:12:47] we said, a sensitive moment
[00:12:49] for democracy in Brazil, upcoming elections in this
[00:12:53] Latin American country, Roberto.
[00:13:07] part of the analysis
[00:13:11] regarding this whole issue. I remind the audience that you have time to
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[00:13:22] short break and we are going to invite our guest Roberto to stay
[00:13:25] with us to continue. even on this issue with Argentina and what this represents for both countries. We'll be right back.
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[00:15:09] Thank you for following us in the world from
[00:15:13] the situation, the diplomatic
[00:15:15] impasse between Brazil and the United States, but also about
[00:15:19] Argentina, because the diplomatic fracture between both
[00:15:22] countries, after the insults received by
[00:15:26] President Luis Ignacio Lula da Silva, from his
[00:15:29] Argentine counterpart Javier Milei, the Brazilian Foreign Ministry announced the
[00:15:32] withdrawal of its ambassador Julio Vitelli in Buenos Aires.
[00:15:36] Brazil decides to escalate diplomatic tension, limiting its
[00:15:39] representation to the commercial sphere, reducing the
[00:15:43] link to the level of chargé d'affaires. The measure of the Brazilian
[00:15:46] Ministry of Foreign Relations
[00:15:50] repeated verbal attacks, the political
[00:15:52] support of President Javier Milei for the Brazilian
[00:15:56] opposition, who also referred to Lula as a thief, as a
[00:16:00] corrupt person, something that has obviously been categorically rejected
[00:16:02] by Brazil. The Argentine Foreign Ministry
[00:16:06] describes the decision as unilateral and lamented that
[00:16:09] Brazil is isolating itself for ideological reasons,
[00:16:12] arguing that bilateral relations should not be
[00:16:16] subject to political or personal interests of rulers,
[00:16:19] said Argentina regarding this whole
[00:16:23] issue, contrary to what Javier Milei
[00:16:26] commented at the time about the Argentine president and all the
[00:16:29] improprieties he made towards
[00:16:32] the Brazilian ruler, it is
[00:16:45] Meneces, professor of the Institute of International Relations of the University of Brasilia,
[00:16:49] let's talk precisely about this. You already told me something, but
[00:16:53] I wanted to go into a little more detail because this diplomatic
[00:16:56] crisis between Brazil and Argentina reaches unprecedented
[00:17:00] levels, not since the return of democracy, both for Argentina and
[00:17:03] Brazil, but it is an issue that we said goes beyond diplomacy, it has
[00:17:08] to do with commerce, security, other issues that can also
[00:17:11] affect the continent. How do you see the impact also for the entire
[00:17:14] region, because this is obviously unprecedented? Yes, Francisco,
[00:17:18] because since December
[00:17:21] 2023, he has lived with Javier
[00:17:24] Melley and seeks to conduct relations from
[00:17:28] the Brazilian state with the Argentine state,
[00:17:31] but with the economic crisis in Argentina,
[00:17:35] the Brazilian government also continued working
[00:17:38] as much as possible through a very strong
[00:17:42] pragmatism with the Argentine authorities,
[00:17:45] and in the most recent period
[00:17:48] we had the signing of the Mercosur-European
[00:17:52] Union agreement, so for Mercosur it is very important
[00:17:56] that it be united, that it be cohesive to be able
[00:17:59] to continue negotiating, working with
[00:18:03] the European Union, but the fact is that Javier
[00:18:06] Milei recently announced an individual
[00:18:09] agreement of his country with the United States, and Lula
[00:18:13] at the last Mercosur summit now at the
[00:18:17] inauguration asked that Mercosur
[00:18:21] countries begin negotiations with
[00:18:24] China, so this
[00:18:28] stance by Javier Milei does complicate the
[00:18:31] smooth functioning of Mercosur. This
[00:18:34] is also reflected in the recent economic
[00:18:37] relations between Brazil and
[00:18:40] Argentina, because this year, in the first half of
[00:18:44] 2026, Brasilia has already
[00:18:47] decreased its exports to
[00:18:50] Argentina by about 20%, from
[00:18:54] 9 billion dollars to
[00:18:56] 7.8 billion dollars, and Argentina
[00:18:59] maintains about 6.4
[00:19:03] million dollars
[00:19:06] in exports to Brazil. So Mercosur
[00:19:10] is fundamental for Argentina and the Brazilian market
[00:19:13] too, and with that, Milei, by
[00:19:17] trying to create more difficulties in Brazil-Argentina
[00:19:20] relations, can
[00:19:24] of Brazil's relations with Argentina
[00:19:27] in difficulty, and with that, harm
[00:19:31] economic sectors in Argentina,
[00:19:34] also harm the automotive sector
[00:19:38] between Brazil and Argentina, which is very important, and with that
[00:19:41] also end up making it difficult, for example, for
[00:19:45] extra-bloc relations like with Singapore,
[00:19:48] with South Korea, like with India,
[00:19:51] with Canada. So it is a very difficult moment
[00:19:54] for Brazil-Argentina relations, and this cannot
[00:19:58] but reflect on
[00:20:01] Mercosur. So for Brazil,
[00:20:05] it has reached a point
[00:20:08] that is not yet the final limit, but it
[00:20:11] offends Brazil, so it is necessary
[00:20:15] that Argentina resume
[00:20:18] a normal course of diplomatic relations
[00:20:21] with Brazil, because Brazil did not
[00:20:25] attack Argentina, and Brazil
[00:20:28] continues to support, for example, Argentina's claim
[00:20:32] for the Falkland Islands, and
[00:20:35] even the Brazilian government recently spoke about
[00:20:39] this issue, so it is very difficult
[00:20:42] to understand that Javier Milei has
[00:20:45] some difficulty in
[00:20:48] understanding that Mercosur is fundamental
[00:20:52] for Argentina, and even more so at this moment
[00:20:55] when it remains difficult with a very
[00:20:58] difficult economy in his country. Without a doubt, and
[00:21:02] Luis Ignacio Lula da Silva said to
[00:21:05] leave ideologies aside regarding the Mercosur issue, at a
[00:21:09] moment, as we said, which is also an important commercial fact. Brazil
[00:21:12] maintains, but the Argentine government, Roberto, disregarded
[00:21:16] the diplomatic tension with Brazil after Brasilia's decision
[00:21:20] to withdraw its ambassador and to reduce diplomatic
[00:21:23] representation to chargés d'affaires. Argentine Foreign
[00:21:27] Minister Pablo Kirno refused to apologize
[00:21:30] for the epithets uttered by Javier
[00:21:34] Milei against Luis Ignacio Lula da Silva and called the Brazilian
[00:21:37] measure a unilateral decision based on ideological
[00:21:41] differences, accusing the president of that country of having
[00:21:44] supposedly verbally attacked and previously interfered
[00:21:48] in Argentine internal politics. I also ask you about this
[00:21:52] because it is contradictory that Javier Milei, who has of
[00:21:55] course openly shown support for the opposition
[00:21:58] in Brazil, now through his government
[00:22:01] issues this statement. What to
[00:22:05] say about this
[00:22:06] also?
[00:22:09] Even Francisco, this highlight is important
[00:22:13] because in Brazil's case, the Lula
[00:22:15] government, President Lula, left the Ministry of
[00:22:19] Foreign Affairs in charge of dealing with this
[00:22:22] matter directly with the Argentine Chancellery.
[00:22:24] In Milei's case, since he was the president who
[00:22:28] made the insults against Lula, now the
[00:22:32] Chancellor not only reaffirms that Milei spoke, but also
[00:22:35] accuses Brazil of having provoked the
[00:22:39] Milei government. Brazil did not provoke Milei, President Lula did not provoke
[00:22:43] and also because Milei
[00:22:46] has a summit that is scheduled.
[00:22:50] The far-right of Latin America in
[00:22:54] Buenos Aires, so this also, it seems to me that there are
[00:22:57] some relations that the idea that given the
[00:23:01] geopolitical importance of Brazil in South
[00:23:04] America and given the geopolitical importance of
[00:23:07] Brazil, for example, and another in BRICS and other parts
[00:23:11] of other agreements in the world, Argentina
[00:23:14] then seeks to gather
[00:23:17] in Buenos Aires
[00:23:21] far-right leaders so that they can also
[00:23:24] express their support for candidate Flavio
[00:23:27] Bolsonaro. This is legitimate, but this idea of Milei
[00:23:31] trying to confuse things and also public
[00:23:35] opinion, even because when Milei attacked
[00:23:38] Lula for the first time about 15 days
[00:23:41] ago, the Argentine press also criticized
[00:23:45] the autonomous city of Buenos Aires.
[00:23:49] And with that, Milei tries
[00:23:52] to invert things and it is very clear
[00:23:56] that Brazil does not want to create more facts, more
[00:24:00] difficulty in relations with Argentina, but
[00:24:03] Lula
[00:24:06] said when Milei apologized in relations with Argentina, but Lula
[00:24:10] said when Milei apologized
[00:24:14] in relations with Argentina, but Lula
[00:24:16] said when Milei apologized.
[00:24:20] eh eh eh eh declaring that Brazil is
[00:24:23] orchestrating an informative
[00:24:51] the visa of the Brazilian ambassador and strains diplomatic relations
[00:24:54] with the South American giant. What is this
[00:24:57] action by Washington responding to? 75% of users
[00:25:01] say a clear intention of electoral interference in
[00:25:05] Brazil, with 20%, some
[00:25:08] say disrespect for Brazilian sovereignty, as Roberto
[00:25:11] mentioned, and with 5% political
[00:25:15] retaliation for ideological
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